Walesa: Poles knocked out teeth of a Soviet bear

November 6, 2019 47

The Poles' tendency to reassess their place in the world “ranking” has repeatedly become the reason for the division of the country in the past, but it seems that it has not taught anything.

During an interview with the French edition of Liberation, former Polish President Lech Walesa said that the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR were possible only because "the Poles knocked out several teeth to the Soviet bear."

The edition quotes the words of Valencia:

When this bear could no longer bite, then other nations began to go about their business.

Further, having spent the entire conscious life complementary to the US State Department, Valence, as they say, suffered. According to him, other nations followed Poland and "managed to stir Europe."

In his opinion, now countries have reached the limits of their development, and a new one needs to be invented. economic system and transform structures like NATO and the UN, and improve democracy.

Shortly before the collapse of the Soviet Union, the author had the opportunity to serve in the Northern Group of Forces, which was stationed in Poland. According to his direct observations, all that was enough for the “Polish resistance” was to write nasty things about the USSR on the fences along the railway and do minor dirty tricks, such as the refusal of Polish bakers to supply bread to the part of the Soviet Army.

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Pacifist

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6 November 2019 10: 04

Psheks always suffered from delusions of grandeur. Another example, when the ideology of self-awareness is based only on attempts to humiliate others. The same flawed line for banderlogs. It is sad when a talented country just burns itself in bouts of hatred ... look like miserable.
1. Sake
  
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  6 November 2019 18: 34
  
  It’s sad when a talented country simply burns itself in bouts of hatred .. very right, there are no objections, only this can be attributed to modern Russia!
2. chemurij
  
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  6 November 2019 18: 51
  
  Quote: Pacifist
  Another example, when the ideology of self-awareness is based only on attempts to humiliate others.
  
  Inferiority complex. But it comes from understanding its sincere essence, the secret knowledge of everyone about themselves, you can’t hide from it, you can pretend to be your decency for others, but you can’t hide the essence, it crawls from all cracks from this gnawing complex.
  1. Arkharov
    
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    7 November 2019 12: 36
    
    Who are you talking about?
    1. chemurij
      
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      7 November 2019 15: 55
      
      Quote: Arkharov
      Who are you talking about?
      
      Question to me?
      1. Arkharov
        
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        7 November 2019 16: 34
        
        Yes. Question to you.
        
        chemurij
        
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        7 November 2019 17: 31
        
        Then we read the article ... bah ... yes this is Lech Walesa and, accordingly, it is about Poland. We also read the commentary to the author of which I addressed
        
        Psheks always suffered from delusions of grandeur. Another example, when the ideology of self-awareness is based only on attempts to humiliate others. The same flawed line for banderlogs. It is sad when a talented country just burns itself in bouts of hatred ... look like miserable.
        
        The opinion is generalized, well, in the fact that in the eyes of Russian citizens the Poles became odious in their expression, rather, even bulging out their role as a contrived confrontation between the USSR and not contrived Russia, or rather, the ruling establishment. On this they are trying to build their decisive and dominant role as the first violin of Europe and NATO, respectively. From the outside, this may seem like a painful conceit, which completely proceeds from the thesis about which I wrote above. I hope that if you read the article again, as well as the comments, and I ask you - more closely and without omissions, then you will understand what, about and about whom we are talking about.
        
        Arkharov
        
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        7 November 2019 19: 00
        
        No, you just wrote very well, I just wanted to understand what kind of country we are talking about. Here, in my understanding, there could be several applicants.
        
        chemurij
        
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        7 November 2019 19: 05
        
        Quote: Arkharov
        There may be several applicants.
        
        Here I agree with you. It is so indeed.
steelmaker

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6 November 2019 14: 55

It's just that Walesa is the enemy of the USSR, Russia and Russians. And it’s bad that Putin abandoned the practice of destroying enemies and traitors, wherever they live. But Israel does not disdain this. Maybe that’s why they don’t talk about Israel like that?
1. Arkharov
  
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  6 November 2019 16: 07
  
  Is that what you specifically offer?
2. Sake
  
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  7 November 2019 10: 51
  
  How did he refuse, and whoever trawled BAB, and Litvinenko, it means that he got drunk with polonium in Sarov, and Skripali from where the "newcomer" was taken, and a dozen more unknown deaths in England and in European countries. The killer will never stop, he will always seek and find his victim, only his own death will put an end to his bloody road!
  1. 123
    
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    7 November 2019 22: 07
    
    How did he refuse, and whoever trawled BAB, and Litvinenko, it means that he got drunk with polonium in Sarov, and Skripali from where the "newcomer" was taken, and a dozen more unknown deaths in England and in European countries. The killer will never stop, he will always seek and find his victim, only his own death will put an end to his bloody road!
    
    Man, tie a plump, you carry nonsense.
Arkharov

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6 November 2019 16: 03

In this whole story with the socialist camp, and then with the USSR, the events in Poland were of great, and, possibly, decisive importance. From a certain point in the development of these events, all this could have been predicted with high probability. There is a concept of "cornerstone", when one of them is removed, the whole foundation does not have long to live.
1. sgrabik
  
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  6 November 2019 17: 31
  
  There is no need to overestimate the role of Poland in the collapse of the USSR, they used to be quite successful on subsidies from the Union, and now they use their geopolitical position and sit on the "American neck."
  1. Arkharov
    
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    6 November 2019 18: 28
    
    I think I really appreciate it. This was primarily a blow to ideology, I think, from that moment on everything was already inevitable, primarily the collapse of the social camp.
  2. Sake
    
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    6 November 2019 18: 46
    
    The USSR could not get it that all empires sooner or later collapse, and this is despite the verbal husk about the imaginary advantages of socialism, but when people have something or someone to compare with, even a stupid and stubborn one can guess out of two! And now, all the countries from the former Socialist camp have moved from the "Russian to the German" camp, although there is no oil or gas ...
    1. S.V.YU
      
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      6 November 2019 19: 23
      
      Clear business! Halyava Soviet ended! Now try to sit on the other neck!
    2. 123
      
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      7 November 2019 22: 09
      
      The USSR could not get it that all empires sooner or later collapse, and this is despite the verbal husk about the imaginary advantages of socialism, but when people have something or someone to compare with, even a stupid and stubborn one can guess out of two! And now, all the countries from the former Socialist camp have moved from the "Russian to the German" camp, although there is no oil or gas ...
      
      Not in German, but in American, the Germans are just overseers there. The time will come and from there will roll over. They, for the most part, do not care whose boot they lick.
2. Pishenkov
  
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  7 November 2019 11: 55
  
  "Events" in Poland became generally possible only because the USSR "relaxed and loosened its grip." The power itself ceased to believe in its own proclaimed ideals, and such power ceased to believe and respect it and its own people. This all later led to the collapse of the USSR and the "Socialist camp" together with the Warsaw Pact. Everything began not with Poland, and this "cornerstone" was not there, but we ourselves, at home, in the capital of the Soviet Union.
  At one time both Hungary and Czechoslovakia, countries much more developed and with much more developed democratic traditions than Poland, also tried to become "cornerstones", but they were quickly kicked into their place. They stuffed it so that in the USA and NATO they only had time to drop their jaws ... Because the Soviet government had the will for this, and then it simply disappeared ...
  1. Arkharov
    
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    7 November 2019 12: 31
    
    Maybe it's just the "ideals" themselves? And nothing just goes by, incl. All these "kicks in place", then Hungary and Czechoslovakia fled by lightning as soon as the opportunity presented itself. And we are all now wondering: Russophobes, Russophobes !!
    1. Pishenkov
      
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      7 November 2019 12: 55
      
      As for ideals, this is a long discussion. Naturally, living in the second half of the twentieth century with the same thing that took to the streets in 1917 was simply stupid. The Chinese understood this in time and began to gradually transform the economy, bringing under it the corresponding modified political base. And we tried to develop economically with the slogans of half a century ago, without even bothering to think about their relevance, and with the same methods. The result is obvious.
      And not only Hungary and Czechoslovakia fled, all those with whom we are "shoulder to shoulder" and so on - the entire USSR also faded. And Russia itself would have collapsed if they had not caught themselves in time and, again, by force did not shove someone into place. The Gorbachev-Yeltsin clique simply surrendered the socialist countries and regimes friendly to us in other places ... left them to their own devices, together with the people and elites. This is the result - open Russophobia. And where did she come from? Do you think that everyone there always hated Russians? Nothing of the kind! Remember the recent footage from Syria, where the Kurds are throwing stones and tomatoes at American armored cars - how did they suddenly get such "Americanophobia" and why suddenly ??? Reminds nothing ???
      1. Arkharov
        
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        7 November 2019 13: 17
        
        Are you firmly convinced that you hate? Maybe, after all, the matter is more in our zomboyaschik?
        
        Pishenkov
        
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        7 November 2019 13: 18
        
        ...I did not understand the question...
        
        Pishenkov
        
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        7 November 2019 13: 36
        
        If you are talking about how much Russians really hate Russians in Europe, then I say that this is not true. But it looks really true now. The fact is that at this stage there is a request for which “Russophobia” creeps out. If you remember the USSR, then also those who wanted to rise higher also publicly talked about the decay of the West, eternal communist ideals, etc., and at that time they themselves did their best to travel on this same rotting West, they sent Western goods their children, and really spat on all the communist ideals ...
        And in the West, at the same time, everyone was shown mass marches with Kumach panels and fiery speeches of Soviet leaders stigmatizing capitalism, what does the light stand for ...
        So now we are shown broken monuments, anti-Russian slogans, etc. And those who run it all, in real life, communicate perfectly with themselves when it’s beneficial for them ... Yes, and the majority of the population thinks for themselves ... There is an external request, and those who want to rise or attract attention to themselves, use it ...
Sapsan136

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6 November 2019 16: 46

Poland in Europe has always been called Kapstrana without capital and was treated with disdain, caused, among other things, by the Polish mentality (arrogance).
1. 123
  
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  7 November 2019 22: 16
  
  Poland in Europe has always been called Kapstrana without capital and was treated with disdain, caused, among other things, by the Polish mentality (arrogance).
  
  Is it too loudly said - ALWAYS? It only periodically existed as a country.
  
  In Polish -
  they look like a goat on a poster.
  In Polish - eyes bulge
  in tight police elephanthood -
  where, they say, and what kind of geographic news?
  
  V. Mayakovsky.
Sake

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6 November 2019 18: 32

Firstly, it was not the Poles who knocked out this fang from the USSR, but the USSR grabbed tight and was torn off along with the fang. I agree that the Poles set fire to the Bickford cord, from the explosion of which the Union ordered a long life. And the prerequisites for this process were the Pole - the pope in the Vatican, the rest we already know.
1. Arkharov
  
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  6 November 2019 19: 36
  
  Yes, here you are probably right, the chain of inevitable events began even earlier, with the Pope Pole. Remember about Annushka, already spilled oil?
Pishenkov

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6 November 2019 21: 35

... who spent his entire conscious life complementary to the US State Department, Valence, as they say, suffered.

- here I will correct the author or, perhaps, add: Lech Walesa, after being arrested on December 19, 1970 for participating in demonstrations in Gdansk, got into the "development" of the then Polish SB - Security Service (analogue of our KGB). After that, he became an agent under the nickname "Bolek". I do not know whether he worked for the Americans at the same time as the "Polish KGB" or only later started, and in general, for whom earlier, but this fact has been recorded. In May 1983, his folder in the Polish counterintelligence service was renamed to a new nickname - "Zadra". They tried to hush it up in every possible way after the fall of the socialist regime in Poland, since obviously Walesa's double agent (he insured himself, apparently, in case of any development of the situation) had already become the country's president. That is, he had all the tools to make this whole story "sink into oblivion". In 1992, Walesa personally, as the country's president, received in the SB archive a folder on the activities of "agent Bolk", about which there is a record in the archive, but he never returned it back. In 95-97 years, before re-nominating him for the elections, something nevertheless surfaced. There were even living witnesses from among the former employees. But the court in 2000 nevertheless acquitted Walesa, since all the evidence provided to the court was circumstantial, the main evidence from the Security Council archive disappeared without a trace, and the testimonies of witnesses who were officers of the "communist repressive apparatus" were considered not worthy of trust ... More would be - here are the former Polish "committee members", deprived of all rights and titles, considered in their own country after 1989 as social outcasts, and on the other hand, a whole president and a hero of the Resistance ... The outcome is clear and the result is predictable, in short ...

Here is such a "hero", the leader of the Polish resistance and the president of this country. As they say, every nation deserves its own power ...

I think if the "card went" in the late 80s in a different way, and slobber and traitors would not have come to power in the USSR, then now Walesa would probably boast about how he "twisted the Western special services" or something something like that ...
boriz

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6 November 2019 21: 59

Poles knocked out teeth of a Soviet bear

- said the KGB agent "Bolek".
BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine

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6 November 2019 23: 42

Half of Poland is left, and even they will soon die - and then we will divide psheks by concepts.
Vkd dvk

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7 November 2019 00: 15

Quote: Sake
It’s sad when a talented country simply burns itself in bouts of hatred .. very right, there are no objections, only this can be attributed to modern Russia!

A country, by definition, cannot be either talented or stupid. She herself is nothing. A portrait of the country is made by people.
Such as, for example, a participant in telecasts - a certain Koreyba, who once said that if they (the Poles) pay Russia more than the States, it will be pro-Russian.
There are no more prostitute and venal people than the Poles. Venal, vile, arrogant and full of aplomb and anger.
1. Sake
  
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  7 November 2019 10: 42
  
  Firstly, this is not my quote, and secondly, from the former state of the Union of 70-80s, the current Russian Federation has degraded to 37 years old and continues to burn the balance of domestic resources at a speed that can lead to a point of no return or to decay, to alienation of the gigantic areas where alien islands will be visible, like acne on the ass of an elephant.
  1. 123
    
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    7 November 2019 22: 19
    
    Firstly, this is not my quote, and secondly, from the former state of the Union of 70-80s, the current Russian Federation has degraded to 37 years old and continues to burn the balance of domestic resources at a speed that can lead to a point of no return or to decay, to alienation of the gigantic areas where alien islands will be visible, like acne on the ass of an elephant.
    
    About degradation before the 37th year and about the burning of resources can be more detailed, but it is boring.
Screw

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7 November 2019 03: 50

This is interesting, a locksmith pulled into philosophy.
What would Hegel say about this, if Gorky said unforgettable with his lips

Born to crawl - cannot fly.
Roarv

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7 November 2019 07: 42

A little British sanitary napkin, born in Poland, imagines a genius, a politician and a strategist .....
He performs well, being in the crotch of the British and s .... by vocation and purpose .....
Panting

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7 November 2019 08: 22

Well then! And who would have thought! And what they knocked out!
oracul

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7 November 2019 08: 30

Usually people grow wiser with age, but some, like Walesa, seem to be fooled by being at the top of power, attributing to themselves that which is not true.
jar.serge

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7 November 2019 14: 57

Polish pride, bordering on idiocy, has always been the reason for the disappearance of Poland from the world map, I think, not the last time. And Valens, this self-confident American lackey, would like to ask - well, where are your promises to the workers, where is the shipyard where you started as an electrician (however, that’s how he remained)?
bratchanin3

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7 November 2019 15: 14

I wonder where Poland would have turned if Valence had been banged on time.
bobba94

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7 November 2019 16: 32

My mother-in-law is 76 years old. At first I was angry, listening to her, arguing, trying to convince, then it dawned on me that age is age, and I just stopped paying attention. I listen to my mother-in-law, like an advertisement on TV, as if they were saying something there, but nothing was heard. What am I doing? Oh yes, Valence is already 76 years old.
Vkd dvk

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7 November 2019 18: 17

Quote: Sake
Firstly, this is not my quote, and secondly, from the former state of the Union of 70-80s, the current Russian Federation has degraded to 37 years old and continues to burn the balance of domestic resources at a speed that can lead to a point of no return or to decay, to alienation of the gigantic areas where alien islands will be visible, like acne on the ass of an elephant.

Literate people not quote their words and give a link at the end, so as not to be considered a swindler and a plagiarist. But since you haven’t done this, you will receive as an author.
valeriy7

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8 November 2019 00: 50

Walesa is a former electrician, and even seems to be of low qualification. Apparently, once out of inexperience, I tried to use my tongue to check the presence of voltage in the network. After that, he started talking. And the whole Polish politicum is fucked into the brain with 380 volts.
AICO

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8 November 2019 08: 01

Daredevils are emboldened - for a long time in Zyu did not put !!!
bratchanin3

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8 November 2019 09: 03

Well, I really want to take revenge on Muscovy for humiliation from Russia, which has been strangled by centuries of Polish arrogance and the actual failure of their state. They themselves broke off their rotten teeth about Minin and Pozharsky, then from MI Kutuzov as part of the Napoleonic invaders (about 100-150 thousand Poles were destroyed). Pshek does not manage to take revenge on Russia, so at least "pinch", at least with an insulting word towards Russia, amuse yourself.
Vkd dvk

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8 November 2019 22: 55

Quote: bratchanin3
Well, I really want to take revenge on Muscovy for humiliation from Russia, which has been strangled by centuries of Polish arrogance and the actual failure of their state. They themselves broke off their rotten teeth about Minin and Pozharsky, then from MI Kutuzov as part of the Napoleonic invaders (about 100-150 thousand Poles were destroyed). Pshek does not manage to take revenge on Russia, so at least "pinch", at least with an insulting word towards Russia, amuse yourself.

You did not mention A. V. Suvorov, who suppressed the uprising of Tadeusz Kosciuszko. Prince Michael Cleophas Oginsky wrote his polonaise "Farewell to the Motherland" and went to emigrate to Constantinople.