Having received the brand new Su-30СМ, Lukashenko was not satisfied


Listening to the report of Chairman of the State Border Committee Anatoly Lappo and Secretary of State for the Security Council Stanislav Zasy on the interaction of Belarus and Russia in border issues, Alexander Lukashenko expressed dissatisfaction with the high cost of the latest Russian weapons.


According to the Belarusian president, for the fact that the republic carries out the function of protecting Russia on the western borders, Moscow could make concessions in matters of cost and supply of modern weapons.

He noted that the military of the Armed Forces of Belarus are able to use modern weapons no worse than the Russian military, and the republic is forced to pay "colossal money" for these weapons.

Also, the Belarusian leader was indignant at the statement of individual Russian media and government officials that the republic was allegedly “a kettlebell on Russia's feet”.

Recall that yesterday, two multi-purpose Su-30SM fighters from twelve purchased from Russia, which the republic should receive, arrived at the airport in Baranavichy.

In addition to combat aircraft, the Belarusian military also needs radar systems, small arms, spare equipment and accessories for anti-aircraft, missile and radar weapons, as well as armored and aviation technology.
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 14 November 2019 17: 31
    +3
    Alexander Lukashenko expressed dissatisfaction with the high cost of the latest Russian weapons.

    This is at preferential prices, almost at cost. belay But Father was also dissatisfied that "not all citizens of third countries freely cross the Belarusian-Russian border." And who knows who he lets in? Then he himself canceled the visas, they say, go, dear guests, whoever and wherever you want, even to Kamchatka. fellow All sorts of Polish vice-premieres come to visit them, and it does not matter that they are on the black list. And he doesn’t like that on the border the trucks are gutted with the gifts of the Belarusian land, with jamon, apples, lobsters. sad Here is such a guardian of the portal - the border on the castle, soldier just give it all for free. repeat
  2. Sergey39 Offline Sergey39
    Sergey39 (Sergei) 14 November 2019 18: 05
    +2
    Yes, it was possible and not to buy at all. They offered to place the Russian air base? He refused. Now let him have the same thing for his money.
    1. commbatant Offline commbatant
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 22
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      Yes, it was possible and not to buy at all.

      Quote: Sergey39
      Now let him have the same thing for his money.

      Quietly, the purchase of aircraft is carried out on credit and in batches ...

      According to the manager of one of the UAC companies, The cost of 12 Su-30SM for Belarus is about $ 600 million. Upon delivery of aircraft Russian loans will be used, the supply rate will not be too high so as not to create an unnecessary burden on the budget - about four cars a year.

      https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/06/20/695248-belorussiya-zakupila-istrebitelei
    2. commbatant Offline commbatant
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 28
      +3
      The most interesting thing is that RB is not needed from the word at all, heavy fighters, to cover such a small territory it is enough to have light MiG-29s ...
  3. AICO Offline AICO
    AICO (Vyacheslav) 14 November 2019 18: 16
    +2
    SHO! - Again ?! But when will you get drunk ?! Such defenders will be left without port, and there is no need for attackers !!!
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  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 14 November 2019 20: 43
    0
    Putin has already offered Erdogan S-57! You have to be honest with your ally! Or do you think that Lukashenko is blind and deaf? On trade with Belarus, Russia has a plus of $ 4 billion, and do you think this is for nothing? Therefore, Lukashenko is somewhat right.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 14 November 2019 21: 04
      +1
      Therefore, Lukashenko is somewhat right.

      What, for example? smile And what does Erdogan have to do with it?
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 14 November 2019 22: 30
        -3
        ... it’s there today, probably, a colleague’s steel digested again and escaped like milk from a saucepan, so it didn’t work to cast an underwater-based "Es-57" from it, which he wanted to exchange wholesale for Belarusian freshwater shrimps and potato Jamon. And Putin's dishonest ally Erdogan imposed a complete embargo on any sanctions on the Belarusian-Turkish border for a bribe of 4 billion Belarusian dollars, thinking that Lukashenka is blind and deaf and would not notice anything. And he took it and was indignant at all this ... So somehow, apparently, everything turned out. That is, Stalevar is completely right, that in some ways, therefore, Lukashenka is also right ...
        I hope I have clearly explained to you the train of thought of a colleague from the foundry? wink
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 15 November 2019 09: 09
          -1
          I hope I have clearly explained to you the train of thought of a colleague from the foundry?

          Thanks. It is clear enough. I was going to write an answer, looked, and here almost everything is said. Small addition. Lukashenka has the opportunity to agree on a status above the Federal District and not be part of Russia. But this is not the point, in fact, one and the same, only called in a different way. Another thing is more important, Belarus is a small country, its capabilities are not enough for independent sustainable economic development. We'll have to choose which shore to nest. There are two options - to break the partition and live in a common house with us, or to build a path to Europe. Here options are possible, rather, the Moldavian way, or the Ukrainian one. But Father can easily go for it, just to sit in the office. And to the ardent defenders of "Slavic Erdogan" there is an offer, I give you the plus sign here, and you share your real salary with me. good This is about the same approach to alliance.
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 10: 15
            +2
            Everything is correct. This "partition" is already breaking down and so gradually, I would say that today it still exists purely nominally. Since I have a very good attitude towards Belarus and its population, I hope that both sides (leaders) have enough intelligence and patience to bring it all to the end, because the peoples, or rather the people, are one, both Russian and Belarusian, I have been ready for this for a long time ... We lived the whole history together, God forbid everything will remain so ...
            1. commbatant Offline commbatant
              commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 12: 58
              +4
              Quote: Pyshenkov
              They lived the whole story together, God forbid, everything will remain ...

              About the Ukrainian people also once said ....
              Belarus is already more than a 1/4 century independent state, respectively, and it should be treated as an INDEPENDENT state, which has its own interests, which may not coincide with the Russian ones, hence the Russian Federation should have pragmatism in relations with the Republic of Belarus. ...
              1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 13: 53
                +3
                ... they still say so about the Ukrainian people. But Belarus, fortunately and, by the way, thanks to Lukashenka, did not slip into Bandera and Russophobia, unlike Ukraine. Therefore, in no case should we or the Belarusians allow this gap. You need to collect the Great Country back! And all these tales about "independence" and "a separate state" are propaganda for the stupid people who are trying to do it, and an attempt to hammer an absolute lie into the heads of people. There is no independence, there has never been and never will be. The question is simply who to join - either back to really their own people, located beyond artificially created borders, or to where the Ukrainians and Belarusians are needed only as a cheap and powerless labor force ...
                1. commbatant Offline commbatant
                  commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 16
                  +2
                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  ... they still say so about the Ukrainian people. But Belarus, fortunately and, by the way, thanks to Lukashenka, did not slip into Bandera and Russophobia, unlike Ukraine. Therefore, in no case should we or the Belarusians allow this gap. You need to collect the Great Country back! And all these tales about "independence" and "a separate state" are propaganda for the stupid people who are trying to do it, and an attempt to hammer an absolute lie into the heads of people. There is no independence, there has never been and never will be. The question is simply who to join - either back to really their own people, located beyond artificially created borders, or to where the Ukrainians and Belarusians are needed only as a cheap and powerless labor force ...

                  And what, without joining it is impossible? The beneficiaries of the Union were clearly anyone, but not the Russians ... (even in the war-torn Donbass, you will not see black log huts with a rickety fence, without gas and running water). Should we create a "prison of peoples" again? The former Ukrainian SSR and BSSR have chosen their own path by proclaiming the Declaration of Independence, fulfilling such a right provided for by the Constitution of the USSR ...
                  These states (like other former republics of the Union) show no desire for unification, and some even left the CIS (Georgia), which have a controversial status in the CIS (Ukraine, did not sign the CIS Charter) and the CSTO (Uzbekistan) ....
                  I must note that Ukraine, like the Baltic countries, did not participate in the all-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR, but, having carried out its own with shouts and hooting (along with the Russian-speaking population), they decided the issue of independence from the Union ...
                  The Russian-speaking population of the above-mentioned republics chose their path 1/4 of a century ago, why does the Russian Federation need this Russian-speaking population today, even if it remains in its independent states ...
                  1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 14: 36
                    +2
                    I don't know if you even remember how the USSR collapsed, who really wanted it, what percentage of the population "hooted", and what percentage of the population looked at it all with tears, not understanding at all what was happening, and what then happened to the Russians in the overwhelming most of these newly "independent" states. Huts without gas and running water have been and are in Ukraine, including the western one and in Transcarpathia, and in Belarus, you see, you haven't traveled around the Union much, if you write that. As for the choice of the path - yes, many people also supported "perestroika", and all these changes. People did not really understand what was happening and what it would lead to, they stuck their brains in propaganda, and as a result the country collapsed. Thank God Russia itself did not collapse, although there were attempts. The Russian Federation itself is an even more multinational entity than the USSR was, which is also a "prison of peoples" ??? Need to scatter among the "independent states"? How was the once strong and truly independent Yugoslavia, from which only helpless pimples were left on the map according to the same scheme?
                    We are really INDEPENDENT and strong can only be when we are all together, can it really not work for you? In the West, that’s all come to a long time ago, that's why they are trying to break up and pull apart from each other!
                    1. commbatant Offline commbatant
                      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 49
                      +1
                      We are really INDEPENDENT and strong can only be when we are all together

                      The Russian Federation has already proved that it can be an independent and superpower without "breadwinners", but the "breadwinners" somehow failed to become self-sufficient states (except Azerbaijan and the Republic of Kazakhstan, and then only in economic terms) .. ..
                      The USSR was falling apart before my eyes ....

                      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 15: 40
                        +1
                        Well, if it was falling apart before your eyes and you were of a conscious age, so how can you write this nonsense about the "prison of peoples" and who was happy and what? Then the overwhelming majority of people did not even understand what was happening and where everything would lead. And after all, everyone really believed in sincere friendship with the West, in an increase in prosperity, in the end of international tension, if the troops of the USSR withdraw from Afghanistan and Europe, in general disarmament, etc. and the like ... Believed. But now it is clear, I hope, even stupid, who, how and why we were so masterfully "thrown" into this! I don't know where this video was filmed, because then, for example, in Kiev, there were practically no people on the street who spoke Ukrainian, they spoke exactly the same as in Moscow and Leningrad, and these people, rather all, typical at that time "Ukrainians", quite sincerely could THEN think so. BUT how can you say anything else about some kind of independence NOW? After all this? Which of the former republics of the USSR is really independent? The Baltic States simply changed owners for those that are historically more familiar to them. Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are still on the Soviet development of raw materials, so there is money, but Turkey or Iran have a little bit of it, I'm not talking about China at all, and where is their independence, independence? There is no point in talking about the rest ...
                        And the Russian Federation - yes, it is still a Great Power, only thanks to the fact that they came to their senses in time, and FORCE was not allowed to break it into "independent states", but the Russian Federation now, with all its greatness, is only a shadow of the Soviet Union, its military strength, economic potential and position in the world.
                        The principle of "divide and rule" is very old, and all our enemies are trying to use it, and now they are pulling all the former republics away from themselves by all means just for this. And Russia, if it wants to remain a superpower, should not look at all this, but actively drag it back, and with the same force. Otherwise, you can clearly see what is happening even with the closest peoples, if you leave them alone with their newly acquired "independence", and how this directly threatens Russia itself ...
                      2. commbatant Offline commbatant
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 16: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Then really the vast majority of people did not even understand what was happening and what it would lead to. And after all, everyone really believed in sincere friendship with the West, in increasing prosperity, at the end of international tension, if the Soviet troops withdraw from Afghanistan and Europe, in general disarmament, etc. etc ... They believed.

                        In parallel with the collapse of the Union, ATS and CMEA broke up, a civil war broke out in the FRY, both Germany united (where in the East, everyone also wanted freebies, and most importantly, to eat rags), ethnic conflicts began on the territory of the Union itself, to believe the West with all this this was already silly then, because by the example of the countries of Eastern Europe it was already possible to understand how the whole Sabbath would end ....

                        Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan They are still sitting on the Soviet developments of raw materials, so there is money, but a little get on them turkey ...

                        These are all Turkic-speaking states ....
                        Iran will not attack Azerbaijan, because will quarrel with its only strategic ally of the Russian Federation, and Russia will not give up the Russian Federation just like that, the Russian Federation is simultaneously dependent on Iran, with the fact that Iran is the only communication to Armenia ...

                        And Russia, if it wants to remain a superpower, should not look at all this, but actively drag it back

                        Why the hell did all these "breadwinners" surrender to me, they will blackmail me by joining NATO, they will lose part of the territories, for example, Georgia and Ukraine ...
                      3. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 16: 18
                        +1
                        And that's why they surrendered, so as not to be blackmailed, being of the "independent" type - the republics of the USSR could not join NATO, the federal districts of the Russian Federation also cannot. laughing
                        You yourself said the most important thing about Iran and Turkey - they do not touch these "independent" states only for fear of falling out with the Russian Federation. That is, we cover them anyway, despite the fact that we do not know what to expect from them in their "independence"! That is why it is necessary to take all this under complete control. There have never been any special problems with the peoples, but these "elites", emerging like foam from soup, at the moment of boiling up independence and thinking exclusively about their own interests, must be collected and thrown away, just like this foam ... And there will be order - clean and clear broth. wink
                        And you are right about grub and rags, but we could hardly use the example of Eastern Europe - there, almost everything happened exactly the same and at the same time, but in a milder form ... And only because we are the same all this was allowed. Now they also scratch their turnips, they understand that they have lost, but it's too late ... But, unlike Russia and the USSR, they were never great. But we don't want to go from princes to dirt.
                      4. commbatant Offline commbatant
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 16: 23
                        +1
                        That is why it is necessary to take all this under complete control. There have never been any special problems with the peoples.

                        Only these peoples lived better than in the RSFSR .... why do I need these parasites, there are quite enough subsidized regions of the Russian Federation, which somehow need to be developed, they are somehow closer to me than the "brotherly" peoples of the Union ...
                      5. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 16: 35
                        +3
                        Well do not! You say that the Union remember ... Everywhere was different. I do not say that the USSR was an ideal state education - if it were, it would not have collapsed. But everyone lived, in principle, in different ways and it is impossible to say that republics are better than the Russian Federation, although politics and subsidies were indeed distributed unevenly. But in Russia, for example, the Krasnodar Territory lived cooler than Ukraine, Western Ukraine and Belarus were worse than the European part of the Russian Federation, Georgia and Armenia boomed at that time, but they have climate-gold, and in Russia there are vast territories where often there is neither water nor gas Neither electricity nor a road can be reached. Central Asia - the people are poor, only bosses, etc. And who wanted and was ready to strain, and it’s true, he could earn money and decently live anywhere.
                        You yourself say that in the Russian Federation there are subsidized regions, that - maybe it is better to drive them out too? You just have to learn from mistakes. Disintegration and dispersion in different directions is not an option. All empires became great only by collecting land, and not vice versa.
                      6. commbatant Offline commbatant
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 17: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        All empires became great, only collecting land, and not vice versa.

                        The USSR is the Empire, on the contrary, where the outskirts lived at the expense of the Metropolis, I do not need such happiness, in any case, not at my expense ...
                        It is one thing to invest in Dagestan or the Penza region, another thing is to Ukraine or Belarus ....
                      7. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 17: 16
                        0
                        ... and how are they, by and large, different?
                      8. commbatant Offline commbatant
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 17: 58
                        0
                        Weird question. Dagestan or the Penza region are PART OF RUSSIA .....
                      9. businessv Offline businessv
                        businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 14: 08
                        -1
                        Quote: commbatant
                        Dagestan or the Penza region are PART OF RUSSIA .....

                        And in the Union, Russia was part of the country, like all republics.
                      10. commbatant Offline commbatant
                        commbatant (Sergei) 16 November 2019 17: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: businessv
                        And in the Union, Russia was part of the country, like all republics.

                        Yes, I do not care about ALL republics of the Union, except for the RSFSR, and now the Russian Federation ...
                    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 14: 07
                      0
                      But you, if I understand correctly, do not want to see Ukraine and Belarus as parts of one country, just because they would be "subsidized" ... Dagestan, by the way, also almost separated, or rather, they tried to separate it, order by force brought ...
                2. businessv Offline businessv
                  businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 14: 06
                  0
                  Quote: commbatant
                  The USSR is the Empire, on the contrary, where the outskirts lived at the expense of the Metropolis, I do not need such happiness, in any case, not at my expense ...

                  You, colleague, IMHO are not very well versed in the economy in general and in the internal structure of the USSR in particular. There was even enough funds in the budget of the USSR to support African satellites, and you talk about the Union republics as colonies, since you applied the definition of the Metropolis. In fact, there was mutual assistance and there was a planned movement of goods from the excess region to the region of shortage, there was free movement of people throughout the Union and the countryside, they lived everywhere normally, in any republic. So, do not feed another myth, colleague, this thankless job! hi
                3. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 16 November 2019 15: 45
                  +4
                  About Africa in those days, he was not particularly interested, and he was engaged in something else, but about the fact that the movement was planned - the movement is quite possible, BUT the supply of different territories, regions and republics was carried out in different ways, more precisely, in different categories, Moscow, Peter and the republics of the Baltic states - this is one thing, but Penza or Orenburg - quite another, although a little later, he was told by an uncle who, in the times of the Union, sat in this business in the State Planning Commission and he gave out numbers inappropriately, but since the thing is past, I would not say me well very much then all these figures were of interest, but the general meaning was completely remembered and a little later I had the chance to talk with another uncle, also retired, he was a hassle then, so he told me that there are tales about the general deficit - these are tales, there are bases broke, but the ban on extradition was, with very few rare exceptions, so the stories about the Union type falling apart because everything was over is a myth, this process was organized and directed, naturally, by interested parties ...
                  And a return to universal unification - why? So that our almost TNCs become such in reality? Neither me, nor you will be practically of any benefit from this, but the problems will be added sooner, our officials will blow on every corner, that is, we’ve got a lot of expenses, it’s a little difficult for them now to explain the Budget surplus where money goes and why prices rise, but salaries fall, so we don’t need to unite, especially since the population of those territories may well arise if there wasn’t any idea - now that you’ve won us, now feed, but do we really need it? In my opinion, no.
                4. businessv Offline businessv
                  businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 21: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: 321
                  Moscow, St. Petersburg and the Baltic republics are one thing, but Penza or Orenburg is another

                  This, undoubtedly, was so. The cities and republics you listed were the "face" of the Union, it was necessary to keep it in an exemplary form. And the rest of everything is as you portrayed, the country was ditched on purpose.
              2. commbatant Offline commbatant
                commbatant (Sergei) 16 November 2019 17: 13
                0
                Quote: businessv
                You, colleague, IMHO are not very well versed in the economy in general and in the internal structure of the USSR in particular.

                And who are you, so that your opinion is true ... in this regard, I can say that you are not a specialist in the field of economics and domestic policy of the USSR ....

                ... funds in the budget of the USSR were enough even to support African satellites.

                "Enough" at the expense of the peoples of the USSR ....

                In fact, there was mutual assistance and there was a planned movement of goods from the excess region to the region of shortage, there was free movement of people throughout the Union and villages lived everywhere normally, in any republic.

                Enough with fairy tales to feed everyone here, most members of the forum were born and lived under the Union, what is the passport regime and the shortage of goods - everyone knows ... "hang on to the ears" at the Communist Party rallies, although the elections to the MHD have already passed, so you, as always late ...
                Read what the transport theorem is and you will understand why the USSR economy fell apart ...
                And the USSR abandoned all its "satellites" during its lifetime ...
  • businessv Offline businessv
    businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 12: 37
    +1
    Quote: 123
    There are two options - to break the partition and live in a common house with us or build a path to Europe.

    Yes, there are no two options, colleague! In the case of the creation of the Union State, all profitable enterprises of the Republic of Belarus will squeeze out the Russian oligarchs, who no longer know where to steal the stolen money, and Europe does not need a relatively successful, socially oriented Republic of Belarus at all, the same enterprises will simply be closed, so Father will have to balance between two lights, which he does, and quite successfully!
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 16 November 2019 14: 19
      +3
      Yes, there are no two options, colleague! In the case of the creation of the Union State, all profitable enterprises of the Republic of Belarus will wring out the Russian oligarchs, who no longer know where to steal the stolen money

      That's just it, that all because of the fact that the Belarusian elite is afraid of losing its influence. Everything revolves around property and profit. This has nothing to do with the interests of the country and ordinary people. But father fights for property. Some will really be squeezed out, whatever you call it - merger or acquisition. Let's look at it from the other side. What difference does it make to us whether a Russian or a Belarusian oligarch owns the enterprise? Some of the enterprises are really interested, the defense industry, for example, will go straight to the concern. MAZ and KAMAZ will merge. Uralkali and Belarus will unite, now they compete with each other, and together there will be about half of the world market. This happens everywhere, remember the same Nissan-Renault. But father hopes to survive in the reserve? It is wrong to approach this issue according to the principle - "they will simply take everything away, and with what will the people be left?" Compare the two approaches to gas transit. Belarus sold, Ukraine refused. But Father has many complaints, but I don’t remember any dissatisfaction with the gas. You know everything about Ukraine. Moreover, in Russia more than 70% of assets are owned by the state and the share is growing. So it's not entirely true to talk about the dominance of oligarchs. Or will we wait until the Belarusian oligarchs "eat up"?

      Europe does not need a relatively successful, socially oriented Republic of Belarus at all; the same enterprises will simply be closed.

      I agree to all 100.

      ... therefore, But father will have to balance between the two fires, which he does, and quite successfully!

      Is it successful? Yes, he retained stability, honor to him and praise. Our 90s in Belarus was not, and then what? The country is afloat, but remove the hidden subsidies, the same resale of oil and the fairy tale crumbles. She keeps on the Russian budget. Do you think this is the right spending? And so it cannot last forever. To subsidize a neighboring country in exchange for good rhetoric? Let’s begin to subsidize the Baltic states, what if they too will start talking about us better? But father is balancing, but this cannot last forever, the situation is not stable. Try to stand up and balance yourself on a log, will you last long?
      1. businessv Offline businessv
        businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 21: 55
        +1
        Quote: 123
        But father is balancing, but this cannot last forever, the situation is not stable.

        What are these conclusions, colleague? The economy of the Republic of Belarus is quite stable, leading enterprises are provided with orders for years, and rhetoric remains rhetoric and nothing more. There is a Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), it is not dripping over Belarus, so you should not worry about it.
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 17 November 2019 20: 28
          +1
          What are these conclusions, colleague? The economy of the Republic of Belarus is quite stable, leading enterprises are provided with orders for years, and rhetoric remains rhetoric and nothing more. There is a Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), it is not dripping over Belarus, so you should not worry about it.

          This stability is artificially created. Read here on the website:

          https://topcor.ru/11963-lukashenko-nazval-uslovie-otkaza-ot-integracii-s-rossiej.html

          Subsidy ceases, re-export is hiding and immediately minus 9 billion. That's the price of stability.
  • commbatant Offline commbatant
    commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 09
    +1
    Quote: steel maker
    Putin has already offered Erdogan S-57! You have to be honest with your ally!

    Since when should the Russian Federation in its military-technical relations have to be guided by the opinion of an INDEPENDENT state, even an allied one, or the sale of any weapons of the Russian Federation to Turkey can affect the defense of the Republic of Belarus?
    Something I don’t remember that Belarus agreed on the sale of its weapons remaining from the USSR Armed Forces with the Russian Federation ....
    And the Old Man left his own Su-27s left from the USSR Armed Forces for storage, service and repairs are not affordable, I wonder from what pocket he will take the money to maintain 12 Su-30SM?

    Quote: steel maker
    Or do you think that Lukashenko is blind and deaf? On trade with Belarus, Russia has a plus of $ 4 billion, and do you think this is for nothing? Therefore, Lukashenko is somewhat right.

    So what prevents Old Man from changing the trade balance with the Russian Federation or opening EU markets for Belarus ....
  • General Black Offline General Black
    General Black (Gennady) 15 November 2019 16: 29
    +4
    Armenia and Kazakhstan purchased fighter jets from Russia at the same prices as the Russian Air Force. At the same price offered and Belarus. So, give Lukashenko oil and gas at prices as in Smolensk, and high-tech equipment for a radiant smile? And how to pay off the workers of aircraft factories? A cart of potato pancakes?
  • RFR Offline RFR
    RFR (RFR) 15 November 2019 19: 54
    +3
    And what is he right about, that we buy products and goods from them that no one else needs?
  • Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 14 November 2019 23: 17
    +3
    If Father is such a strong manager and knows how to count money, then let him take it and ask in the Russian Federation for the rights of the Federal District, and the question is resolved! - Belarusians will receive all this high-tech happiness in general for nothing! What is not a solution? repeat
    1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
      sgrabik (Sergei) 14 November 2019 23: 45
      +2
      Lukashenko still wants to sit on two chairs and at the same time catch two birds with one stone, and nothing teaches him !!!
      1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 00: 07
        +2
        But father, of course, is a unique pretzel - although he has not yet caught the hares, he has not yet fallen from two chairs, in your words. But, seriously, sooner or later Belarusians will have to choose anyway - or Lukashenko will not be able to balance, or just leave - he is not eternal. I hope that the example of the neighbors will learn something ...
        1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
          sgrabik (Sergei) 15 November 2019 00: 23
          +2
          It would be very good for the Belarusians to learn something by the example of their Ukrainian neighbors before the moment when something similar to the Ukrainian maydaun might happen to them.
          1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 00: 52
            +1
            ... here I am about the same. Europe doesn’t need them at all - they don’t have anything Europeans really need, and the United States and NATO only - as an anti-Russian training ground and cannon fodder.
            1. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
              sgrabik (Sergei) 15 November 2019 00: 53
              0
              We then well understand this, it is necessary that it finally comes to them.
    2. commbatant Offline commbatant
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 27
      0
      Quote: Pyshenkov
      If Father is such a strong manager and knows how to count money, then let him take it and ask in the Russian Federation for the rights of the Federal District, and the question is resolved! - Belarusians will receive all this high-tech happiness in general for nothing! What is not a solution? repeat

      The problem for the Republic of Belarus is that for some time now in the Russian Federation its own

      a strong manager and knows how to count money

      therefore, it doesn’t need the Russian Federation ...
  • Roarv Offline Roarv
    Roarv (Robert) 15 November 2019 05: 56
    +2
    This Slav wants to rinse one side of the mustache in a glass with vodka, the other side of the mustache wants to rinse in a glass of whiskey, and this is to happen at the same time .... that's all the raspberries and the independence of the father .....
    And what and who will give for it without the patronage of Russia ....
    He wants everything, but for free and at the expense of Russia, under those conditions and prices that he considers acceptable ...
    Slavic kinship for money ...
    Populism began to yield to Marazm, that’s the whole definition ...
    Our authorities fed up the Independence of the Ukrainians, now we disentangle all the people .... this is not a lesson for us ???
    Old Man, if you are so confident in yourself and the Belarusian economy, why talk about prices, ask for money from the EU, USA or China, and buy oil and gas by reverse Russian gas .. there ...
  • oracul Offline oracul
    oracul (leonid) 15 November 2019 07: 42
    +2
    Even in the family there are serious conflicts, up to parting, when someone wants to live at the expense of the rest. What can we say about international relations. If my memory serves me right, then I remember that Belarus has legislatively stipulated that its armed forces cannot be used outside the Republic. Here you have an ally!
    1. commbatant Offline commbatant
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: oracul
      Even in the family there are serious conflicts, up to parting, when someone wants to live at the expense of the rest. What can we say about international relations. If my memory serves me right, then I remember that Belarus has legislatively stipulated that its armed forces cannot be used outside the Republic. Here you have an ally!

      So the "Suvalkovsky corridor" will take the 1st TA and / or 20th OA of the Western OSK RF ....
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2019 10: 10
    +1
    Again bargaining ... Favorite media object here.
    1. commbatant Offline commbatant
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 29
      0
      A bargain would be appropriate if the Russian Federation sold Old Man B and BT at export prices ...

      Russia already supplies new aircraft to its CSTO partners in domestic, not export priceshe clarifies: this is how the Su-30SM were purchased by Kazakhstan and Armenia.

      https://news.mail.ru/politics/39488339/?frommail=1
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2019 15: 54
        +1
        So this is global bargaining. Not on them, then they will throw off gas, not on it, so on customs duties and quotas ... etc.
        Erdogan is also bargaining with everyone, as well as, for sure, others, as we are ...
  • av58 Offline av58
    av58 (Andrei) 15 November 2019 13: 38
    +2
    At the price of scrap metal, the Old Man can buy scrap metal, or Chinese aircraft.
  • Don36 Offline Don36
    Don36 (Don36) 16 November 2019 23: 35
    +2
    It’s time for Russia to start counting money itself and stop giving it to any foreign kings for free ... We need to take the example of the USA and France - feed foreign countries less and milk them more, taking the toughest position, and stop calling any of the foreigners brothers. .. The brothers are all in Russia ...
  • Tolik_74 Offline Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 (Anatoly) 20 November 2019 15: 52
    +1
    Lukashenko expressed dissatisfaction with the high cost of the latest Russian weapons

    You stand with your outstretched paw for the 26th year in a row, then give you cheap oil, then haaaaaz for the price in the Smolensk region, now give the SU-30 for free. And in return what ????? EBN drove by the nose for almost 4 years, now GDP fools the brain for almost two dozen years, maybe enough already. Do you want oil and gas at world prices with NG, huh ???