The reason for the mass shooting of colleagues by a soldier in Transbaikalia is named

October 30 2019 17

The commission of the Ministry of Defense, which studied the circumstances of the shooting of servicemen of military unit 54160 in Transbaikalia, confirmed the earlier version of interpersonal conflict and psychological incompatibility.

According to the publication RBC with reference to sources familiarized with the preliminary findings of the commission, the trigger of the tragedy was the conflict between private conscript Shamsutdinov and one of the officers on guard.

At the same time, the commission did not establish the facts of hazing or physical violence against the serviceman.

Meanwhile, the RIA News"referring to its own sources, it reports that there was still a conflict between Shamsutdinov and his colleagues: after the private soldier refused to comply with the officer’s order (it was possible to wash the floors), his colleagues tried to force him to do this.

As a result, while on guard duty, Shamsutdinov seized the moment and opened fire on his colleagues, killing eight and injuring several more people.

According to preliminary findings of the commission, one of the reasons for the tragedy was poor control over the situation in the unit by the command, due to the territorial remoteness of the military unit.

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gorenina91

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30 October 2019 15: 58

- Simply .., already only due to a weak and insignificant "extreme situation" a maniac, a serial killer was identified; who, sooner or later, would still have shown himself as savagely bloody in a similar situation ...
- There is simply nothing more to say ...
1. SANDRO
  
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  31 October 2019 11: 45
  
  I drew attention to the fact that you are actively commenting on ABSOLUTELY ALL materials that you meet on the way, at the same time entering into correspondence, but I can assure you that not all aspects of life are familiar to you! Grabbing to discuss / condemn any material of "Reporter", one must be familiar with the topic! Considering your gender difference with men, you did not serve in the Soviet-Russian (I am writing together, since in relation to the conscript it is the same) army, and accordingly, you do not know what HORROR is going on in military units! The fact that the commission did not find the facts of hazing in this part does not mean that they were not there! Take a closer look at Shamsutdinov's photo. You don't have to be a master of physiognomy here to understand - this guy was simply driven to the brink! The chaos in the Soviet-Russian army in relation to young recruits is comparable to the laws of the times of the slave system! Even the zone has its own kind of order, but in the army there is just quiet horror! I don’t condone murder, but to mold an 18-year-old guy as a serial killer and maniac is too much! It's good that you don't work as a judge ...
  1. gorenina91
    
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    31 October 2019 12: 33
    
    - That’s exactly what they’ll reduce ... - to the way ... as you state ... and this ... will not be punished ...
    - I would also agree that a shot at an officer was accidentally fired ...
    - But then go and kill these young guys in the head ... - But they didn’t shoot him at all ...
    - Do you yourself understand what you are writing ... ??? - And why look at him ??? - Nobody shot at this geek ..., but he walked around and shot in the heads of young colleagues ... - These are his "tormentors" and "mockers" it turned out that they did not even raise their hand to turn at him. .. They themselves are shot, they are killed, but they cannot shoot at a person ...
    - Because they are normal ... - That's exactly them I understand ... - Here they can be understood ...
    - I myself shot at the training camp quite a lot from the machine gun and from others (somewhere here I already wrote about it) and even shot from the AK-9 (this is a 9mm Kalashnikov assault rifle for special forces) ...
    - From the machine gun that those soldiers were armed, it’s quite difficult to shoot at those nearby ... - It's just the guys, apparently, were trying to somehow solve everything peacefully, lay down, probably on the floor, and this ... this and took advantage ... and began to come up and treacherously and meanly shoot them in the head ... - so there are so many killed ... - And this ... was not only vile, but also the most notorious coward ... - When they began to catch him ... - he immediately gave up ... - he was afraid that they would shoot him now ...
    -This is by all means finished ... -This is a serial killer, a real real vulgar maniac ...
  2. Aleksey Glotov
    
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    1 November 2019 08: 46
    
    ... this guy was just driven to the edge!
    
    A medal to him or something for the courage to stick on his forehead.
    I could have filed an official report on transferring to another unit or on refusal to perform military service ... I would go as a medical orderly-volunteer ... I am amazed at such humanity by the murderer of 8 people ... and if he shot a hundred people ... would also regret him ?
  3. Pawel ignatiew
    
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    1 November 2019 10: 03
    
    It’s just nonsense .. Three nephews served .. And they didn’t beat anyone .. Moreover, they told me if someone tried ... At once there were disassemblies of the military prosecutor’s office .. Therefore, only the charter ... Rather, what you wrote, if there is any somewhere, this is an exception to the rule ... I served at the end of 90 ... then yes .. there was a different time ... But if you are a normal person, then it was easy to adapt ....
boriz

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30 October 2019 17: 19

I readily believe about the sexes. 1985 - 87g. served as a biennial officer in the construction battalion. Those who lived under the USSR have a rough idea of what it is. For 2 years, there were 2 cases associated with washing floors. The situation is completely dead-end. The commander must ensure the unquestioning obedience of the entrusted unit. And what if 120 people in the barracks wash the floors, and one refuses? "I can't wash the floors, I'm a man!" And where will the discipline be after that? The rest are not men? I saw a photo where he is sitting on a stool, the familiar stupidly stubborn expression on his face, does not convince. And the commander is simply obliged to make him wash the floors, otherwise the unit will become uncontrollable.
I understand the commander perfectly. I feel sorry for him to tears.
Unfortunately, there is no formal resolution to such situations. They were, are and will be. And their resolution must begin from there, from the mountains. People should pay attention to the fact that 1000 years have already passed unnoticed.
1. plabu
  
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  4 November 2019 11: 01
  
  There is always a solution, so you may not be able to find it right away - and about the sexes I had the same situation, and a little later, during the period of rampant democracy in the army, so to speak - there was also one ... who said that "... men don't wash floors "- it was on alert, announced the construction of the entire shift bowl, and then everything is relatively simple - be equal! to attention! Private G ... v, get out of order! I order you to do wet cleaning ... before ..., report on the execution of the order no later ... ... and "where will he go from the submarine," especially when you are relatively close by and are almost present, well, doing other things does not interfere with this absolutely) and after the system was dismissed, a couple of fellow countrymen from the same republics approached him, albeit not immediately, even for a few seconds, what they said, but that was not interesting to me from the word at all) and the washing began, and he himself, and not someone else for him, and the report was, non-observance of the order, and even being on the DB, it "weighs" not weakly according to the Criminal Code ...
  Although it was not often, but still)
Fox

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30 October 2019 19: 50

It happened on an urgent basis, the Uzbeks decided that they should not wash the floors, but only the Russians should wash. Having gathered from two parts at 12 in the night in a crowd, with belts and sticks, they came (there were 80 people) to teach "Uruses" ... the most interesting thing is that there were about 20 Russians, but everyone got up ... then they got up and stood up to the Russians: Kazakhs , Kyrgyz, Ossetians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Estonians, Abkhazians, Kalmyks ... the Uzbeks asked the Kazakhs - you are also Muslims, why not with us? The answer was - we are Muslims, not ......! Well, the Uzbeks got the hell out of it ... I was on guard that night (like most Russians - on business trips and guards), the duty officer did not tell us anything about this - he blocked the connection so that they would not rush in and not touch these Uzbeks ... it was 90 ...
senima56

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30 October 2019 19: 55

He had a "conflict with an officer" ... and the other 9 people have something to do with it? Well, I would have slammed an officer - it is understandable ... And why did I shoot at others then, and even "I do not regret anything!"
Victor March 47

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30 October 2019 23: 27

Quote: senima56
He had a "conflict with an officer" ... and the other 9 people have something to do with it? Well, I would have slammed an officer - it is understandable ... And why did I shoot at others then, and even "I do not regret anything!"

In fact, there was no conflict with the officer. He condoned the hazing. He served himself, I know that two officers in a company, without old-timers, can’t do anything. Reliance on bullying is a vice that has been corroding our army for a long time. Silent, outwardly, like, condemning this, but in fact .....
Nikolaevich I

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31 October 2019 02: 11

It is a pity that this ... will live! And they are trying to justify this bastard who killed 9 people! There is such a "sharashka" Change.org, which promotes a petition to justify the murderer! Once upon a time I received appeals from this site and even sometimes signed ... But then I noticed that there it is possible to put forward any "roll" and this "petition" with a roll of "org" will be distributed! Yes, there are also normal, relevant petitions; but "to the fig" of various petty or idiotic, disgusting appeals!
1. gorenina91
  
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  31 October 2019 04: 36
  
  - Yes, that's right ... this ... will stay alive ... most likely, some kind of psychiatric hospital for a short time, and then just ... release ... and ... and ... and ... and complete freedom of action ... - That's all ... - And there ... at least kill people slowly (when they still catch); or get into the truck and step on the gas ... - right into the crowd of defenseless people ... - there are more than enough examples for this ...
  - It was not for nothing that I cited the cannibal Dzhumagaliev as an example ... who was "treated" many times in psychiatric hospitals, then released; then he killed again, ate people and he was again locked in a psychiatric hospital, and then released again ... - and again "murder and eating", and again a psychiatric hospital ... - And now this geek is alive and well ...
  - I am simply amazed by the chorus of "intercessors" even here ... - A little more, and this abomination will be raised to the rank of a great sufferer and victim ... - And none of them even bothered about the relatives of the victims; there is not a single drop of regret for these killed young healthy men ... - What's that ??? - So it was necessary ???
  - These "intercessors" ... what ... live on a cloud ??? - They have that .., no children, grandchildren; brothers, daughters, sons, husbands, fathers ??? - I don’t feel sorry for them ... - They will grieve later ... but now they ... - stand upright behind this ...
Sorry

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31 October 2019 07: 57

Against the background of creating an image of complete prosperity in the RF Armed Forces and closing the system from the public, such infa nevertheless breaks through. Firstly, it is impossible to conceal it. Secondly, thirdly, and tenthly, it is that in the RF Armed Forces the heavy tradition of the USSR Armed Forces has been preserved at all levels. Lies there entered into the rank of art. Platoon lies to the company, company lies to the battalion, battalion lies to the regiment. And so to the very top. Therefore, in fact, no one knows and does not understand the real state of affairs in the Ministry of Defense. And that means that society does not know. Unstoppiness continues and is improved. She, like the mafia and drunkenness in the army, is invincible today. The thing is that the system itself does not make it possible to eradicate it. Everything has been turned upside down for decades, from the late USSR to the modern RF Armed Forces. Why is the commander (chief) still responsible for the crimes of subordinates. It is necessary to put the matter in such a way that the commander was interested in solving crimes. He planted the criminal and get gratitude, not censure. Why at the production site the manager is not at all interested in harboring, but on the contrary, is creating a whole system for detecting crimes. And it is right. In the army, the opposite is true. Now, the relationship between the officers themselves is completely incomprehensible. The junior officers themselves, the elders live by their own interests, and the generals are generally celestials. It is very dangerous. It is also necessary to review this component, to begin the preparation of the education of officers from the school. Ask what is the honor of an officer, no one can articulate to you. Well, then drunkenness among officers flourishes. I don’t even want to comment on it. I see ..... Who and how to solve these problems in the Ministry of Defense, in the State Duma, in the office of the President, is unclear. So the conclusions of this commission indicate that people figured out, understood everything, but they say they report lies. Shame and shame! Conclusion, in the RF Armed Forces there is an elementary mess.
steelmaker

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31 October 2019 09: 57

I said that in the army everything depends on the officers - their training and education. I explain about the sexes. If the soldier refuses to obey the order, then you put him on the counter "SMIRNO" and under the visor you order to wash the floors. If after that the soldier refuses to obey the order, he is arrested, and the officer writes a report. And in the best case, the soldier is waiting for the penal battalion. I served in three different units and the floors were washed. Just after the command "SMIRNO" everyone understood what would happen for non-observance of the order!
1. boriz
  
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  31 October 2019 12: 34
  
  I don’t know what year you served, but besides the personality of the officer, the system is of great importance. For example, under Khrushchev, a kind of "democracy" was introduced into the punishment system. If before him the unit commander had the right to send a soldier for 2 months to the disciplinary battalion (the penal battalion is in the war) and this was considered a gross violation of military discipline, then Khrushchev made it so that the disciplinary battalion can only be sent through court. And this is already a crime. As a result, the same violation moved in disciplinary practice (did you see what it is?) From the column "gross violations of military discipline" to the column "crimes". If an officer is pushed a little behind the GNVD (a familiar thing), then for a crime the officer, for at least a year, could forget about the next rank or transfer to a higher position. Which is very sad.
  But the most important thing is that the officer is not alone in serving and is responsible for the results of the service. And the fact that he wrote the report is not all. The platoon commander's report will be placed on the company commander's desk. If he writes "I petition on the merits of the report", the paper will go to the battalion commander ...
  With each next step, the chances of running into a commander who are about to face the next rank or promotion (which he provided with a good relationship with a higher commander, personnel officers, boxes of cool booze and other goodies) increase. And then, because of some kind of "nervous" platoon commander, all this is covered with a copper basin ?!
  There follows a call to the office and the return of the report (or a demonstrative sending it to a basket of trash) and, through clenched teeth, "you do not know how to work with personnel, comrade senior lieutenant, go, work!" After that, the starley returns to the barracks, takes the soldier into the locker and brings up with improvised means. Doesn't have to hit right away. For a start - a disco, this is a night (instead of sleeping) in the dining room for washing dishes. Well, then - how it goes. There were different cases ...
  And disbat is not "at best". This is an extreme case. Before that - the howbahn. Penalties are applied incrementally. But disbat is the only 100% effective remedy. The lips of a soldier are afraid until the first time (if it is an authorized lip). The body is young, there is a lot of health ...
  This is where the roots of the flourishing of hazing in the 60s and later. As soon as the relationship between the commander and the soldier goes beyond the scope of the charter, the commander enlists the old servicemen in the "education" (for a number of reasons). Well, we get what we get.
  Moreover, in the army, it is impossible to completely get rid of assault. But in no case should it be passed on to the grandfathers. Well, there should be a measure. In the "almost statutory" part of the NVOs begin to be tracked in the bathhouse. The foreman or political officer must be present at the washing of personnel. Every bruise or abrasion is an explanatory note and investigation. And this is already going on as a flaw in the platoon commander. It's a dreary, boring business, but without it - nowhere.
  1. plabu
    
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    4 November 2019 11: 30
    
    Your main idea is understandable, but everything rests on the officer, by and large, by and large, I had something similar when I tried to scream as well, but it didn’t work out for him, firstly, because I calmly and without shouting said that nobody had the right to educate me in the presence of subordinates, in response to the cries they started that I would drive and the like - to which I just as calmly answered that about the drive - I still do not know who will drive whom and whom, at one time I’m very complicated the guys served, then everything follows the pattern - to the prosecutor’s office, like, I’m with ast - the answer is not a question, Comrade Colonel, in the military and the general prosecutor’s office, I have at least five schoolmates already serving as cleaners, and most importantly, I have less than six months left until the end of the contract, and I have the right to retire ALREADY))) and that commander, in the end, was dismissed from the post of regiment and driven into an unknown place, then he went, tried to get into the finalists ...
    PS A few years later I arrived, I am walking along the town street, suddenly one walking towards me abruptly and quickly crosses the road, and even in front of the car, I look, and this is the very same former unit commander who was walking along my side, but almost in front of me suddenly switched to another, why would it ??)))
    Scented, apparently, a cat whose meat she wanted to eat)))
    But the most interesting remained, as usual, behind the scenes, about him somehow next time ...
bratchanin3

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1 November 2019 14: 13

And what does the remoteness of the part have to do with it? This makes no sense.