Creeping expansion: the Far East becomes the "province" of China?

In Russia, one can often hear talk about the creeping expansion of China and that the Far East has already de facto become the unofficial province of the Celestial Empire. Is it really so, and if so, who is to blame, and what should be done?




For the last time, our Far East is no longer ours, the Far Eastern deputy Andrei Andreichenko said in the State Duma:

China receives cheap electricity from us. Moreover, it is cheaper than in Russia. Soon it will begin to receive gas, although our regions are not gasified. Next is the forest. It is time to stop the export of the "ship" to China.


So, the conversation is substantive: electricity, gas and forest.

electric power


In figures, everything does not look very beautiful: 1 kW / h costs China 1 ruble 25 kopecks, and in the same Blagoveshchensk it costs about 3 rubles. At the time, talking about discrimination against Russians, but everything is somewhat more complicated than it seems at first glance.

The energy system of the Far East is largely isolated, and its generating capacity is excessive for this sparsely populated region. So far, they have not yet learned how to “conserve” excess electricity, so it is profitable for generating enterprises and network companies to sell it to neighboring rapidly developing China. Nothing personal, just business.

As for the price, China takes electricity at the rate that it considers acceptable for itself, knowing that Russia has nowhere to put it on, and idle water discharges to hydroelectric power stations do nothing good. Why is it more expensive for its own population? Profile Minister Alexander Novak explains this as follows:

In the cost of goods are the costs associated with the payment of salaries, with logistics. Therefore, when we talk about generating electricity and how much it costs, it costs exactly as much as the cost price.


Up to the end consumer, electricity goes through lines and transformers belonging to different companies. In its value lies the profit of all these intermediaries. If you dig very deeply, then the reasons for the high tariffs will lie in the so-called “RAO UES reform”, when the country's unified energy system was split up and sold out in parts to “effective owners” according to the prescription of A. B. Chubais.

Gas


Next month, deliveries to China will begin. After reaching full capacity, 38 billion cubic meters of “blue fuel” will be pumped to the PRC annually through the “Power of Siberia”. However, at the same time, many regions of our own country are not gasified; in the village they heat wood. Why is that?

The thing is that we live in a world of victorious capitalism. Gazprom needs revenue in foreign currency, so the export direction is a priority for him. Despite the impressive price tags that the “national treasure” set for connecting to gas, top management is not set up to pull pipes to each remote village. Tea, not the Communists are sitting there. It is necessary to have time to warm Europe, and to boost China's industrial development. But the state does not have money to subsidize such projects, we still need to restore Syria.

Forest


China is our largest buyer of raw wood. About 20 million cubic meters of round timber go there annually through official channels. But besides this, there are also “black loggers” who do not bother with security measures and subsequent restoration of forests. Because of this, every year millions of hectares of taiga burn out, livestock die, and the environment suffers.

The most interesting thing is that not only the Chinese are illegally working with saws and axes, but our compatriots who are conducting this criminal business in favor of the interests of China. This is fertile ground for the flourishing of corruption in the control and law enforcement agencies of the Far East.

How did this become possible? If you dig a full bayonet, it turns out that a terrible blow to the Russian taiga was inflicted upon the adoption of the Forest Code, when tens of thousands of professional foresters were reduced, and the authority for forest protection was transferred from the federal to the regional level without proper funding. And everything fell. Surprisingly, over the past decade since the adoption of the LC of the Russian Federation, “a damn dozen” no one has bothered to reverse the destructive decisions.
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  2. vvnab Offline vvnab
    vvnab (Vitali) 8 November 2019 11: 34
    +6
    Good article. With the right look at the problem.
    I already thought, looking at the headline, now again it will be about scary and terrible China!) But it’s not China that captures us, it’s we getting together ... (
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 18: 57
      -4
      But radish horseradish is not sweeter. All of this is the same. Space is freed for the new owner. In the year 35, all Koreans were deported from Primorye and Sakhalin, although from time immemorial they lived there and it was their original land! But who was interested in it, the Koreans became the first people who were deprived of their land and their homeland, then other peoples were deported, and Russians were settled in their homes from the central zone. Now the process has begun in the opposite direction, the Russians are leaving and negative demography, freeing up space for other nations. The development of Russia begins with the Far East! Clutching teeth in the West for a strange Crimea, in the East of the Russian Federation will lose space and resources thousands of times more! Where is government thinking and planning?
  3. boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 12: 08
    -1
    Sergey, flies separately, cutlets separately. Novak and Miller fill the budget very efficiently. And how this budget is used is not a question for them. Domestic gasification, as far as I know, is made from the budget. Allocates EP money - Gazprom (its units) produces gasification. He does not consider it necessary for EP to change the forest (and not only) legislation in favor of the people - well, it does not change. Thanks to Chubais, some distribution networks were completely in the hands of foreign companies. EP does not want to change this state of affairs (and apart from EP no one can change it yet) - well, it does not change.
    When Sechin was deputy prime minister, tariffs and excise taxes were adjusted so that it was more profitable to process oil inside the country. And gasoline prices somehow kept up. Sechin was removed from Rosneft - a "tax maneuver" happened and gasoline prices went up. At the same time, everyone notes the highest efficiency of Rosneft (under Sechin). Who did it? Again United Russia, represented by Medvedev, who is also the head of government.
    So China has nothing to do with it. As Grandfather Krylov wrote:

    Necha on the mirror to blame, if the face is crooked.

    And our erysipelas - EP, they themselves (like) chose. Or the CEC?
    1. Sake Offline Sake
      Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 19: 00
      -3
      The question is, who is the "overseer" or "leader" of the listed characters?
  4. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 12: 57
    +2
    Much has been written about the fact that the activities of Putin and the company do not meet the needs and interests of Russia ... Mikhail Zadornov also said that it was time to produce chocolate with the name "Putin's Tales" ... The fact that electricity and other things are sold abroad are more expensive than for the inhabitants of Russia, this is a crime against the population of Russia, which occurs, at least with the tacit consent of Putin and the ruling party ... Do we need such a president? Definitely NO!
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 13: 45
      0
      This is your purely personal opinion. I'm happy with Putin. Medvedev, United Russia, Nabiulin, Oreshkin and all this liberda are not happy.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 13: 54
        +4
        Lord, did Medvedev and Nabiullina have been predicted, didn’t Putin appoint, and aren’t they doing what they are doing with his tacit consent ?! Again, a tale of an allegedly good king with bad boyars appointed by him ...
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 14: 04
          +1
          Putin is not the king. He is a representative of a certain group. Country policy is the result of agreements between groups. These arrangements reflect the resources of the groups that have emerged as a result of the 90s. Even officially, Putin’s competencies are very narrow. It is amazing that he did what he did. Of course, we want everything at once. Alas.
          In the meantime, we see that everything that is done within the competence of Putin is being done well and in the interests of the country and people. Even the activities of corporations abroad are conducted offensively and with benefit to the people. And inside the country - alas ...
          The same Gazprom in Germany acts beyond praise. Where did Putin serve? ...
          1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 15: 00
            +4
            Putin has been in power for 20 years, so fables about EVERYTHING and IMMEDIATELY do not roll here ... 20 years is a long time, it would be time to answer for what he did before the people, and very little was useful and quite a lot was harmful (raising the retirement age, settlement of cross-border disputes with China and Norway to the detriment of Russia, etc.) ... If he can’t do anything, then he won’t need him anymore ... Russia needs a president, not a puppet in the hands of pro-Western oligarchs.
            1. boriz Offline boriz
              boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 19: 11
              -3
              Nominate your candidacy, what's the problem?
              1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 20: 12
                +1
                And you do not wait until I nominate myself, resign!
            2. Sake Offline Sake
              Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 19: 27
              -2
              I completely agree with you!
          2. Sake Offline Sake
            Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 19: 09
            -2
            When did you return from a flight to the moon or to Mars? He single-handedly rules everything for 20 years! Judging by the results of his activities, all his personal friends and lizuns became billionaires and millionaires, civil liberties prescribed in the constitution are already rolled up under the skirting board, natural resources, while they are underground, are a national treasure, and on the surface they already have their master , you list the names?
      2. Oleg Kalugin Offline Oleg Kalugin
        Oleg Kalugin (Oleg Kalugin) 8 November 2019 14: 22
        0
        I also like Putin in foreign policy.
        There is a question, however, on domestic policy in our country: how much is GDP and Dimon, EP, etc. - are inseparable? Isn't that one? Well, for example, if honestly, then the age was raised not by Dimon, but by Putin!
        But is the system of CAPITALISM in one country from Putin, but from Medvedev, Oreshkin and United Russia ...?
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 15: 01
          -2
          Well, for example, Dimon constantly throws Putin’s May decrees (everyone has forgotten what years), which puts the President in a stupid position. Putin always abides by agreement. Pensions are internal affairs, so he signed a decree. If I hadn’t signed, the start of a full-blown conflict with unpredictable consequences. But the law was developed and adopted in the Duma. Liberals, however, defiantly do not fulfill the agreement, which undermines the situation.
          The bulk of the people have ideas about the work of the power machine - at the level of the average housewife: Putin is the king and does what he wants. Exactly the same thing happened under Stalin. Vali is all on the edge.
          1. Sake Offline Sake
            Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 19: 29
            +2
            Well, for example, Dimon constantly throws Putin's decrees in May (everyone has already forgotten what years).

            You are a strange person, but where is Putin at the same time? On the moon or on Mars?
          2. Oleg Kalugin Offline Oleg Kalugin
            Oleg Kalugin (Oleg Kalugin) 9 November 2019 17: 06
            0
            Comrade, I have been in power for more than one year, and not in small positions! You do not tell me about power - okay! And that nonsense that you are talking to me is nonsense because part of the small is true, and the rest is noodles for NODovtsev!
      3. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 19: 02
        -1
        In this country, everything is decided by one person and his name ..... no one dares to smack the gag!
    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 November 2019 13: 49
      -4
      Firstly, most of what is sold abroad from the Russian Federation comes at a much higher price than the domestic market. In certain regions with an excess of energy, selling abroad at a cheaper price is a completely normal trend, since it is better to sell cheaper than just lose. The Czech Republic, for example, also sells electricity to Germany cheaper than it consumes domestically, but it produces more energy than it uses most of the year. This is quite reasonable and common in the world. So do not carry nonsense ... once again ... negative If you don’t understand anything in the subject ...
      That’s what the region needs to develop in order for it to consume this energy, this is another question. And if he himself does not have enough people and strength, then why not do it with the Chinese. Let them go, only on the condition that they become citizens of the Russian Federation ... Why not?
  5. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 8 November 2019 13: 59
    +2
    And why are the generating capacities redundant? Then where is our market economy? After all, the more, the price should be less? Everything that concerns the welfare of its people - a market economy does not work! The article is very correct. And I ask Putin’s defenders to answer the question: What should Putin do in order to speak obscene about him? SMOKES to sell?
  6. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 8 November 2019 14: 16
    +6
    Quote: boriz
    This is your purely personal opinion. I'm happy with Putin. Medvedev, United Russia, Nabiulin, Oreshkin and all this liberda are not happy.

    I do not quite understand this logic. Medvedev, Kudrin and other liberdas are Putin’s personal friends since Peter’s time. It is he who appoints them to all posts. These are all mandatory applications to it that cannot be uninstalled.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 16: 56
      -2
      Colleagues don't mean friends yet. Again, many years have passed. People change. There is another option. The prime minister's post is a bed of liberals, a person in this post will, by definition, do what they say to him. Or fly out instantly. So why not contribute to appointing your person there? To keep abreast of trends, but in the long run, in the end ... Recall Serdyukov.
      Someone from Liberdi is a convinced goon, and someone ...
      1. Sake Offline Sake
        Sake (Sake) 8 November 2019 19: 40
        +1
        In a country where an autocrat has ruled for more than 20 years, there cannot be parallel ruling structures! The question is different, they are all jesters at the throne, and the tsar pretends that he has opposition, he can afford it, in the evening they rehearse tomorrow's concert for the stupefied masses. In the country, the ruling elite, the raw-material and industrial oligarchy, the security forces and organized crime groups have intertwined into a single ball, and all this is called power!
  7. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 8 November 2019 14: 18
    +5
    Quote: Pyshenkov
    And if he himself does not have enough people and strength, then why not do it with the Chinese. Let them go, only on the condition that they become citizens of the Russian Federation ... Why not?

    An original proposal ... Well, the Germans, within the framework of the Ost plan, would probably also have mastered Siberia quite well ... only for themselves.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 16: 59
      +2
      Here I agree. Letting the Chinese on a regular basis is an idea. A Chinese will never become a former.
      They themselves believe and say that China is where the Chinese live.
  8. Marzhecki Offline Marzhecki
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 8 November 2019 14: 20
    +5
    Quote: boriz
    Sergey, flies separately, cutlets separately. Novak and Miller fill the budget very efficiently. And how this budget is used is not a question for them. Domestic gasification, as far as I know, is made from the budget. Allocates EP money - Gazprom (its units) produces gasification. He does not consider it necessary for EP to change the forest (and not only) legislation in favor of the people - well, it does not change. Thanks to Chubais, some distribution networks were completely in the hands of foreign companies. EP does not want to change this state of affairs (and apart from EP, no one can change it yet) - well, it does not.
    When Sechin was deputy prime minister, tariffs and excise taxes were adjusted so that it was more profitable to process oil inside the country. And gasoline prices somehow kept up. Sechin was removed from Rosneft - a "tax maneuver" happened and gasoline prices went up. At the same time, everyone notes the highest efficiency of Rosneft (under Sechin). Who did it? Again United Russia, represented by Medvedev, who is also the head of government.
    So China has nothing to do with it. As Grandfather Krylov wrote:

    Necha on the mirror to blame, if the face is crooked.

    And our erysipelas - EP, they themselves (like) chose. Or the CEC?

    That is, the ruling party, EP, is to blame for everything? Well, personally, I never voted for her.
    1. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 8 November 2019 17: 00
      +1
      Do you believe the CEC?
  9. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 8 November 2019 14: 32
    -2
    China receives cheap electricity from us. Moreover, it is cheaper than in Russia. Soon it will begin to receive gas, although our regions are not gasified. Next is the forest. It is time to stop the export of the "ship" to China.

    LDPR for all good and against all bad? Populist statements and nothing more. The solution to all problems is one thing - the main thing is to sell nothing to China. I, too, for all the good, but let's not put everything in a heap.

    So, the conversation is substantive: electricity, gas and forest.

    Let's try to talk. The article rightly notes that the power system of the Far East is isolated, in addition, the construction of generating facilities is more expensive due to the poorly developed infrastructure. In general, due to objective reasons, electricity in the Far East will be more expensive. Is there something new in this? Not only electricity is more expensive there, there is generally different pricing and this state of affairs did not arise yesterday. Remember "the price is for I belt, for II belt, III belt ..


    So the Far East is the third belt. Even if the "red-haired reformer" is kicked out and the middlemen are removed, which would be great, by the way, prices will still not be equal to the European part of the country.

    After reaching full capacity, 38 billion cubic meters of “blue fuel” will be pumped to the PRC annually through the “Power of Siberia”. However, at the same time, many regions of our own country are not gasified; in the village they heat wood.

    Sounds good ..... but what about cars? Do everyone have it? So let's stop exporting until each citizen is provided with personal transport smile How do you like this logic?

    Despite the impressive price tags that the “national treasure” set for connecting to gas, top management is not set up to pull pipes to each remote village. Tea, not the Communists are sitting there. It is necessary to have time to warm Europe, and to boost China's industrial development. But the state does not have money to subsidize such projects, we still need to restore Syria.

    There will be no money from gas exports, and there will be no gasification. Work may not be as fast as we would like, but it’s going on. Figures at the link https://rg.ru/2019/03/26/vladimir-putin-poruchil-uskorit-gazifikaciiu-regionov.html
    Everything is right in the forest, but there are positive shifts. This is not to say that no one is raising this problem



    Dmitry Anatolyevich has long deserved a "magic pendel", but nevertheless, something is being done
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnQ1QvkgLWM

    And about Syria in vain like this .... maybe the author will tell you in more detail how we are being robbed of the latter for the restoration of Syria?
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 15: 07
      +2
      The question is not whether to sell or not, but what exactly to sell and at what prices ... and this price should in no case be higher for the domestic market of the Russian Federation than for selling abroad ... And it’s not only in China ... Russian forest is also shamelessly exported - a round timber for a penny, without any benefit to Russia, but with great harm to it ... This is a crime and betrayal of the state interests of Russia, the interests of the indigenous population of Russia, and not patients with Russophobia foreigners, such as the fascist Chubais, for whom dozens of mi Lyon Russian citizens, it is normal! The same Chernomyrdin left Russia without turbines for frigates, lobbying for the interests of Ukrainian plants to the detriment of the development of domestic industry, and Putin calls icebreakers by his name ... The President of Russia dares to name ships in Russia by the name of a man who harmed Russia ... This is a spit in the face of everyone who considers himself to be patriots of Russia and does not at all make Putin and the company patriots of Russia ... By the way, when will boards be sold instead of logs abroad ?! Or is your (brilliant) leader with your supposedly effective managers and sawmills unable to build ?!
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 8 November 2019 15: 25
        0
        The question is not whether to sell or not, but what exactly to sell and at what prices ... moreover, this price should in no case be higher for the domestic market.

        Well, show your abilities, organize the sale of electricity to the Chinese at 7 rubles per kilowatt. The people will be grateful to you hi Or at least tell me how to do it. smile

        And it’s not only in China ... Russian forest is also shamelessly exported - a round timber for a penny, without any benefit to Russia, but with great harm to it ...

        To ban in Finland too? Are you worried for a penny? Engage in recycling, not whine. Who's bothering? The forest is driven from wherever it grows. Those who wish can find on the same site information on how to transport boards from China to Belarus by containers. Or are boards already deep processing? And note, no one squeals that Father Butka sells public good for a penny.

        This is a crime and betrayal of the state interests of Russia, the interests of the indigenous population of Russia, and not foreigners suffering from Russophobia, such as the fascist Chubais, for whom to drive tens of millions of Russian citizens into a coffin with their reforms is normal!

        Bravo! good Is Chubais a foreigner?
        1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
          Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 15: 35
          +1
          Resign and give me a place in the Kremlin, then throw me such demands ... But are the Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, not foreign countries ?! Chubais - he, in your opinion, who is Russian, Tatar, Yakut ....?! Chubais is a person with Russophobia who has nothing to do with the indigenous population of the Russian Federation ... guilty of genocide of the population of the Russian Federation! Boards are not a deep processing, but at least some kind of processing, which gives jobs and profits, compared with the stupid sale of logs!
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 8 November 2019 16: 37
            0
            Resign and give me a place in the Kremlin, then throw me such demands ..

            Be patient, a year before retirement. And advice on how to sell more expensive, give?

            But are the Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians - this is the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, and not foreign countries ?! Chubais - he, in your opinion, who is Russian, Tatar, Yakut ....?! Chubais is a person with Russophobia who has nothing to do with the indigenous population of the Russian Federation ..

            And in your opinion, only the indigenous population should have any rights? Write, for example, Leo Boqueria, explain that he is nobody here. Will the hand rise? I do not defend Chubais, but do not even try to push Nazism under the guise of patriotism. Such patriots are now held in high esteem in the Baltic States and Ukraine.

            Boards are not a deep processing, but at least some kind of processing, which gives jobs and profits, compared with the stupid sale of logs!

            Everything is done, nothing happens right away.

            https://lp k-sibiri.ru/forest-industry/analytics/lpk-rossii-itogi-raboty-za-pervoe-polugodie-2019/
            1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
              Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 8 November 2019 20: 22
              +2
              Do you know how to read ?! They have been giving you such advice for 20 years ... Gasoline, diesel fuel and boards are more expensive than oil and logs, and you put on our lights and continue to drive logs and oil over the hill ... Therefore, we ask you to resign, you are tired (the ruling party ) already with your empty chatter and bad deeds ... And you do not try to push Russophobia under the guise of anti-fascism and pseudo-human rights protection ... In Saudi Arabia, the indigenous population has all the benefits, and newcomers have a residence permit, and this is right, because Chubais bring Russia only harm, pulling away Russian money for farmers, to the detriment of the indigenous population of Russia ... And yes, I want the president of Russia to be a representative of the indigenous population of Russia, and not a foreigner sick with Russophobia, for whom Russia is a cash cow, and nothing more ... And no fascism. ..it was necessary to think about fascism when refugees from your independent countries went to the Russian Federation, robbed to the bone by your forest brothers, Bandera and Basmachi, who are the heroes of your states, and Russians are not citizens who are forbidden to study and speak their native language, even in regions that your Ana fraudulent manner pressed from the RSFSR in the Soviet times, under the false tales of brotherhood, in which you yourselves have never believed ... Suffice it to recall a member of the Communist Party Dalia Grybauskaite, to see which of you fascists ...
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 8 November 2019 21: 40
                -2
                As the fever passes, write what I wanted to say. From this nonsense did not understand anything. sad
  10. Radikal Offline Radikal
    Radikal 9 November 2019 16: 59
    +1
    In Russia, one can often hear talk about the creeping expansion of China and that the Far East has already de facto become the unofficial province of the Celestial Empire. Is it really so, and if so, who is to blame, and what should be done?

    Does the author have an answer? sad
  11. Joe Cook Offline Joe Cook
    Joe Cook (Joe Cook) 9 November 2019 17: 21
    +1
    Again everything in a heap, horses, people, gas, Chinese. How can you carry such nonsense ?!
  12. Maria Shibanova Offline Maria Shibanova
    Maria Shibanova (Maria Shibanova) 20 December 2019 14: 42
    0
    Russia is laying under the China Government. Everyone bent over in front of the Chinese. It's disgusting. And these Chinese people are dragging everything to themselves on the sly. We have in our "friends" crazy idiopathic people - GOBLINS from China. How was this ..was allowed into Russia? Who will you lead ...