The Ukraine project will be closed after the division of the GTS, Motor Sich and Naftogaz


While policy in Kiev, they are making plans for a military revenge in the Donbass and in the Crimea, there are more and more signs that the project of Ukraine as an anti-Russia is becoming an issue. Should warlike Ukrainian patriots seriously count on military and other support from the West in a hypothetical campaign in Crimea?


Dmitry Kuleba, Minister for European Integration of Nezalezhnaya, gave a lengthy interview to the Ukrainian version of RBC. In it, he gave a historical example of the return of disputed territories:

France, for example, waited from 1871 to 1918. But when the moment came, she made a jerk and took Alsace back from Germany. And we must be prepared for the same turn of events.


A well-known Ukrainian musician, a native of Lviv, Vakarchuk, hit the politics, also urges to wait and not arrange a "turbo mode" in an attempt to return Crimea. Instead, he suggests pumping up the military and economic muscles to be ready at the right time to take your own.

Well, the “wait” position is quite robust, however, it will take a very long time to wait, if you recall Japan and its “northern territories”. But a logical question arises: is Ukraine able to independently reach Sevastopol by taking away the disputed peninsula from a nuclear power?

With all due respect to the Ukrainian fighting enthusiasm, the task is unrealistic, no matter how many muscles you pump. Without active assistance from NATO, the result will be approximately the same as the Georgian scenario, possibly with even more deplorable results for the “revenge-seeker”. More importantly, more and more signals are coming from the West that he is not interested in participating in all this.

So recently we toldthat President Macron criticized NATO and its Fifth Article of the Charter, which calls for considering the attack on one member of the bloc an aggression against all members of the alliance at once. Apparently, the French president is absolutely not ready to "fit in" for dysfunctional candidates for NATO in the event of their war with Russia. Recall, the Fifth Republic in the bloc is the third in military force.

The mentioned Dmitry Kuleba with obvious discontent commented on the movement of Europe towards Russia:

The backbone of the pressure system on Russia remains, but the body itself is already beginning to slowly penetrate paralysis. Once - here they were returned to PACE, once - they started talking about how to return to G7.


In his humble opinion, they managed to prevent these unwanted conciliatory steps only by the efforts of Kiev. But the minister himself declares a certain readiness of the European Union to lift anti-Russian sanctions, and is quite naively ready to demand compensation from the EU for this.

However, the position of “hegemon” is even more important for Ukraine and its revanchist moods. Trump National Security Advisor Robert O'Brien said the unexpected:

I hope that Russia and Ukraine will get along, there will be some kind of peace treaty or agreement. I will not make commitments forever regarding what we will do.


It should be remembered that Maidan Ukraine is a project of the predecessors of Donald Trump, the Democrats. The current American president has no obligations to Kiev. A formerly highly successful businessman, Trump routinely solves geopolitical issues on the patterns of corporate governance. If you look at the example of Syria, you can roughly imagine what awaits Ukraine under it.

The head of the White House announced the withdrawal of troops from the SAR, but at the same time left a certain contingent for the protection of oil fields and oil refineries. With minimal efforts, he retained control over the source of the petrodollars, transferring them from the pocket of the Syrian people to the American. Syria itself and its restoration are provided to other participants - Tehran, Ankara, Moscow and, of course, Damascus itself.

It is possible that something similar awaits and Independent. After the start of privatization, the Americans and Europeans will take away Ukrainian black soil, liquidate the remnants of competing enterprises that are dangerous for them, such as Naftogaz, Motor Sich, and take control of the gas transportation system in order to have leverage over Gazprom. Strictly speaking, this is where Trump's business interest in Ukraine ends. Further, he may well compel Kiev to fulfill the Minsk agreements and achieve the return of the DPR and Lugansk People's Republic to the Independent Square, which both in Russia and Ukraine will be presented as a great victory and the beginning of "rapprochement."

Then, from the point of view of business efficiency, it will be optimal for the United States to hang on to Moscow the further maintenance and restoration of Ukraine, so that the Russian economy is already torn from this. The most frostbitten radicals are severely calmed down, and the rest will be “tamed" and will be released onto the scene as necessary. No one will speak about a campaign in Crimea, except for outright populists.

Perhaps such a "bad world" is better than a "good war." We will see.
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  1. AICO Offline
    AICO (Vyacheslav) 13 November 2019 13: 17
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    Hurry already - tired.
  2. 123 Offline
    123 (123) 13 November 2019 14: 27
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    after the start of privatization, the Europeans will take away Ukrainian black soil, liquidate the remnants of competing enterprises that are dangerous for them, such as Naftogaz, Motor Sich, take control of the gas transportation system to have leverage over Gazprom ....... After, with from the point of view of business efficiency for the United States, it will be optimal to hang on the further maintenance and restoration of Ukraine to Moscow so that the Russian economy is already torn from this.

    You won’t be able to sit on your neck, the shoulders of the Darkest are sloping, and you cannot sit still. Nobody wants to hang "little brothers" around their necks. When

    the return of the DNI and LC to the Independent

    everything bought back will be nationalized. As for Ukraine itself, there will be no inclusion in Russia. She is waiting for complete decline and ruin. Then federalization and subsequent entry into the "union state", with its own separate budget. After this, the entry of the Southeast into Russia is possible, but this is a distant prospect. In general, Ukraine will not be offered “a hand and a heart with a bouquet of flowers and on their knees”, it will be “picked up” under the fence. So in the future, conversations about the “forge, the granary” are simply nipped in the bud because they instantly poke their nose, they say, they saw what was happening to you, you just need to leave it unattended. In Ukraine, all strategic enterprises will be bought for nothing and will begin to invest in restoration. All the same, they are idle, and so a good investment is the growth of economic indicators. Here is such a forecast. repeat And now you can spit and tell how we all the same merge and pay everyone and, naturally, without any arguments. lol
  3. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 13 November 2019 15: 37
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    Then federalization and subsequent entry into the "union state", with its own separate budget.

    Imagine.
    1. antibi0tikk Offline
      antibi0tikk (Sergei) 13 November 2019 16: 14
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      I agree. What are they needed for. And even if it is accepted into a “union state”, then after a 5-7-year quarantine period and on the rights of the regions of the Russian Federation, but by no means a separate republic.
      1. A.Lex Offline
        A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 09: 41
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        You argue as one figure on the NEWS ONE channel on the example of Germany. And to him there - maybe even create camps? Can you also suggest this?
        1. boriz Online
          boriz (boriz) 14 November 2019 22: 47
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          And the camps will not hurt. For Dobrobat, Right Sector, the most zealous of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and other biomass. LDNR will recover.
          1. A.Lex Offline
            A.Lex (Secret information) 16 November 2019 17: 25
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            To their camps? To be supported and fed at the expense of me and other taxpayers? And then they will come out (even after 25 years - we do not have the death penalty) and will kill again? No thanks!
        2. antibi0tikk Offline
          antibi0tikk (Sergei) 15 November 2019 00: 06
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          Actually, I didn’t talk about the camps, it was about the quarantine period, so that the current borders were kept, documents and goods at the entrance / exit were controlled, to check that there they had turned over etc. during the period of independence, now there were weapons in almost free access above the roof. What will happen to these weapons if we open the border with them?
          1. commbatant Offline
            commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 22: 49
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            Quote: antibi0tikk
            ... there are now weapons in almost free access above the roof. What will happen to these weapons if we open the border with them?

            Well, the border with Abkhazia and South Ossetia opened the same ....
    2. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 09: 31
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      Why do you "fantasize" at once? Maybe such a forecast? Can. Like yours ... like mine - there will be entry into separate regions (or even city-districts) - there is the Southwestern Federal, there will be the Black Sea South-West Federal District (or, as an option - FOVN - the federal district of temporary significance) ... hi
    3. commbatant Offline
      commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 22: 47
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      Quote: Marzhetsky
      Imagine.

      Not at all. In the photo for the article - Odessa Port Plant (OPZ).

      SCF is deliberately destroyed.

      http://v2.ik.arhano.ru/archives/articles/
  4. Artie Offline
    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 14 November 2019 01: 10
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    One thing is certain: the Ukrainians lost a magnificent country at the time of independence.
    1. sgrabik Offline
      sgrabik (Sergei) 14 November 2019 03: 11
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      Domaidan on their maydaun, galloped, fools potryuglegolovye !!!
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      chemyurij (chemyurij) 15 November 2019 12: 09
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      Quote: Artie
      country

      And the house. Millions are staggering across Europe and Russia, millions still have to do so. What country, if its citizens do not have a homeland, why at home, that is, a homeland. Sooner or later, this will come to an end. Which one? I don’t know yet.
  5. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 14 November 2019 08: 03
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    You won’t be able to sit on your neck, the shoulders of the Darkest are sloping, and you cannot sit still. Nobody wants to hang "little brothers" around their necks.

    That's for sure, pensioners will not let you lie. And about the hang of little brothers on the neck, Kolomoisky said bluntly the day before - $ 100 billion per barrel.
    1. A.Lex Offline
      A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 09: 42
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      laughing Yeah ... we just stroke the laces ...
    2. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 14 November 2019 22: 26
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      He will eat, but only, who will give him?
  6. boriz Online
    boriz (boriz) 14 November 2019 22: 25
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    No one needs a GTS. Depreciation - under 90%. Previously, the United States wanted to limit the access of Russian gas to Europe, but now bypass pipes are ready. Sorry, Ukraine needs a GTS. Internal gas distribution networks are tied to it. The rest do not care about her. This is how Ukraine will independently manage the restoration and maintenance of these pipes? Previously, the content went through transit, the rest was stolen. Now the freebie is over. Ukraine is sad.
    Naftogaz from 01.01.2020 does not exist.
    Motor Sich is nothing more than walls and roofs with worn-out infrastructure. People (specialists) and technology (documentation) have already been torn apart by Russia and China. Technologies there are not the most advanced (in fact, the USSR), they are not interested in the USA.
    As for the chernozems, it seems to me that an attempt to sell the land to foreigners will cost Well of power. Channel 112 conducted a poll: “Would you vote for the Servant of the People after the adoption of the law on the sale of land?” 92% said no.
    And the period of time in the New Year’s region seems to me to be a turning point. The situation will begin to develop unpredictably, Ze will fly off. Too many events are tied to the New Year. Alone - hard, but not deadly. But at the same time, Ukraine cannot stand it.
    And neither the United States nor Europe will want to go there. There will be no meaning and have seen enough already.
    And, in my opinion, the Russian Federation will “enter” it (not physically, we don’t need it either), and put its people in power. What people, the Russian Federation has already indicated.
    Nobody can push LDNR back to Ukraine. Also recently conducted polls.
    And in the USA from 01.01.2020. - elections. None of the candidates will call for conflict, no matter what Russia does. So, there is a window of opportunity until November 2020. Not only in Ukraine.
  7. commbatant Offline
    commbatant (Sergei) 15 November 2019 22: 40
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    Next he may well force Kiev to fulfill the Minsk agreements and to achieve the return of the DPR and LPR to the Square.

    How, the author, sorry, does not specify.

    ... in Russia and Ukraine will be presented as a great victory and the beginning of "rapprochement".

    The author is better informed about the interests of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, and what the hell of the Russian Federation is such a rapprochement? There can be only one rapprochement between the Russian Federation and the 404 country, recognition of Donbass as an independent state and an increase in the territory of the latter, due to the Independence ...

    Perhaps such a "bad world" is better than a "good war."

    For the author of the article and Ukraine - maybe ....
  8. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 16 November 2019 19: 02
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    Again, we are breaking spears here about the future of Ukraine .... Let it live, it will be like the post-imperial Russian Federation began to live after the civil war, after all these “white”, “red”, green and so forth. ... But then she was already occupied everywhere - and the British, and the Japanese, and Czech Slovaks, and Poles, and other interventions, and she is still alive, no matter how they buried her in the Western world, and defeated the Japanese, both Finns and Germans, and so not so happens in history - the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Austro-Hungarian collapsed, the Russian collapsed, the USSR collapsed it’s alive, and Ukraine will live in the same way, especially its Galician part, and our “partners” will constantly feed on money or weapons to constantly dragon Russia, so that our worst enemy will always be on our borders, like this is happening now with India and Pakistan.
  9. Nikolai Fursov Offline
    Nikolai Fursov (Nikolai Fursov) 5 December 2019 14: 41
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    One BUT - the LC and the DNI will never return to the so-called Ukraine.