Having received the brand new Su-30СМ, Lukashenko was not satisfied


Listening to the report of Chairman of the State Border Committee Anatoly Lappo and Secretary of State for the Security Council Stanislav Zasy on the interaction of Belarus and Russia in border issues, Alexander Lukashenko expressed dissatisfaction with the high cost of the latest Russian weapons.


According to the Belarusian president, for the fact that the republic carries out the function of protecting Russia on the western borders, Moscow could make concessions in matters of cost and supply of modern weapons.

He noted that the military of the Armed Forces of Belarus are able to use modern weapons no worse than the Russian military, and the republic is forced to pay "colossal money" for these weapons.

Also, the Belarusian leader was indignant at the statement of individual Russian media and government officials that the republic was allegedly “a kettlebell on Russia's feet”.

Recall that yesterday, two multi-purpose Su-30SM fighters from twelve purchased from Russia, which the republic should receive, arrived at the airport in Baranavichy.

In addition to combat aircraft, the Belarusian military also needs radar systems, small arms, spare equipment and accessories for anti-aircraft, missile and radar weapons, as well as armored and aviation technology.
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  1. 123 Online
    123 (123) 14 November 2019 17: 31
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    Alexander Lukashenko expressed dissatisfaction with the high cost of the latest Russian weapons.

    This is at preferential prices, almost at cost. belay But Father Butsk was dissatisfied that "not all citizens of third countries freely pass the Belarusian-Russian border." And who knows, whom does he let? That he canceled visas, they say, go, dear guests, whoever you want and wherever you want, even to Kamchatka. fellow All sorts of Polish vice-premieres come to visit them, and it does not matter that they are on the black list. And he doesn’t like that on the border the trucks are gutted with the gifts of the Belarusian land, with jamon, apples, lobsters. sad Here is such a guardian of the portal - the border on the castle, soldier just give it all for free. repeat
  2. Sergey39 Offline
    Sergey39 (Sergei) 14 November 2019 18: 05
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    Yes, it was possible and not to buy at all. They offered to place the Russian air base? He refused. Now let him have the same thing for his money.
    1. commbatant Offline
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 22
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      Quote: Sergey39
      Yes, it was possible and not to buy at all.

      Quote: Sergey39
      Now let him have the same thing for his money.

      Quietly, the purchase of aircraft is carried out on credit and in batches ...

      According to the manager of one of the UAC companies, The cost of 12 Su-30SM for Belarus is about $ 600 million. Upon delivery of aircraft Russian loans will be used, the supply rate will not be too high so as not to create an unnecessary burden on the budget - about four cars a year.

      https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/06/20/695248-belorussiya-zakupila-istrebitelei
    2. commbatant Offline
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 28
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      The most interesting thing is that RB is not needed from the word at all, heavy fighters, to cover such a small territory it is enough to have light MiG-29s ...
  3. AICO Offline
    AICO (Vyacheslav) 14 November 2019 18: 16
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    SHO! - Again ?! But when will you get drunk ?! Such defenders will be left without port, and there is no need for attackers !!!
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  5. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 14 November 2019 20: 43
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    Putin has already offered Erdogan S-57! You have to be honest with your ally! Or do you think that Lukashenko is blind and deaf? On trade with Belarus, Russia has a plus of $ 4 billion, and do you think this is for nothing? Therefore, Lukashenko is somewhat right.
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 14 November 2019 21: 04
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      Therefore, Lukashenko is somewhat right.

      What, for example? smile And what does Erdogan have to do with it?
      1. Pishenkov Offline
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 14 November 2019 22: 30
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        ... it’s there today, probably, a colleague again digested the steel and escaped like milk from a pan, so it wasn’t possible to pour the underwater Es-57 from it, which he wanted to exchange in bulk for Belarusian freshwater shrimp and potato Jamon. And Putin’s dishonest ally, Erdogan, for a bribe of 4 billion Belarusian dollars, imposed a full embargo on any sanctions on the Belarusian-Turkish border, thinking that Lukashenko is blind and deaf and will not notice anything. And he took it and was indignant with all this ... That's how somehow, apparently, everything turned out. That is, Stalevar is completely right, that for some reason Lukashenko is also right ...
        I hope I have clearly explained to you the train of thought of a colleague from the foundry? wink
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 15 November 2019 09: 09
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          I hope I have clearly explained to you the train of thought of a colleague from the foundry?

          Thanks. Clearly enough. I was about to write an answer, looked, and here almost everything has been said. A little addition. Lukashenko has the opportunity to agree on a status above the Federal District and not be part of Russia. But this is not the point, in fact, one and the same thing, only called differently. More importantly, Belarus is a small country; its capabilities are not enough for independent sustainable economic development. You’ll have to choose which coast to go ashore. There are two options - to break the partition and live in a common house with us or build a path to Europe. There are possible options, rather, the Moldavian way, or Ukrainian. But Father can easily go for it, just to sit in his office. And to the ardent defenders of the "Slavic Erdogan" there is a proposal, I put the pluses for you here, and you share the real salary with me. good This is about the same approach to alliance.
          1. Pishenkov Offline
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 10: 15
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            That's right. This "partition" is already breaking down and so gradually, I would say that today it exists purely nominally still. Since I relate to Belarus and its population very well, I hope that both sides (leaders) of intelligence and patience will have enough to bring it all to the end, because the peoples, or rather the people, are one, both Russian and Belarusian, I’ve been ready for this for a long time ... All history lived together, God forbid, everything will remain ...
            1. commbatant Offline
              commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 12: 58
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              Quote: Pyshenkov
              They lived the whole story together, God forbid, everything will remain ...

              About the Ukrainian people also once said ....
              Belarus is already more than a 1/4 century independent state, respectively, and it should be treated as an INDEPENDENT state, which has its own interests, which may not coincide with the Russian ones, hence the Russian Federation should have pragmatism in relations with the Republic of Belarus. ...
              1. Pishenkov Offline
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 13: 53
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                ... they still say that about the Ukrainian people. But Belarus, fortunately and, by the way, thanks to Lukashenko, did not slide into Bandera and Russophobia, unlike Ukraine. Therefore, under no circumstances should we or Belarusians allow this gap. It is necessary to collect the Great Country back! And all these tales about “independence” and “a separate state” are propaganda for the idiots who are doing this, and an attempt to hammer an absolute lie into people's heads. There is no independence there, has not been and never will be. The question is simply to whom to join - either back to really your own people, who are located behind artificially created borders, or to where Ukrainians and Belarusians are needed only as a cheap and powerless slave ...
                1. commbatant Offline
                  commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 16
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                  Quote: Pyshenkov
                  ... they still say that about the Ukrainian people. But Belarus, fortunately and, by the way, thanks to Lukashenko, did not slide into Bandera and Russophobia, unlike Ukraine. Therefore, under no circumstances should we or Belarusians allow this gap. It is necessary to collect the Great Country back! And all these tales about “independence” and “a separate state” are propaganda for the idiots who are doing this, and an attempt to hammer an absolute lie into people's heads. There is no independence there, has not been and never will be. The question is simply to whom to join - either back to really your own people, who are located behind artificially created borders, or to where Ukrainians and Belarusians are needed only as a cheap and powerless slave ...

                  And what, without joining is impossible? The beneficiaries of the Union were clearly anyone, but not Russians ... (even in the war-ravaged Donbass you will not see black log huts with a rickety fence, without gas and water supply). Again, a "prison of peoples" must be created? The former USSR and BSSR have chosen their path by proclaiming the Declaration of Independence, fulfilling such a right provided for by the Constitution of the USSR ....
                  These states (like other former republics of the Union) show no desire for unification, and some even left the CIS (Georgia), which have a controversial status in the CIS (Ukraine, did not sign the CIS Charter) and the CSTO (Uzbekistan) ....
                  I must note that Ukraine, like the Baltic countries, did not participate in the all-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR, but, having carried out its own with shouts and hooting (along with the Russian-speaking population), they decided the issue of independence from the Union ...
                  The Russian-speaking population of the above-mentioned republics chose their path 1/4 of a century ago, why does the Russian Federation need this Russian-speaking population today, even if it remains in its independent states ...
                  1. Pishenkov Offline
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 14: 36
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                    I don’t know whether you even remember how the USSR collapsed, who really wanted it, what percentage of the population "hooted", and which looked at it with tears, not understanding at all what was happening, and what happened to the Russians in overwhelming most of these new "independent" states. There were and still are houses without gas and a water supply system in Ukraine, including the western one and in Transcarpathia, and in Belarus, you, you see, didn’t especially travel around the Union if you write this. As for the choice of the path - yes, many also supported the "perestroika", and all these changes. People did not really understand what was happening and what it would lead to, propaganda filled the brains, as a result, the country collapsed. Thank God Russia itself did not fall apart, although there were attempts. The RF itself is an even more multinational entity than the USSR was, which is also a “prison of peoples” ??? Need to scatter into the "independent states"? How was once a strong and truly independent Yugoslavia, from which, according to the same scheme, only helpless acne was left on the map?
                    We are really INDEPENDENT and strong can only be when we are all together, can it really not work for you? In the West, that’s all come to a long time ago, that's why they are trying to break up and pull apart from each other!
                    1. commbatant Offline
                      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 49
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                      We are really INDEPENDENT and strong can only be when we are all together

                      The Russian Federation has already proved that it can be independent and a superpower without the “breadwinners”, but the “breadwinners" somehow did not succeed in becoming self-sufficient states (excluding Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, and only in economic terms) .. ..
                      The USSR was falling apart before my eyes ....

                      1. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 15: 40
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                        Well, if it was falling apart before your eyes and you were of a conscious age, so how can you write this nonsense about the “prison of nations” and who was happy about what? Then really the vast majority of people did not even understand what was happening and what it would lead to. And after all, everyone really believed in sincere friendship with the West, in increasing prosperity, at the end of international tension, if the Soviet troops withdraw from Afghanistan and Europe, in general disarmament, etc. etc ... They believed. But now it’s clear, I hope, even stupid, who, how and why we all “masterfully” divorced us from! I don’t know where this video was shot, because then, for example, in Kiev just like that, there were practically no people who spoke Ukrainian on the street, they spoke exactly the same way as in Moscow and Leningrad, and these people, rather of all, typical at that time “Ukrainians”, quite sincerely THEN could think so. BUT how can you still say something about some kind of independence NOW? After all this? Which of the former republics of the USSR is really independent? The Baltic states simply exchanged owners for those that are historically more familiar to them. Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are still on Soviet development of raw materials, so there is money, but Turkey or Iran are a little rocky at them, I generally keep quiet about the PRC, and where is their independence and independence? There’s no point in talking about the rest ...
                        And the Russian Federation - yes, it’s still a Great Power, only due to the fact that they came to their senses in time and the FORCE did not allow it to be torn into "independent states", but the Russian Federation now, with all its greatness, is only a shadow of the Soviet Union, its military strength, economic potential and position in the world.
                        The principle of "divide and conquer" is very old, and all our enemies are trying to use it, and now they are pulling all the former republics from themselves by all means precisely for this. And Russia, if it wants to remain a superpower, should not look at all this, but actively drag it back, with the same force. And then you can clearly see what is happening even with the closest peoples, if you leave them face to face with their newly acquired "independence", and what this directly threatens Russia itself ...
                      2. commbatant Offline
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 16: 03
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                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        Then really the vast majority of people did not even understand what was happening and what it would lead to. And after all, everyone really believed in sincere friendship with the West, in increasing prosperity, at the end of international tension, if the Soviet troops withdraw from Afghanistan and Europe, in general disarmament, etc. etc ... They believed.

                        In parallel with the collapse of the Union, ATS and CMEA broke up, a civil war broke out in the FRY, both Germany united (where in the East, everyone also wanted freebies, and most importantly, to eat rags), ethnic conflicts began on the territory of the Union itself, to believe the West with all this this was already silly then, because by the example of the countries of Eastern Europe it was already possible to understand how the whole Sabbath would end ....

                        Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan They are still sitting on the Soviet developments of raw materials, so there is money, but a little get on them turkey ...

                        These are all Turkic-speaking states ....
                        Iran will not attack Azerbaijan, because will quarrel with its only strategic ally of the Russian Federation, and Russia will not give up the Russian Federation just like that, the Russian Federation is simultaneously dependent on Iran, with the fact that Iran is the only communication to Armenia ...

                        And Russia, if it wants to remain a superpower, should not look at all this, but actively drag it back

                        Why the hell did all these “breadwinners” surrender to me, they will blackmail me by joining NATO, they will lose part of the territories, for example, Georgia and Ukraine ...
                      3. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 16: 18
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                        And for that they surrendered so as not to blackmail, being like "independent" - the republics of the USSR could not join NATO, the federal districts of the Russian Federation also could not. laughing
                        You yourself said the most important thing about Iran and Turkey - they do not touch these "independent" states just for fear of quarreling with the Russian Federation. That is, we are already covering them, for all that we don’t know what to expect from them in their “independence”! That is why it is necessary to take all this under complete control. There have never been any special problems with the peoples, and these "elites", which emerged like foam from a soup, at the moment of boiling up independence and thinking exclusively of their own interests, must be collected and thrown out just like this foam ... And there will be order - clean and clear broth. wink
                        And you are right about grubbing and rags, but we could hardly use an example of Eastern Europe - there practically everything happened exactly the same thing at the same time, but in a milder form ... And only because we that's all allowed. Now they also scratch turnips, understand that they have lost, but it's too late ... But they, unlike Russia and the USSR, have never been great. But we "from princes into the dirt" oh how we do not want to.
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                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 16: 23
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                        That is why it is necessary to take all this under complete control. There have never been any special problems with the peoples.

                        Only these peoples lived better than in the RSFSR .... why do I need these parasites, there are enough subsidized regions of the Russian Federation that I need to develop somehow, they are somehow closer to me than the "fraternal" peoples of the Union ....
                      5. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 16: 35
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                        Well do not! You say that the Union remember ... Everywhere was different. I do not say that the USSR was an ideal state education - if it were, it would not have collapsed. But everyone lived, in principle, in different ways and it is impossible to say that republics are better than the Russian Federation, although politics and subsidies were indeed distributed unevenly. But in Russia, for example, the Krasnodar Territory lived cooler than Ukraine, Western Ukraine and Belarus were worse than the European part of the Russian Federation, Georgia and Armenia boomed at that time, but they have climate-gold, and in Russia there are vast territories where often there is neither water nor gas Neither electricity nor a road can be reached. Central Asia - the people are poor, only bosses, etc. And who wanted and was ready to strain, and it’s true, he could earn money and decently live anywhere.
                        You yourself say that in the Russian Federation there are subsidized regions, that - maybe it is better to drive them out too? You just have to learn from mistakes. Disintegration and dispersion in different directions is not an option. All empires became great only by collecting land, and not vice versa.
                      6. commbatant Offline
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 17: 10
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                        Quote: Pyshenkov
                        All empires became great, only collecting land, and not vice versa.

                        The USSR is the Empire, on the contrary, where the outskirts lived at the expense of the Metropolis, I do not need such happiness, in any case, not at my expense ...
                        It is one thing to invest in Dagestan or the Penza region, another thing is to Ukraine or Belarus ....
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 17: 16
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                        ... and how are they, by and large, different?
                      8. commbatant Offline
                        commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 17: 58
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                        Weird question. Dagestan or the Penza region are PART OF RUSSIA .....
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                        businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 14: 08
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                        Quote: commbatant
                        Dagestan or the Penza region are PART OF RUSSIA .....

                        And in the Union, Russia was part of the country, like all republics.
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                        commbatant (Sergei) 16 November 2019 17: 02
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                        Quote: businessv
                        And in the Union, Russia was part of the country, like all republics.

                        Yes, I do not care about ALL republics of the Union, except for the RSFSR, and now the Russian Federation ...
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                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 14: 07
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                      But you, if I understand correctly, do not want to see Ukraine and Belarus as parts of the same country, just because they would be "subsidized" ... Dagestan, by the way, also nearly separated, or rather, they tried to separate it, by force pointed ...
                2. businessv Offline
                  businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 14: 06
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                  Quote: commbatant
                  The USSR is the Empire, on the contrary, where the outskirts lived at the expense of the Metropolis, I do not need such happiness, in any case, not at my expense ...

                  You, colleague, IMHO are not very well versed in the economy in general and in the internal structure of the USSR in particular. There was even enough funds in the budget of the USSR to support African satellites, and you talk about the Union republics as colonies, since you applied the definition of the Metropolis. In fact, there was mutual assistance and there was a planned movement of goods from the excess region to the region of shortage, there was free movement of people throughout the Union and the countryside, they lived everywhere normally, in any republic. So, do not feed another myth, colleague, this thankless job! hi
                3. 321 Offline
                  321 (321) 16 November 2019 15: 45
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                  About Africa in those days, he was not particularly interested, and he was engaged in something else, but about the fact that the movement was planned - the movement is quite possible, BUT the supply of different territories, regions and republics was carried out in different ways, more precisely, in different categories, Moscow, Peter and the republics of the Baltic states - this is one thing, but Penza or Orenburg - quite another, although a little later, he was told by an uncle who, in the times of the Union, sat in this business in the State Planning Commission and he gave out numbers inappropriately, but since the thing is past, I would not say me well very much then all these figures were of interest, but the general meaning was completely remembered and a little later I had the chance to talk with another uncle, also retired, he was a hassle then, so he told me that there are tales about the general deficit - these are tales, there are bases broke, but the ban on extradition was, with very few rare exceptions, so the stories about the Union type falling apart because everything was over is a myth, this process was organized and directed, naturally, by interested parties ...
                  And a return to universal unification - why? So that our almost TNCs become such in reality? Neither me, nor you will be practically of any benefit from this, but the problems will be added sooner, our officials will blow on every corner, that is, we’ve got a lot of expenses, it’s a little difficult for them now to explain the Budget surplus where money goes and why prices rise, but salaries fall, so we don’t need to unite, especially since the population of those territories may well arise if there wasn’t any idea - now that you’ve won us, now feed, but do we really need it? In my opinion, no.
                4. businessv Offline
                  businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 21: 35
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                  Moscow, St. Petersburg and the Baltic republics are one thing, but Penza or Orenburg is another

                  This, undoubtedly, was so. The cities and republics you listed were the "face" of the Union, it was necessary to keep it in an exemplary form. And the rest is everything as you depicted, the country was killed deliberately.
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                commbatant (Sergei) 16 November 2019 17: 13
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                You, colleague, IMHO are not very well versed in the economy in general and in the internal structure of the USSR in particular.

                And who are you, so that your opinion is true ... in this regard, I can say that you are not a specialist in the field of economics and domestic policy of the USSR ....

                ... funds in the budget of the USSR were enough even to support African satellites.

                "Enough" at the expense of the peoples of the USSR ....

                In fact, there was mutual assistance and there was a planned movement of goods from the excess region to the region of shortage, there was free movement of people throughout the Union and villages lived everywhere normally, in any republic.

                Enough to feed fairy tales here, most members of the forum were born and lived under the Union, what is the passport regime and the shortage of goods - everyone knows .... hang on your ears at Communist Party rallies, although the elections to MHD have already passed, so you, as always late ...
                Read what the transport theorem is and you will understand why the USSR economy fell apart ...
                And the USSR threw all its “satellites” during its lifetime ...
  • businessv Offline
    businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 12: 37
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    There are two options - to break the partition and live in a common house with us or build a path to Europe.

    Yes, there are no two options, colleague! In the case of the creation of the Union State, all profitable enterprises of the Republic of Belarus will squeeze out the Russian oligarchs, who no longer know where to steal the stolen money, and Europe does not need a relatively successful, socially oriented Republic of Belarus at all, the same enterprises will simply be closed, so Father will have to balance between two lights, which he does, and quite successfully!
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 16 November 2019 14: 19
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      Yes, there are no two options, colleague! In the case of the creation of the Union State, all profitable enterprises of the Republic of Belarus will wring out the Russian oligarchs, who no longer know where to steal the stolen money

      That’s the fact that it’s all because the Belarusian elite is afraid of losing their influence. Everything revolves around property and profit. This has nothing to do with the interests of the country and ordinary people. But father is fighting for property. The part will really be squeezed out, as it is not called - mergers or acquisitions. Let's look at it the other way. Who cares if a Russian or a Belarusian oligarch owns an enterprise? Some enterprises are really interested, the defense industry, for example, will immediately leave the concern. MAZ and KAMAZ will merge. Uralkali and Belaruskali will unite, now they are competing with each other, and together there will be about half of the world market. This happens everywhere, remember the same Nissan Renault. But father hopes to survive in the reserve? It is wrong to approach this issue on the principle - “they’ll just take everything away, but what will the people stay with?” Compare the two approaches to gas transit. Belarus sold, Ukraine refused. But father has a lot of complaints, but something I can’t recall the discontent over the gas. You yourself know everything about Ukraine. In addition, in Russia more than 70% of the assets are owned by the state and the share is growing. So talking about the dominance of the oligarchs is also not entirely true. Or wait until the Belarusian oligarchs "eat up"?

      Europe does not need a relatively successful, socially oriented Republic of Belarus at all; the same enterprises will simply be closed.

      I agree to all 100.

      ... therefore, But father will have to balance between the two fires, which he does, and quite successfully!

      Is it successful? Yes, he retained stability, honor to him and praise. Our 90s in Belarus was not, and then what? The country is afloat, but remove the hidden subsidies, the same resale of oil and the fairy tale crumbles. She keeps on the Russian budget. Do you think this is the right spending? And so it cannot last forever. To subsidize a neighboring country in exchange for good rhetoric? Let’s begin to subsidize the Baltic states, what if they too will start talking about us better? But father is balancing, but this cannot last forever, the situation is not stable. Try to stand up and balance yourself on a log, will you last long?
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        businessv (Vadim) 16 November 2019 21: 55
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        But father is balancing, but this cannot last forever, the situation is not stable.

        What are these conclusions, colleague? The economy of the Republic of Belarus is quite stable, leading enterprises are provided with orders for years, and rhetoric remains rhetoric and nothing more. There is a Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), it is not dripping over Belarus, so you should not worry about it.
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          123 (123) 17 November 2019 20: 28
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          What are these conclusions, colleague? The economy of the Republic of Belarus is quite stable, leading enterprises are provided with orders for years, and rhetoric remains rhetoric and nothing more. There is a Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), it is not dripping over Belarus, so you should not worry about it.

          This stability is artificially created. Read here on the website:

          https://topcor.ru/11963-lukashenko-nazval-uslovie-otkaza-ot-integracii-s-rossiej.html

          Subsidy ceases, re-export is hiding and immediately minus 9 billion. That's the price of stability.
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    commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 09
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    Putin has already offered Erdogan S-57! You have to be honest with your ally!

    Since when should the Russian Federation in its military-technical relations have to be guided by the opinion of an INDEPENDENT state, even an allied one, or the sale of any weapons of the Russian Federation to Turkey can affect the defense of the Republic of Belarus?
    Something I don’t remember that Belarus agreed on the sale of its weapons remaining from the USSR Armed Forces with the Russian Federation ....
    And the Old Man left his own Su-27s left from the USSR Armed Forces for storage, service and repairs are not affordable, I wonder from what pocket he will take the money to maintain 12 Su-30SM?

    Quote: steel maker
    Or do you think that Lukashenko is blind and deaf? On trade with Belarus, Russia has a plus of $ 4 billion, and do you think this is for nothing? Therefore, Lukashenko is somewhat right.

    So what prevents Old Man from changing the trade balance with the Russian Federation or opening EU markets for Belarus ....
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    General Black (Gennady) 15 November 2019 16: 29
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    Armenia and Kazakhstan purchased fighter jets from Russia at the same prices as the Russian Air Force. At the same price offered and Belarus. So, give Lukashenko oil and gas at prices as in Smolensk, and high-tech equipment for a radiant smile? And how to pay off the workers of aircraft factories? A cart of potato pancakes?
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    RFR (RFR) 15 November 2019 19: 54
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    And what is he right about, that we buy products and goods from them that no one else needs?
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    Pishenkov (Alexey) 14 November 2019 23: 17
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    If Father is such a strong manager and knows how to count money, then let him take it and ask in the Russian Federation for the rights of the Federal District, and the question is resolved! - Belarusians will receive all this high-tech happiness in general for nothing! What is not a solution? repeat
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      sgrabik (Sergei) 14 November 2019 23: 45
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      Lukashenko still wants to sit on two chairs and at the same time catch two birds with one stone, and nothing teaches him !!!
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 00: 07
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        But father, of course, is a unique pretzel - although he has not yet caught the hares, he has not yet fallen from two chairs, in your words. But, seriously, sooner or later Belarusians will have to choose anyway - or Lukashenko will not be able to balance, or just leave - he is not eternal. I hope that the example of the neighbors will learn something ...
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          sgrabik (Sergei) 15 November 2019 00: 23
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          It would be very good for the Belarusians to learn something by the example of their Ukrainian neighbors before the moment when something similar to the Ukrainian maydaun might happen to them.
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            Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 November 2019 00: 52
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            ... here I am about the same. Europe doesn’t need them at all - they don’t have anything Europeans really need, and the United States and NATO only - as an anti-Russian training ground and cannon fodder.
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              sgrabik (Sergei) 15 November 2019 00: 53
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              We then well understand this, it is necessary that it finally comes to them.
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      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 27
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      Quote: Pyshenkov
      If Father is such a strong manager and knows how to count money, then let him take it and ask in the Russian Federation for the rights of the Federal District, and the question is resolved! - Belarusians will receive all this high-tech happiness in general for nothing! What is not a solution? repeat

      The problem for the Republic of Belarus is that for some time now in the Russian Federation its own

      a strong manager and knows how to count money

      therefore, it doesn’t need the Russian Federation ...
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    Roarv (Robert) 15 November 2019 05: 56
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    This Slav wants to rinse one side of the mustache in a glass with vodka, the other side of the mustache wants to rinse in a glass of whiskey, and this is to happen at the same time .... that's all the raspberries and the independence of the father .....
    And what and who will give for it without the patronage of Russia ....
    He wants everything, but for free and at the expense of Russia, under those conditions and prices that he considers acceptable ...
    Slavic kinship for money ...
    Populism began to yield to Marazm, that’s the whole definition ...
    Our authorities fed up the Independence of the Ukrainians, now we disentangle all the people .... this is not a lesson for us ???
    Old Man, if you are so confident in yourself and the Belarusian economy, why talk about prices, ask for money from the EU, USA or China, and buy oil and gas by reverse Russian gas .. there ...
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    oracul (leonid) 15 November 2019 07: 42
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    Even in the family there are serious conflicts, up to parting, when someone wants to live at the expense of the rest. What can we say about international relations. If my memory serves me right, then I remember that Belarus has legislatively stipulated that its armed forces cannot be used outside the Republic. Here you have an ally!
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      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 13: 14
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      Quote: oracul
      Even in the family there are serious conflicts, up to parting, when someone wants to live at the expense of the rest. What can we say about international relations. If my memory serves me right, then I remember that Belarus has legislatively stipulated that its armed forces cannot be used outside the Republic. Here you have an ally!

      So the "Suvalkovsky corridor" will take the 1st TA and / or the 20th OA of the Western USC ....
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2019 10: 10
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    Again bargaining ... Favorite media object here.
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      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 14: 29
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      A bargain would be appropriate if the Russian Federation sold Old Man B and BT at export prices ...

      Russia already supplies new aircraft to its CSTO partners in domestic, not export priceshe clarifies: this is how the Su-30SM were purchased by Kazakhstan and Armenia.

      https://news.mail.ru/politics/39488339/?frommail=1
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        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 November 2019 15: 54
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        So this is global bargaining. Not on them, then they will throw off gas, not on it, so on customs duties and quotas ... etc.
        Erdogan is also bargaining with everyone, as well as, for sure, others, as we are ...
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    av58 (Andrei) 15 November 2019 13: 38
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    At the price of scrap metal, the Old Man can buy scrap metal, or Chinese aircraft.
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    Don36 (Don36) 16 November 2019 23: 35
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    It’s time for Russia to start counting money itself and stop giving it to any foreign kings for free ... We need to take the example of the USA and France - feed foreign countries less and milk them more, taking the toughest position, and stop calling any of the foreigners brothers. .. The brothers are all in Russia ...
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    Tolik_74 (Anatoly) 20 November 2019 15: 52
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    Lukashenko expressed dissatisfaction with the high cost of the latest Russian weapons

    You stand with your outstretched paw for the 26th year in a row, then give you cheap oil, then haaaaaz for the price in the Smolensk region, now give the SU-30 for free. And in return what ????? EBN drove by the nose for almost 4 years, now GDP fools the brain for almost two dozen years, maybe enough already. Do you want oil and gas at world prices with NG, huh ???