Siemens Factor: Government may disrupt plans to produce Russian turbines


Power Machines PJSC (chairman of the board of directors - Alexey Mordashov), one of the leading Russian power engineering companies (St. Petersburg), appealed to the Russian government with a request to refuse the German company Siemens to conclude a special investment contract (SPIC). Power Machines believes that SPIK, in this case, will harm Russia's interests.


It should be noted that Power Machines is on the US sanctions list. At the same time, Siemens is known for a scandal over the supply of turbines for TPPs in Crimea. Power Machines PJSC has already stated that SPIK will enable the Germans to send turbines to Russia from their overstocked warehouses by 2023, which will negate the efforts of the Russian manufacturer to establish full-fledged domestic production of high-capacity gas turbines (GTBM).

I believe that the time of SPIC has passed. And concluding it now means setting unequal conditions for those who have seriously advanced in this process. For example, us

- believes the General Director of Power Machines Timur Lipatov

It should be recalled that Russian and foreign machine builders have been trying for five years to organize (establish) the production of GTBM in Russia. In addition, Siemens claims to SPIK Technology gas turbines ”is a joint venture (JV) of Siemens and Power Machines, where the Germans have a 65% share.

At the same time, in August 2019, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation did not approve the Siemens Gas Turbine Technology statement to the SPIC opinion filed on July 2, 2019. Then Siemens promised to invest 5 billion rubles in the localization of production of the SGT2000-1,16E turbine. By the way, SPIK is an agreement of the state with an investor, according to which the latter promises to make investments in exchange for the invariance of tax conditions for a specified period.

Power Machines believes that if SPIK is entered into with a foreign company, all the efforts of the Russian company to create domestic GTBM technology "can be reduced to zero." And in “Power Machines” they worry for good reason. After all, SPIK allows a delay in the localization of production for three years, and during this time Siemens will supply 20 finished turbines to Russia. Therefore, the requirements for the localization of production in Russia must be maintained.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 November 2019 17: 14
    +2
    Yes, let the Germans build a plant in the Russian Federation for the full production cycle of Siemens turbines in the Russian Federation ... Then we will deal with the sanctions and where to put the turbines and ask Siemens for an opinion ... That somehow doesn’t interfere with the other ... The main thing is, for the Germans to build a full-cycle plant, and not a screwdriver assembly from foreign car kits (Russia does not need this).
    1. Victor N Offline Victor N
      Victor N (Victor n) 11 November 2019 17: 59
      +8
      Not so easy. Their developers are more important, they will ensure progress in the future. And Siemens may come under sanctions, recall its specialists (they still need to prepare their own). Turbines will be needed differently, everything is impossible to imagine - and who will develop them - foreigners? "Mashproekt" Nikolaev was his own in the times of the USSR - and suddenly it turned out to be completely alien. It is better to produce such complex products ourselves.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 11 November 2019 22: 23
        +3
        Their developers are doing very little and slowly, so the plant built in Russia by the Germans, if it is a full-cycle plant, and not a screwdriver assembly, will not hinder Russia ... When Russia has a full-cycle plant, with equipment and a competitor in the form of domestic companies, Germans will become more accommodating and will not stutter about sanctions ... They started fussing out of fear that loot would flow away from their hands ... But Russia needs a lot of turbines to upgrade the fleet and power plants, and they need them yesterday, but not tomorrow, so there’s enough work for everyone ... That's it to catch their specialists ... let the Germans be mentors ... you just need to behave correctly with the Germans ... Germans need money, therefore you can set your own terms, albeit not always officially ... In the end, the Germans can make part of the production at a factory in the Russian Federation, not under the Siemens brand, but under the brand, for example, Severs ... and under this you can create a domestic ghost company ... so that there would be someone to nod at if the US opens its mouth ... white thread, but it doesn’t matter ... The machine project turned out to be in a foreign country, and here the plant will stand in the Russian Federation ... Different things...
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 13 November 2019 17: 51
          -1
          Their developers have long fled from poverty. As in the USSR, the designer gets 3 times less than, say, the operator of a CNC machine. Well, who needs to develop something?
          I'm from Kaluga, if that ...
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 13 November 2019 18: 34
            +2
            Don’t make me laugh ... Machine-tool workers today don’t get anything, therefore there were only useless bosses and projects on paper that no one can build in metal ... Only retired workers, with a beggarly salary of not more than 17000 rubles a month for a maximum of 6 categories (VASO and Rudgormash, if that ... and at other plants I know are not better).
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 14 November 2019 00: 23
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              I wrote that I am from Kaluga. Kaluga Turbine Plant. I heard? There is a salary ratio. True, there were reductions, but reductions in people.
            2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 49
              +1
              Right, Peregrine Falcon! And this is not only in your case. In servicing the population with the gas service (in the sense of the salary of IES workers) - the same thing, and the rates are MRAK and KOSHMAR !!!
        2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 46
          0
          Damn, after all, you sometimes have sensible statements! ... Why, most often, your comments from the majority of you who read, cause you to put a "-"?
      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 43
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        One does not interfere!
        The question is different - do we have such an engineering school that can use ANY (at least its own, even imported) equipment ... although it is clear that it’s out of date to produce the products Russia needs?
    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 11 November 2019 18: 40
      -2
      What hangover do they build the ZPC? To be asked later, as Italians with AvtoVAZ ...
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 November 2019 01: 26
        +4
        They want to build, so let them build ... But Italy raised a lot of money for Avto-Vaz, and back in the USSR ... There are no fools ... It would not be profitable for the Germans, they would not offer ... But ours now needs all this to do it on our conditions, so that the Germans earned, and they built a full production cycle for us, and trained our specialists ... The Germans will do this, because today the Russian Federation can do without them, but it will be longer without them.
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 50
          0
          ... as in the time of the unforgettable detention center ...
    3. smersh chek Offline smersh chek
      smersh chek (smersh chek) 11 November 2019 23: 15
      0
      Fritz will build, sell turbines, and then shut off the turbines via satellite in an hour x.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 12 November 2019 01: 28
        +3
        And look what they are building ... They will build something in the Russian Federation ... and set the conditions for checking components, manufacturing them in the Russian Federation, and supply your workers and engineers, let the Germans teach us our technologies ... Germans money they want, so don’t pay in vain, pay for the business ... The plant needs to be built a full cycle so that everyone in the Russian Federation does, and not a screwdriver assembly of German units made in Germany.
    4. Elephant Offline Elephant
      Elephant 13 November 2019 10: 55
      0
      Not so long ago, Crimea was already faced with the problem of German turbines, forgot this fact ?!
      1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
        A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 51
        0
        So that's the point!
  2. Sake Offline Sake
    Sake (Sake) 11 November 2019 18: 38
    -3
    I remember that back in the 90s it was Siemens who saved the SM from ruin, and a little leaning, screamed about the harmfulness of foreigners. So it was during the famine of 20-22, then the United States saved millions of starving people, and when the problem settled, the Americans were asked to leave the country, ungrateful, however!
    1. bobba94 Online bobba94
      bobba94 (Vladimir) 12 November 2019 15: 47
      +2
      I won’t say it for everyone, but I remember how the British company Cable and Wiless, one of the largest telecommunications companies in the world, rescued telecommunication enterprises in the Far East in the early 90s and how then they unceremoniously gave that company when they got to their feet. Verily, do not do good, and you will not have trouble.
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 13 November 2019 14: 19
        -3
        Yes, I remember, before, except for sexual intercourse, there was no other! I remember that at the call points the people shouted into the pipes ... aloe, but in response to silence ...
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 52
          +1
          Do not remember your independence, we are enough for you even without you.
          1. Sake Offline Sake
            Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 11: 02
            -3
            As M. Galkin recently said, what for we need all day and night for a flight, "and what is there in Ukraine"? Here I am about it.
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 16 November 2019 17: 27
              0
              wassat - this is all that can be said about you and your country (normal Ukrainians are sorry only).
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 13 November 2019 09: 59
      +2
      During the famine in 1930-31. the Americans refused to accept payment for the delivery of technical products with any money and gold. Only in grain. Given that they themselves had a "crisis of overproduction" and they burned their grain and drowned it in the rivers / sea. This is one of the main reasons for the extremely tragic development of events. And at 20 - 22. basically Nansen's foundation worked.
      The Germans are not as simple as they seem. Using our problems, we got into defense enterprises.
      And, for example, the whole post-war period, Italy was the main supplier of imports for Yugoslavia. After the bombing of Serbia by NATO countries, 90% of foreign firms in Serbia were German.
      Before writing about the miraculous altruism of the United States or Germany, remember the story.
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 13 November 2019 15: 18
        -5
        If the people in the country are dying of hunger, then no iron will bring happiness to this people after their death. But when the butcher bandits are in power, then for them one million more or less does not matter, the main thing is to prepare for the export of the revolution! Who gave you such a frost about export deliveries only in grain? At the same time, Roosevelt confiscated gold from the population and Soviet gold would have been by the way ... therefore, there is no need to mold a hunchback - it was a punishment for independence in the 18-19 years and for the fact that Stalin got horns in the campaign for "liberation "Polish workers!
        What is your rationale for famine in Kazakhstan? All livestock was seized there and sent to the USA too? And 4 million dead and 1,2 million who went abroad to whom you blame?
        Such a country and a folk of cannibals, the bloodier the regime, the more beloved! What is characteristic is that never in modern history has there been a state development program focused on improving well-being, on peaceful life, only on war! In the past 10 years, this trend has been especially noticeable, they have accelerated the modernization of the strategic nuclear forces, renewed the army, something is being done with respect to the fleet, propaganda is focused on aggression, on the seizure of foreign territories, on a hypocritical lie, on distortion of facts, on theft in unprecedented in history scale, the robbery of a faceless proud people!
  3. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 November 2019 21: 07
    -1
    Putin never completes what he has begun. So it is now. I think Siemens will "pay" who needs it and Power Machines will be left out of business. Putin forgives $ billions to Africa, and here Siemens himself offers money.
  4. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 12 November 2019 09: 16
    -1
    Good spoon for dinner!

    Let SIEMENS choke on its turbines !!!!
  5. bzbo Offline bzbo
    bzbo (Black doctor) 12 November 2019 16: 17
    +3
    Not enough Chinese Communists in the Russian government)))
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 54
      0
      Eck you had enough! Where are "one of the tepericha" - these RIGHT communists? "Alone" traders and remained!
    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 11: 08
      -4
      I agree on this argument, but then we must expect that 20-30% of the population will be shot or hanged, as the Chinese can well! And the rest bydlyak quietly go to China! Thus, the second development of the so-called Russian asians. The first time was in the 13-14 centuries the Mongol-Tatars, and now the Chinese, with which I congratulate you!
  6. Screw Offline Screw
    Screw (Gennady) 13 November 2019 11: 59
    0
    India and Iran need Siemens turbines, so let them build there. Together with Japan, they will compete on a neutral field. Maybe our turbines are promising in the future. And in front of the Americans, they quickly become frustrated and shout "yavol". Let's take it into account? The interests of the former GDR must be taken into account.
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 55
      0
      Suggest to send our Stirlitz? wink laughing
  7. plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 13 November 2019 18: 42
    +1
    Quote: Sake
    ... to be asked later, as Italians from AvtoVAZ ...

    Apparently, you signed the contract? Can you quote or source on this topic?
  8. plabu Offline plabu
    plabu 13 November 2019 18: 52
    +1
    Quote: Sake
    ... What is characteristic, never in modern history has there been a state development program focused on improving well-being, on peaceful life, only on war! In the past 10 years, this trend has been especially noticeable, they have accelerated the modernization of the strategic nuclear forces, renewed the army, something is being done with respect to the fleet, propaganda is focused on aggression, on the seizure of foreign territories, on a hypocritical lie, on distortion of facts, on theft in unprecedented in history scale, the robbery of a faceless proud people!

    Well, you will defend, having thrown everything straight, come, right?
    And what happens to those who could not defend themselves, your exemplary USA has repeatedly shown that in Yugoslavia, in Iraq, there are enough other places.
    Only when, in the midst of the bombing of Yugoslavia, some unlucky or inept pilot of the US Air Force managed to get into the territory of the Chinese Embassy, ​​and with the consequences, there was as if someone was hurt, from the Chinese, well, after that, not a day and not two - as the grandmother whispered with the bombing, why would it, eh? - "the cat smells whose meat it has eaten" (c)
    And consider further that we are sleeping and see how to win someone) why - they can not really explain it always, but they regularly write about it))) "peshi ischo")))
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 18: 57
      0
      321, are you 123? If so, then why did you take Svidomo to argue?
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 14 November 2019 21: 08
        0
        Alas, it’s not me, we are different)
        And about arguing - why argue, it is enough for him to give a "shock" - so that the rest of his opuses are not accidentally infected :)
    2. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 11: 17
      -4
      We were deceived all our lives, they argued that ... as soon as we were weakened, the evil bourgeoisie would take all our wealth, and we would be enslaved ...! The only thing that has been achieved is the creation of gigantic armies and mountains of weapons, under which this regime was buried along with the country. And when the hour of "reckoning" came, it turns out, no one planned to capture us! Homegrown thieves and bandits in the face of the KGB defeated the country! That is the problem, it turns out that the party, the government, the military-industrial complex and the military have deceived and robbed us all the post-war period (which continues today), but no one asks questions like that, it becomes scary that lives were lived and laid for the sake of liars and thieves at the trough!
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 15 November 2019 11: 31
        0
        Just looking for an Internet you are looking for what and to whom ALREADY belongs, what kind of news they are waiting for you there - it’s DON'T GRAB on a topic)
        1. Sake Offline Sake
          Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 12: 39
          -4
          Your nonsense is designed for stupid ones who, except for the zombie creator, see nothing! The Constitution of the Russian Federation stipulates that subsoil (minerals) is a national treasure. But as soon as these minerals are raised to the surface, they are already someone else's property, and these owners, by a strange coincidence, are the close environment of the irremovable ?!
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 15 November 2019 20: 25
            +1
            We were deceived all our lives, they argued that ... as soon as we were weakened, the evil bourgeoisie would take all our wealth, and we would be enslaved ...! The only thing that has been achieved is the creation of gigantic armies and mountains of weapons, under which this regime was buried along with the country. And when the hour of "reckoning" came, it turns out, no one planned to capture us! ...

            Flies separately, cutlets separately - who wrote here that no one has captured anyone ??? If the owner is not ours, is this a takeover or not?
            Once again, for especially talented people like you, you are looking for a list of owners, and when you find it yourself, you will be surprised. It turns out that those who are particularly smart, like you, think that ours has long been NOT ours, and feeds the foreign owner - and you continue to tell your tales about the zombie tv, I watch sports exclusively on TV - volleyball, basketball, here just now coming).
            PS You are looking for your comments, I do not need to help)
            1. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 15 November 2019 21: 00
              -2
              Let's go through the list of owners: Sechin, Miller, Rotenbergs, Timchenko, Roldugin, Shalomovs (Putin's maternal relatives), Putin's - their whole jamb, Shamalovs, Vekselberg, Abramovich, Alikperov, Usmanov, etc. Isn't it a colorful set? And for these "businessmen" they are preparing the peoples of the Russian Federation for a mass exodus to Hell ?! How do you hate your sons and grandchildren in order to give them up for slaughter for these muzzles ?!
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 16 November 2019 04: 38
                +1
                You didn’t intend to look for the list of owners, so what, were you banned from searching for Internet?) And the set of writing by you - from which mossy training manual did you get it?
                1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex (Secret information) 16 November 2019 17: 21
                  +1
                  You are trying in vain - this is one of the "ukroneta fighters". And it will not be possible to reach his brains - they are not there.
                  1. plabu Offline plabu
                    plabu 16 November 2019 17: 58
                    +1
                    Thank you for the warning, but I already somehow answered - this individual is of last interest to me, suddenly someone else, having read these opuses, will get infected? Here I am writing for them)
  9. assault 2019 Offline assault 2019
    assault 2019 (assault 2019) 13 November 2019 21: 23
    +1
    PJSC Power Machines is not against Siemens, with whom it has a partnership, they are against the conclusion of a special investment contract between the Ministry of Industry and Trade and Siemens, under which Siemens can import turbines manufactured by Siemens abroad for three years into Russia.
    If, when concluding a SPIC, this clause can be eliminated or reduced to one year by providing other benefits, then the number of "imported" turbines will sharply decrease and the market will wait for turbines produced by a joint venture in Russia.
    The government has to choose between Siemens, which, having invested a billion rubles in the joint venture (in fact a mere penny), will freely transport to Russia dozens of its turbines produced at foreign plants and will satisfy the needs of the Russian market for 7-10 years ahead.
    At the same time, the domestic manufacturer, which has not been ordered, has never mastered the production of turbines, will be bent forever, and Siemens will have the opportunity to twist their hands again and set any conditions for Russia.