The reason for the mass shooting of colleagues by a soldier in Transbaikalia is named

The commission of the Ministry of Defense, which studied the circumstances of the shooting of servicemen of military unit 54160 in Transbaikalia, confirmed the earlier version of interpersonal conflict and psychological incompatibility.




According to the publication RBC with reference to sources familiarized with the preliminary findings of the commission, the trigger of the tragedy was the conflict between private conscript Shamsutdinov and one of the officers on guard.

At the same time, the commission did not establish the facts of hazing or physical violence against the serviceman.

Meanwhile, the RIA News"referring to its own sources, it reports that there was still a conflict between Shamsutdinov and his colleagues: after the private soldier refused to comply with the officer’s order (it was possible to wash the floors), his colleagues tried to force him to do this.

As a result, while on guard duty, Shamsutdinov seized the moment and opened fire on his colleagues, killing eight and injuring several more people.

According to preliminary findings of the commission, one of the reasons for the tragedy was poor control over the situation in the unit by the command, due to the territorial remoteness of the military unit.
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  1. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 30 October 2019 15: 58
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    - Just .., already only due to the weak and insignificant “extreme situation” a maniac, serial killer was revealed; who sooner or later would still prove himself as savage-bloody in such a situation ...
    - There is simply nothing more to say ...
    1. SANDRO Offline
      SANDRO (Sandro) 31 October 2019 11: 45
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      I drew attention to the fact that you are actively commenting on ABSOLUTELY ALL the materials that you encounter along the way, while also entering into correspondence, but I can assure you that not all aspects of life are familiar to you! When grasping to discuss / condemn any Reporter material, you must be familiar with the topic! Given your gender difference with men, you did not serve in the Soviet-Russian (I write together, since it is the same with respect to the draftee) army, and accordingly, you do not know what HORROR is happening in military units! The fact that the commission did not find the facts of hazing in this part does not mean that they were not there! Take a closer look at Shamsutdinov’s photo. Here you do not have to be a master of physiognomy to understand - this guy was just brought to the edge! The lawlessness in the Soviet-Russian Army against young conscripts is comparable to the laws of the times of the slave system! Even in the zone there is some sort of order, but in the army - just quiet horror! I do not condone the murder, but sculpting on the 18-year-old guy the stigma of a serial killer and a maniac is too much! It's good that you do not work as a judge ...
      1. gorenina91 Offline
        gorenina91 (Irina) 31 October 2019 12: 33
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        - That’s exactly what they’ll reduce ... - to the way ... as you state ... and this ... will not be punished ...
        - I would also agree that a shot at an officer was accidentally fired ...
        - But then go and kill these young guys in the head ... - But they didn’t shoot him at all ...
        - Do you yourself understand what you are writing ... ??? - And why look at him ??? - Nobody shot this geek ... and he walked and shot at the heads of young colleagues ... - These were his "tormentors" and "mockers", it turned out that they didn’t even have their hands raised to give them a turn. .. They shoot themselves, they are killed, and they can’t shoot at a person ...
        - Because they are normal ... - That's exactly them I understand ... - Here they can be understood ...
        - I myself shot at the training camp quite a lot from the machine gun and from others (somewhere here I already wrote about it) and even shot from the AK-9 (this is a 9mm Kalashnikov assault rifle for special forces) ...
        - From the machine gun that those soldiers were armed, it’s quite difficult to shoot at those nearby ... - It's just the guys, apparently, were trying to somehow solve everything peacefully, lay down, probably on the floor, and this ... this and took advantage ... and began to come up and treacherously and meanly shoot them in the head ... - so there are so many killed ... - And this ... was not only vile, but also the most notorious coward ... - When they began to catch him ... - he immediately gave up ... - he was afraid that they would shoot him now ...
        -This is by all means finished ... -This is a serial killer, a real real vulgar maniac ...
      2. Aleksey Glotov Offline
        Aleksey Glotov (alexey glotov) 1 November 2019 08: 46
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        ... this guy was just driven to the edge!

        A medal to him or something for the courage to stick on his forehead.
        I could have filed an official report on transferring to another unit or on refusal to perform military service ... I would go as a medical orderly-volunteer ... I am amazed at such humanity by the murderer of 8 people ... and if he shot a hundred people ... would also regret him ?
      3. Pawel ignatiew Offline
        Pawel ignatiew (Pawel Ignatiew) 1 November 2019 10: 03
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        It’s just nonsense .. Three nephews served .. And they didn’t beat anyone .. Moreover, they told me if someone tried ... At once there were disassemblies of the military prosecutor’s office .. Therefore, only the charter ... Rather, what you wrote, if there is any somewhere, this is an exception to the rule ... I served at the end of 90 ... then yes .. there was a different time ... But if you are a normal person, then it was easy to adapt ....
  2. boriz Online
    boriz (boriz) 30 October 2019 17: 19
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    About the sexes, I willingly believe. In 1985 - 87 He served as a biennial officer in the construction battalion. Those who lived under the USSR roughly imagine what it is. For 2 years, there were 2 cases related specifically to mopping. The situation is completely deadlock. The commander must ensure unquestioning submission to the entrusted unit. And what if 120 people in the barracks wash the floors, and one refuses? "I can’t wash the floors, I'm a man!" And where will the discipline be after that? The rest are not men? I saw a photo where he sits on a stool, a familiar stupidly stubborn expression on his face, not to convince. And the commander is simply obliged to force him to clean the floors, otherwise the unit will become uncontrollable.
    I understand the commander perfectly. I feel sorry for him to tears.
    Unfortunately, there is no formal resolution to such situations. They were, are and will be. And their resolution must begin from there, from the mountains. People should pay attention to the fact that 1000 years have already passed unnoticed.
    1. 321 Offline
      321 (321) 4 November 2019 11: 01
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      There is always a solution, but it may not work out right away - and as for the sexes, I had the same situation, and a little later, during the rampant of democracy in the army, so to speak - there was also one ... who stated that "... men don’t wash the floors "- it was on alert, announced the construction of the entire dezh shift, and then everything is relatively simple - be equal! quietly! Private G ... in, fail! I order a wet cleaning ... before ..., the execution of the order to be reported no later ... ... and "where is he going to get from the submarine," especially when you are relatively close, and almost present, well, doing other things doesn’t interfere with this at all) and after he dismissed the system, he didn’t immediately go to him, but a couple of fellow countrymen from the same republics approached, albeit for a few seconds, what they said, but it was not interesting to me from the word at all) and washing did begin, moreover, by himself, and not by someone for him, and there was a report, failure to kaz, and even being on the DB is not weak "weighs" according to the Criminal Code ...
      Although it was not often, but still)
  3. Fox Offline
    Fox 30 October 2019 19: 50
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    It happened at the time of the delay, the Uzbeks decided that they should not wash the floors, and that they should be washed exclusively by Russians. Gathering from two parts at 12 am in a crowd, with belts and sticks, they came (there were about 80 people) to learn "Uruses" ... the most interesting thing was that there were about 20 Russians, but they all got up ... then they got up and stood up to the Russians: Kazakhs , Kyrgyz, Ossetians, Georgians, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Estonians, Abkhazians, Kalmyks ... Uzbeks asked Kazakhs - you are also Muslims, why not with us? The answer was this - we are Muslims, not ......! Well, the Uzbeks robbed to the fullest ... I was on guard that night (like most Russians — on business trips and on guard), the duty officer didn’t tell us anything about it - they blocked communication so that they wouldn’t rush and touch these Uzbeks ... it was 90 years old ...
  4. senima56 Offline
    senima56 (Nikolai) 30 October 2019 19: 55
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    He had a "conflict with an officer" ... and the other 9 people had something to do with it? Well, an officer would have banged - it’s understandable ... And why did he shoot at others then, and even "I have no regrets about anything!"
  5. Victor March 47 Offline
    Victor March 47 (Victor March 47) 30 October 2019 23: 27
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    Quote: senima56
    He had a "conflict with an officer" ... and the other 9 people had something to do with it? Well, an officer would have banged - it’s understandable ... And why did he shoot at others then, and even "I have no regrets about anything!"

    In fact, there was no conflict with the officer. He condoned the hazing. He served himself, I know that two officers in a company, without old-timers, can’t do anything. Reliance on bullying is a vice that has been corroding our army for a long time. Silent, outwardly, like, condemning this, but in fact .....
  6. Nikolaevich I Offline
    Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 31 October 2019 02: 11
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    It is a pity that this ... will live! And they are trying to justify this bastard, who took the lives of 9 people! There is such a “sharashka” Change.org that promotes a petition to justify the killer! Once I received appeals from this site and even signed it sometimes ... But then I noticed that there could be any kind of “lump” and that “petition” with a lump of “org” would be distributed! Yes, there are normal, current petitions; but "to hell" of various petty or idiotic, vile appeals!
    1. gorenina91 Offline
      gorenina91 (Irina) 31 October 2019 04: 36
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      - Yes, that's right ... this ... will stay alive ... most likely, some kind of psychiatric hospital for a short time, and then just ... release ... and ... and ... and ... and complete freedom of action ... - That's all ... - And there ... at least kill people slowly (when they still catch); or get into the truck and step on the gas ... - right into the crowd of defenseless people ... - there are more than enough examples for this ...
      - It’s not without reason that I cited the cannibal Dzhumagaliev as an example .., who was "treated" in psychiatric hospitals many times, then released; then he again killed, ate people and was again locked in a psychiatric hospital, and then again released ...- and again “killings and eating”, and again a psychiatric hospital ... - And now this geek is alive and well ...
      - The choir of "intercessors" just amazes me even here ... - A little more, and this abomination will be elevated to the rank of a great sufferer and a victim ... - And not one of them even bothered about the relatives of the dead; there is not a bit of regret for these murdered young healthy men ... - Is that ??? - So it was necessary ???
      - These "intercessors" ... what ... live on a cloud ??? - They have something .., no children, grandchildren; brothers, daughters, sons, husbands, fathers ??? - They don’t feel sorry for them ... -That they will later lament .., and now they ... -really stand behind this mountain ...
  7. Sorry Offline
    Sorry (Boris Gorodetsky) 31 October 2019 07: 57
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    Against the background of creating an image of complete prosperity in the RF Armed Forces and closing the system from the public, such infa nevertheless breaks through. Firstly, it is impossible to conceal it. Secondly, thirdly, and tenthly, it is that in the RF Armed Forces the heavy tradition of the USSR Armed Forces has been preserved at all levels. Lies there entered into the rank of art. Platoon lies to the company, company lies to the battalion, battalion lies to the regiment. And so to the very top. Therefore, in fact, no one knows and does not understand the real state of affairs in the Ministry of Defense. And that means that society does not know. Unstoppiness continues and is improved. She, like the mafia and drunkenness in the army, is invincible today. The thing is that the system itself does not make it possible to eradicate it. Everything has been turned upside down for decades, from the late USSR to the modern RF Armed Forces. Why is the commander (chief) still responsible for the crimes of subordinates. It is necessary to put the matter in such a way that the commander was interested in solving crimes. He planted the criminal and get gratitude, not censure. Why at the production site the manager is not at all interested in harboring, but on the contrary, is creating a whole system for detecting crimes. And it is right. In the army, the opposite is true. Now, the relationship between the officers themselves is completely incomprehensible. The junior officers themselves, the elders live by their own interests, and the generals are generally celestials. It is very dangerous. It is also necessary to review this component, to begin the preparation of the education of officers from the school. Ask what is the honor of an officer, no one can articulate to you. Well, then drunkenness among officers flourishes. I don’t even want to comment on it. I see ..... Who and how to solve these problems in the Ministry of Defense, in the State Duma, in the office of the President, is unclear. So the conclusions of this commission indicate that people figured out, understood everything, but they say they report lies. Shame and shame! Conclusion, in the RF Armed Forces there is an elementary mess.
  8. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 31 October 2019 09: 57
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    I said that in the army everything depends on the officers - their training and education. I explain at the expense of the sexes. If a soldier refuses to carry out the order, then you put him at the SMIRNO counter and order him to clean the floors under the visor. If even after this the soldier refuses to carry out the order, he is arrested, and the officer writes a report. And in the best case, a soldier is waiting for a penal battalion. I served in three different parts and washed the floors. Just after the SMIRNO team, everyone understood what would happen if the order was not followed!
    1. boriz Online
      boriz (boriz) 31 October 2019 12: 34
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      I don’t know what year you served, but besides the personality of the officer, the system is of great importance. For example, under Khrushchev a certain “democracy” was introduced into the punishment system. If before him the unit commander had the right, by his power, to send a soldier for 2 months to a disbath (a penal battalion is in war) and this was considered a gross violation of military discipline, then Khrushchev made it possible that he could be sent to a disbat only through court. And this is a crime. As a result, one and the same violation moved in disciplinary practice (did you see what it is?) From the column "gross violations of military discipline" to the column "crime". If for the GNVD the officers are a little bent (the usual thing), then for the crime the officer, for at least a year, could forget about the next rank or transfer to a higher position. Which is very sad.
      But most importantly, the officer serves and is not responsible for the results of the service. And the fact that he wrote a report is not all. The report of the platoon commander will lie on the table to the company commander. If he writes "I am applying for a substantive report," the paper will go to the battalion commander ...
      With each next step, the chances of running into a commander who is about to be awaited by the next rank or promotion (which he provided with a good relationship with a higher commander, personnel officers, classroom bins and other nishtyaks) increase. And here, because of some kind of “nervous” commander’s platoon, all this is covered with a copper basin ?!
      You should call to the office and return the report (or defiantly send it to the garbage basket) and, through your teeth, "do not know how to work with personnel, Comrade Senior Lieutenant, go, work!" After this, Starley returns to the barracks, leads the fighter into the locker room and brings up improvised means. Not necessarily hit right away. To begin with - a disco, this is the night (instead of sleeping) in the dining room for washing dishes. Well, then - how it goes. There were different cases ...
      And disbath is not "at best." This is an extreme case. Before that - a guardhouse. Punishments are applied incrementally. But disbat is the only 100% effective remedy. The lips of a soldier are afraid until the first time (if it is a statutory lip). The body is young, a lot of health ...
      It is here that the roots of the heyday of hazing in the 60s and later. As soon as the relationship between the commander and the soldier goes beyond the scope of the charter, the commander engages in the "upbringing" of old-timers (for a number of reasons). Well, we get what we get.
      Moreover, in the army it is impossible to completely get rid of assault. But in no case can this be passed on to grandfathers. Well, the measure should be. In the "almost authorized" part of the IEE begin to be tracked in the bath. An elder or political officer must be present at the washing of personnel. Every bruise or abrasion is an explanatory comrade and an investigation. And this is already happening, like a flaw in the commander’s platoon. It’s a boring, boring thing, but without it - nowhere.
      1. 321 Offline
        321 (321) 4 November 2019 11: 30
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        Your main idea is understandable, but everything rests on the officer, by and large, by and large, I had something similar when I tried to scream as well, but it didn’t work out for him, firstly, because I calmly and without shouting said that nobody had the right to educate me in the presence of subordinates, in response to the cries they started that I would drive and the like - to which I just as calmly answered that about the drive - I still do not know who will drive whom and whom, at one time I’m very complicated the guys served, then everything follows the pattern - to the prosecutor’s office, like, I’m with ast - the answer is not a question, Comrade Colonel, in the military and the general prosecutor’s office, I have at least five schoolmates already serving as cleaners, and most importantly, I have less than six months left until the end of the contract, and I have the right to retire ALREADY))) and that commander, in the end, was dismissed from the post of regiment and driven into an unknown place, then he went, tried to get into the finalists ...
        PS A few years later I arrived, I am walking along the town street, suddenly one walking towards me abruptly and quickly crosses the road, and even in front of the car, I look, and this is the very same former unit commander who was walking along my side, but almost in front of me suddenly switched to another, why would it ??)))
        Scented, apparently, a cat whose meat she wanted to eat)))
        But the most interesting remained, as usual, behind the scenes, about him somehow next time ...
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    bratchanin3 (Gennady) 1 November 2019 14: 13
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    And what does the remoteness of the part have to do with it? This makes no sense.