Only on one condition: Russia refused to sign a gas contract with Ukraine

The management of the Ukrainian company Naftogaz was deeply mistaken in deciding that it had found a dimensionless feeding trough in the form of the Russian Gazprom, which, at the first request of Kiev, would pay billions of dollars.




The head of Naftogaz Andrey Kobolev did not have time to post his Facebook fantasy regarding the fact that Gazprom owes Ukraine $ 22 billion, as the Russian company said that signing a new contract for the transit of Russian gas is possible only in the event of mutual cancellation of claims.

The press service of Gazprom noted that this issue was discussed by the head of the company Alexey Miller with the German government representative for gas transit through Ukraine Georg Graf Waldersee and is a fundamentally important issue that needs to be resolved before the conclusion of a new transit agreement.

In particular, the message said that the waiver of mutual claims concerns not only cases pending in international arbitration, but also the decision of the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine to impose a fine on Gazprom of seven billion dollars, which Kobolev mentioned in his entry .

Thus, Gazprom outlined its negotiating position, which is unlikely to change. And about how justified were the ambitions of the leadership of the Ukrainian Naftogaz, we will find out in the near future.
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  1. steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 November 2019 17: 57
    -6
    Will GAZPROM fulfill the decision of the Swedish court? Therefore, they started talking about their position early.
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 6 November 2019 18: 02
      +4
      Will GAZPROM fulfill the decision of the Swedish court? Therefore, they started talking about their position early.

      The final court decision is still far away, and the new year is near. Negotiations will be needed faster than the appeal ends.
    2. g1washntwn Offline g1washntwn
      g1washntwn (George Washington) 7 November 2019 06: 37
      +5
      Tomorrow the EU will rewrite its energy packages once again and the Stockholm Arbitration Court will decide that 2 * 2 = 5 ... also run to rewrite textbooks? For me, it’s easier to let Europe feel the difference in price between Gazprom and US LNG. Everything is relative. It is necessary to intensify the processing of its gas, develop the chemical industry, otherwise the gasification problem was shoved onto the population itself and we are happy to pump the national treasure over the hill.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 7 November 2019 12: 41
        +2
        Tomorrow the EU will rewrite its energy packages once again and the Stockholm Arbitration Court will decide that 2 * 2 = 5 ... also run to rewrite textbooks?

        Energy packages can be rewritten in both directions, when they need, the thought begins to work in the right direction.

        https://topcor.ru/11811-germanija-gotovitsja-obojti-ogranichenija-po-severnomu-potoku-2.html

        The arbitration in Stockholm is indeed very strange, but maybe it dawned on them that they had gotten into the wrong track. Perhaps that is why the appeal decision on the Ukrainian lawsuit has not yet been voiced.

        For me, it’s easier to let Europe feel the difference in price between Gazprom and US LNG. Everything is relative.

        Do you propose to stop gas supplies? Just think, we won’t get some billions of dollars. Let the Americans earn while we just pay the penalties on contractual obligations and get a reputation as an unscrupulous supplier. Well, then back to the market there will be a problem.

        It is necessary to intensify the processing of its gas, develop the chemical industry, otherwise the gasification problem was shoved onto the population itself and we are happy to pump the national treasure over the hill.

        Develop, here is the site:



        It’s not entirely clear what gasification for the population means they’ve shoved?
        1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
          A.Lex (Secret information) 8 November 2019 08: 43
          0
          It’s not entirely clear what gasification for the population means they’ve shoved?

          And just very - from 60 to 150 tyrov ...
          1. 123 Offline 123
            123 (123) 8 November 2019 09: 27
            +1
            And just very - from 60 to 150 tyrov ...

            I can not judge the validity of tariffs, the topic is complex. And as for the connection itself .. would you like for free? Excuse me, are you a war veteran or a mother of many children? I still remember how they dug a trench and pulled a gas pipe to our house, and it was not free. And it was during the USSR. belay
            1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
              A.Lex (Secret information) 8 November 2019 16: 54
              +1
              But the question is not free! The question is the adequacy of prices! And this is not a price, but a robbery! Let's add a quarterly increase in prices for repair work (for replacing gas appliance spare parts) and replacement of hot gas - they are growing by leaps and bounds (replacing the boiler - 3000 r. (And this is only for connecting the hose to the boiler and starting it ... everything else the subscriber MUST do it yourself!))! Well, to the heap - an increase in gas prices every six months. I’m just wondering - with gas abroad, gas prices throughout the year are constant, but inflation is pouring into our ears! But if I am not mistaken, then by raising energy prices, prices will rise for everything else ?! In my unenlightened view, our native state allows Gazprom owners to cash in on the population (since there are losses of excess profits due to inflation - do they need to somehow compensate for their losses? That's what they compensate at our expense!).
              Are you aware that NOW any call from gas workers is PAID (regardless of the reason - they even want to bring an emergency call under this case)? And the fact that the locksmith himself is guilty of a malfunction (this often happens - inexperienced locksmiths are often "mumbled", because too much turnover due to a small salary), nobody cares!
              And yes - the emergency gang in our area was canceled (and this with a population of more than 40000 people) more than 10 years ago. The nearest emergency gang - more than 200 km - is in the trust (the regional center is 100 km, but the trust is already different).
              1. 123 Offline 123
                123 (123) 8 November 2019 17: 44
                +1
                But the question is not free, 123! The question is the adequacy of prices! And this is not a price, but a robbery! Let's add a quarterly increase in prices for repair work (for replacing gas appliance parts) and replacement of hot gas - they are growing by leaps and bounds (replacing the boiler - 3000 r. (And this is only for connecting the hose to the boiler and starting it ... everything else is the subscriber MUST do it yourself!))!

                In the course, I also use gas. We came here, we did boiler maintenance ..... we measured the pressure with a device (for leakage, we used to just spray it with soapy water), removed the boiler lid, vacuumed it, put it back in place - 3 r (something like that, I don’t remember, paper reluctance to climb). And this is approximately payment for gas for 000 months. smile And what is a hose to screw on and how much does it cost - I also know firsthand. So here I am in complete solidarity with you, but again, the question of tariffs and free connection is a bit different. Naturally, I am in favor of lowering the tariffs, which are, in my opinion, overpriced, but this is more likely to the Antitrust Service. And I don’t remember a free connection.
                1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                  A.Lex (Secret information) 10 November 2019 15: 44
                  0
                  Something you have for that is a bit too much ... We have for the boiler (in the house), PG-4x (in the house), Pech.Gor. (in the bath), PG-4x (in Let.kitchen) - and even less ...
                  1. 123 Offline 123
                    123 (123) 10 November 2019 15: 58
                    +1
                    Something you have for that is a bit too much ... We have for the boiler (in the house), PG-4x (in the house), Pech.Gor. (in the bath), PG-4x (in Let.kitchen) - and even less ...

                    He climbed into the paper, checked, made a mistake with the amount, smile the act says 3300r. VAT included. Boiler in the Buderos apartment.
                    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                      A.Lex (Secret information) 10 November 2019 16: 59
                      +1
                      Ndaaa ... I thought we had a lot ... And as for wall-mounted boilers, I advise everyone who asks me if possible - they are too capricious and too demanding of water. Floor standing unpretentious, such as "Lemax", "Keber" (with automatic equipment "Arbat" or "Eurosit") and with a circulation pump (installed separately for heating - on the return) - the best option, and put an electric boiler on the water supply. Here, yes - much depends on the hardness of the water ...
                      1. 123 Offline 123
                        123 (123) 10 November 2019 18: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: A.Lex
                        Ndaaa ... I thought we had a lot ... And about wall-mounted boilers - to everyone who asks me, I advise whenever possible - they are too capricious and too demanding on water.

                        For 10 years, one malfunction, the gas stopped igniting (the wires were burned out). Water without lime, we have a lot of iron.
                      2. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
                        A.Lex (Secret information) 14 November 2019 09: 43
                        0
                        In! And with us - on the contrary ... Everywhere is different ...
      2. Ehanatone Offline Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 11 November 2019 03: 05
        0
        It’s not entirely clear what gasification for the population means they’ve shoved?

        But just very - from 60 to 150 tyrov.

        And what kind of vegetable is incomprehensible here:
        In 2017, it was possible to solve personal gasification for 30000, but yesterday ...
        In 2018, don’t come without 150000 - because now they have a comprehensive approach for 150000 ...
  2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 7 November 2019 11: 16
    +3
    And since when did the Swedish court become the main and only instance for Russia, the decisions of which we so need to implicitly execute ???
  • boriz Offline boriz
    boriz (boriz) 6 November 2019 22: 08
    +5
    Why is there one condition?
    There are three of them. In addition to zeroing the penalties, Gazprom has access to direct gas supplies to Ukraine and there is no threshold for pumping volumes. As much as necessary, we pump as much. Well, direct gas supplies are trolling those who supported Ze, counting on kickbacks from reverse circuits. Bummer, sir!
  • Herr Miller! Do not scam for nothing - start already demolishing the pipe.
  • Whiskey's organs is delta (Long_Shot) 7 November 2019 11: 49
    -5
    And what will Gazprom do? SP-2 will not be built until the New Year, pumping through SP-1 is limited by the 2nd energy package of the EU, contracts with consumers have been concluded and the allowable volumes to satisfy them through SP-1 are not enough. Option 2: either renegotiate the "transit" one in Naftogaz, or receive multibillion-dollar lawsuits under unfulfilled contracts. So Gazprom is not going anywhere - there is a pipe everywhere (lol).
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 7 November 2019 12: 25
      +3
      And what will Gazprom do? SP-2 will not be built until the new year, pumping through SP-1 is limited by the 2nd energy package of the EU, contracts with consumers have been concluded and the allowable volumes for their satisfaction through SP-1 are not enough. Option 2: either renegotiate the "transit" one with Naftogaz, or get multibillion-dollar claims under unfulfilled contracts. So, Gazprom is not going anywhere - there is a pipe everywhere (lol).

      Twenty five again. Excuse me, did you work as a lighthouse keeper last year? smile Before you write nonsense, at least go over the site. Restrictions on pumping can also be removed.

      https://topcor.ru/11811-germanija-gotovitsja-obojti-ogranichenija-po-severnomu-potoku-2.html

      Gas storages in Europe are jammed to the eyeballs, and if it is not enough, then LNG will be brought up, the terminal is already there.

      https://topcor.ru/10333-sudno-prizvannoe-obespechit-gazovuju-bezopasnost-kaliningrada-uplylo-v-es.html

      Meanwhile, the Northern and Balkan streams will be completed.

      https://topcor.ru/11180-u-rossii-pojavitsja-esche-odna-alternativa-ukrainskomu-tranzitu-gaza.html
      1. Whiskey's organs is delta (Long_Shot) 7 November 2019 13: 28
        -4
        Restrictions cannot be lifted - the law must be changed, but it was not adopted in order to cancel it (its meaning is not to allow a single supplier into the pipe). About LNG is true. But the point of the article is that Gazprom can painlessly "bypass" Ukraine. Will not go around. He either drives gas through Ukraine and fulfills contracts, or drives around and violates obligations. But Europe without gas, as you rightly noted, will not remain, making up for the missing in another way (storage, LNG, etc.).
        1. 123 Offline 123
          123 (123) 7 November 2019 14: 37
          +5
          Restrictions cannot be removed — the law needs to be changed, but not for that it was passed in order to repeal (its meaning is to prevent a single supplier from entering the pipe).

          Previously filmed. but now they can't? They have already filmed "Opal". Will press, remove. They will not leave themselves, loved ones, without gas. Its meaning is to put pressure on Russia, there is simply no other supplier there and cannot be.

          But the point of the article is that Gazprom can painlessly "bypass" Ukraine. Will not go around.

          Even as a round trip.

          He either drives gas through Ukraine and executes contracts, or drives around and violates obligations.

          Does Gazprom have difficulties in executing contracts? As long as everything is normal, there will be no problems until spring, then this issue will not be so acute. It is not yet possible to completely do without transit through Ukraine, but Ukraine will not survive without gas supplies. Without a real upgrade, the "reverse" scam will end. We'll have to buy and actually pump gas from Europe, but where will it come from? Gazprom is threatened with fines, and Ukraine is in complete collapse. Who do you think has the best position? In general, they will agree.

          But Europe without gas, as you rightly noted, will not remain, filling the missing in another way (storage, LNG, etc.).

          Gas itself does not appear in the storages; it is pumped there. If the gas does not flow through the pipeline, there will be nothing to pump. But LNG is still Russian, because it is cheaper and carry it closer. The use of American gas makes German industry uncompetitive.
  • Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 7 November 2019 18: 08
    +4
    Quote: 123
    Will GAZPROM fulfill the decision of the Swedish court? Therefore, they started talking about their position early.

    The final court decision is still far away, and the new year is near. Negotiations will be needed faster than the appeal ends.

    That's it. And the loot for the maintenance of an empty pipe will be needed the very next day after the end of transit.
    If ukrov have difficulty generating hydrogen to fill the pipe, they can turn to their breadwinners because of the lake. Those can help them fill liquefied hydrogen and inject them into ..... (already 9 penalties).
    1. A.Lex Offline A.Lex
      A.Lex (Secret information) 8 November 2019 08: 47
      0
      ... into the pipe, Victor, into the pipe ... laughing
    2. Ehanatone Offline Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 11 November 2019 03: 11
      0
      "and inject them into ..... (already 9 penalties)"
      Paste, Paste ...
      "... into the pipe, Victor, into the pipe ..." laughing
  • sergey perfily Offline sergey perfily
    sergey perfily (sergey perfily) 29 November 2019 12: 09
    +1
    The Stockholm court the other day confirmed the arbitration decision only on a contract for gas supplies to Ukraine, the appeal court on a transit contract (where we were awarded a $ 2,6 billion fine) will only be in November next 2020. So we haven’t lost anything yet and on January 1, 2020 at 10.00. we must safely turn on the gas valve on the border of Russia and Ukraine. Then, not only Ukraine, but all of Europe, having broken down for a week or a month, will definitely come running to bow to Gazprom, and in November, I think, it will cancel the fine.