A conscript soldier who shot eight people spoke about his motives

Ramil Shamsutdinov, who killed eight of his colleagues, said that prompted him to commit such a heinous crime.




According to him, the cause of his act was hazing and bullying by colleagues, to which he was subjected all the time of his service.

The soldier claims that on the day of the tragedy, the lieutenant threatened him with rape, which, at the end of the guard, the other soldiers of the unit supposedly had to arrange.

According to Shamsutdinov, in the military unit they began to mock him right after arrival - they took away his phone and money, and he could not complain to anyone, since all this was done with the knowledge of the officers.

Check whether the statements of the conscript are true, will be the competent authorities. However, his words that he was threatened with rape by an officer, as well as the statement that he felt sorry for two of the killed, cast doubt on the sincerity of the speaker.

The Chita garrison military court arrested Ramil Shamsutdinov for two months and placed him in a pre-trial detention center. The father of the soldier expects the court to show leniency and in the sentence will limit himself to fifteen years in prison.

Recall that a Ramil Shamsutdinov, a native of the Tyumen village of Vagay, on October 25, 2019, after the guard, shot and killed 8 servicemen in military unit 54160 in the village of Gorny, Chita district.
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  1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 6 November 2019 16: 38
    +2
    Well, everything would be fine, but the Shamsutdinov’s habit of giving out in the face for their boorish behavior, banditry, theft and drug trafficking for Russian nationalism bothers me ... Like, not because the boor and the thief filled their faces, but for something that is not Russian ... A couple of blacks lives in the same area with my parents, in different houses, I have never heard that they were beaten for their nationality or color ... and Azerbaijanis are beaten constantly and certainly not for their nationality .. They behave badly ... They have worked it out ... they run up and run to complain ... Here you need to understand, not a simple question, not very simple ... If the guy is not lying ... then this part needs to be shaken up for the discrepancy of the officer’s position ... well, if he is lying, to rot the killer in Solikamsk prison ...
    1. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 7 November 2019 20: 02
      +2
      Lies - does not lie, we will never know. The "truth" that will be beneficial to the leadership will be published. It has not yet decided on its preferences.
  2. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
    sgrabik (Sergei) 6 November 2019 16: 58
    +5
    The main thing now in this situation is the most thorough and absolutely independent investigation in order to exclude the possibility of pressure and concealment of important circumstances, if the information that Shamsutdinov claims is really confirmed, then the most severe reaction from the Ministry of Defense is necessary, up to and including demotion of the commander of this unit and all his deputies, and criminal proceedings against them for negligence and failure to take measures to prevent this kind of tragedy.
    1. Sapsan136 Offline Sapsan136
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 6 November 2019 17: 47
      +5
      This is not enough. It is necessary to raise the question of not taking criminals into the army, this is a matter of principle ... It was from the moment of the appearance of former convicts in the army that the outbreak of irregular relationships and homosexuality took place ... Trusting criminals with weapons in the army is generally a bad idea, because they don’t even trust a citizen with a hunting shotgun. An exception can be made only for those who were sitting for supposedly exceeding the necessary defense. As for me, this is not a crime at all and all the blame should be placed on the one who attacked, and not on the one who defended ... When your life is in danger, it’s hard to calculate forces and measures to stop the threat to life, if at all possible ...
    2. boriz Offline boriz
      boriz (boriz) 6 November 2019 22: 43
      +6
      Nobody will demote them, or even remove them from office. Well, maybe the pompopsykhs will be punished. If earlier, at least somewhere in the army, there was a system of maintaining discipline among the "heavy" contingent (and the rest did not strain, relying on the adequacy of personnel), now no one can do this. Those who knew how, either retired, or ...
      And the quality of recruits is declining. Here and the Unified State Exam (Unified State Examination in the second generation), here and living life landmarks, such as Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky and local ones, a smaller and almighty telly, pouring shit on fragile brains (and the Internet is not better).
      Even the leadership of Moscow Region hardly realized the essence of the problem (Shoigu, with all due respect, did not serve in the army).
      1. plabu Offline plabu
        plabu 6 November 2019 23: 27
        +2
        I will not undertake to argue that the "adequacy" of personnel does not exist at all, but the proverbs and sayings that existed back in the days of the USSR rather speak a little about something else - well, for example, "where don't you lick a soldier ..." previously heard?
        So, this is still not so characteristic, BUT to be able to - it’s more difficult here, and they’re taught not quite like that, and the people are almost sure that the officers are all gold miners, who see nothing and do not want to do anything, and even pensions They get theirs in vain - in the 90s, -2000 they managed to tell us many times how bad everything was in the ranks of the Armed Forces, and what often those who were farther than Moscow asphalt and never came to say - but who then cared? (
        And that there was nothing to educate - there were no tools at all, but who again were interested in such details? Previously, there was one set of these tools, starting from the description, they’ll take it with shitty figs, and we sent it in a smart way, one copy was sent to the soldier’s hands, and the rest weren’t just for the military enlistment office, there was someone else to solve the brains on the spot, but also to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, here it was almost always unexpected, and ending with the letter to parents - it all depended on the letter sign - if it’s a plus, then it’s more normal, they were proud of it, but if it’s minus - he himself saw more than once, fighters who were almost on their knees and were ready to kiss their hands, t it’s only that they didn’t send a bad letter - but they tried to comply with the measure almost always, often it was more likely to be based on the psychology of a fighter, although how to say it - he saw, passing by, as a dad from the southern republics weighed a son of such a bream that he went into the lawn, and everything turned out to be simple - the political officer, who was sent for a conversation, did not calculate a bit, and characterizing the soldier, I saw the ensign passing by, and called for the fact that this was his closest commander, but he, having not figured it out to the end, did not expect him this, for sure, first ohvalil, but also about zalet a fighter, too, mentioned, that father and reacted so) - the political officer, as well as at the ensign, then we had problems for a long time ...
        Previously, the system was composed of many factors, and what remains of it now?
        1. boriz Offline boriz
          boriz (boriz) 7 November 2019 00: 09
          +3
          I'm not talking about the Ministry of Internal Affairs and parents at all. About the current work with the personnel. Writing to parents is one of so many elements. And it was rarely used.
          Under the USSR, there were two different approaches to discipline. Where the draft contingent is extremely difficult - one approach and one intensity of work. Where are the ordinary Russian-speaking Soviet guys - everything is simpler, closer to textbooks and official manuals. Therefore, no one wanted to study at the political officer of the construction battalion and they took us two-year-olds. In the usual parts of the staff was enough.
          In ordinary units, only the officer on duty remains for the night. In the construction battalion, a responsible officer / warrant officer in each company spends the night in the office. An additional book (not provided for by the charter of the internal service) "Book of 4-time checks" appears on the stand near the day table.
          Well, the working methods are not the ones taught at the school. At the weekend, for example, they tried to load personnel: unloading / loading coal / cement, a trip to the state farm to pick raspberries (a bucket for yourself, a bucket for the state farm). Raspberry, then, the soldier is on the table. For potatoes, or to a collective farm or to your homestead. Our soldiers ate well, meat for the first and second meat / fish.
          "A soldier should not have free time" (C). At work, it is easy to control.
          Now Gorenina will begin a screech on the theme of sadism. But we didn’t run and hang from our unit. Parents returned whole and very healthy. Despite the initially heavy contingent.
          A lot of different subtleties that no one taught at the school. I'm afraid that now all this is forgotten. The level of recruits (in moral terms) is falling. There is no response to this.
          1. plabu Offline plabu
            plabu 7 November 2019 00: 35
            0
            In your commentary, you only emphasize once again that some features have passed by you, it’s neither bad nor good, it’s just a fact and nothing more ...
            Did you spend the night in the offices? So we have far from astronomical dimensions on one floor, in the movie about Kozelsk the building itself is very often featured, and my part in some kind of movie on television has already been on TV several times, there many of the colleagues were shown there ))) so there was at least one duty officer, and not a letech, who served in the unit for the first week, and after a while the assistant was also added, also not an conscript).
            And you have little idea of ​​what you taught in schools, practice was practiced on the spot, not without it, but with theory everything was just fine, by the way, your colleagues are two-year-olds, we also had BUT ONLY those who expressed a desire to stay in frames, sometimes they tried to arrange the reverse process, I had such a colleague, but there family circumstances were added ...
            For some reason, we all of them are caught) ...
            And about free time - well, so much the basics, almost like letters in the alphabet))
            And where does sadism come from, as a rule, they worked for themselves, well, or for themselves ...
            I wrote about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as an example of a certain prudence, or something, one letter returned from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, like what you sent to us, and then your soldier brought a completely different paper, when he came to settle, they sent again, and with examples from practices, such as cards and other things - in return - thanks for helping, the letter showed the beginning. The police department, he himself asked - like, write me a statement myself, about the dismissal ... So, I wanted to deceive).
            Once again - the system was there, and there is a characteristic, and parents, and a guardhouse) - for especially violent, and letters to parents, and holidays, and much more, such as a photo in the parade of a banner, or letters, and what remains of that system? Here it is - almost nothing ...
          2. marciz Offline marciz
            marciz (Stas) 7 November 2019 01: 45
            0
            I don’t understand what the hell to collect young boys in a heap and exhaust them with their work for the sake of nationalities !? And then the girls who just want the kid are humiliated with insults, like, such a syak!? The boys need to learn to create a strong family, raise the birth rate, and not engage in nonsense in the Army. Soon there will be no one to serve in that army, only homosexuals will go there, hoping for unregulated connections !?
            1. plabu Offline plabu
              plabu 7 November 2019 07: 18
              +2
              That is, they were exhausted with their work solely for the sake of the national minorities, well, so it’s written in you, I understand correctly?
              The question immediately arises - did you yourself serve, or so, according to the OSG agency?)
              And who and where did the girls humiliate them? Will you give an example?
              1. marciz Offline marciz
                marciz (Stas) 8 November 2019 07: 36
                0
                I served in the construction battalion and I know what exhausting work is in parallel with your moronic drill, you walk on the parade ground, like ... but it was at first, it was like that under the USSR, then there was at least some order. And I returned as a normal person, not morally, and physically crippled, as the boys are now returning !!!!
                I will say that this is what is happening in the Army and Navy, the officers are to blame for this, soldiers are the consequences, the reason is in the officers.
                Despite the boundless revelry of national minorities in Russia (even though I myself am not a Slav), the chances of normal guys are very few, leaving the army morally crippled to be ideal for girls !!!! So they choose the chock, not your sons.
                Yes, and the chronic poverty of the Slavs haunts these guys, they can not compete with national minorities.
                18-year-old Dagi bent officers from Moscow to Vladivostok and only then all calmed down when they stopped taking them into the army, a disgrace !!!!
                1. plabu Offline plabu
                  plabu 8 November 2019 19: 35
                  0
                  If you, dear man, and someone bent it, it doesn’t mean at all that it’s like that for everyone, I’ve written as a representative in what topic) I didn’t want to wash the floors and what came of it, I won’t repeat myself, and your opinion It does not coincide with mine, in almost all the points that you tried to cover here, and as for the boys - everything is normal with your son, but the details of you, and not only you, do not concern you, there is no reason for this ...
                  1. marciz Offline marciz
                    marciz (Stas) 8 November 2019 23: 24
                    -1
                    The Internet is filled with commercials, news, events, how they bent you, so do not fantasize about me if you can’t answer normally. You have already girls went to serve in the Army, and you are happy !?
                    1. plabu Offline plabu
                      plabu 9 November 2019 09: 24
                      0
                      If you allow yourself to fantasize, why can't others?) Double standards will not pass, and finally - the Internet as the MAIN source of information is strong, keep up the good work, well, you have progress, you have not written the word "homosexuals": )
                      PS And how can I answer, I myself can quite figure out, but your criteria "normal - not normal" interest me a little ...
                      PPS The difference between the compulsory service of girls in Israel and voluntary in the Russian Federation need to explain?
                      1. marciz Offline marciz
                        marciz (Stas) 9 November 2019 16: 31
                        0
                        If you are not interested in someone’s opinion, then why get involved in correspondence and write comments !?
                        And we are now on the internet, if that !? And the information itself goes to you !!!!
                        Apparently, you have a head to eat !?
                      2. plabu Offline plabu
                        plabu 9 November 2019 16: 45
                        0
                        And not to confuse "opinion" and "criteria" have not tried?
                        And about the information there the word is specially highlighted - the main one) - here the Internet is NOT the main source and it is unlikely they will ever have it, there are too many discharges there, for a variety of purposes, so blindly trusting the Internet - in my opinion, it’s wrong, but here everyone determines for himself ...
                        PS And you do not eat your head?)
          3. boriz Offline boriz
            boriz (boriz) 7 November 2019 13: 14
            +1
            What are you talking about? Just these same national minorities, basically, tensed. There were very few others.
          4. sgrabik Offline sgrabik
            sgrabik (Sergei) 7 November 2019 17: 21
            +3
            And where does such ridiculous nonsense come from in the head of a seemingly adult person? By the way, the army is an exact cast from society, and, mind you, it’s not me who invented it, on the contrary, young guys just have to serve in the army, if, of course, they are men, not effeminate slobber. It’s another matter that the real real order should be established in the army, and not ostentatious, as now, in addition, the Ministry of Defense just needs to very significantly increase control over discipline and compliance with the Charter, not only among soldiers and sergeants, but first first of all, among the officers, independent psychological tests should be carried out every year, confirming prof. the suitability of officers, certain exams for knowledge of the maths, and, well, a whole range of measures that would allow officers to grow and improve professionally, and not degrade in the wilderness and dishonor the honor of their uniform.
            1. marciz Offline marciz
              marciz (Stas) 8 November 2019 07: 44
              0
              You figure it out in your Bullshit !!! Should!? Who should these guys owe to Cherkalin, Zakharchenko, Vasilyeva, Serdyukov, fagots, crowds hanging around on television !!!!! ????!?
              Deripaska 8 billion! ?? Why are you, in general insolent in your claims to the boys !!! ???
              In the second part of your half-nonsense, you answered your Bullshit !!!!!
              1. plabu Offline plabu
                plabu 8 November 2019 19: 39
                0
                Besides homosexuals and bullshit, do you know any other words? Judging by the posts - it’s unlikely ...
  3. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 8 November 2019 14: 23
    0
    So there was already infa that the "threat of rape" is a lie, "stuffing"! Attempts to "smear" the freak do not stop!
  • steelmaker Offline steelmaker
    steelmaker 6 November 2019 17: 42
    +2
    So, he says that two people were sorry? Innocent! Does his dad count on pity? We must be sorry - LIFE!
  • Igor Pavlovich Offline Igor Pavlovich
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 6 November 2019 18: 57
    0
    A person capable of ACT.
    1. oracul Offline oracul
      oracul (leonid) 7 November 2019 08: 45
      +1
      What is the deed? He shot people, and after some time, he comes up with something.
  • gorenina91 Online gorenina91
    gorenina91 (Irina) 6 November 2019 19: 17
    0
    -Well ...- have already learned what and how to say and how to put a tear in public .. to regret ...
    That is, under Stalin, everyone would have long given evidence together ...- and himself ...; and the whole family, which serves the whole composition in law enforcement bodies and has service weapons ... -It is still unknown how this relative is not ... in his service manifests himself ... -Maybe, and this is happening there .. that simple people are afraid to tell ...
    - Yes and still ... - why is it all here dad of this ... mention ...
    - Probably, now this ... they will also begin to knock out a separate camera ...
    - I heard that in the criminal world there are such cannibalistic butchers with blood on their hands up to the elbows ... - oh, how "they don't like" and "don't welcome" ...
    1. marciz Offline marciz
      marciz (Stas) 7 November 2019 01: 36
      +2
      Tell me, please, ma'am, and when you were at the training camp, did officers or soldiers come to you to flirt !?
      1. gorenina91 Online gorenina91
        gorenina91 (Irina) 7 November 2019 15: 17
        +1
        Yes, my MCH then tortured me with his jealousy ... and constantly came in his car ... - and at night I ran into his car in his car without permission secretly ... - And in the morning I had to run again, jump, shoot ... - well, everything’s according to the class schedule ... - well, and nothing ... - it was still cool and cool ...
        - Well, besides this there were days off and you could get a dismissal or take such leave .... - then I already left in my car ... - Each time these charges were in the winter and everything was littered with snow all around ... - so it was very difficult to go on the highway ... - well, and there already ... - everything was simple ...- Hahah ...
        1. marciz Offline marciz
          marciz (Stas) 8 November 2019 14: 26
          +2
          Romance !!!!))))) Yes, youth does not know the obstacles !!!!))))) As I recall)))) on the fifth floor on the dormitories' balconies to the girls, autumn, drizzle rain, and you do not care! !!)))) Appreciate youth, it passes quickly, but in fact, like life itself !!!!!
  • Port Offline Port
    Port 6 November 2019 19: 38
    +1
    About rape is utter nonsense for excuses.
    1. marciz Offline marciz
      marciz (Stas) 7 November 2019 01: 32
      +1
      In everyday life, it means that homosexuality walks freely in the courtyards, in prisons, on television, but it cannot be in the Army and Navy !? Homosexuals got to the Russian army. Well guys, then create fraternal alliances with yourself.
    2. syndicalist Offline syndicalist
      syndicalist (Dimon) 7 November 2019 20: 09
      +1
      The prison subculture surrounds us everywhere, and this is its indispensable attribute.
      1. marciz Offline marciz
        marciz (Stas) 8 November 2019 08: 12
        0
        The prison subculture has fully affected our people in the Gulag, but it was the will of the rulers to drive ordinary people into slave labor under far-fetched pretexts to oppose the West.
        And do not confuse those prisoners with the current ones, then it was a universal trouble !!!!
        And now this is still the sad fate of one person.
        But this subculture is already becoming dangerous for the state, since national hierarchies of different faiths also prevail in its hierarchy, and here already at the level of adult men there is another humiliation of Slavic men, and how it all ends is unknown.
  • Screw Offline Screw
    Screw (Gennady) 7 November 2019 16: 40
    0
    Classic -

    Language will not bring to good.

    In all parts, the poster reads "Don't talk!"
  • bratchanin3 Offline bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 8 November 2019 10: 41
    +2
    Everything that is done in the barracks is done with the knowledge of the officers, or with the connivance and sloppiness of the officers. And the merit of the appearance of hazing is a phenomenon generated by the coarse-grained officer, incompetent and illiterate.
    1. Valentine White Offline Valentine White
      Valentine White (Valentine White) 8 November 2019 15: 55
      +3
      And where did you get the idea that there was "hazing"? According to the killer, he will now lie like a gray gelding, just to avoid life. You do not regret that, you need to feel sorry for the innocent victims and their families. And he killed them only because he did not want to wash the floor, this, you see, his faith does not allow him. It allows you to shit, but not to clean up after yourself.
  • Dzafdet Offline Dzafdet
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 8 November 2019 11: 30
    -2
    What did the soldiers and officer expect? Are you kidding me? Get it! I saw grandfathers at the training camp. Imagine what they did in part ...
    1. Valentine White Offline Valentine White
      Valentine White (Valentine White) 8 November 2019 15: 56
      +2
      Do you believe whom?
  • Valentine White Offline Valentine White
    Valentine White (Valentine White) 8 November 2019 15: 49
    +2
    The soldier is brazenly lying, trying to mitigate future punishment. "They took away the phone and money" ... There are no words, offended so offended. This is a common practice, the soldiers hand over their phones and they are given them on weekends, just as money is handed over to the commander for safekeeping. It cannot be called in any way - it was taken away. Such an obvious lie clearly indicates that there were no "non-regulations" in the part even in the project. And about "they promised to rape", one can see the notion of the defender, it is not even interesting to comment.