Walesa: Poles knocked out teeth of a Soviet bear

The Poles' tendency to reassess their place in the world “ranking” has repeatedly become the reason for the division of the country in the past, but it seems that it has not taught anything.




During an interview with the French edition of Liberation, former Polish President Lech Walesa said that the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR were possible only because "the Poles knocked out several teeth to the Soviet bear."

The edition quotes the words of Valencia:

When this bear could no longer bite, then other nations began to go about their business.


Further, having spent the entire conscious life complementary to the US State Department, Valence, as they say, suffered. According to him, other nations followed Poland and "managed to stir Europe."

In his opinion, now countries have reached the limits of their development, and a new one needs to be invented. economic system and transform structures like NATO and the UN, and improve democracy.

Shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the author had the opportunity to serve in the Northern Group of Forces, which was stationed in Poland. According to his direct observations, all that was enough for the “Polish resistance” was to write nasty things about the USSR on the fences along the railway and do minor dirty tricks, such as the refusal of Polish bakers to supply bread to the part of the Soviet Army.
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  1. Pacifist Offline
    Pacifist (Victor) 6 November 2019 10: 04
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    Psheks always suffered from delusions of grandeur. Another example, when the ideology of self-awareness is based only on attempts to humiliate others. The same flawed line for banderlogs. It is sad when a talented country just burns itself in bouts of hatred ... look like miserable.
    1. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 6 November 2019 18: 34
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      It’s sad when a talented country simply burns itself in bouts of hatred .. very right, there are no objections, only this can be attributed to modern Russia!
    2. chemyurij Offline
      chemyurij (chemyurij) 6 November 2019 18: 51
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      Quote: Pacifist
      Another example, when the ideology of self-awareness is based only on attempts to humiliate others.

      Inferiority complex. But it comes from understanding its sincere essence, the secret knowledge of everyone about themselves, you can’t hide from it, you can pretend to be your decency for others, but you can’t hide the essence, it crawls from all cracks from this gnawing complex.
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 November 2019 12: 36
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        Who are you talking about?
        1. chemyurij Offline
          chemyurij (chemyurij) 7 November 2019 15: 55
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          Quote: Arkharov
          Who are you talking about?

          Question to me?
          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 November 2019 16: 34
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            Yes. Question to you.
            1. chemyurij Offline
              chemyurij (chemyurij) 7 November 2019 17: 31
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              Then we read the article ... bah ... yes this is Lech Walesa and, accordingly, it is about Poland. We also read the commentary to the author of which I addressed

              Psheks always suffered from delusions of grandeur. Another example, when the ideology of self-awareness is based only on attempts to humiliate others. The same flawed line for banderlogs. It is sad when a talented country just burns itself in bouts of hatred ... look like miserable.

              The opinion is generalized, well, in the fact that in the eyes of Russian citizens the Poles became odious in their expression, rather, even bulging out their role as a contrived confrontation between the USSR and not contrived Russia, or rather, the ruling establishment. On this they are trying to build their decisive and dominant role as the first violin of Europe and NATO, respectively. From the outside, this may seem like a painful conceit, which completely proceeds from the thesis about which I wrote above. I hope that if you read the article again, as well as the comments, and I ask you - more closely and without omissions, then you will understand what, about and about whom we are talking about.
              1. Arkharov Offline
                Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 November 2019 19: 00
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                No, you just wrote very well, I just wanted to understand what kind of country we are talking about. Here, in my understanding, there could be several applicants.
                1. chemyurij Offline
                  chemyurij (chemyurij) 7 November 2019 19: 05
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                  Quote: Arkharov
                  There may be several applicants.

                  Here I agree with you. It is so indeed.
  2. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 6 November 2019 14: 55
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    It's just that Walesa is the enemy of the USSR, Russia and Russians. And it’s bad that Putin abandoned the practice of destroying enemies and traitors, wherever they live. But Israel does not disdain this. Maybe that’s why they don’t talk about Israel like that?
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 6 November 2019 16: 07
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      Is that what you specifically offer?
    2. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 7 November 2019 10: 51
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      How did he refuse, and who baited the BAB, and Litvinenko, it means that he drank polonium in Sarov, and they grabbed the “newbie” from scratch, and a dozen more unidentified deaths in England and in European countries. The killer will never stop, he will always seek and find his victim, only his own death will put an end to his bloody road!
      1. 123 Online
        123 (123) 7 November 2019 22: 07
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        How did he refuse, and who baited the BAB, and Litvinenko, it means that he drank polonium in Sarov, and they grabbed the “newbie” from scratch, and a dozen more unidentified deaths in England and in European countries. The killer will never stop, he will always seek and find his victim, only his own death will put an end to his bloody road!

        Man, tie a plump, you carry nonsense.
  3. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 6 November 2019 16: 03
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    In this whole story with the socialist camp, and then with the USSR, the events in Poland were of great, and possibly decisive importance. From a certain moment in the development of these events, all this could be predicted with a high probability. There is the concept of “cornerstone”, when one of them is removed, the entire foundation remains short-lived.
    1. sgrabik Offline
      sgrabik (Sergei) 6 November 2019 17: 31
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      It is not necessary to overestimate the role of Poland in the collapse of the USSR, before they had successfully sat on subsidies of the Union, but now they are using their geopolitical position and are sitting on the "American neck".
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 6 November 2019 18: 28
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        I think I really appreciate it. This was primarily a blow to ideology, I think, from that moment on everything was already inevitable, primarily the collapse of the social camp.
      2. Sake Offline
        Sake (Sake) 6 November 2019 18: 46
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        In the USSR they could not understand that all empires would fall apart sooner or later, and this despite the verbal husks about the imaginary advantages of socialism, but when people have something to compare with or with whom, even a dumb and stubborn one can guess from the two! And now, already all countries from the former Socialist Camp have crossed over from the "Russian to German" camp, although there is no oil or gas ....
        1. S.V.YU Offline
          S.V.YU 6 November 2019 19: 23
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          Clear business! Halyava Soviet ended! Now try to sit on the other neck!
        2. 123 Online
          123 (123) 7 November 2019 22: 09
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          In the USSR they could not understand that all empires would fall apart sooner or later, and this despite the verbal husks about the imaginary advantages of socialism, but when people have something to compare with or with whom, even a dumb and stubborn one can guess from the two! And now, already all countries from the former Socialist Camp have crossed over from the "Russian to German" camp, although there is no oil or gas ....

          Not in German, but in American, the Germans are just overseers there. The time will come and from there will roll over. They, for the most part, do not care whose boot they lick.
    2. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 November 2019 11: 55
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      "Events" in Poland became possible only due to the fact that the USSR "relaxed and loosened its grip." The power itself ceased to believe in the ideals that it proclaimed, but such power ceased to believe and respect it and its own people. All this later led to the collapse of both the USSR and the Socialist Camps together with the Warsaw Pact. Not from Poland it all started, and this “cornerstone” was not there, but from ourselves, at home, in the capital of the Soviet Union.
      At one time, both Hungary and Czechoslovakia, countries much more developed and with far more developed democratic traditions than Poland, also tried to become "cornerstones", but they quickly thrust them into their place. They stuck it in such a way that in the USA and NATO they only managed to open their jaws ... Because the Soviet government had the will to do this, and then it simply did not ...
      1. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 November 2019 12: 31
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        Maybe the thing is in the “ideals” themselves? And nothing just happens, including all of these "kicks in place", it was Hungary and Czechoslovakia that were shed with lightning as soon as the opportunity presented itself. And here we are all surprised now: Russophobes, Russophobes !!
        1. Pishenkov Offline
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 November 2019 12: 55
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          As for ideals, this is a long discussion. Naturally, living in the second half of the twentieth century with the same thing that took to the streets in 1917 was simply stupid. The Chinese understood this in time and began to gradually transform the economy, bringing under it the corresponding modified political base. And we tried to develop economically with the slogans of half a century ago, without even bothering to think about their relevance, and with the same methods. The result is obvious.
          And not only Hungary and Czechoslovakia were faded, all those with whom we "shoulder to shoulder" and so on - the entire USSR, also faded. And Russia itself would have collapsed if it hadn’t caught itself in time and, again, hadn’t put someone in their place by force. The Gorbachev-Yeltsin clique just lost the socialist countries and friendly regimes in other places ... left them to their own devices, along with people and elites. Here is the result - open Russophobia. Where did she come from? Do you think everyone there always hated Russians? Nothing like that! Remember the recent shots from Syria, where the Kurds stoned American armored cars with stones and tomatoes - where did they suddenly get this “Americanophobia” from and why suddenly ??? Doesn’t resemble anything ???
          1. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 7 November 2019 13: 17
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            Are you firmly convinced that you hate? Maybe, after all, the matter is more in our zomboyaschik?
            1. Pishenkov Offline
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 November 2019 13: 18
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              ...I did not understand the question... request
            2. Pishenkov Offline
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 7 November 2019 13: 36
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              If you are talking about how much Russians really hate Russians in Europe, then I say that this is not true. But it looks really true now. The fact is that at this stage there is a request for which “Russophobia” creeps out. If you remember the USSR, then also those who wanted to rise higher also publicly talked about the decay of the West, eternal communist ideals, etc., and at that time they themselves did their best to travel on this same rotting West, they sent Western goods their children, and really spat on all the communist ideals ...
              And in the West, at the same time, everyone was shown mass marches with Kumach panels and fiery speeches of Soviet leaders stigmatizing capitalism, what does the light stand for ...
              So now we are shown broken monuments, anti-Russian slogans, etc. And those who run it all, in real life, communicate perfectly with themselves when it’s beneficial for them ... Yes, and the majority of the population thinks for themselves ... There is an external request, and those who want to rise or attract attention to themselves, use it ...
  4. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 6 November 2019 16: 46
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    Poland in Europe has always been called Kapstrana without capital and was treated with disdain, caused, among other things, by the Polish mentality (arrogance).
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 7 November 2019 22: 16
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      Poland in Europe has always been called Kapstrana without capital and was treated with disdain, caused, among other things, by the Polish mentality (arrogance).

      Is it too loudly said - ALWAYS? It only periodically existed as a country.

      In Polish -
      they look like a goat on a poster.
      In Polish - eyes bulge
      in tight police elephanthood -
      where, they say, and what kind of geographic news?


      V. Mayakovsky.
  5. Sake Offline
    Sake (Sake) 6 November 2019 18: 32
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    Firstly, it was not the Poles who knocked out this fang from the USSR, but the USSR grabbed tight and was torn off along with the fang. I agree that the Poles set fire to the Bickford cord, from the explosion of which the Union ordered a long life. And the prerequisites for this process were the Pole - the pope in the Vatican, the rest we already know.
    1. Arkharov Offline
      Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 6 November 2019 19: 36
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      Yes, here you are probably right, the chain of inevitable events began even earlier, with the Pope Pole. Remember about Annushka, already spilled oil?
  6. Pishenkov Offline
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 6 November 2019 21: 35
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    ... who spent his entire conscious life complementary to the US State Department, Valence, as they say, suffered.

    - here I’ll correct the author or maybe add: Lech Walesa after his arrest on December 19, 1970 for participating in demonstrations in Gdansk, was in the “development” of the then Polish SB - the Security Service (an analogue of our KGB). After that, an agent under the nickname "Bolek" became of him. I don’t know if he worked for the Americans at the same time as the "Polish KGB" or only then he began, and in general, for whom earlier, but this fact is fixed. Since May 1983, his folder in the Polish counterintelligence has been renamed to the new nickname - "Zadra". They tried in every possible way to hush up after the fall of the socialist regime in Poland, since obviously the double agent Walesa (hedged insurance, apparently, in case of any development of the situation) got out already as president of the country. That is, he had all the tools to ensure that this whole story "sunk into oblivion". In 1992, Walesa personally, as the president of the country, received a folder on the activities of "Agent Bolk" in the SB archive, about which there is an entry in the archive, but he never returned it. In 95-97 years, before his repeated candidacy for the elections, something still surfaced. There were even living witnesses from among former employees. But the court nevertheless acquitted Valens in 2000, since all the evidence provided to the court was indirect, the main evidence from the SB archive disappeared without a trace, and the testimonies of the officers of the "communist repressive apparatus" were considered not worthy of trust ... More would be - here are the former Polish "committee members", deprived of all rights and ranks, considered in their own country to be social outcasts after 1989, and on the other hand, the whole president and hero of the Resistance ... The outcome is understandable and the result is predictable, in short ...

    Here is such a "hero" the leader of the Polish resistance and the president of this country. As they say, every nation deserves its power ...

    I think if the “card had laid down” in the late 80s in a different way and the slobber and traitors hadn’t come to power in the USSR, now Valensa would probably have bragged about how he “circled the Western intelligence agencies” or something something like that ...
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    boriz (boriz) 6 November 2019 21: 59
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    Poles knocked out teeth of a Soviet bear

    - said the agent of the KGB "Bolek".
  8. Half of Poland is left, and even they will soon die - and then we will divide psheks by concepts.
  9. Vkd dvk Offline
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 7 November 2019 00: 15
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    Quote: Sake
    It’s sad when a talented country simply burns itself in bouts of hatred .. very right, there are no objections, only this can be attributed to modern Russia!

    A country, by definition, cannot be either talented or stupid. She herself is nothing. A portrait of the country is made by people.
    Such as, for example, a participant in telecasts - a certain Koreyba, who once said that if they (the Poles) pay Russia more than the States, it will be pro-Russian.
    There are no more prostitute and venal people than the Poles. Venal, vile, arrogant and full of aplomb and anger.
    1. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 7 November 2019 10: 42
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      Firstly, this is not my quote, and secondly, from the former state of the Union of 70-80s, the current Russian Federation has degraded to 37 years old and continues to burn the balance of domestic resources at a speed that can lead to a point of no return or to decay, to alienation of the gigantic areas where alien islands will be visible, like acne on the ass of an elephant.
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        123 (123) 7 November 2019 22: 19
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        Firstly, this is not my quote, and secondly, from the former state of the Union of 70-80s, the current Russian Federation has degraded to 37 years old and continues to burn the balance of domestic resources at a speed that can lead to a point of no return or to decay, to alienation of the gigantic areas where alien islands will be visible, like acne on the ass of an elephant.

        About degradation before the 37th year and about the burning of resources can be more detailed, but it is boring.
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    Screw (Gennady) 7 November 2019 03: 50
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    This is interesting, a locksmith pulled into philosophy.
    What would Hegel say about this, if Gorky said unforgettable with his lips

    Born to crawl - cannot fly.
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    Roarv (Robert) 7 November 2019 07: 42
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    A little British sanitary napkin, born in Poland, imagines a genius, a politician and a strategist .....
    He performs well, being in the crotch of the British and s .... by vocation and purpose .....
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    Panting (Vyacheslav) 7 November 2019 08: 22
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    Well then! And who would have thought! And what they knocked out!
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    oracul (leonid) 7 November 2019 08: 30
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    Usually people grow wiser with age, but some, like Walesa, seem to be fooled by being at the top of power, attributing to themselves that which is not true.
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    Jar.serge (Reznik) 7 November 2019 14: 57
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    Polish pride, bordering on idiocy, has always been the reason for the disappearance of Poland from the world map, I think, not the last time. And Valens, this self-confident American lackey, would like to ask - well, where are your promises to the workers, where is the shipyard where you started as an electrician (however, that’s how he remained)?
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    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 7 November 2019 15: 14
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    I wonder where Poland would have turned if Valence had been banged on time.
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    bobba94 (Vladimir) 7 November 2019 16: 32
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    My mother-in-law is 76 years old. At first I was angry, listening to her, arguing, trying to convince, then it dawned on me that age is age, and I just stopped paying attention. I listen to my mother-in-law, like an advertisement on TV, as if they were saying something there, but nothing was heard. What am I doing? Oh yes, Valence is already 76 years old.
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    Vkd dvk (Victor) 7 November 2019 18: 17
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    Quote: Sake
    Firstly, this is not my quote, and secondly, from the former state of the Union of 70-80s, the current Russian Federation has degraded to 37 years old and continues to burn the balance of domestic resources at a speed that can lead to a point of no return or to decay, to alienation of the gigantic areas where alien islands will be visible, like acne on the ass of an elephant.

    Literate people not quote their words and give a link at the end, so as not to be considered a swindler and a plagiarist. But since you haven’t done this, you will receive as an author.
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    valeriy7 (Valery) 8 November 2019 00: 50
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    Walesa is a former electrician, and even seems to be of low qualification. Apparently, once out of inexperience, I tried to use my tongue to check the presence of voltage in the network. After that, he started talking. And the whole Polish politicum is fucked into the brain with 380 volts.
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    AICO (Vyacheslav) 8 November 2019 08: 01
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    Daredevils are emboldened - for a long time in Zyu did not put !!!
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    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 8 November 2019 09: 03
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    Well, I really want the Polish arrogance, infringed on for centuries, and the factual failure of their state to avenge Muscovy for humiliation from Russia. They themselves broke off their rotten teeth about Minin and Pozharsky, then from M.I. Kutuzov as part of the Napoleonic invaders (about 100-150 thousand Poles were destroyed). It’s impossible for the Psheks to take revenge on Russia, so at least to “pinch”, at least with an offensive word towards Russia, to amuse themselves.
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    Vkd dvk (Victor) 8 November 2019 22: 55
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    Quote: bratchanin3
    Well, I really want the Polish arrogance, infringed on for centuries, and the factual failure of their state to avenge Muscovy for humiliation from Russia. They themselves broke off their rotten teeth about Minin and Pozharsky, then from M.I. Kutuzov as part of the Napoleonic invaders (about 100-150 thousand Poles were destroyed). It’s impossible for the Psheks to take revenge on Russia, so at least to “pinch”, at least with an offensive word towards Russia, to amuse themselves.

    You did not mention A. V. Suvorov, who suppressed the uprising of Tadeusz Kosciuszko. Prince Michael Kleofas of Ogynsky wrote his polonaise "Farewell to the Motherland" and went to emigrate to Constantinople.