This time they will finish off: Russia will not survive the second “perestroika”


Recently in the West, something too painfully suspiciously revived conversations on the topic "the need for change in Russia." Combined with an even more suspicious intensification of the domestic “opposition” in the country and really negative moods in the country, this leads to very specific conclusions.


Too much testifies to the fact that a new “perestroika” is being prepared for our Motherland, in general, according to the patterns of the 80s of the last century, but, naturally, adjusted for today's realities. They are trying to push Russia onto the very suicidal path that the Soviet Union once took, the path that brought him not “renewal” or “acceleration,” but death and collapse. Such assumptions are not conspiracy theories, but have more than real grounds in the form of reliable facts.

The return of the "style icon"


Strictly speaking, the mere fact that "the father of perestroika," and, accordingly, the main culprit of the collapse of the USSR, Mikhail Gorbachev suddenly "emerged" from his political and media non-existence, which speaks volumes. No, of course, you can write off a bunch of interviews that recently the “last secretary general” began to distribute to the Western media right and left, exclusively by the thirtieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the ensuing events. However, this is unlikely to be correct. In his outpourings, Mikhail Sergeyevich does not so much indulge in memories (which is typical, absolutely not recognizing any mistakes!), How much he tries to “turn the arrows” to current realities, and even undertakes to make “diagnoses”, announce “recipes” and climb with tips! What is the use and damage, to explain, I think, is not necessary. What can this “figure” advise, which, as numerous opinion polls show, the vast majority of our compatriots - former citizens of the USSR, would strangle with their own hands with voluptuous pleasure? In any case, every fourth considers himself the “victims of perestroika” in Russia today, if I am not mistaken ...

Here Gorbachev also advises - in his own corporate identity. He complains that “there is a“ chilled war ”between Russia and the West and immediately calls on“ all the peoples of the world ”to immediately“ get rid of nuclear weapons ”. To the White House with such ideas! But we definitely shouldn’t disarm now - they were already disarmed in the 90s under the "strict guidance" of this very "clever man" and his ideological followers according to, if it was amiss, to "new thinking." However, all right, the “chief perestroika” would have climbed only into questions of the external policy. No, he is itching to teach the leadership and people of Russia, claiming "the need for change in the country", again mumbling something about "democratization and modernization." Great again ... As far as we know, he even managed to get a new little book on this subject - something about the "future of the global world". And it threatens all of us with “inertia, stagnation, political apathy” in the event that “the issue of the succession of power is not resolved,” and “political processes and decisions will continue to be confined to one person.” Well, who exactly is meant is understandable. At the same time, Mikhail Sergeyevich also lacks shame to clarify that the “reforms” in Russia, they say, “should take place without chaos and destabilization”. And where were you, so smart ?! That in 1986, that in 1991 ... No, your will, but repeated replication of the hypocritical ideas of this Judah and the destroyer, which the media of the West are so keen on today, from the Russian Air Force service to Figaro and Der Spiegel, is all for good reason .

In the West - delight and anticipation


However, the provision of the “tribune” of the pro-mothballed leader of the USSR to the pro-mothballed leader of the USSR is, of course, not limited there. In fact, publications devoted to our country in the main media of the West in recent years can be clearly divided into three categories. First of all, those that tell about the terrible “Russian threat”. This is difficult. The authors have to simultaneously intimidate the audience and not forget that "Russia is a weak, undeveloped country." Well, get out as they can. For example, The Telegraph finds a way out of the situation, quoting the words of General Nick Carter that “treacherously trying to destroy the Western way of life” Russians do not dare to fight openly, but they are so “reckless" that they can cause a world war " unintentionally. " Great logic! However, in the publications of the second category under consideration it is even less. After all, they are mainly devoted to the argument that economy Russia is “stagnating”, the level of development is “rapidly falling” (if reality corresponded to these considerations, we would have lived in the Stone Age), and in the “bright future”, freed from “energy dependence”, our country will fully expect kirdyk. In any case, the same Financial Times categorically asserts: “Russia can repeat the fate of the USSR!” All you have to do is take away from her “oil and gas revenues” ...

All this, frankly, has long been familiar and familiar. Well, except that estimates have recently become more categorical, and "forecasts" - more apocalyptic. However, now we are most interested in that category of creativity of Western colleagues, which is devoted to "the formation of the protest movement in Russia." This is where the local media write, talk and film a lot and with pleasure. The Atlantic Council is particularly close to the theme of Russian youth, which "gets out of the control of the Kremlin and begins to create its own political identity!" What a joy! The Americans are just delighted to relish statistics that testify to the large number of young people and adolescents among participants in the summer Moscow protests. True, at the same time they manage to “pierce”, quoting the statements of these same “Protestants”, perfectly demonstrating the level of intelligence of this, God forbid, “future country”. The very one who is indignant today: “the authorities do not want to let anyone in”, “they think only of themselves, but they put it on the common people” ... Well, Marat and Robespierre. At least ... These wretched statements, however, do not in the least prevent the authors of the publication from expressing their ardent hope that it is “Russian youth ... with their openness and fearlessness, that can play a key role in the political changes in Russia ... "That is, they plan to drive children to future Maidan. They just can't wait in the West - when will they start ?!

"Liberators" on the march


It should be noted that our domestic “opposition” has lately been displaying outstanding agility and activity. "Program activities" follow one after another. True, for some reason they are held away from their native aspens. Obviously, closer to the sponsors ... The Nemtsov Forum, for example, was recently held in Warsaw. There Navalny turned out to be a recognized "star", boasting to everyone and everyone that he was justly recognized as a foreign agent of FBK, he would still drink blood to the "authorities", and it was not without reason that he was "afraid of Putin." Well, according to Navalny ... However, the main thing at this gathering was not traditional self-praise, but "the development of new struggle strategies." Alas, from the Moscow events, this company concluded: "the government makes concessions if it is pressed." This is what they are going to do, arranging new provocations in order to provoke “tragic plots with protesters” and thus compromise the state even in the eyes of “political apathetic people.” In a word, more blood and everything will be OK! Also, the Russians, who, in the words of Navalny himself, intend to “influence through the economy”, intend to “influence through the economy” the Russians who do not want to join the “revolutionary system”. That is, continue to tell them how poorly they live now and how satisfying and warm they will be under the wise guidance of the West. What is unpleasantly annoying regarding the Warsaw gathering is not just the participation of Polish officials, including the head of the Foreign Ministry there, Jacek Chaputovic, but his speech, in which, drawing parallels, again with the “perestroika” 80s, significantly declared: “It is possible that in Russia the changes are much closer than they seem ...” Warsaw clearly wants to light a fire in our country to the skies. The desire, one might say, age-old, primordial. Now nobody just hides it.

The second similar “gangway” - “Forum of free Russia” was held in another capital, “friendly” to us, Vilnius. There, by the way, the audience gathered more generously. In addition to trying to make themselves “shake hands” and sane politicians Kasparov and Ponomarev, the Sabbath was decorated with the presence of the most inveterate Russophobes, such as Babchenko, Mujabaev and even Sentsov. The latter, by the way, with all the fervor convinced the audience that there was nothing to play in “non-violent revolutions”. Tires need to be burned! And then, obviously, in the classics: “take everything and share” ... Well, judging by the fact that Mr. Kasparov said that “someday this forum will gather in Russia and will be called the Constituent Assembly”, ambitions and the appetites there are just colossal. By the way, with great enthusiasm the audience once again welcomed the anti-Russian economic sanctions and even took part in the flash mob “Stop! Nord Stream 2, calling for a ban on the pipeline. True patriots, there’s nowhere to put stigmas ... One way or another, but the West today is betting on them. Russia will be pushed by all means towards a new "perestroika" and "democratization." Generally speaking, there are two ways here: either by exerting extremely harsh pressure on the Kremlin to achieve the penetration into power of the above-mentioned characters by legal means, through elections, after which they will launch the necessary processes. Or, again and again, trying to tense the situation in the country to the limit, to ensure the transfer of the same power to all the same "opposition" in any other way, up to violent. The end result from the ways to achieve it, in fact, does not change - here that is about the stump, that we kick about the owl. The main thing is to start the process of the collapse of the country.

This time they will finish


And the fact that it is precisely the destruction of Russia, as a sovereign state, is absolutely not to be doubted. The West, if it presents itself with such an opportunity, will not repeat its past mistakes in any case. Then, in fact, the gentlemen from the "civilized world" miscalculated in one thing: based on their eternal disregard for Russia and the Russians, on a constant underestimation of the potential of our country and people, they considered that it would be enough to tear off the Union republics from Moscow with a subsequent transformation them into anti-Russian projects. With the further disintegration of Russia itself, one can wait. Regarding whether such plans were hatched, there can be no two opinions. Too much evidence has surfaced, including recently. On the other hand, the Yeltsin "team of reformers" took up the task of destroying the state so zealously and on such a scale that the customers of the "perestroika" decided that it would do so, so far it was not worth interfering. The project on the final dismemberment of what was left, the beginning of which was supposed to be Chechnya, was launched with a delay that was enough for Putin to come to power to disrupt its implementation. And subsequently - and to reverse all the destructive processes that nearly ruined the country. He managed, according to many experts, literally at the very last moment. A little more, and there would simply be nothing to save.

This time you can be sure that in the event of a “change in the political system” in Russia, the beginning of processes similar to those that preceded the collapse of the USSR and accompanied it, the West will act in a completely different way. Much sharper and tougher, first of all. The division of our homeland into "specific principalities" will be the first step. Next is the complete destruction of the Russian military-industrial complex, which today scares NATO to hiccups. “Disarmament” will be compulsory and complete, up to the destruction of the last training ground, the last gun factory in Tula or Izhevsk. However, the same fate will befall all other industries. Neither science, nor industry, nor culture, nor education will leave us anything. Nothing that in the future, even theoretically, could become a support for again trying to rise to the feet of the "Russian colossus" hated by the West. Everything will begin, possibly again with “publicity” and “acceleration,” but it will end in utter ruin and scorched earth. If someone thinks that in Washington, London, and Brussels they just dream of getting rid of the “evil” and damn intractable Putin in order to put someone more acceptable to the Kremlin for themselves, then he is deeply mistaken. Once they have already done so there. And how did it end? That's it, Putin ended ... This time, I think, the Kremlin will try to demolish it to the base, and not change anyone there. For the sake of lesser things, the West simply would not have started all that is now being planned. Russia is too big for the West, too dangerous. This is not Georgia, not Ukraine and not even Belarus. This time they will not take prisoners. They will destroy ...

Yes, life in today's Russia is perhaps far from perfect. There are no milk rivers with sweet sides, and indeed ... Yes, power is wrong, rude and even soulless (as, indeed, everywhere in the world). Yes, many people want “changes” - it doesn’t matter what specifically, but to be sure “for the better.” This is normal. Here are just once on this our desire has already been played. It was he who was used as a force that destroyed our country and broke the lives of millions of people. Is it worth repeating the mistake? Especially when you consider that this time its price will be even worse.
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  1. Jar.serge Offline Jar.serge
    Jar.serge (Reznik) 15 November 2019 08: 45
    +4
    It is time for the authorities to draw conclusions, at least from the deplorable end of the Russian Empire .....
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 11: 52
      -7
      For 60 years, the CPSU, the military and the military-industrial complex lied to us, and they are lying now, claiming that as soon as we weaken, the evil Americans will take our oil and gas, ores and forests, but in fact, when the USSR collapsed, no one captured us, they did not even disarm us , but it was necessary to dispose of all nuclear missiles! All the wealth of the people safely fell into the hands of home-grown "legal thieves" (they didn't even need an invasion, they carried out a complete rout in the country).
      Today in the Kremlin they again suffer from scabies, have again surrounded themselves with enemies and again lie to the peoples of Russia that the evil uncle wants to seize all the "national" wealth that does not belong to the people!
      1. Vadim_4 Offline Vadim_4
        Vadim_4 (Vadim) 15 November 2019 16: 07
        +2
        Why did you lie? The Americans shook the economy of the Union, then collapsed. Then they almost destroyed the Russian economy. Money from the sale of resources went west through local oligarchs on a massive scale. Profit from the sale went to the owners. So far, Putin has not forced them to share, and until the state bought controlling stakes.
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 16: 55
          -15 qualifying.
          What nonsense! You can tell this to the youngsters who did not find that time. The Union itself drove itself into an economic hole by butting with the Western world! All kinds of "brothers", where the overwhelming majority were just dodgers, savages and cannibals, siphoned off the bulk of the country's resources, in fact, the KGB carried cash bucks in suitcases to savage countries to support their trousers (which were stolen), and the navy brought them weapons to maintain wars, and all this due to the fact that the regime robbed the peoples of the USSR! The Afghan adventure has driven a nail into the coffin of the USSR!
          A separate topic is the collapse of the Russian economy. Here, too, the main characters were home-grown thieves who took over all state assets, subsoil, financial resources. Blaming the West for this is completely absurd; it makes no difference to them who to buy from. And in the West it is more reliable to store the stolen than in the East, let them try to store the stolen goods in China, in Thailand or in another country, there they will definitely remain without the stolen and even without a head.
          And finally, and who has been ruling thieves' streams for more than 20 years?
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 15 November 2019 20: 07
            +5
            You yourself tell your youngsters to youngsters, you post such turbidity here, and you think that you lived and existed at that time? I did not guess, and call my feelings yours, analytics and generalization - well, obviously not your hobby)))
            1. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 20: 14
              -9
              You yourself contradict the real facts. Has Putin recently written off foreign debts for almost 200 lard greens the other day? This is part of what they stole from the peoples of the USSR and presented to savages in the form of weapons, ammunition, equipment and other things! And how much living money did the savages give, but different equipment ...? So go ahead and tell your tales further about the enemy conspiracy and evil amers!
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 15 November 2019 20: 30
                +3
                When they gave them to the savages, as you wrote here - you sat and didn’t even dare to mumble, but then you got up the courage - nothing that what Africa was written off could only be obtained with a layer of earth at best, and that’s not a fact, it’s still NOT black soil - so stop lying to you! And whoever wrote about "stupid"))))
                1. Sake Offline Sake
                  Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 21: 06
                  -7
                  There is a name for such dreamers - "fabulous d ...", no offense, of course. In Russia there is not enough land, African land is still needed, with or without blacks? In Russia there are not enough hands, or rather, they are, but they grow from ...!
                  1. ss29 Offline ss29
                    ss29 16 November 2019 02: 28
                    0
                    I agree in many respects, but do not forget that many want to cash in on the neighbor’s grief, after all, the USA is not an altruist country and carries democracy selectively.
                    1. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
                      S.V.YU 16 November 2019 09: 17
                      +4
                      DO NOT discuss with him! This is an ordinary Troll!
                      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 12: 50
                        +1
                        Nah - he's ykp ordinary. wink
                    2. Sake Offline Sake
                      Sake (Sake) 16 November 2019 10: 09
                      -6
                      There is no heaven on Earth, I agree, and the United States is a very tough trading partner and this must also be borne in mind. But that's what the head is on the shoulders, so as not to be deceived or robbed. But as we have seen in the last 18 years, they have given Russia money that would otherwise have been impossible to earn. I mean the period of high oil prices (up to $ 140 per barrel), in addition, during the financial crisis of 08-09, they (the West) helped the Russian Federation, did not allow the collapse, but since 2014, the United States has collapsed oil prices, with what would it be? There was no crisis of oil overproduction, there were no other preconditions on a global scale ... and the whole reason is that Russia went its usual way, to robbery, to seize someone else's, began to support terrorist dictators, or simply Russia began to fool around, play "mad Ivan "as the submariners say"! Ponty alone drove the people and the country into a problematic situation.
                      1. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 16 November 2019 10: 40
                        +3
                        ... There was no crisis of the overproduction of oil, there were no other prerequisites on a global scale ... and the whole reason is that Russia went its usual way, to robbery, to capture someone else's, began to support terrorist dictators ...

                        - after this your opus, you can already read nothing at all from you, learn the materiel) - the capture of someone else's, dictators are terrorists)))))
                      2. Sake Offline Sake
                        Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 20: 51
                        -5
                        If you are so clumsy and it doesn’t reach you that high oil prices are the opportunity to earn that the Americans gave the Russian Federation, but in the Kremlin they considered it to be their merits, what a stupid mistake! Falling prices and keeping them on a low bar is also the work of amers, they can punish them for rudeness, Vovan is not able to control these processes, his pants are short, as you wisely!
                      3. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 17 November 2019 21: 01
                        +1
                        First of all, you’ll pay attention to your own mind, you’re not able to really connect two words, but you scribble posts a lot, however, it makes sense not just with a microscope, you won’t find a telescope, but that doesn’t bother you))
                      4. Sake Offline Sake
                        Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 11: 21
                        -1
                        Of course, people like you can hardly distinguish between opportunities and missed opportunities!
                      5. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 18 November 2019 11: 25
                        0
                        When you write that the Americans gave the opportunity to earn money, it is immediately obvious that you "understand" this)
                        "Xsperd" you, though not ours)
              2. anchutka Offline anchutka
                anchutka (Georg (GOGA)) 17 November 2019 00: 58
                +3
                The United States carries its dermocracy with great blood and with bombs and bullets, and this is all Russia went their usual way, to robbery, to capture someone else's, began to support terrorist dictators ... Russia went their own way, but not a centimeter of foreign land I didn’t grab it, moreover, I didn’t even intend to step on a foreign land with my foot.
              3. Sake Offline Sake
                Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 20: 55
                -5
                Are you a weird eccentric? You ask what happiness cosmonauts brought from the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria, which leveled all cities and villages in Syria, except Damascus! Just do not tell that the astronauts have fallen for the fight against the Islamists, this is a falsified FALSE, one dictator has pinned to bail out another and nothing more! These falconers will be judged as war criminals!
              4. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 17 November 2019 21: 17
                0
                Are you going to judge something?
            2. gunS Offline gunS
              gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 41
              -3
              Quote: anchutka
              The United States carries its crap out of blood and with bombs and bullets.

              Read the manuals of the instructor of the district committee?
              Hangs on a nail in a wooden birdhouse, and read it while doing "important business"?

              Quote: anchutka
              Russia went its usual way.

              What if not a secret?
        2. gunS Offline gunS
          gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 37
          -2
          Quote: ss29
          ... after all, the USA is not an altruist country and carries democracy selectively.

          The USA does not carry anywhere democracy and is not going to carry.
          Democracy is one of the forms of the capitalist mode of production that occurs in bourgeois society. Since human society under normal conditions is prone to development (but is also capable of forced degradation, as the experience of "socialist countries" shows), countries with a slave-owning mode of production are sooner or later replaced by countries with a feudal mode of production. And countries with a feudal mode of production sooner or later grow to the level of countries with a capitalist mode of production. And then countries are already developing within this CEF (human society does not yet know a higher CEF), which also has a number of stages (phases of development).
      2. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 16 November 2019 04: 41
        +1
        What your name really is, it's impossible to write here.
        A couple of times you read THAT they wrote to you about the African land, maybe you will understand, but it seems unlikely)))
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        2. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 11: 27
          0
          There, in this Africa, on the "newly acquired" lands they will eat you, PMCs and other "advisers", like a couple of hundred years before the white colonialists! Now think about what Russia can give these same Africans? And at the same time Siberia is on the way out, try to guess which territory is bigger - the Central African Republic or Siberia? So that's it.
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 18 November 2019 15: 43
            +1
            I don’t know how many times you read everything already written, but I see that you don’t understand anything - it happens, I can sympathize with you, there’s nothing to help you with - learn the materiel)
  2. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
    unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 01: 40
    +4
    Oh, damn it ... again these tales about "written off debts". Nothing that with the same Africa contracts were concluded for a greater amount than the total written off debt? And so, in general, it goes everywhere - debts are counted towards preferences, the priority of resource supplies, concessions, contracts and much more. It was the USSR that could forgive debts - now it is just a fashionable cartoon, which the underdeveloped opponents are trying to trump. And they are believed, because the media diligently pick up the news.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 16 November 2019 04: 42
      +2
      Yes, these "writers" still need to find out, the level of intelligence there - well, such a "off scale, set of manuals and, of course, with what main bias - the mustache is gone ...
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    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 16 November 2019 10: 22
      -4
      That's when you have your money, then write off debts, no matter how much! But one peasant cannot single-handedly write off people's money, these funds are stolen from the people! So, do not muddy.
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 16 November 2019 10: 35
        +2
        In your profile about Kazakhstan it is written, what side of the Russian Federation catches you?)
        I repeat once again, especially for you - when they gave this money - under Khrushchev, under Brezhnev, you sat like a mouse under a broom, but now you’ve split up - well, well, publicity, democracy ...
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 21: 02
          -3
          But because there were all troubles from you in the former expanse of that country, there was a famine from you in Ukraine, Kazakhstan, the Volga region, and from you today there is all instability along the perimeter of the West and South. You cannot be trusted, such provocateurs must be localized and morally isolated from normal people in the early stages! You have been the main source of instability in the past 20 to 25 years!
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 17 November 2019 21: 07
            +1
            At least read on the wiki what a perimeter is and how it can be West, South ??)))
          2. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 17 November 2019 22: 00
            0
            It is your trust that is more likely to frighten, well, at least, it is alarming - so we will definitely do without your trust)
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    3. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 43
      -1
      Quote: unholyknight
      Nothing that with the same Africa, contracts were concluded for a larger amount than the total debt written off?

      Well, for starters, this is a lie.
      Also, what does "contract value" have to do with "debt"?

      Quote: unholyknight
      And so, in general, everything goes everywhere - debts come at the expense of preferences, priority of supply of resources, concessions, contracts and much more.

      You need to watch less TV. You won’t look so funny.
  3. Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 16 November 2019 08: 21
    +2
    The Chinese (investing in Africa) are undoubtedly more sovereign and pragmatic than collaborators from Moscow, you can simply invest with different results (quality of the System).
  • Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 16 November 2019 08: 19
    +2
    Insults are not arguments, but lack of education, so don’t be lazy - work ..
  • A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 12: 50
    0
    He did not live in those days - all his cries are licked from MODERN manuals. Then they did not throw such words and there was a completely different vocabulary. And yes, he does not fight - ykr ordinary (even by his vocabulary it can be determined).
  • horhe48 Offline horhe48
    horhe48 (Prokudin Georgy Gennadievich) 16 November 2019 08: 02
    +4
    So you, my dear, no longer need to "agitate". You are already fully prepared to accept the "gifts of Western democracy." Well, if you are so unbearable here, then pack up your belongings - and go. Perhaps there, behind the hill, you will finally be made happy, although not a fact. What value can you be to the "liberals" there? The fact, however, is that if you look globally, now, with an increase in population and a decrease in both vital resources (fertile soil, water, minerals), there comes a time when everyone (perhaps except you) has become clear that everyone is already missing, and it will be even worse. And the so-called "American Dream" is a carrot in front of a donkey's nose, which is being driven into the abyss. The Anglo-Saxons have already realized this and began to destroy the so-called "golden billion" from within. The so-called "Brexit" is not an accident, but a meaningful and controlled action. For the sake of PAH AMERIKANA, Trump is ready to destroy all alliances and treaties, including the EU. And as the analyst and thinker of the Anglo-Saxon "West" Z. Brzezinski used to say, the new world order will be built against Russia and at its expense. So, the fate of our country in their design - design is unenviable. If this inspires you, then most of the country does not see any sense and perspective in collective suicide. Another thing is that if the country's top leadership understands that it is necessary to change the internal economic situation, but does not take the necessary decisive steps for this, then, figuratively speaking, it "cuts the branch on which it sits."
    1. Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 16 November 2019 09: 16
      0
      They were put on a "branch" that was sawed off long ago, right after Lenin's death, since In the information era, the method of processing and synthesizing information dominates, and the "ball" ones were doomed from the very beginning (without a Leader, adequate to the challenge of the era).
    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 16 November 2019 10: 30
      -5
      You clearly remind one of the crowd of protesters, sitting for years on the mound and waiting for a conditional signal from Moscow. The thing bag is ready, goodbye to the family, the children in the orphanage, and the wife on the collective farm field. Great feats await us, our cause is just ...
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 16 November 2019 10: 41
        +2
        Personally, you will find a completely different ... (((
    3. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 21: 08
      -1
      I agree with you on the part that due to the positive demography in the neighboring country (and in Siberia it is negative) and with limited resources, they will soon fill empty Siberia, this provides for the development of Russians by the Chinese and other Asians! A parody of the "referendum" in Crimea will give the Chinese the right to hold a normal referendum and - goodbye, unwashed Russia! Is that what you mean?
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 17 November 2019 22: 13
        0
        It was with you that they forgot to consult on the legitimacy of the referendum, what a tragedy))))
        And about the Chinese - dream on ...
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 11: 42
          -1
          There is no need to dream, facts are a stubborn thing, you are the next country or space for the development of another ethnic group! With what I congratulate you! Here comes your end to all your show-offs, theft, aggression, lies and meanness! And remember, no one will come to your aid!
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 18 November 2019 15: 45
            0
            Well, if "no one" is you about yourself, so I'm even glad of that, there's no sense from you)))
            1. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 23 November 2019 15: 00
              -2
              No, I’m one of those peoples who perished by your stupidity and show-off! As a rule, you started wars, and all the peoples of the USSR who had nothing to do with it drove you to die! If you want to fight, it’s your business, the more you now have your own bourgeois, for their interests, and die, it’s a holy thing to die a slave!
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 23 November 2019 15: 44
                +1
                No, I'm one of those nations ...

                - the first question for you - is it all the same? or still not? And if you are alone, how can you alone be of the "PEOPLES" - that is, plural, here is a clear illustration of the level of your "education" and how you "speak" the Russian language - without a glass you will not figure it out))))
                But the pathos, the pathos, what a !!!))) Well, just embodied "innocence" denounces all sorts of different))) - and WHAT RELATIONSHIP does this "innocence" have to CURRENT RUSSIA?
                And no - and all the pathos flew into the whistle, because it is completely incomprehensible, what does someone who is registered in Kazakhstan care about what and how is going on in Russia? Did you (all) rush into independence, independence and so on in due time? They rushed - so sit there, at your place, and you will not be able to discuss us and OUR business without receiving a shaking off - so "your number is sixteenth", sit there ...
                PS And about commas, at least read a little, that you are still reading a textbook on the Russian language, I no longer hope)
          2. gunS Offline gunS
            gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 54
            0
            You are the next country or space for the development of another ethnic group!

            Do not be so gloomy. Orthodox imperials in Russia lasted 300 years. They replaced the Muscovites.
            Russians in Russia even lasted less than one year (if you count with the period of the war, then 3 years).
            The Soviet generation of people in the expanses of the USSR and the post-Soviet space has existed for more than 100 years. But they will eventually disappear.
            In favor of whom?
            And who knows.
            But in Russia there are more and more Russians. Perhaps they will replace the people of Soviet times. And maybe not. This is for grandfather Nostradamus and grandmother Wang.
            1. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 23 November 2019 15: 55
              -2
              You are right, there is no 1000th anniversary of Russia, as Putin said when he unveiled the monument to Prince Vladimir of Kiev, Russia is no more than 300 years old, the rest of the story is stolen!
              1. gunS Offline gunS
                gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 16: 53
                0
                Quote: Sake
                Russia is no more than 300 years old, the rest of the story is stolen!

                Well, I would put it more gently, rigged.
                Moreover, it is known when she was rigged and even by whom specifically. And for what purpose.
                To do this, a substitution of concepts was launched.
                First of all, Russia was deliberately confused with Ancient Russia.
                And if Muscovy (Russia) had some relation to Ancient Russia (it was part of Ancient Russia in its parts), then it had nothing to do with Russia, since the capital of Russia (as well as Ancient Russia) was Kiev.
                Maybe Russia (with its capital in Kiev) was baptized 1000 years ago, who knows?
                But Muscovy was baptized by the Romanovs (early, still from the local population). After which, in fact, it was renamed to Russia.
                Given that the Romanovs came to reign in 1613, and Russia was formed in 1721, somewhere around this period of time Muscovy was baptized by the Romanovs.
                By the way, initially Muscovy was now incomprehensible (this history is very, very dark) of religion. There was clearly some kind of sectarianism (I do not think that paganism). Even in the early Romanov churches of Muscovy were rebuilt thoroughly, therefore, traces of that religion (authentic) is extremely difficult to find. However, this period in history was relatively short.
                But it is absolutely certain that Moscow Tartaria (it was on the same lands before Muscovy) was a country of predominant Islamic religion. And this period in history was quite long.
              2. Sake Offline Sake
                Sake (Sake) 23 November 2019 20: 33
                -1
                Basically agree with you ....
  • Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 11: 38
    -1
    Why is Western democracy so disgusting to you? Living according to concepts or in the feudal system is better for you than according to democratic principles, or according to the law, before which everyone is equal ?! In an authoritarian country or under a dictatorship (proletariat, criminal organized crime group or military dictatorship) you are probably better off and you are ready to send a dictator to the death of your son or grandson, for such there is not a single gram of respect, you are a slave of the feudal lord!
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 19 November 2019 06: 50
      0
      You look at YOUR system, he started to teach someone here) and it’s not clear to anyone who lives and where it is, what’s happening and how - such advisers like you and your kind have already advised you - you’re tormented to rake after them ...
      And your tales that you are all equal by law and there is democracy - even in Ukraine, even in Kazakhstan, you tell someone else)
  • A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 12: 57
    0
    Gennady, you did not completely quote Brzezinski's quote. It says at the end:

    ... and on the ruins of Russia ...
  • businessv Offline businessv
    businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 21: 29
    +2
    Quote: Sake
    What nonsense! You can tell this to youngsters who did not find that time.

    Colleague, I don’t know your age, but you reason and explain the tragedy that happened to the Union just like a young patriot who is not at all familiar with the laws of the economy and development of states! Well, and the replica about cash bucks carried by KGB officers is the height of perfection! The collapse was planned and managed, but not the ones you wrote about. The article is emotional, but interesting, thanks to Alexander! hi
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 16 November 2019 23: 11
      0
      Probably in some movies so shown)
    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 21: 47
      -1
      You know, I also met Stalin, although I was only two years old then when he went to Hell. I already remember Khrushchev's eccentricities (but until the end of my life I will be grateful to him, with him people stopped starving in the countryside!), His displacement and all the general secretaries on the list (I will remember the young Brezhnev, under him for the first time in the USSR people went to construction sites voluntarily, to earn money! ). I learned the history of my relatives, village, region, Republic, and in this excursion there was nothing to be proud of! It is especially worth noting that in our village there were almost no grandfathers, the first batch was "taken" in 37, no one returned, the second "call" was made in 38, where 8 people were arrested, a couple of weeks later they were shot in Aktobe prison, the question , for what? And before that there was a mass famine in Kazakhstan, where all the cattle were confiscated from the Kazakhs and they died out in whole camps ... the question is, why? Then there was the Finnish one, they called up three, returned 1. 6 people were called up to the Second World War (no more) from 18 years old. by 27 returned three. In 49, the next "cleansing" took place, they imprisoned 8 women of Article 58-10, part 2 for their faith in God for 10 years, and were released only in the spring of 55. Such was the Soviet "romance" in Kazakhstan, where the process of the so-called. collectivization, but in fact the robbery of the people, I will not describe.
      I do not consider the collapse of the country a tragedy, the system and the country should have collapsed, the USSR was a dead-born "child" and it could exist only on fear of the country's repressive apparatus and on the mobilization economy, as soon as these two factors cease to operate, the country is doomed! Which is what we observed.
      I visited the EU, in South America, and saw how people live there, and you know - there is something to compare. There (in Paraguay, Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina there are Russian diasporas, Ukrainian, German, etc.) one generation creates a platform for the next generations, and they have achieved such a high standard of living and prosperity, and their property is sacred! We had a robbery of every generation, and every new generation that could survive, started from a big zero!
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 12: 59
        +1
        ... bullshit ... well, march to school, two-man!
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 14: 10
          -1
          For you, "Ivanov, who do not remember kinship", the real story is like a sickle ..., you need a beautiful myth, tales of imaginary victories, in the history of the country in which crimes, defeats, filthiness, criminal lies, distortion of facts, imperial insanity, but without signs of the ability to give the enslaved peoples a decent life!
          1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 14: 14
            0
            It is not for you, traitors and thieves, to talk about the "real story" that YOU are making up by yourself, composing tales in the UINP about how you dug the Black Sea ...
            1. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 18: 27
              -2
              You, besides yelling about greatness, about heroism, about how all nations were glad about the emergence of collective farm slavery, deportations ... but any semblance of truth turns them into fierce enemies!
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 18 November 2019 18: 45
                0
                But the truth to your opus and a kilometer did not come close)
              2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 22: 44
                0
                laughing Do not know the common truths - you must be able to be so illiterate! Moreover, he wrote somewhere that in Soviet times the director was ... the reasoning of a schoolboy who had barely learned how to put words into more or less digestible fiction ... It’s really easy!
            2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 22: 41
              +2
              Collective farms are, in any case, better (especially in the zone of risky agriculture, where the lands of the overwhelming part of Russia are located) than to hope when individual private traders deign to switch to more progressive land use in a country on the verge of total hunger! If you don’t understand anything in agriculture, then it would be better not to write anything, because "... your foolishness was visible ..."! laughing
              And that's it - you have a "semblance of truth", not the truth! laughing
              ... and where do you come from! laughing It seems that your parents are also well-educated Soviet people, but they brought up such ... illiterate !!! laughing
            3. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 23 November 2019 15: 49
              -2
              Special - self-taught in the field of agricultural. Remember, in 1913 private farmers produced so many diverse agricultural products that they allowed for the first time to feed the peoples of the Russian Empire and sell them for export (Stolypin reform, however, yielded results)! Only in the early 60s, the gross product of the USSR reached the level of 13 years! Just do not talk about the war ...
              The next nonsense, risky farming zones in the European part of the Russian Federation are Volgograd, Astrakhan, part of Stavropol and everything that is higher than 58 ° N and the further east, the riskier is shifting south. The rest of the Russian Federation favors agriculture, and these are the largest areas in the world! And if a country on such lands is not able to feed itself, then this means that the land use system is rotten, like the state system itself or the lazy people, there is no third!
            4. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 23 November 2019 17: 12
              +1
              Iksperdam in the field of land - read books, author ANDREI PARSHEV, there you can find out about lands and much more)
              PS And why is this about the war not necessary?) What, "... the ruins of the chapel are we too? ...
            5. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 23
              0
              Everything was written to you below - go teach lessons.
        2. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 19 November 2019 06: 53
          +2
          "The likeness of truth", and NOT the truth itself, so you "burned out"), this is what you are trying to give out to everyone - LIKE)
        3. gunS Offline gunS
          gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 05
          -4
          Quote: Sake
          ... but any semblance of truth turns them into fierce enemies!

          You are very emotional. And spend your energy in vain on something that should not be in vain.
          In RuNet (and not only in it) there are enough both scumbags (bastards in their essence) and just half-wits (brains did not work out). Have you decided to re-educate them all? Open their eyes? Will not work. Some understand everything perfectly, but they are just such bastards.
          And the latter will not be able to understand anything, there are no brains.
          Therefore, you should not even try.
        4. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 23 November 2019 15: 55
          +3
          So start with yourself, to which category you belong to myself, I don’t know, and it doesn’t matter - what matters to me, who you consider yourself to be, but your manners and education, to put it mildly, leave much to be desired, your comments - not a single fact not shown, but the labels are pasted by you - mom do not worry), go on and on, it is unlikely that this will lead to anything good - first of all for you ...
          But these are your problems.
        5. gunS Offline gunS
          gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 21: 27
          -3
          Quote: 321
          your comments - not a single fact is given.

          Here I’m definitely not going to open my eyes. Why, if you do not see (no matter for what reason) the obvious and still require some facts?
        6. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 23 November 2019 21: 41
          +1
          Obvious to you? I willingly believe that there is still sake, here everything is already obvious to him for a long time))) You somehow resemble him in this, but style and literacy are better, you can’t argue).
  • gunS Offline gunS
    gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 56
    -4
    Quote: businessv
    the tragedy that happened to the Union

    The "creation of the USSR" was a tragedy. The collapse of the USSR is just a positive and historically inevitable event.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 23 November 2019 15: 56
      +1
      How crunchy bun pulled something)))))
  • Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 23 November 2019 15: 28
    -5
    The union in the form that we found it - was a "dead child", it had no chance of survival and long existence. The whole problem of the USSR was in its essence, which was sharpened for the "world liberation of workers and peasants" through the "Comintern", the country's resources and intelligence structures, all material and human resources were concentrated on the implementation of this nonsense. The system could exist only due to the factor of fear that Stalin and his gang made full use of the mobilization economy (which was not an economy, but a system of redistribution), as soon as there was no fear among the peoples (from the second half of the 60s), the system gave the first cracks and collapsed by itself, it only had to be pushed, which was done! Only under Brezhnev, the delirium of "world socialism" was removed from the party program, but replaced with support for the "national liberation movement" and the "socialist camp." Under this nonsense, both weapons and ammunition were shipped to distant and exotic countries, where yesterday's cannibals and savages were trained by officers - instructors who were often killed or eaten (the thrill to gobble up a white man ...), and the ruling regime was provided with cash dough in suitcases, like I already wrote. The savages did not give any receipts or promissory notes, Putin recently wrote off more than 160 lard of greenery) - this is the money that was stolen from us, and he wrote off, he could have closed the debts from his own!
    Therefore, I repeat that under the USSR, the military, party comrades and the military-industrial complex at one gate robbed the peoples of the USSR and for what? For the sake of show off on the world pole of influence, there wasn’t enough mind for more, now the Russian Federation has gone in the second round, but with worse starting conditions, the result will be the same!
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 23 November 2019 15: 59
      +3
      About suitcases with currency you already wrote before, see TV box less often)))))
      And who did Putin steal money from? Obviously NOT for those who live in Kazakhstan)
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 23 November 2019 20: 34
        -2
        Yes, let him steal, it touches me the least ...
    2. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 16: 25
      -6
      The whole problem of the USSR was in its essence, which was sharpened on the "world liberation of workers and peasants" through the "Comintern"

      There was none of this. The RSFSR was engaged in this even before the USSR. With the creation of the USSR, this nonsense was gradually over.

      that Stalin and his gang made full use of

      Dzhugashvili in 1927-40. carried out a reactionary coup that led to "Soviet socialism" in the USSR. The final chord of this coup (like any revolution) was the reprisal against the unwanted (supporters of the previous foundations and those who were simply suspected of this). In the USSR, this process was carried out in 1938-39.
      Dzhugashvili built, and built, for himself, his beloved, a totalitarian sect country. The years of study at the seminary were clearly not in vain for him. He chose a slave-owning method of production for the sectarians, which was understandable. And only then he owned this Sect for many years, including all kinds of marshals, academics, people's commissars and other clowns.
      Alas, you will never for any reason explain to the sectarian of a totalitarian sect that he is not in himself. And the Soviet sectarian is no exception. Therefore, do not even try. Useless.

      Quote: Sake
      ... but replaced with support for the "national liberation movement" and the "socialist camp".

      Today it is absolutely rightly called a "sponsor of terrorism." And then it was said in short - "the empire of evil." And it was rightly said!
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 23 November 2019 21: 20
        +1
        What are the familiar terms, how many years have passed, but so far nothing has changed ...
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 27
          0
          Was it pulled by rubber-Sakharovschina, or is it just one's sense of smell let me down? laughing
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 26 November 2019 17: 00
            0
            There has already been a shot on the VO site that stubbornly wanted to prove to everyone that it was he who was the main and super important specialist in shooting and in history, too, and had already met before, there would still be a lot of them - for what reasons they are, I'm too lazy to understand. ..
  • Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 November 2019 19: 11
    -5
    Holy naivety.
  • Conn Offline Conn
    Conn (Conn) 15 November 2019 21: 49
    0
    Yes, a fig it did not "redeem"!
  • DPN Offline DPN
    DPN (DPN) 15 November 2019 22: 08
    +1
    And therefore, from every TV screen, citizens, we will throw in a ruble.
  • unholyknight Offline unholyknight
    unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 01: 45
    -2
    Wow, the Americans were falling apart. They broke up so much that they persuaded the flight officers to pour kerosene into the ground in order to indicate in the reports that there were flights, and to write off alcohol under this matter. So they ruined that in a country with huge agricultural land, there was almost a famine and it was humiliating to ask for humanitarian assistance. Which the West suddenly even provided, yeah. They collapsed so much that in the USSR they had to buy grain from the West, which they suddenly sold to him. They tried so hard that they quietly bought up, which the USSR then built tanks with which it was preparing to go to the English Channel. Not the excessive gluttony of the military preparing for the last war, not the idiotic planned economy, not the lack of private initiative, not the swollen and ineffective state apparatus - all this Reagan was the villain of the CIA.
    In general, the country had the opportunity to switch to market rails, but there was no money for it. In a good way - Gorbachev had to invest and organize a good meat grinder in the Middle East. So the KGB would have eaten bread for some reason, and oil prices rose. The presence of petrodollars would smooth out the mistakes in the reforms and give a margin of safety, until the country could figure out how everything is normal to transfer the economy from planned to at least partially planned. But Gorbi did not have enough brains for this. Or arrogance.
    1. Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 16 November 2019 09: 19
      +1
      Sovereignty (spirit) - this is the reason for the lack of subjectivity to this day. (The game is the tenth number and the boys for kicks and slobs, there was no one to give birth, educate and teach).
    2. ss29 Offline ss29
      ss29 16 November 2019 11: 33
      +2
      With a planned economy, we won the war. So, to say that she is idiotic, in all seriousness no one can say.
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 14: 15
        -2
        What kind of war have you won? Tell us what the planned economy led to, or rather, the mobilization economy ?!
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 19 November 2019 06: 55
          +2
          What other instructions will follow from you? What else can you tell and fill in the gaps in YOUR education and knowledge?)
          It’s time for you to start self-education, so yourself and only yourself ...
      2. gunS Offline gunS
        gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 21
        -5
        Quote: ss29
        With a planned economy, we won the war.

        What, what?
        What kind of war did you win?
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 23 November 2019 16: 00
          +1
          There are so many educational literature on the Internet, study - study yourself)
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    3. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 20
      -3
      Quote: unholyknight
      In general, the country had the opportunity to switch to market rails, but there was no money for it.

      The opportunity to switch to market rails in Russia in the 20th century. there was only one time - in 1917. Then there was no such possibility, since the state and society were FORCEDLY degraded 2 times, and since the end of the 30s the slave-owning mode of production (better known as "Soviet socialism") was finally introduced in the USSR.
      "Market rails" are the capitalist mode of production. To go to it, you must first go over to the feudal mode of production (go through all its phases) and only then can you think about the capitalist mode of production.
      But in another way it will not work. A vivid example, the bourgeois revolution of March 1917. What happened much earlier than it should have (the slave-owning mode of production in Russia was canceled only 50 years before), it not only failed to protect itself, but also led to the seizure of power in Russia by a bunch of rogue crooks . With all the sad consequences that ensue for the country.

      Quote: unholyknight
      ... until the country would figure out how everything is normal to transfer the economy from planned to at least partially planned.

      The question was not about the planned economy. The question was in the introduction of the institution of PERSONAL property in the USSR, i.e. in the replacement of the slave-holding OEF with the feudal one. As it was after "war communism", during the period of "Soviet power", before "Soviet socialism".
      Those. in replacing "correct ideology" with pure "Trotskyism" (although in fact, it was possible to rinse Trotsky in the USSR with Leninism, but it was impossible to rinse Ulyanov).
      But the communists went for "Trotskyism" too late. And Gorbachev himself, as the leader of the country, was impotent. Because he was, like most correct communists, an ordinary chatterbox demagogue.
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 23 November 2019 16: 03
        +3
        ... And Gorbachev himself, as the leader of the country, was impotent. Because he was, like most regular Communists, an ordinary talker-demagogue.

        - but how many he managed to pile up and destroy, well, a true demagogue, of course, "we kind of believe you"))))
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 32
          +1
          Below, he generally issued a pearl (about the commodity economy). laughing
  • gunS Offline gunS
    gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 31
    -3
    Quote: Vadim_4
    The Americans shook the economy of the Union.

    And what was there to shake?
    Export of raw materials is not an economy.

    Quote: Vadim_4
    Money from the sale of resources went west through local oligarchs on a massive scale.

    Money from the sale of resources went to their owners. And you shouldn’t open your mouth on someone else’s loaf.

    Quote: Vadim_4
    and while the state has not bought controlling stakes ...

    So what? In addition to control packages, minority packages still exist.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 31
      0
      And what was there to shake? Export of raw materials is not an economy.

      Ameram, with their sale of shale gas, tell us, and we will laugh at your stupidity! laughing fool
  • vvnab Offline vvnab
    vvnab (Vitali) 15 November 2019 17: 48
    +5
    Why did you lie ?! Just the opposite! They told the truth. That is exactly what happened. And why capture, if they already have everything they wanted? They take our resources for green candy wrappers.
    1. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 23
      -5
      Quote: vvnab
      Take our resources

      Your resources, they are in the "birdhouse" outhouse. Down there. You didn’t have any other resources.
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 23 November 2019 16: 04
        +1
        Is that what you decided? Well, in your performance this is no longer surprising for some reason)
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 33
        0
        Here you are - there, down below, Lenin said correctly about you. laughing
  • Yuri Nemov Offline Yuri Nemov
    Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 15 November 2019 19: 50
    +3
    Do Americans also lie when they scream that the Russians are about to attack them?
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 20: 17
      -8
      Don’t lie, there is no such thing in their press or among Europeans, it’s only crazy in the Russian Federation ... what’s characteristic is that you yourself started a war and look for the reason on the other side, typically in Russian!
      1. Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 16 November 2019 09: 20
        -2
        It’s not in Russian (you can’t scare Russian) - it’s in Moscow (Trojan horses!)
  • S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
    S.V.YU 16 November 2019 09: 14
    0
    It is unclear whether you are a scoundrel?
  • Nymp Offline Nymp
    Nymp (Boris) 17 November 2019 17: 18
    +3
    Pro-Western cook, that grandees float by? Is the toad strangling? Saw to your good uncles from America. Our grandfathers had already broken off such "good-natured" teeth in 1945, and people like you served as policemen for the Nazis, and they also told the people what a kind German people!
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 11: 49
      -3
      Remember and tell others, if the Anglo-Americans were not on the Soviet side, we would have lost the war in the fall of 41 years! But only such ungrateful can pout their cheeks and hang out!
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 19 November 2019 07: 00
        +3
        Dreamers and fantasies about your pets and tell them - they can take your word for it, but don’t try to tell the rest to such bullshit, the Anglo-Americans helped, honor and praise them for it, BUT helped, and nothing more. Give you free rein, you will begin to tell that under Tobruk the fate of that war was decided - it will not work for you to hang noodles on your ears, it will not work!
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  • A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 12: 47
    +1
    YOU have neither oil nor gas in sufficient quantity to worry about it. All YOUR "hydration and nezalezhnost" is bullshit. Therefore, Russia took YOUR nuclear missile weapons out of harm's way (it turned out - right). And all YOUR "wealth" (which was, in fact, an achievement TOTAL Soviet people)

    "fell into the hands of homebrew" legal thieves "

    - read YOUR Akhmetov and Kolomoisky. So they produce from YOU

    total defeat in the country

    And about

    surrounded themselves with enemies

    - it’s you, with examples, who take nonsense -

    "Russian troops ... have come close to the doorstep of NATO" (Chuck Hagel - Defense Minister)

    or did they get infected from you (or rather, both together)? ... However, this is a rhetorical question ...
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 18 November 2019 14: 18
      -1
      I won't get involved in discussions on points, but tell us, my dear, how many factories and plants have been closed in the last 20 years? And we don't need to rub your "scabies", "what is there in Ukraine"?
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 14: 22
        +1
        You do not skip the topic. When there is nothing to answer for people like you, you immediately change the subject. Is this what Western political technologists are teaching you all? Well then, congratulations - you admitted it!
        PS ... and you don’t have to worry about our factories ... like those who ruined them. The time will come - everyone will receive what they have done. Worry about your independence.
      2. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 19 November 2019 07: 06
        +1
        Is the discussion with you? First, gain knowledge so that there is someone to discuss with.
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 19 November 2019 18: 17
          -2
          Whoever has his point of view is fiercely hated!
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 19 November 2019 19: 06
            0
            And who cares, who do you even see, even hate? You will not succeed in changing ANYTHING - we will figure it out ourselves.
          2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
            A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 39
            +1
            ... nonsense of the times of the 70s - 80s to spread TODAY and think that a little who knows how to read and NOT LAZY people will believe in it !!!! laughing
            1. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 26 November 2019 17: 09
              -2
              Laughs the one who laughs last!
    2. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 19 November 2019 07: 04
      0
      Rather, the Americans and other Western robots insisted that both Kazakhstan and Ukraine give up their nuclear toys - they already understood what all these guys could come to ...
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 19 November 2019 18: 21
        -2
        Quite the opposite, Putin, during the seizure of Crimea, brought the YaS to high alert (he himself talked about this!). The question is, who did he want to throw at the ID
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 19 November 2019 19: 09
          +1
          What's the difference to you? You DO NOT live in Russia, and OUR affairs should not worry anyone, who cares - these are THEIR PROBLEMS.
      2. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 26 November 2019 17: 14
        -1
        Well, the fools who handed over their nuclear missile arsenals to the potential aggressor, today in the Kremlin there would not have been so many show-offs and rudeness if 1230 nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles remained in Kiev.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 26 November 2019 19: 00
          -1
          If you can't figure out that the initiators of all this were primarily the Americans, then these are definitely not my problems - why does the United States need such a country, and even with a "vigorous" bomb ???)
          And for the very understanding, like you, there is no such term as YaZ, learn the materiel
          1. Sake Offline Sake
            Sake (Sake) 28 November 2019 19: 16
            0
            ... there is no secret (and there is no need to build such a smart one) that Clinton forced Ukraine to part with its nuclear weapons as delivery vehicles, as well as Kazakhstan and Belarus. In addition, about 10 tons of enriched uranium were discovered in Kazakhstan, which were urgently exported to the United States for 100 lemons of greenery ...
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 28 November 2019 20: 07
              0
              That's why you used to crucify here before, now if Ukraine had a thousand, then it would be ...))) but how to call all this correctly, you never found out)) "expert")))
    3. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 24
      -3
      Quote: A.Lex
      ... the achievement of ALL of the Soviet people.

      Did the "Soviet people" have any other achievements, except in the process of "destroying internal enemies"?
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 23 November 2019 16: 06
        0
        How, haven’t you been informed yet?) AI-AI-AI) - search on the Internet at your complete disposal, yourself and only yourself).
  • kartalovkolya Offline kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 4 December 2019 09: 06
    +2
    It’s bad when “you don’t make friends with brains,” but even worse when they don’t: you think that if hordes of external enemies did not enter our land, they didn’t need it, because with the help of internal Judas they already took possession of our property, or try to challenge this fact ...
    1. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
      Ravshan (Jamsut) 4 December 2019 11: 20
      -4
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      they, with the help of inner Judas, have already taken possession of our property

      Property?
      What property?
      Do not exaggerate, under the USSR, your "property" was only the pants worn to holes in the ass. More with you in the USSR, there was NOTHING. Soviet citizens were simply beggars. In the truest sense of the word.
  • Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 12: 09
    -3
    And how much more time is needed - years to cut in and draw conclusions? Was 20 years old enough?
  • Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 17: 16
    -3
    I believe there is a Jewish curse. I have to say thank you to Abramych, he rewarded the country with a president who will not die until all the money is pumped out!
  • Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 20: 34
    -9
    That's right, were any Serbs of the Russian Empire worth it?
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 21: 53
      -2
      I'm shocked, it turns out that some Serbs for some of the local and abnormal, more expensive than the Russian Empire, which collapsed on the "Serbian rake" ?!
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 18 November 2019 06: 23
        +1
        It is clear that those who have brains are abnormal for you and your "colleagues")
        Well, the fact that you are in shock does not surprise, you have been in it for a very long time and do not come out of it, at all ...
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  • Conn Offline Conn
    Conn (Conn) 15 November 2019 21: 48
    +1
    It's time for the authorities to stop stealing and protecting thieves!
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 16 November 2019 10: 36
      -6
      Power in the Russian Federation and thieves are one and the same!
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 17 November 2019 21: 55
        -3
        No words, or are there only millionaires who stole under the current regime? Or blind and stupefied by a zombie, what beyond this moronity they no longer understand ?!
  • Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 16 November 2019 08: 09
    -6
    Is that power? Then what is vague time and even timelessness? Komsomol and the CPSU in the fight against the dollar! There is a picture (antique), there is a certain gentleman with a family entangled in snakes - this is Putin entangled in pipelines and paralyzing connections.
  • kartalovkolya Offline kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 16 November 2019 12: 37
    +4
    Oh, sweetheart, so she and the power, so that you and I can steal!

    Capitalism is not in order to make people happy, but in order to rob it, and this external and internal abomination sleeps and sees Russia in ruins!
    1. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 27
      -2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Capitalism is not to make people happy, but to rob it.

      Went out of the outskirts of your village somewhere? Have you been to capitalist countries? Something I really doubt about this.

      Quote: kartalovkolya
      ... and this external and internal abomination sleeps and sees Russia in ruins!

      But what for the abomination is it necessary? What will she have from this?
    2. Ravshan Offline Ravshan
      Ravshan (Jamsut) 4 December 2019 11: 19
      -3
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Capitalism is not to make people happy, but to rob it,

      That is the population of countries living under capitalism, like cheese in butter rolls. Moreover, ALL COUNTRIES WITHOUT EXCLUSION.
  • zenion Offline zenion
    zenion (zinovy) 16 November 2019 15: 59
    0
    The most important thing in politics is Consensus!
  • A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 14: 05
    0
    Here you need to make a difficult decision ....
    Due to the fact that the "contingent of overthrowing the regime-regime" envisages the destruction of the state, with HUGE human losses (to which these Tvapi have called and are calling repeatedly), it is necessary to begin all-round work to eliminate a POSSIBLE catastrophe - the destruction of sources of danger. This, among other things, provides for the physical elimination of those who WORK to destroy the COUNTRY and its population. Also, do not deny the spread of such a measure of social protection
    - on persons engaged in (and / or engaged in) embezzlement on a large scale, both state property (and / or money), and citizens of the Russian Federation;
    - on persons involved (and / or engaged) in embedding criminal structures (and / or individuals with a criminal past / present) in government structures;
    - on persons engaged in (and / or engaged in) the betrayal of national interests that led to exorbitant financial losses and / or losses of the population of the Russian Federation;
    - on persons involved in (and / or engaged in) the issuance of state secrets (including military);
    - on persons who committed a high-profile crime related to the deprivation of life or the use of violence, resulting in serious loss of health (both physical and mental) of citizens of the Russian Federation (especially with regard to crimes against women and children).
    This type of social protection should be extended if the perpetrators of the above will not be on the territory of the Russian Federation, i.e. those who escaped to avoid criminal punishment (in order for the temptation to "escape" to the West "meant the cessation of life), as well as citizens of the Russian Federation who committed similar acts more than once (which suggests characterizing them as repeat offenders). In other cases, long prison terms (from 15-25 years and more).
    ... Here is the minimum list of a sad minimum that MUST be accepted, BUT - AFTER ACCEPTANCE OF THE DEATH PENALTY - as measures of the last influence on strengthening the social protection of the population of the Russian Federation ...
    1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 19 November 2019 11: 14
      -1
      Eh ... History teaches that it does not teach anything.
    2. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 29
      -3
      See how these "social protection measures" would not be applied to you first.
      Yezhov, he also did not think that he would be pinched (like "not at all"). Yes, and Beria and Beria, too.
      And how many ordinary pichuchchivalschchik in the end pinched, can not be counted.
  • gunS Offline gunS
    gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 27
    -2
    Quote: Jar.serge
    It is time for the authorities to draw conclusions, at least from the deplorable end of the Russian Empire .....

    The conclusion there is very simple - each vegetable has its own time. One could still apply the proverb, hurry up, make people laugh. But it all hurt is not funny happened.
    Autocracy in Russia (as elsewhere in the world) was historically doomed. But not in 1917, but somewhere closer to the 40s, as it was in Yugoslavia and in other Balkan states. In this case, the "lower classes" would have already managed to catch up to the "upper classes". And Russia would not have suffered the horror that happened to it in the period from 1918 to 1991.
    But the link between the times was broken, Russia (and Russia, this "creation" exclusively of the Romanovs) ceased its historical existence, and the USSR came to replace it. One of the parts of which a little later became the Russian Federation.
    One of the features of the Russian Federation is that, having lost elite succession during the USSR period (this fact allows us to say that historical Russia disappeared forever), the country cannot follow the European path of development of the state and society. She could probably move in the direction that Lukashenko and Belarus are trying to do, but the process is quite lengthy. And far from the fact that it will end successfully.
    Therefore, the Russian Federation is increasingly leaning toward the Latin American path of development. Alas, of course. Because more often than not, this path does not bode well.
  • plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 15 November 2019 10: 16
    +7
    ... life in today's Russia is perhaps far from perfect. There are no milk rivers with sweet sides, and indeed ... Yes, power is wrong, rude and even soulless (as, indeed, everywhere in the world). Yes, many people want “changes” - it doesn’t matter what specifically, but to be sure “for the better.” This is normal. Here are just once on this our desire has already been played. It was he who was used as a force that destroyed our country and broke the lives of millions of people. Is it worth repeating the mistake? Especially when you consider that this time its price will be even worse.

    - the article leaves a complex impression, on the one hand, much is true in it - about Gorbachev, and about the aspirations of our "partners", and about the opposition from Vilnius, and not only. On the other hand, even the author admits that with the authorities we have not that which is not ideal, but often just bad - but the power itself will not change, well, she does not know how to do this, especially herself, and she has no desire - as it was in advertising once - "we are sitting, and the money is going" - that's how they have it, so what is the conclusion? The government does not want to change almost anything, the people are not satisfied with the quality and standard of living - and how is it almost a contradiction to decide ???
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    2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 07
      +1
      The question is that the deaf discontent of the people is used by unscrupulous employers and monopolists, as well as such "fighters" as SAKA (although this is generally ukrovsky affiliation) and the like. They sleep and see how to sweep away the power AT ALL - that's when (they think so) they feast on, not suspecting that they will be physically destroyed, because

      A revolution always devours its children.
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 18 November 2019 15: 47
        +1
        As for the fact that they think so - that you flattered him greatly, this is not his horse - in my opinion)
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 22: 29
          +1
          Well, yes, yes ... Brains are definitely not about them ... lol
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2019 10: 16
    +5
    And figs. There is no import substitution-industrialization, prices are rising, oligarchs are getting richer, officials are greeting, the Accounts Chamber does not have time to consider theft ...
    Vaughn, they let out both the players and the wife of the authority who crushed the "drunken boy".
    It is necessary to find the guilty. And who?
    The stump is clear - the West and the 5th column.
  • Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 15 November 2019 10: 28
    -3
    There, Navalny turned out to be a recognized "star", boasting to everyone and everyone, which is rightly recognized by the FBK foreign agent

    - where can I read about it? Just not at FAN or Constantinople ...
  • g1washntwn Offline g1washntwn
    g1washntwn (George Washington) 15 November 2019 10: 36
    +1
    If instead of iron and concrete, a frame is made of liberal-democratic multi-colored jelly candies and straw, such a house does not need to be shaken, the dun will lie down. And if the house is stone, apart from blowing up the cheeks of the wolf, nothing else will come of it. Read fairy tales to children.
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 11: 57
      -7
      When the word "liberal" is used as an abusive word, everything is clear with this comrade, he follows the instructions of the payer or a supporter of the feudal dictatorial regime. Firstly, Russia, in search of its own special path of development, over the past 100 years of wandering in a circle, returned to the tsar, to the priests, to embezzlers of embezzlers on an unprecedented scale in history, to the gendarmes in the person of the Russian Guard, having lost more than 62 million people along the way. !
      Nowadays, this walking in a circle is already turning into an obstacle race, where each obstacle is an enemy created by the regime out of the blue! The question is, all neighboring countries cannot be enemies at the same time, maybe the whole problem is in Moscow, in the regime that leads the people to Hell, as promised?
  • Alexander Ra Offline Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra (Alexander) 15 November 2019 10: 46
    +4
    ... we have already played on this desire. It is him used as a force that destroyed our country and broke the lives of millions of people.

    People, do not have a desire "for the better"! This is the cause of our troubles.
    1. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 15 November 2019 11: 07
      +4
      That is, be content with what is already there, and don’t even count on anything else, right?
      Then a little more, and we will pay for the fact that they will give the opportunity to just work, but is it really necessary?
      1. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
        S.V.YU 16 November 2019 09: 23
        0
        You have already voluntarily become scaffolds! With Russia, this "number" will NOT work!
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 16 November 2019 09: 33
          0
          Did you write this to whom?
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 11: 25
      +1
      ... the desire for the best, in itself, is quite normal for a person, and it is this desire that leads humanity to development throughout its existence. But at the same time it is necessary, firstly, to learn to value what you have, and secondly, to realize that not all changes lead to this “better”, otherwise many people think so, especially young people, and it is on this that the organizers of various "revolutions" "play" ... They promise everyone changes for the better in those areas that many consider problematic, but somehow "forget" to warn that revolutions or "perestroika" which they so zealously urge, as a rule, demolish and destroy everything in general, and that positive that has already been built and achieved by the country and society ...
      1. Bitter Offline Bitter
        Bitter (Gleb) 15 November 2019 23: 01
        +3
        ... talk about the "need for change in Russia."

        Why not stir up the perestroika, there is potential. wink
        Then it began in the USSR with the desire of one rogue communist (or vice versa) who wanted to become president, but was unable to not only hold on to, but simply hold on to his presidential wand. lol
        Now, against the background of temples and other gilding, some can think about the throne. good
    3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 08
      +2
      Best the enemy of the good!

      ... although it is necessary to strive ... but not by destroying the country ...
  • Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 11: 44
    +4
    Thanks to the author for a good article.
    I apologize in advance for the possible bloodthirstiness, but I personally do not understand why Gorbachev, after everything that he has done, lives quietly, receives a pension from the state, which he almost destroyed completely, and even kind of speaks out somewhere else ... it was already discouraging even to think about a repetition of something like his "perestroika" in our country, especially for this character it is necessary to make an exception from the moratorium on the death penalty, conduct a show trial, as once with Vlasov, and hang him until he died ... General Vlasov, who was executed in the same way, by his actions did not inflict even a hundredth percent of the damage to the country that Judas-Gorbachev and his last ones.
    Until these people are punished according to their deserts, and all this is not seen, they will continue to try to do their job all sorts of nits, such as bulk, Kasparov, Babchenko, etc.
    In the meantime, Gorbi will give out interviews to the foreign press, and the EBN center will be located in Yekaterinburg, their glory will not give peace to various anti-Russian bastards ... And this bastard is, and has always been, the hope of the enemies of Russia, since there is nothing no one could ever do with our country - the gut is thin ...
    1. Alf Offline Alf
      Alf (Vasiliy) 15 November 2019 15: 50
      +4
      Quote: Pyshenkov
      ... receives a pension from the state, which he almost completely destroyed ...

      Because the one who replaced Yeltsin said there would be no change of course.
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 15: 56
        +2
        ... then he said this in order to come to this shift, otherwise no one would have let go. But the change of course still took place. Let's hope that it continues further. I understand that many would like to cut it. But here, I think, the GDP is right - we already had a cut, and the sharp movements didn’t end with anything good. I think we are going the right way. I, too, am one of those who would like to cut more in their souls, but with my mind I understand that at this stage and in the current situation it would hardly have happened ...
        But with some people and with something more abruptly, I think it’s already possible ... wink
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 17: 13
          -1
          What a naive romance, a group that has been in power for 20 years, how much more time does it take to carry out the reforms, which he talks about all the time, about "breakthroughs", about "accelerations" and other things from his thug jargon, which he is not capable of at all?
          1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
            unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 01: 49
            -4
            Another 20, or even 40 years is needed for the entire generation that lived under the USSR to die out, and which wants "this is how it was in youth." When this generation will leave, when legal nihilism will be overcome, when a normal civil society is built, there is a possibility that finally something normal will start to turn out. It is lucky that Putin is an anti-communist, because somehow I do not want to return to this feudalism, which was fooling slaves. Or, perhaps, to remind that people on collective farms were not given passports and there they were mostly serfs?
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 16 November 2019 05: 32
              +4
              Dream further, by the time when according to your estimates all this will happen, serfdom will have time to enter serfdom again - just for you and your descendants ...
              And write further about the allegedly serfdom of the collective farmers - if there were no brains, then sit on the fifth point straight and wait there and beyond - even in the sea of ​​weather, at least something, and who they had, they managed to arrange their lives differently ...
              And about the fact that "there will be overcoming legal nihilism" smiled especially), it's time for you to descend from heaven to earth.
              1. gunS Offline gunS
                gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 40
                -2
                Quote: 321
                serfdom again time to enter

                I do not think that "Soviet socialism" will be repeated again.
                Although who knows.
                1. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 23 November 2019 16: 17
                  +2
                  The name may be different, but the essence ... - how do the same loans differ in essence, or the system that the Chinese are introducing ...
                  1. gunS Offline gunS
                    gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 21: 20
                    -3
                    Quote: 321
                    how do the same loans differ in essence

                    Are you out of your mind? How can one compare loans with the slave-owning mode of production? Do you even know what a slave mode of production is? What does it mean?
                    Looks like no.

                    Quote: 321
                    or the system that the Chinese are introducing ...

                    The Chinese are not introducing anything and have not implemented anything. You confused them with the North Koreans.
                    1. plabu Offline plabu
                      plabu 23 November 2019 21: 47
                      +2
                      It seems that your search on the Internet is banned) It's about the Chinese, well, these are your problems, but your opuses about slave owners and stuff on about the same topic are not interesting to me from the word at all, too often you try to pass off your wishful thinking there, so I don’t try to arrange disputes on this subject - even here I didn’t have enough).
                      And it seems that you didn’t get to the point, well, God bless him, I definitely won’t chew ...
                      1. gunS Offline gunS
                        gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 22: 06
                        -2
                        Quote: 321
                        ... it looks like your search on the internet is banned) it's about the Chinese.

                        The Chinese are the main victims. 2018 for the Chinese economy ended in disaster. 2019 promises to be no better. Therefore, China will lose the status of the second economy in the world.
                        And what about "the introduction by the Chinese of some kind of system," you stop fantasizing. Economic problems will also come to China (this always happens). Therefore, today it is a powder keg, and not at all a steam locomotive.

                        Quote: 321
                        ... but your opuses about slaveholders and stuff on about the same topic are NOT interesting to me from the word at all.

                        So I did not write for you. And for those who understand.
                      2. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 23 November 2019 22: 12
                        +4
                        The Chinese, having read your verses, well, they are already rushing into the rivers in droves, such as drowning))) and about what they started to introduce in China - it’s not interesting, don’t look, your problems, ignorance has never improved anything - but you’re more interested - go on) .
                  2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 2 December 2019 00: 39
                    +1
                    Purely for fun, do you know what the average salary of these "slaves" is today? Right from the workers, for example, in a shoe or a garment factory?
                    It’s not at all like a Russian in the same positions, unfortunately ... like the fact that a Chinese man can buy for this salary.
          2. beeper Offline beeper
            beeper 16 November 2019 13: 07
            +6
            Oh, here is the victim of liberal propagandists drew ?! smile
            It was like that under Stalin - they worked for the sticks, but when he was gone, under Malenkov, the peasantry sighed much more freely, under Khrushch, of course, it turned out to be a bit harder - it turned out to be uniform, but the collective farmers had no problems with passports!
            Hovering around, already under Brezhnev, on a collective farm, and especially a large state farm, if he was governed by an intelligent chairman, people lived better, lived in nature and ate only ecologically clean products — those who grew up in a Soviet village — usually long-livers (we don’t take into account drunken drunks - they don’t live in the village for a very long time, they get drunk somewhere!)!

            And yet, since you are so fool maligned ill-wisher, do not be afraid of God and do not think about your Soul, then, sincerely and with all your heart, and to you that you so evil wish us, millions of people unfamiliar to you! negative
            1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
              unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 13: 17
              -3
              But why then students were sent to harvest, instead of collective farmers to harvest? Is this generally normal practice when for some reason people are sent forcibly getting higher education, taking them away from their direct occupation - studies, in order to do what the collective farmers themselves must do? Nothing that people from collective farms fled by all possible means, fled to cities - and I note that this is a natural process and it is global. People from villages always flee to cities, because, suddenly, there are better living conditions due to better infrastructure and access to services. But in the USSR, the practice of serf peasants continued - that is, the collective farmers were stupidly not given a passport - and I, as it were, were from contemporary contemporaries. Why would such measures be if it was so sweet on collective farms, eh?
              1. beeper Offline beeper
                beeper 16 November 2019 13: 42
                +5
                Everything is in development - under Stalin - yes, passports were reluctantly given to peasants, but they were given, and later on, they were given to all peasants!
                And service in the army was a real social lift for many village guys. "Collective farms" I remember how the best time to study - in common work, rest and communication, living "in nature" and on everything ready, the opportunity to get to know my comrades better (especially at the very beginning of my studies - in the first year!) - they are absolutely not for me prevented from graduating from a university with a "red diploma"!
                At school, the high school suburban trip "for a radish" was akin to a picnic! smile
                At the factory and in the army - it was also a good rest, combined with the help of the villagers. And the opportunity to be supplied free of charge (or with a substantial discount - "goods from the manufacturer") with selected fresh vegetables and fruits.
                Our country and national economy were common both during weeding and harvesting, we willingly helped the village — we knew that everything we collected in the fields would be in the bins of the motherland — for us!
                As elsewhere, then and now, there were problems, but then, in Soviet times, they were, a priori, much more surmountable for most of our compatriots! yes
                1. gunS Offline gunS
                  gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 42
                  -5
                  Quote: pishchak
                  "Collective farms" I remember as the best time to study.

                  This is "the best Soviet education in the world."
                  The USSR was a country of total ignorance. In general, most often they did not know anything and did not want to know. But everyone had "crusts" in their pockets.
                  1. plabu Offline plabu
                    plabu 23 November 2019 17: 18
                    +3
                    And who is embarrassed that most often it was in the first year, at the very beginning, and for acquaintance and formation of a team - in the good sense of the word, it was difficult to find something better))) But it is difficult to miss the opportunity to kick again, right? )
                    1. gunS Offline gunS
                      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 21: 16
                      -3
                      Quote: 321
                      And who is embarrassed that most often it was in the first year.

                      It was far not only in the first year.

                      Quote: 321
                      ... and for acquaintance and group formation - in the good sense of the word, it was hard to find something better)

                      People in normal educational institutions study, but do not get acquainted and do not form groups.
                    2. plabu Offline plabu
                      plabu 23 November 2019 21: 57
                      +2
                      Well, about the teams, or rather, their non-education, you tell in other educational institutions - Harvard University, Yale University and the list can still be continued with more than one name)))
                      And so you better know, of course, as it was in my school, or in my sister, and we believe in it)))))))))))))
                    3. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 48
                      +1
                      Ooooh, how do we fan him !!! laughing
              2. beeper Offline beeper
                beeper 23 November 2019 18: 03
                +4
                As for the "total ignoramuses in the USSR" - this is just your, I hope, "conscientious (well, you are not some kind of spiteful critic, an evil slanderer-anti-Soviet, in fact ??!)" Delusion, "amigo"! smile
                You, along the way, read completely inattentively and obviously do not assimilate what you have read - apparently, "clip thinking" interferes? request

                I have the opportunity to compare Soviet education and "independent" education in real business, in production.
                Therefore, I have to "disappoint" you, my young committed "friend" - there was a relative order in the Soviet Union with education and MOTIVATED by a massive desire to learn, to "know everything" and "be able to do everything"! yes
                And yes, education for all layers of our Soviet society was free, "social elevators" worked properly for everyone, and not for the "elite" - "crusts" about higher and secondary special education (often young people after a technical school or vocational school continued their education in a specialized university and they were more prepared and knowledgeable than their comrades, applicants-high school graduates!) were among many citizens, some who were especially zealous to study and expand their specialization had "crusts" even from several universities, as well as "crusts" candidates and doctors of profile sciences.
                And this knowledge of the Soviet secondary and higher schools, in the vast majority of cases, was completely correlated with practice, ignorant lazy people were not respected among Soviet workers and therefore also gravitated to knowledge!
                It is now the rich ignoramuses from the "good klepto families" who rule "Ukraine" and it is already obvious to everyone what has become of it - even the president of the African pirate Somalia, which has become a symbol of poverty and devastation, publicly proudly resented when his country was once compared to "European Ukraine" and none of the "Ukrainian leaders" objected to this, "no shmog" ....! request

                Now, when in Ukraine (I don’t presume to judge about Russia - let the Russians themselves tell) a huge number of commercial “embroideries” and “koladzhiv” have bred on the basis of former Soviet vocational schools and technical schools (or even simply - in some random premises ), and they are "taught" by those who are "certified" in the same "vyshs" or who have bought "crusts" according to an advertisement on the post (for example, my second cousin and her husband, middle-aged skakuasy "Maidan", urgently bought themselves "diplomas of the Soviet higher education "before emigrating to the United States - they" jumped "in Kiev with the cherished" mriya "to leave the maid-out" Ukraine "for" AmeriSu "! request ), of course, the "quality of education" has fallen significantly in comparison with the Soviet one - a huge number of incompetent ignoramuses have proliferated, who easily penetrate the "helm of power"!

                At our factory (now he is with his family for permanent residence in Poland, now they are pulling their parents there too), he worked in an engineering position as a "site mechanic", quite intelligent, by nature, a young guy, the same age as "nezalezhnisti", who, after studying in the technical "high", with "crusts", he was not able to simply sketch out the simplest detail and correctly put down the dimensions (which even future workers were taught in Soviet times, in our own factory vocational school, which accepted students after 8 classes - on the basis of the then incomplete secondary education!)!
                So, "whose cow would bellow", "amigo"!
                Adios! hi
                1. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 23 November 2019 20: 55
                  +4
                  I don’t undertake about Ukraine - I do not live there, but there are some observations about Russia, in the early 90s I got carried away with audio-video technology, etc. the so-called level or class of hi-fi, well, periodically I went into my stores of audio, video, household and other equipment, inquire about new products, learn something new from specialists - only my hobby ended quickly enough - I came, something asked - the answer is from the series "now on the site / in the internet I will look", I began to look for those specialists who were before - I managed to find someone, everything is simple - a specialist and requires an appropriate salary, but it turned out to be easier than one specialist with dismiss him with a salary of 40, take in his place two conditional boys from a plow or after a university, not according to the profile, of course, and pay them 15 each, savings = a whole gold piece, well, the numbers are somewhat arbitrary, but the idea, I hope, is clear ...
                2. gunS Offline gunS
                  gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 21: 14
                  -4
                  Quote: pishchak
                  As for the "total ignoramuses in the USSR" - this is just your, I hope, "conscientious (well, you are not a spiteful critic, are you some evil slanderer-anti-Soviet, in fact ??!)" Delusion.

                  This is not a mistake, it is a fact. The USSR was a country of terrible ignorance. Those. many were able to count and write. But most often, this was the limit of education. Almost few people possessed deeper professional skills.
                  And the bloopers of "brilliant Soviet designers", they are quite well-known and obvious.
                  It is understandable. Russia and before the Bolsheviks was not a very educated state. And after the Bolsheviks dealt with the "alien element", only grooms and turners could teach the local people sciences. They taught. With a well-known result. Soviet academicians often knew no more than graduates of Western colleges. And the most advanced, no more than graduates of Western universities.
                3. beeper Offline beeper
                  beeper 23 November 2019 21: 59
                  +1
                  NDA, now I clearly see, "amigo", that you are not pretending, but in fact are sincere in absurd malice! smile
                  Directly "with childish enthusiasm" you are angry in anti-Soviet delusions - are you enjoying your perversions ?! wassat
                4. gunS Offline gunS
                  gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 22: 17
                  -3
                  Quote: pishchak
                  ... angry at anti-Soviet delusions - enjoy your perversions ?!

                  For sectarians, the whole world around them is a world of anti-Soviet fallacies and perversions. It always happens when brains are on one side. The whole world is not keeping up, and only sectarians are keeping up.
                5. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 23 November 2019 23: 03
                  +1
                  Well, not everyone can be sectarians, like you - so your policy of double standards will not work - "we can, but you already won't"))) will not work ...
              3. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 23 November 2019 23: 13
                +2
                Quote: pishchak
                NDA, now I clearly see, "amigo", that you are not pretending, but in fact are sincere in absurd malice! smile
                Directly "with childish enthusiasm" you are angry in anti-Soviet delusions, enjoying your perversions ?! wassat

                In fact, Sake number 2) appeared - the views are almost the same, everything from the USSR is bad and disgusting, but perhaps with a better grammar and a little less nerves, but there are their own peculiarities - about sectarians in almost every post writes)
  • gunS Offline gunS
    gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 39
    -2
    Quote: unholyknight
    That's when this generation will leave, when legal nihilism will be overcome, when a normal civil society will be built

    First you need to build a normal feudal civil society. And then it’s normal bourgeois.
    And without this, nothing will work. Jumping through the steps is possible only in the entrance. In more serious things, this does not happen.

    Quote: unholyknight
    ... because I don’t feel like going back to this feudalism, which was fooling the slaves.

    In fact, "Soviet socialism" was built on the slave-holding TPO. And the construction of feudal TVET is still a promising task for Russia.
  • Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 14: 47
    +3
    ... and over these 20 years, what, changes are not visible? Where was the country and where is it now, don’t you notice ??? Maybe you just wipe your eyes?
  • Alf Offline Alf
    Alf (Vasiliy) 1 December 2019 21: 57
    0
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    But the change of course still took place.

    Which way?

    Quote: Pyshenkov
    Let's hope that it continues further.

    No need, every year it gets worse.
  • Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 17: 08
    -6
    Why didn’t people like you defend the USSR? For example, I worked as a director of a trading company, from the second half of the 80s I realized that the system has outlived itself and it is on the way to natural death. In 87, I quit my post and went to grow watermelons and melons. In 88, I opened a cooperative, bought one truck, by 90 there were already 4 trucks and more than 100 hectares of melons. Therefore, I will thank Gorbachev all my life for giving us Freedom, but not everyone could use this freedom and led the country to collapse. The end of the first series.
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 17: 13
      +2
      I would get up, but there was no order ... Then I got up without an order, but it was too late.

      ... I worked as a director of a trading company.

      - and for me this is already the end of your entire movie ...
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 17: 23
        -7
        And what do you dislike about the director of a trading company? Scourged, probably ...?
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 14: 20
          +3
          No, I didn't scourge ... I just know too well how and who became directors of trade enterprises in the 80s (in the overwhelming majority of cases), as well as how and with what these people lived at that time. And this, by the way, is precisely because of such citizens (not only, of course, but also) that many were dissatisfied with the system, since what should have been on store shelves went to the side and was sold at exorbitant prices "from under the counter ". Maybe you, of course, are a bright exception, but somehow it seems strange to me that this is how someone took it in 1988 and bought a truck, for example ... You, apparently, bought it with the money saved from your salary? ... Or maybe they won the sports lottery? ... Otherwise, where in the USSR does an honest worker get such happiness? ...
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 19 November 2019 07: 23
            +2
            Allah sent him))) - so these guys like to say)
            For the rest, everything is right with you, I wrote about this before ...
      2. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
        unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 01: 52
        -3
        "There was no order" - that was what had to be proved. All that the Soviet system produced were automata waiting for commands. It just turned out that the automata cannot protect this system from themselves. Suddenly, damn it. Everyone was shaking to cover their butt, and now they sluggishly babble excuses "I would have done, but there was no order." Where is the civic position? Where is the position as a military man? Where is the willingness to put everything on the line for the sake of the country and the future? But it was not. There was a desire to transfer responsibility to the senior in rank, and to the senior in rank, in case of failure, to lose even more, he would better shift it to his boss, he is the head, let him think.

        So why be surprised, huh? You are all to blame for the collapse of the country. Every military, every state security officer, every civilian who came to the support of Yeltsin and co. You are all responsible. And it’s time to already accept it, and live with it further.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 16 November 2019 05: 36
          +2
          Read the answer to your opus below) scourges-whistleblowers you, though not ours)
        2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 14: 33
          +3
          Where is the civic position? Where is the military position?

          - you probably do not know, but these two positions are fundamentally different. A person who has weapons, is in the service of the state and has taken an oath, cannot just take this weapon and use it at his own discretion. They shoot for it, and absolutely right. In power structures, the commander is responsible for the subordinates, and he is also responsible. And this is also correct, otherwise it will be gangs, not power structures.
          All that I had to accept and what to live with, I personally have long accepted and live. And the fact that all citizens are to blame for the collapse of the USSR, and not just Gorbachev and Yeltsin, I also understand perfectly.
          And here I personally recommend you to go and put a candle somewhere to God, in gratitude for the fact that then I and those like me did not violate orders and were not involved in arbitrariness. Otherwise, now there simply would not be anyone to write all this nonsense like yours ...
    2. plabu Offline plabu
      plabu 15 November 2019 20: 13
      +3
      Translated into a normal language, you were given the opportunity to speculate UNPUNISHED ...
      Here is what you call freedom (
      1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
        unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 01: 54
        -6
        Yeah, this is another reason for Russia's ills. Envy of successful people. Yes, this is not Steve Jobs, but anyway - a man has achieved success with his own hands where there would have been only a term under the USSR. What's bad about it? Maybe this is not a bad person, but a system that did not take into account the person’s desire for BIGGER than he has now? And as a result, it created a crowd of grayness that suits everything.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 16 November 2019 05: 01
          +6
          And here’s one more reason - I agree with that, but here’s a little about different things: this speculator, speaking the language of that time, simply and stupidly sold from under the floor what he received for sale to everyone - and need to be explained about the price?
          And of course, not to forget - about the collapse of the system, about the fact that he couldn’t live like that anymore) - all this verbal husk is not even a smokescreen, it's just noodles on your ears - you and not only you, but now this character he writes about the USSR many times, as well as about the Russian Federation, that everything is exceptionally bad, but in reality everything is as always - it was, and it is both bad and good, but such characters simply don’t write about good - at all ...
          And about desire - as you wrote, a man of more is the main question - at whose expense? Then all this largely happened due to the fact that those goods that were allocated for sale simply to citizens didn’t reach them stupidly, but such dealers simply resold them - at a price many times higher, and the difference - to themselves, and not only in your pocket ..
          Although now this shopkeeper will pretend here that everything was right, according to the law, and without any violations on his part))) and we kind of believe him))))
        2. gunS Offline gunS
          gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 47
          -2
          Quote: unholyknight
          Yeah, this is another reason for Russia's ills. Envy of successful people.

          Not envy, but wild hatred.
          Though I’m a wretched mind and thumping in 7/24 mode, everyone should be the same as me. This is "Soviet-style justice".
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 23 November 2019 20: 57
            0
            And this one, in 7/24 mode, how long will he live? But when were you interested in such little things, right?)
      2. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 16 November 2019 09: 45
        -4
        Blaming the speculation of the one who raised and sold his labor is a typical loafer and envious person who spent the whole summer rallying about high matters and global politics, but has no means to adequately feed his family! Nobody will take people like you to work, on the field, on melons, because he will not work and will interfere with others, such idlers-throats and ruined the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union was a joy to them, and the protesters were welcomed there. Free enterprise for people like you is poison!
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 16 November 2019 10: 49
          +3
          Free enterprise in your version, at least of that time, is an opportunity not to steal with impunity, no - supposedly quietly to acquire - at state prices, and after that to sell at a market price, it’s so, schematically, you still had options - above the roof , and part of the price difference to share ...
          And they all fell apart just like you - speculators, as you used to say)) now this is all proudly called a businessman)))), although there are exceptions, BUT this is NOT about you ...
      3. gunS Offline gunS
        gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 44
        -3
        Quote: 321
        Translated into a normal language, you were given the opportunity to speculate UNPUNISHED ...
        Here is what you call freedom (

        You at least learn some basics. A man grew melons and sold them.
        Where is the speculation here?
        And it is not necessary to call the "Soviet language" normal.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 23 November 2019 16: 28
          0
          Something bothered you - what was written earlier, to read?
          Do you think that he grew) - it is more likely that this happened differently, and they already wrote about the truck here), read, I remember very well those times ...
          PS What language should I consider normal for myself, so far I can figure it out without anyone's help ...
          1. gunS Offline gunS
            gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 21: 06
            -1
            Quote: 321
            What language should I consider normal for myself, so far I can figure it out without anyone's help ...

            You can not. And this is quite obvious.
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 23 November 2019 21: 59
              0
              You will try to be rude in another place and at another time)))
              Also here "the captain of the evidence" was found))
    3. bonifacius Offline bonifacius
      bonifacius (Alex) 15 November 2019 23: 43
      +5
      In your description of your life of the times of perestroika and acceleration, some clarifications of minor details of being of that time are necessary. They look something like this -

      In the year 87,when on the horizon loomed the term and work on the loggingI quit my post. By that time, the funds acquired by overwork were enough to open a cooperative at a trading enterprise, where I previously worked as a director, ....... Therefore, all my life I will thank Gorbachev for what he gave me Freedom although, according to the law, a decent term was short for me.
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  • A.Lex Offline A.Lex
    A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 11
    +2
    ... the country is destroyed ... the USSR - no ... Russia is just a fragment of that great project .... although the most significant ...
    1. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 49
      -5
      Quote: A.Lex
      the country is destroyed ... the USSR - no ...

      At least one good news.

      Quote: A.Lex
      Russia is just a chip from that great project ...

      Only people who are not quite adequate can call the Soviet trash heap a "great project".
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 18: 03
        +1
        It’s not for you to talk about a country in which you did not live and have no idea what this is about.
  • plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 15 November 2019 20: 11
    +3
    Quote: Sake
    When the word "liberal" is used as an abusive word, everything is clear with this comrade, he is following the payer's instructions or a supporter of the feudal-dictatorial regime ...

    And whose instructions are you following, who is your payer?
    Not a single good word about the USSR or the Russian Federation, but try to present yourself as objectivity - alas, it doesn’t work out for you, at all)
  • plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 15 November 2019 20: 33
    +4
    Quote: Sake
    Don’t lie, there is no such thing in their press or among Europeans, it’s only crazy in the Russian Federation ... what’s characteristic is that you yourself started a war and look for the reason on the other side, typically in Russian!

    Are you expecting to be convinced here? But who needs it - to convince you or to persuade you, look for yourself, there is enough of this "good" ...
    And tell your fables about the outbreak of war to your pets, here they can take your word for it).
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  • Uh Empty - the USSR crumbled because 2 CIA agents came to power - Borek Neprashyuschiy and Teddy Bear.
    And so it would be normal!
  • Roarv Offline Roarv
    Roarv (Robert) 16 November 2019 00: 10
    +4
    If the West, London, Brussels, Washington, etc., we are enemies and ill-wishers ....
    Why is all real estate, assets of deputies, senators, oligarchs, government officials and their children located there in the West ....
    Why do all their children and grandchildren study in the enemy West ???
    Why are all assets withdrawn to western offshore ???
    You spend the social. a survey and research that hinders the development of the economy: our deputies and senators with Cabinet members or the entire structure of NATO and the Pentagon.
    1. S.V.YU Offline S.V.YU
      S.V.YU 16 November 2019 09: 31
      +2
      And because the LISTED by you are themselves ENEMIES of Russia! Well, a fisherman - a fisherman sees from afar! The super-rich have no concept - the motherland!
      1. gunS Offline gunS
        gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 15: 50
        -3
        Quote: S.V.Yu
        The super-rich have no concept - the motherland!

        The abstract concept of homeland does not exist at all. This is a Soviet myth.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 23 November 2019 17: 20
          +2
          For you it’s quite possible, but to judge like that about everyone is superfluous)
          1. gunS Offline gunS
            gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 21: 17
            -2
            Quote: 321
            ... but to judge like that about everyone is superfluous)

            And where is "about all"? There is no such thing, and that there are different kinds of sectans called "Motherland", it does not matter.
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 23 November 2019 21: 50
              0
              And despite the fact that you are trying to pass off your personal and subjective opinion as a rule for everyone, that’s all, your opinion, this is your opinion and NOT more than that), whether you personally like it or not.
              PS And you are not here again mentioning the "sectans", why would it be?)
  • Upmost Offline Upmost
    Upmost (Innocent) 16 November 2019 01: 50
    +5
    Yes, many people want “changes” - it doesn’t matter what specifically, but to be sure “for the better.” This is normal. Here are just once on this our desire has already been played. It was he who was used as a force that destroyed our country and broke the lives of millions of people. Is it worth repeating the mistake? Especially when you consider that this time its price will be even worse.

    The main complaint against Putin is that he did not ensure the restoration of the production economy in Russia.
    A full recovery, and not in snatches, as it takes place to be.
    If the Russian economy was at least a third more powerful, the Western sanctions would hurt the Russian Federation a third more weakly. Etc.
    And as it is, it is not an economy of production, but an economy of numbers.

    They boast of dollars received in the budget.
    Is this right? After all, we are talking about Russia. And here are the dollars?
    Yes, because they are needed to buy everything that is NOT PRODUCED in Russia.
    And here the list is endless.
    Even in the military-industrial complex, the most complex and subtle things (electronics) are bought abroad. Is it normal for a country of this length?

    What then is the greatness of the Russian Federation, if economically it is a pygmy?
    The length of the territory? But here, too, the problem is that most of the territory is not too populated, and the most densely populated is called the "European part of Russia."
    Even on the world map it can be seen that on the left side the territory of the Russian Federation is narrowing, as it were, to fit in with other European countries.
    But then the territory is expanding.
    An association arises that the head (the two largest cities, one of them is the capital) of the Russian Federation is as if with Europe, but the body - as always ...
    It was the same before the revolution, when all the intelligentsia learned foreign languages ​​and lived according to the canons of Europe.
    And what for yourself?

    In this scenario, there are still "vigorous-loaf-scarecrows" (Sarmat, Vanguard, Petrel, Yarsy-Topol, etc.), with which the Russian Federation scares the world.

    But this is also a problem. The old "vigorous-loaf-scarecrows" are becoming obsolete, and it will soon be impossible to extend the service life of such missiles.

    And the new ones will never pass the throw tests. And here "fighting cartoons" come to the rescue….

    No, really, the recipe for building a strong country (and even more so a superpower - and with such an extended territory, Russia simply cannot (has no right!) Not be such) as follows:

    1. (Vos) Creating a strong economy using existing (and considerable) resources. An application for this of all forces and means, and monitoring the implementation of all tasks.
    At the same time, workplaces (rather than trade and intermediary) will arise, and the standard of living and well-being of the population will increase.
    2. As the economy strengthens, the build-up (for Russia - renewal and expansion) of military potential (and this requires the re-creation and development of scientific personnel, because the military-industrial complex is not only machines, but also scientists). So that not only "vigorous-loaf-scarecrows" are available, but also conventional means of protection - ships, submarines, airplanes, missiles for them - all in no less than the NECESSARY quantity. So that the enemy understands that it is better not to run up here, because the rebuff will be overwhelming.
    In addition, conventional means are required in large quantities to constantly demonstrate strength - as the United States does. And to demonstrate it not only on their shores, but also off the shores of the "foe". For he (the adversary) already somehow weakly reacts to the waving of Russia with "vigorous-loaf-scarecrows" from its territory. Here, as they say, once you can take a show-off, and then - nothing.
    3. On the basis of the two previous points, the country will gradually change its image, moving from a "bogeyman-loaf-scarecrow country" to a comprehensively strong and developed state. At least, as was the case with the USSR in its best years.

    Something like that.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 21
      0
      Let's look at this situation:
      Let's take it as an axiom: the head is where the sun rises (i.e. - East). A continent of Eurasia from east to west has the characteristic features of an organism, where the head is the Far East, and the very edge (yes, in principle, the whole of Western Europe), the other part of the body is the priest ... wink laughing
  • Screw Offline Screw
    Screw (Gennady) 16 November 2019 03: 48
    +1
    An interesting debate unfolded - large-caliber blanks and, in turn, from a heavy machine gun (excites, infection).
  • plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 16 November 2019 05: 13
    +2
    Quote: unholyknight
    "There was no order" - that was what had to be proved. All that the Soviet system produced were automata waiting for commands. It just turned out that the automata cannot protect this system from themselves. Suddenly, damn it. Everyone was shaking to cover their butt, and now they sluggishly babble excuses "I would have done, but there was no order." Where is the civic position? Where is the position as a military man? Where is the willingness to put everything on the line for the sake of the country and the future? But it was not. There was a desire to transfer responsibility to the senior in rank, and to the senior in rank, in case of failure, to lose even more, he would better shift it to his boss, he is the head, let him think.
    So why be surprised, huh? You are all to blame for the collapse of the country. Every military, every state security officer, every civilian who came to the support of Yeltsin and co. You are all responsible. And it’s time to already accept it, and live with it further.

    Another whistleblower showed up, and even one that rather weakly represents the essence of the process, but ambition ... everything is as usual - and they did not try to be more modest - with statements - "... everyone was shaking to cover their ass."? In a decent company, you can get hold of it at once, between the ears ...
    And finally - "... everything is at stake", you say? ((
    IF I HAVE ALL DELIVERED TO KON, THEN YOU, AND NOT ONLY YOU, HAS ALREADY BEEN NOT LAST IN THE LIGHT - I served in the Strategic Missile Forces, and, VERY TALKING, SITTED ON THE BIG RED BUTTON, IF THE FIRST TIME IS WORKED?
    Here you have to answer this intellectual question yourself - well, if knowledge allows you, of course.
    So the next "exposure" and nailing "traitors" to the wall, alas, did not take place))
    1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
      unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 13: 23
      -4
      Og, all of you served in the Strategic Rocket Forces. Where were the tankers? Infantry? Gunners? Aviation? Fleet? Where were those who first climbed the revolution in 1917? Where were all these people who were ready to rise to the revolution and throw off the unwanted system, or the arrival of the unwanted to power? Where are the military that dropped the interim government and brought the Bolsheviks to power? And they are all in the land - because the Bolsheviks buried all these passionaries, fearing that they would repeat this all with them. I note - they buried in quality - all these tanks standing in Moscow when the GKChP announced and did nothing - this is shame and shame. Where was the normal military coup? Where are the tanks knocking down the bloody mincemeat of those who decided to support politicians who want to ruin the country? Where is the aviation? Where is the infantry with blows of butt and machine-gun fire, a vivid example of what will happen when you try to go against the authorities?

      And they were all in 1993. On the defense of the Yeltsin regime. Why, I wonder? Why did the army sit on the train ... and expected an order in 1990, but did not hesitate to stand up for the regime in 1993? Oh yes - they were waiting for the order. And they shifted responsibility.

      Guys - of course, sorry, for the rude words, but you are all disgusted. And now you are trying to find an excuse for yourself "lack of order." Because the system did not teach you to think without an order. Because the communist system did not need patriots - they needed submachine guns that could be attached to a gun. True, they missed what will happen if the fish starts to rot from the head ...
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 16 November 2019 15: 13
        +1
        You know, if your brains never worked out, what happens after the red button, then there’s nothing more for me to talk about with you (and your characteristics - who is there and what - do I care what your characteristics are, who you are? )
        Consider further everything that you personally want to count.
        If you have such a perception of all this - these are YOUR PROBLEMS, here you are with them and live as you want!
        1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
          unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 16 November 2019 19: 55
          -2
          Oh ... what's the red button? Without launch codes, this whole rocket is just junk with a nuclear warhead that some Arabs can drive. Have you eaten the fuel pores of your brain? Or did you actually serve in some construction battalion, and now you proudly declare that "you served in the Strategic Missile Forces!"?
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 16 November 2019 21: 02
            +1
            Well, what kind of "pores" you have, I don't know)), and if you decided that I’ll spread all the secrets and secrets here - schaz, I’ll just stroke the laces))) teach materiel until you fail ...
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 24
              +1
              laughing the soul of the "poet" could not stand it - it rolled into insults ... laughing
      2. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 22 November 2019 17: 13
        0
        By the way, until I forgot - at least you find something in Google, how gravy differs from meanness)
        Well, the fact that you want to sell rockets to Arabs has already left for you)))
        1. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
          unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 22 November 2019 19: 50
          0
          Oh, damn it ... 2019 in the yard, threats of the level of the late nineties. An absolute misunderstanding of the context of the phrase - and they are also surprised why I believe that for a normal life in Russia and the formation of a civil society, it is necessary that most of the generation that lived under the USSR die out. And yes - there is no need to look for threats and appeals here, death is the final stage of life and will not pass anyone - neither you, nor me, nor the current president of the Russian Federation or the United States, no one. The process seems to be natural. And sooner or later, everyone who lived under the USSR will die. In some ways the fact is sad, but in some ways it is also positive. Doesn't Brzezinski's death grieve anyone? Me too. But the death of those who lived under the USSR and believed that "the state should do everything, and I can still steal from him", as it were, would not upset me either.
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 22 November 2019 20: 16
            +1
            What are the threats? Not you wrote a little earlier -

            ... Guys - you are, of course, sorry, for the rude words, but you are all too much ...

            - so I wrote about this word - gravy is one thing, but you didn’t write about it, but it is written in a completely different way, and where are the threats?)))
            And you continue to believe that after the generation that has forced the USSR to leave, civil society will form - I have to disappoint you, a completely different substance will form, but you yourself have no idea about this yet, well, there is still time for everything ...
            And do not judge by your own experience who believes what -

            ... he lived under the USSR and believed that "the state should do everything, and I can still steal from him.

            - this is nothing more than personally your ideas, they have nothing to do with mine and did not have ...
            PS I almost forgot - try to turn on a sense of humor)
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  • OlegVP Offline OlegVP
    OlegVP (Oleg) 16 November 2019 13: 46
    +2
    The second restructuring is inevitable. The author of the article, of course, can be understood, but the immoral management that has been going on here since October 1993 has managed to show the economic growth rate above 1,5%. This indicator will not be able to provide Russia with defense capability and maintaining the number of settled population.
    Therefore, the second restructuring is inevitable - the change of the current management model to a highly moral one, which was under Stalin.
    It will be roughly like the October Revolution, which replaced the immoral February revolution. I admit that this time everything will go along the evolutionary path.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 37
      +2
      Under Stalin, too, not everything went smoothly .... General denunciation (who wrote 1,5 million denunciations, did everything appear by itself?), Selfless intervention of illiterate "revolutionaries" (for whom "revolutionary consciousness" is a measure of professionalism), plus everything else shortcomings of the NEWEST system of building the structure of the country (socialist) - the CIVIL WAR, which did not end until the beginning of the Great Patriotic War (what else could you call this whole orgy with repression and lowering the social status of the "former"?) ... The Civil War ended with the beginning of the fighting in 41, where before the Nazi invasion everyone was equal ...
      And the change in the model of building the state (and not the model of government) can be carried out "from above" - ​​there would be a desire and understanding of the situation of the mood of the country's inhabitants (and not individual heaps) from the country's leadership ...
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 19 November 2019 15: 11
        +3
        CIVIL WAR, which did not end until the start of World War II

        - a good phrase. Ambiguous, but good.
        This is someone out there who is constantly talking about how in 1917 the army should have taken sides, etc. etc. I would like to remind them of this. When the army takes sides, it ends with just this. Yes, there also half the army stood on one side, and half on the other. Interestingly, these "smart guys" can imagine the consequences of such a situation in the early 90s ... ???
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 20 November 2019 14: 10
          +3
          I put a plus, but I don't quite agree with you, namesake. After all, all these "struggles" with Trotskyism (which was, in principle, correct), with "evasion", "enemy nation" ... took advantage of the hidden, for the time being, and put everything into motion, using the imperfection of power and the construction of a new type of state (NOBODY and ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD had nothing like this and had no experience) ... And the investigating authorities from where they could gain experience when ALL the past was rejected ... (here is another moment in the piggy bank of reasoning that all the past has been rejected by those , who tried to destroy NEW, but still Russia).
          And the Civil War, combined with foreign intervention against the country, which once again began to build even structures such as state security and counterintelligence, until 1941 was conducted by the encirclement of our country quite definitely .... Sometimes the thought creeps in that with the end of the Great Patriotic War, the Civil War and the AI started with a NEW FORCE ... Which, in the end, led to the collapse of the FIRST experience in building a state of a NEW type ... I hope not the last ...
          The warfare warmed up from outside the borders of the state is nothing but aggression against this state, carried out by other methods. And we all wanted to stop the war by persuasion and diplomacy. NEVER a predator can persuade a victim! Never! Only ... if the victim itself does not become a predator and does not attack. Therefore, all these conversations must be stopped. The indicative execution of the conspirators and their curators over the hill is what can sober up. And the understanding that NOBODY can be untouchable (including in America-England) - it is THIS that can finally become the immunity that will ensure non-interference in the internal affairs of Russia. Only fear of physical destruction THERE understand! And while at our state level they will suckle and breed politicians with THESE, there will be no sense either inside the country or outside.
          Why, you ask? But everything is just very - WE DECLARED THE WAR FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF NOT THE STATE, AND THE PEOPLE! And the first experiment was HB with intervention. After all, if there had not been the interference of foreign states in the GV of Russia, they would not have survived for six months! After all

          War is money, money, and again, money !!!

          Therefore, when they declare a total war, you must respond accordingly! And do not deliver the snot on a plate!
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 20 November 2019 14: 34
            +1
            I agree with absolutely everything. Only I did not quite understand, in turn, what do you disagree with me? It seems that I did not even touch on any basic principles there. I am simply outraged that here some are mumbling about how the army did not stand up to defend the USSR, why they did not violate the order and did not go out to defend their "civil position", etc. In my opinion, those who write this do not understand at all:
            a) what then happened in the country,
            b) what is the army and other power structures and
            c) what a bloody mess it could have ended in the early 90s, if at least part of the armed forces of the USSR really, in violation of orders and chain of command, suddenly decided to act "in accordance with civil position", as often happens in various underdeveloped states. ..
            I just remember all this very well, and therefore I am aware of how it could end in the worst case. I remember what moods there were in the country in general and in the army in particular - and the moods were MUCH different, so even if you received a certain order, it was not a fact that everyone would fulfill it. And this split already in the army is a terrible thing! But not fulfilling an order that you consider criminal or at least not sure of its adequacy is still one thing, but leaving your subordination on your own and starting to do something using entrusted weapons and equipment is another. Although one and the other, from an army point of view, is a crime. Therefore, I personally, thinking about it now, soberly, even glad that there was no such order. Most of the people THEN really believed that the changes that were taking place were only for the better, so it’s far from the fact that even if they tried to stop all THIS with the help of the army, this would save the country. Rather, on the contrary, it would be even worse.
            Then I already saw with my own eyes what this all leads to, though, thank God, on the scale of certain individual republics, and not the whole of the USSR ...
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 32
              0
              The namesake, regarding my disagreement: with only one thing - about the ambiguity of the phrase. And so - yes.
      2. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 19 November 2019 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: A.Lex
        Under Stalin, too, not everything went smoothly .... General denunciation (who wrote 1,5 million denunciations, did everything appear by itself?), Selfless intervention of illiterate "revolutionaries" (for whom "revolutionary consciousness" is the measure of professionalism) ...

        My grandfather told me how often this happened, but when it was bursting, if you can, of course, be called that) - put out the lights and drain the water, although I was still a kid then, but I remembered a lot, now he met even after the 20th congress pre-war acquaintance, albeit in a cap, but still - and he served in the organs before the war, and the very ones - here they met with their grandfather, found where to sit and sat, sat in Russian, and that grandfather told me that after many authors of denunciations were summoned to the authorities and not that they were tortured there) which, it was enough A renewed louder and the author begins to tell why he wrote his accusation - one room in a communal apartment who position at work, and there were many such second ((
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 20 November 2019 13: 49
          +2
          Exactly! In most of our troubles, we are to blame, sometimes ourselves. Including, and in the collapse of the USSR. Did not go out. They didn’t protect, they believed those who poured into our ears from screens and pages, hoping that the STATE CANNOT lie at all .... Forgetting that the state can not keep track of everything, although it is obliged! And the sober-minded public should ALWAYS be on the alert - anyone can get into power (which has happened to us all), and then everything can slip into a terrible chernukha and banditry ...
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 20 November 2019 15: 08
            +1
            To say that they are completely innocent - that probably will be wrong, but our role is far from decisive - hung noodles fairly well, yes, and who then could understand that this is done for a reason - it’s, of course, very simplified, but something like that, and already wrote here - at that time there were not too many questions for me, the army was OUT of politics, it, in principle, should NOT fight with the people, at all ...
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 35
              0
              I did not say that at all. But our determining role in that time is definitely - our gullibility (which is synonymous with gullible stupidity).
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 26 November 2019 13: 05
                +1
                I disagree about the "defining" one, and even about gullible gullibility - this, in my opinion, is incorrectly said, but about credulity - who then could have known that if an official today tells one thing, and after some time is completely different, there are many such examples, from the top to the very bottom ...
                but this is my opinion, and I’m not going to impose it on anyone.
          2. unholyknight Offline unholyknight
            unholyknight (UnhloyKnight) 22 November 2019 19: 54
            0
            Well yes. Guilty, including those who did not come out. But here the degree of guilt should be reduced - who, as it were, from generation to generation, has carefully taken the initiative from the civilian population through the mechanism of repression? Who studiously, either in the bud, strangled those who took the initiative, or included them in the ranks of the Communist Party, where everything was safely dying in bureaucracy and constant coordination? Who taught that you need to trust the state in everything and always? But it was the whole state and party. Because it’s so convenient - it’s convenient to rule the crowd, which will nod their heads and tick off where they are told to do it. They just didn’t envisage that people in the ruling ranks would have to recruit people from the same place, out of the people propagandized by generations of propaganda. So it turned out that no one came to the defense of the USSR, but took to the streets in 93 when it suddenly became clear to everyone what they had signed up for, but it was too late. The military position woke up among the military as well, and quite clearly - they carried out the orders of those who paid them, and the Yeltsin clique had the money. From there and the shooting of the White House.
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 22 November 2019 20: 29
              0
              Shortly - about the shooting of the white house, try searching in the internet, how it all ended for the shooters, I somehow stumbled upon such info, but quite a while, it's all very dark there, look ...
              And as for the military position, our NS briefly formulated it:

              So that no one comes closer to 500 meters to the CPU, with any slogans and posters, to the door about what these slogans will be, at least for, at least against.
            2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 39
              0
              UnhloyKnight, well, yes, well, yes ... and the "party" is aliens from Mars, not from the same people ...

              I'm happy to deceive myself!

              (although Pushkin said this about love ...)
      3. gunS Offline gunS
        gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 22: 26
        -3
        Quote: A.Lex
        ... plus all the other shortcomings of the NEWEST system of building the country's structure (socialist)

        Newest?
        The Soviet Union under Dzhugashvili was built on the principle of one large manor house of serfdom. With one master and slaves of different significance levels. Nothing new, quite archaic and inefficient management system. Which quite expectedly collapsed later.

        Quote: A.Lex
        The GV ended with the start of the fighting in 41, where before the Nazi invasion they were all equal ...

        Those. you don’t know on whose side in the course of 2MB Russians, Ukrainians, Cossacks, etc. fought?
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 52
          +1
          The question of TRAITORS in the Russian Federation has been resolved a long time ago - THEY ARE TRADERS.
          And on the first question, we all know perfectly well. With whose voice do you sing ?! Let's not convict you of working for another state, with well-known structures? Or are you a lover of crap - out of a love of art?
  • nemoXX Offline nemoXX
    nemoXX 16 November 2019 19: 22
    -1
    History is known to repeat itself!
    1st time - Tragedy, 2nd time - Pharsis.
    It was 1905 with the first attempt at self-destruction of Russia and was 1 when it succeeded.
    A wild and embittered society did not draw any conclusions, having spent the 20th century looking for and killing "enemies of the people" instead of solving real problems.
    As a result, the "people" disappeared catastrophically, and the enemies came to the point of hopelessness of any "victory".
    The com problems are growing, like 100 years ago.
    They are traditionally ignored or sabotaged: the authorities - and so well, the people - are already bad.
    So, we will wait for a "farce": 1991 was not the "end", but only the beginning of the end.
    2nd "1905", so to speak ... did not decide anything and did not suit anyone.
    And the attack of self-beating and self-destruction due to "broken patience", which traditionally replaces the patient construction of a normal life and the development of the country in Russia, is still ahead.
    2nd "1917", so to speak ...
  • Radikal Offline Radikal
    Radikal 16 November 2019 20: 10
    +3
    Quote: Sake
    What nonsense! You can tell this to the youngsters who did not find that time. The Union itself drove itself into an economic hole by butting with the Western world! All kinds of "brothers", where the overwhelming majority were just dodgers, savages and cannibals, siphoned off the bulk of the country's resources, in fact, the KGB carried cash bucks in suitcases to savage countries to support their trousers (which were stolen), and the navy brought them weapons to maintain wars, and all this due to the fact that the regime robbed the peoples of the USSR! The Afghan adventure has driven a nail into the coffin of the USSR!
    A separate topic is the collapse of the Russian economy. Here, too, the main characters were home-grown thieves who took over all state assets, subsoil, financial resources. Blaming the West for this is completely absurd; it makes no difference to them who to buy from. And in the West it is more reliable to store the stolen than in the East, let them try to store the stolen goods in China, in Thailand or in another country, there they will definitely remain without the stolen and even without a head.
    And finally, and who has been ruling thieves' streams for more than 20 years?

    "Echo of Washington in Moscow" has heard enough, or the elder Chubais, u ... mnik? sad
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 18 November 2019 13: 38
      +2
      Radical, rather - both together.
    2. Vic1954 Offline Vic1954
      Vic1954 (Vyacheslav) 23 November 2019 10: 01
      +1
      Well, I lived in the Union and I will say that you are talking nonsense!
      And it was thanks to such idiots that a handful on the Maidan also sold the country - a parrot of Western propaganda.
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 54
        0
        Glory when you answer someone - write a name. And it’s not clear how to react to you ...
  • businessv Offline businessv
    businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 21: 19
    +2
    What is unpleasantly annoying regarding the Warsaw gathering is not just the participation of Polish officials, including the head of the Foreign Ministry there, Jacek Chaputovic ...

    It should not even strain it, but just soothe it! good If all the clappers gathered in Warsaw act as a single Russophobian system, then this only means what it means - they are enemies of Russia and they must be treated accordingly - like enemies!
  • Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 16 November 2019 23: 43
    0
    Why is everyone so afraid of the "West"? It is run by completely stupid people. To resist and destroy Russia, first of all it was necessary to introduce an economic blockade and not buy oil and gas. Secondly, do not give loans. Third, do not sell equipment and technology. Fourth, do not sell military equipment and technology.
    All this has not been done, how they are going to fight Russia is incomprehensible.
    1. Vic1954 Offline Vic1954
      Vic1954 (Vyacheslav) 23 November 2019 10: 04
      +1
      Yes, I agree, you need to be much more afraid of scum, like Navalny - but the West supplies them !!!
      You need to chop the head - the tails themselves fall off!
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 23 November 2019 11: 55
        -3
        Yes Yes Yes. Not all sorts of Zakharchenko with stolen billions destroy Russia, but Navalny with FBK, who received 140 thousand rubles from Spain. I completely agree.
        1. plabu Offline plabu
          plabu 23 November 2019 21: 05
          +2
          Only between them there is, well, a very small difference - Zakharchenko is sitting, but another?
          PS And now, all, all revenues are only 140 thousand and limited?
          I'm not sure, I, there were times, I read Novaya Gazeta, waited for the new issue with impatience, until by chance, on the train, I met, well, we’ll write a person who worked there, and not a week, so he told, and with examples and details , who and in what quantities sent money there, relatively speaking, but as you understand, "who dines a girl, he dances her" ...
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 23 November 2019 23: 50
            -1
            The country is large, you can’t transplant all colonels. Is there any other information about Navalny’s financing? The Ministry of Justice has already made similar decisions on it? It has long been suspected that Miller has a cunning plan, financing the Echo of Moscow.
            I don’t know who the new one is dancing there, but at work I ran into officials, so 30% is not a rollback at all. 50% is quite normal practice, and met 70%.
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 24 November 2019 08: 58
              +2
              They will not be transplanted everyone, but after all, they are imprisoned, both regularly and not in terms of some kind of company - like "today we plant ... colonels, tomorrow ... generals, the day after tomorrow we have marshals" ...
              But about kickbacks - this is a problem, but how to solve it, we do not know not only me and you, but others also do not know yet ...
              1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 24 November 2019 11: 50
                0
                I do not know. Won Tkachev, while he was governor of the Krasnodar Territory, his 19-year-old niece became a dollar billionaire. And nothing, he became a minister. Or Serdyukov, they even got to his mistress, but at least something for him. His minister was appointed because of the father of his wife, and was fired because he had a mistress, and not because of theft.
                As for the kickbacks, in some Finland, Norway, Canada or South Korea, the problem was mainly solved, but in Russia, do some kind of wrong people live? There, even in Georgia, police corruption was reduced by an order of magnitude. There is no political will to fight corruption.
                1. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 24 November 2019 12: 00
                  +1
                  I basically agree, but besides what S. was fired for, what you wrote probably also played a role, but NOT the main one, the main thing was different there ...
                  1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 24 November 2019 23: 34
                    0
                    So, I believe that the country is hurt a hundred times more by thieving and incompetent elites than any of Navalny's there (regardless of whether it is financed by contributions from Russian citizens or from secret CIA accounts).
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 02
                      +1
                      Oleg, incompetence is one thing, betrayal of the elites is another, but Navalny is one who, without hiding, takes Western money, posing as a fighter against corruption, helping her in everything!
                      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
                        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 27 November 2019 14: 45
                        0
                        Did I miss something? Where, when did Bulk take money and even openly? How does Bulk help corruption? It’s a pity, he is not a Jew, then everything would have fallen into place.
            2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 58
              0
              Oleg, the trial is in Navalny ...
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 12: 56
        +1
        Vyacheslav, as long as they have performers like Navalny, you can safely work. But when the type of Mishka is marked, who "with good intentions" is destroying the country - tady OH !!!
  • Don36 Offline Don36
    Don36 (Don36) 17 November 2019 00: 28
    +5
    Judas Gorbachev should not be allowed into the Russian Federation at all, it is an enemy of the people and the state! Now let him be satisfied with his fascist perestroika in the USA!
  • fevralsk.morev.75 (Sergey Morev) 18 November 2019 11: 17
    +2
    The current pluto-kleptocratic regime has driven the people to poverty. There is no country development perspective. The economy is built according to the scheme: to extract-export-sell-money to offshores. For all the clumsy show-off, the superpowers are pumping money out of the people. So they scare them with marginalized people in the form of some kind of liberal opposition; the candidate has no chance of winning the sympathy of the people. Screams “do you want it like in Ukraine?” Do not work. We got Gorbach's perestroika from the archive.
  • Vic1954 Offline Vic1954
    Vic1954 (Vyacheslav) 23 November 2019 09: 57
    +1
    The article is very correct, but in connection with this the question arises - why will not Judas be called and recognized Judas? For much less in the West they plant right away, but do we have museums, such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin, do they set up museums, preserve their summer cottages, give them protection, is it not a small lifelong maintenance?
    Because in the Duma, the followers are only waiting for Putin to leave and you can continue to rob?
  • Radikal Offline Radikal
    Radikal 23 November 2019 12: 52
    0
    Quote: Vic1954
    The article is very correct, but in connection with this the question arises - why will not Judas be called and recognized Judas? For much less in the West they plant right away, but do we have museums, such as Gorbachev and Yeltsin, do they set up museums, preserve their summer cottages, give them protection, is it not a small lifelong maintenance?
    Because in the Duma, the followers are only waiting for Putin to leave and you can go on robbing?

    Museums, cottages, security - to whom do they owe all this? winked
  • gunS Offline gunS
    gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 14: 12
    -2
    It is not entirely clear why and why a "second perestroika" should happen in Russia?
    And what did the first perestroika have to do with the demise of the USSR?
    Homegrown runet authors habitually confuse cause and effect.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 04
      0
      Hans, nobody confuses anything - it seems to you. Everyone knows everything here and understands perfectly. And ask questions.
  • plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 23 November 2019 16: 09
    +1
    ... and this external and internal abomination sleeps and sees Russia in ruins!

    But what for the abomination is it necessary? What will she have from this?

    And to think for yourself? Well, or something at least more or less scientific to read? Not?
    1. gunS Offline gunS
      gunS (gunS) 23 November 2019 22: 46
      -3
      Quote: 321
      Well, or something at least more or less scientific to read?

      Soviet scientific does not happen.
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 24 November 2019 08: 53
        0
        But not the Soviet that does not allow you to find?
        And the quote where I wrote about the Soviet, is it possible?)
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 10
        +1
        Hans, well, not Soviet ... Whose? American? Or maybe "Ukrainian"? Or maybe - echo-rain-memorial-new newspaper -... (and so on, so on ...) ???
        Well, we don’t need to completely disrespect us like that ... Otherwise, you can get the opposite characteristic ...

        Everything that Pravda newspaper wrote about the West turned out to be true!
  • Alien on this holiday of life 24 November 2019 07: 10
    +3
    The Russian Federation is likely to be killed not by America or the West, but by the thieves who steers in the Kremlin and eats up the country and population at an accelerated pace. The author compares the USSR and the current Russian Federation. The USSR was constantly building something at a gigantic pace and volume, the current Russian Federation lives in a nipple system, eating up the Soviet infrastructure inheritance, and directing most of the income from the sale of natural resources to the consumption of a handful of families.
    The West is actually quite satisfied with this process of self-devouring. In this state of affairs, our country will have a cord for natural reasons, for example, when profitable oil fields are depleted in 5-10 years and the income from the sale of oil drastically collapses. And no America will play a major role here. The main role will be played exclusively by the current government, which eats away the country as a locust.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 26 November 2019 13: 11
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      ... Russia can be ruined only by one thing - the indifference of its inhabitants ...
  • Port Offline Port
    Port 26 November 2019 17: 28
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    Quote: Sake
    will be judged as war criminals!

    You don’t take much on yourself? And if they judge you, this option is more believable.
  • Rusa Offline Rusa
    Rusa 29 November 2019 17: 00
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    The main thing is to start the process of the collapse of the country.

    Of course. And who allowed the collapse of the USSR? Authorities in the Kremlin and in the field. Similarly in the Russian Federation.
    The fish rots from the head, fact. And it is useless to hope for a simple population, which over the past 20 years has become worse off than in the USSR. Political power in Russia is of an oligarchic type, while there is no social justice, the gap between rich and poor is astronomical, and economic development is at zero. You won’t be fed up with the calls and chatter in the media.
    Without Stalin, the process will not work: the fifth column, the media and the oligarchs will surrender the country at an opportunity. Therefore, it is urgent to change the system and the Constitution.