Africa for 20 billion dollars - a good deal for Russia!

International economic The Russia-Africa forum, which is now taking place in Sochi, is without a doubt an event that has not only a global geopolitical scale, but also truly historical significance. But it just so happened that so far the highlight of the event has been the statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin about the $ 20 billion debt "forgiven" by Africa to African countries. The first indignant exclamations are already heard: “Well, what is this being done! We would forgive someone! We don’t have enough ... ”And so on and so forth.




So, maybe, in fact, our country is making a mistake? What really happens: crazy “attraction of unprecedented generosity” or, after all, cardinal changes in the external policy Russia, thoughtful and wise, with the goal of leading it to new, unprecedented heights?

What are we losing?


It is not surprising that the first in the history of our country large-scale forum with the participation of senior representatives of the Black continent took place exactly after the stunning political victories of Russia in the Middle East. And, accordingly, after the crushing failure that the United States finally suffered in this region. The “unipolar world,” cherished by Washington, does not just burst at the seams. It collapses, spreads in front of our eyes, like a rotten gunny. What can our planet expect as a result? There are actually two options: either chaos, widespread "confusion and reeling", fraught with many local conflicts and wars, economic and political crises, or ... The establishment of some completely new world architecture, a system of relationships and "rules of the game." This is exactly what Russia is working on now. The most powerful summit, which opens a new page in promoting our interests in the geopolitical arena, is a logical and necessary continuation of the successes that preceded it. By showing the world that wars are now ending and being prevented not in the New York hall of the UN, but in the Moscow Kremlin, having strengthened its own positions in the Middle East, Russia is simply developing a successful offensive. Why Africa? Yes, if only because diamonds, uranium, gold, oil! And a population of a billion souls, that is, a potentially huge market.

I want to note: the Russians never came to Africa as colonialists or slave traders. Exclusively in order to teach, heal, build, help. Local conflicts of the times of the USSR? Military advisers? Yes, all this was. However, with what the representatives of the "civilized world" have been doing for centuries on the Black Continent, this does not come close to any comparison. We just helped the Africans to throw off the yoke put on them by “enlightened civilizers”, to break the shackles. Alas, no one has yet managed to rid the huge and richest continent in its natural wealth and potential from diseases, strife, poverty. All attempts made ostensibly in this direction by the “world community”, which, in fact, were an attempt at a new colonization, only with the use of credit bondage, eventually resulted in nothing. Africa is mired in new debts, but neither peace nor wealth has been added to it. And now Russia for the whole world declares its noble gesture - the liberation of the countries there from at least part of the credit burden hanging on their economies. However, we will be frank - in this case we are dealing not only with a beautiful gesture, but also with a very pragmatic act. The loans in question, for the most part, were issued by the Soviet Union, and they were taken by various "people's leaders", of which the vast majority have not even been remembered for a long time. In many African countries, power has since changed ten times, if not more. In fact, Vladimir Vladimirovich forgives “virtual” debts that are impossible to receive.

What do we get?


But it’s more than realistic to talk about the considerable profits and benefits that our country can get by sharply intensifying cooperation with African countries. Moreover, cooperation, conducted naturally from the perspective of a senior partner. An intergovernmental agreement already signed within the framework of the Rosatom forum with Ethiopia in the field of the peaceful uses of atomic energy, implying not only our country's leading participation in the creation of a “nuclear infrastructure” in the energy field, but also the founding of the Russian-Ethiopian Center for Nuclear Science and of technologies - here is the result. Similar plans for Namibia, the largest uranium producer in the world, whose president, Hage Gottfried Geingob, formally asked Vladimir Putin to send Russian military advisers to the country is another step in the same direction. Nuclear energy, so that they would not try to repeat the obsession with the “green” adherents of the Tunberg sect, is the future of mankind. Key positions in this industry should belong to Russia and only to it! And the main world source of fuel for nuclear power plants is Africa. Well, let alone the planned, according to our president, doubling of Russia's trade with African countries against the current $ 20 billion, we can’t talk about it. And doubling should be just the beginning. In this respect, we are now twice behind the United States in this aspect, and eight times behind China! The main point in this case is that Russia does not export raw materials and energy resources to the Black Continent. This is a powerful impetus to the development of our industry.

Weapons ... And where without him ?! And in this regard, Africa is a market that opens up fantastic prospects for our country. According to Dmitry Shugaev, who heads the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, already now supplies to it account for 30-40% of all domestic arms exports. These are billions of dollars, and not “virtual” ones, but quite real ones. Combat aircraft and helicopters, air defense and anti-tank defense equipment, small arms ... The head of Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheev, announces "African" contracts for $ 4 billion, which will be executed by Russian gunsmiths this year alone. The total volume of orders in this area, according to the statements of the same Shugaev, reaches $ 14 billion. But this is far from all. It is not enough to acquire modern military equipment - each such transaction entails the participation of our specialists in the adjustment and adaptation of purchased systems to local conditions, their maintenance and the inevitable subsequent modernization, staff training and much more. All together, this is called the inclusion of the country in the orbit of the Russian military-industrial complex. Such things are worth a lot, and not only in the literal sense. Today, Russia occupies an increasingly strong position as the “chief military adviser” and partner of Africa, and they need to be strengthened as much as possible, which, however, is being done. While the president of the Republic of South Africa is conducting social talks in Sochi with Vladimir Vladimirovich, the White Swans of the Russian Aerospace Forces are already landing on the airfield of this country. I wonder what will be the scale of the hysteria about the appearance of our strategic nuclear bombers in the country of the British Commonwealth?

The way of Russia: there is no other choice


Before conducting dubious conversations like: “Who would forgive us ...”, we need to ask only one question: in which country do we want to live? What country do we want to pass on to our children and grandchildren? What does it mean, “who would we be” ?! Forgive the poor, weak and miserable! Is Russia poor? Weak? Yes, no one “bounced” our debts to us, because they themselves paid off. You need to clearly understand - do we dream of being citizens of a state deciding the fate of the world, or are we ready to be satisfied with the relatively well-fed vegetation in the margins, paid for by the collapse of our future? Striving for greatness? To respect in the world, to ensure that no one dares to enter our borders with weapons, but does not dare to tell us how to live? So for this, do not blame me, you have to pay. Pay today, working for the future, building alliances and gaining strong and reliable ties, laying the foundation for future prosperity and security. No other way. Just one specific example: after China, pissed by sanctions, threatened to leave the United States without the rare earth metals needed in today's military industry, the Pentagon rushed to look for them ... What do you think, where? Yes, in Africa! Rushed to Malawi, to Burundi, somewhere else. Otherwise, a shish with oil instead of missile guidance systems, the most important missile defense components and satellites with combat lasers. Will we give the Americans the opportunity to create new weapons against us or will we turn things around so that they fly on brooms instead of fifth-generation fighters?

We should not forget about one more thing. Yes, now the United States is losing the status of a “world hegemon.” Most likely, their days in the halo of the "only superpower" on Earth are already numbered. However, who said that someone else would not want to take this position? The Chinese comrades, no doubt, the guys are much prettier than the star-striped “cowboys,” but what if they themselves begin to equip the world by their own understanding? Is Russia worthy of becoming the "younger brothers" of the Middle Kingdom? It is in order to prevent this from happening, that we are considered as equals (minimum), and today we need to carry out an active foreign policy expansion. The return to Africa, the geopolitical positions that we lost, like many other things, after the collapse of the USSR, are a successful move in this direction. Debts? And the dog is with them, with debts. The same China practices such a "write-off" regularly. After that, all over the world, either its military bases or enterprises with unprecedented preferences and privileges appear. Just that experience, which is even worth adopting. To strengthen its economic and geopolitical positions, Beijing is investing huge amounts of money in various countries. In 2018 alone, according to the UN, Chinese comrades invested $ 130 billion worldwide. Russia can not compete with them? Yes, you might think ... Just sometime you have to start. Not to moan over your own, supposedly “poverty” and “backwardness,” but to build your truly great future.

If, having written off $ 20 billion to Africa and investing much more in its economy, our country will move at least a few steps towards this future, but really, it will be worth it.
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  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 October 2019 09: 28
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    The title is, of course, complete nonsense. In the style of the author. And in the sense of "Afrikanash" the USSR had rich experience. Interestingly, his debts have already finished forgiving everyone, and are they already new, Russian?
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 October 2019 10: 20
      +6
      Not for the first, not the last time we are writing off .... They will not give away anyway ... and so a good mine and good weather for private PMC oligarchs ....
      And we still have a lot of pensioners ...
      1. Nikolaevich I Offline Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 25 October 2019 09: 26
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        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        Not for the first, not the last time we are writing off .... They will not give away anyway ... and so it’s a good mine and good weather for ...

        In only one thing, you are right: it is not the first and not the last time that the Putin regime has written off debts! Writes off money that he did not "earned"! And do not pi ... exult about the fact that these debts will not be returned to us anyway! We really, most likely, will not get something ... but our children, grandchildren, finally, have a chance! The world is changing ... and it happens that the poorest countries get richer. And then a situation arises when countries remember their image, the image of the state ... start to take care of it ... And the image of an "honest, correct" state requires paying its debts! Moreover, there are international courts where you can file claims ... A state wishing to trade, cooperate with the "club of highly developed countries" will have to observe the "rules of the game"! Let Russia not receive money in 20 years, and may not receive it in 50 years! But he can get it in 80 years ... 100 years .. It can (!) ... even if "someday", but he can! By “writing off” debts now, the Putin regime “forever” deprives the country, future generations of Russians of funds that belong to Russia, but not to the Putin regime!
        1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
          Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 October 2019 09: 42
          +2
          You are wrong, IMHO.
          No chance. At one time there was a big noise about the debts of the USSR (y).
          Some were written off. Some were reduced (and they were given in barter). And a part was assigned for%. And all - the question was completely closed. So what?
          Moreover, corporations have a common practice - to withdraw - to withdraw money through someone else - and then go bankrupt and cover their tracks. How many of these 20 billion settled in the right places - only the owners know.
          Give away? Russia? "belonging to Russia"? is pure idealism.
      2. Observer2014 Offline Observer2014
        Observer2014 26 October 2019 22: 09
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        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        Not for the first, not the last time we are writing off .... They will not give away anyway ... and so a good mine and good weather for private PMC oligarchs ....
        And we still have a lot of pensioners ...

        Do you have a lot of things? Senior citizens. There is a problem to work on, I look. And mountain horned animals have nothing to do with it.
  2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 October 2019 10: 18
    +4
    Not to moan over your own, supposedly “poverty” and “backwardness,” but to build your truly great future. If, having written off $ 20 billion to Africa and investing much more in its economy, our country will move at least a few steps towards this future, then really, it will be worth it.

    - in your country, everything has been adjusted, nowhere to invest? This is a bright future, according to the author? Who would invest in us once again, and you suggest competing in investment in Africa with China?
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 45
      +1
      It is not necessary to compete with China, it is necessary to adopt its positive experience. And then everyone is crying, here, they say, the Union has collapsed, socialism has died, and the Chinese have everything, and with the Communist Party in power and with socialism ... They do not fall apart anywhere, but take the position of the world's first economy.
      And here 9 out of 10 people on the site whine directly according to Soros textbooks: at first, while the Soros inside the country were falling apart and robbed, they also convinced us that the external image should be improved, published and into the world market, to join the world community, and this was in taking everything everywhere, leaving everywhere and agreeing on everything with those who rule this "world community" ... And then inside it will all go by itself, we will live, with the help of the "world community" ...
      But as soon as Russia really has already gone into this very world community, but already with its own position and with its own interests, the same citizens immediately yelled: "Well, how?, Why?, We have many internal problems, we need to decide them, why go to blacks, Arabs and Latin Americans? ... "
      And then, that great powers do not have only internal problems and only external ones - these are "communicating vessels". And we must do everything at the same time. This was understood in China in time, but it was not understood in the USSR, so he was gone ...
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 25 October 2019 08: 43
        +4
        Quote: Pyshenkov
        and the Chinese get everything, both with the Communist Party in power and with socialism ...

        I haven’t been to China myself, but those who were there say that if you want to see what wild capitalism looks like, go to China. No pensions, do not care about the environment. In the public sector, 30% of GDP (for comparison, in the Russian Federation 70%). This is a very controversial statement that socialism is in China.
  3. DimerVladimer Offline DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer (Dmitry Vladimirovich) 24 October 2019 10: 27
    +5
    This is a powerful impetus to the development of our industry.

    This can be stated only without imagining what and how much China produces for Africa and what it builds there.
    For example, the construction of roads and bridges in Africa, China leads with its own funds and with its employees - local materials only.
    Russia is not competitive in the construction of road infrastructure, railways and bridges.
    In automobile manufacturing, machine tool manufacturing, industrial equipment manufacturing, green energy - China is ahead of the Russian Federation both in price and quality, and in terms of output - Russia is not competitive.

    At the same time, China does not build on debt - it withdraws debts by renting resources.
    And Russia, which forgives debts, looks like a ... poor dancer.
  4. Monster_Fat Offline Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 24 October 2019 10: 37
    +5
    It’s even funny to read: about the "great victories of Russia in the Middle East" and about the "expected preferences" from activities in Africa. To begin with, there are no such victories in Russia in the Middle East. In fact, Russia has been successfully drawn into interethnic squabbles in a region that has no end in sight and will spend its financial and political resources on this snakeskin. The United States, having drawn Russia into this shit, is quietly retiring (this is exactly what they were trying to achieve), or rather, they will stand not far away and watch how Russia devastates its resources there, receiving nothing in return, while the people in Russia itself are , but surely impoverished, robbed by the Kremlin brothers for their world "Wishlist". Now about Africa. What kind of "huge profits" is Russia going to receive from the impoverished continent? The author himself writes that the African countries are poor and mired in debt for many decades, so what kind of "dividends" does Russia want to look for there? The author writes - Russia is going to build nuclear power plants there, is going to arm the blacks and take uranium and some minerals there, and there’s something about the increase in goods turnover (there aren’t enough bananas in Russian stores ...). The joke is that for all this, Africans simply do not have ... money. There is no money at all - they are eternal (for many, many years) debtors of the Chinese, English, French, Dutch and others, and so on, and these countries, unlike the good (or stupid?) Russia, are not going to forgive their debts, but any in Africa, a penny is taken to pay off debt and accumulated interest for late payments. So what will Russia get from bankrupt? It'S Nothing! The only thing she can get is uranium (it seems to me that it is because of him all this "fuss"). But this is a bad luck - all known deposits of uranium are either already being developed by the Chinese, French, British, Dutch, Canadians, Americans and others, or the territories where they can be found have already been bought by cunning Chinese (and not only them) for 50 years. Only those remained where the uranium content is either insignificant or difficult to obtain - that is, waste sites that are of no interest to anyone. Actually, while Russia was "winning in Syria," fighting the Qatari gas pipe, the cunning Chinese bought up all the remaining lands (where the countries of the "golden billion are not digging") in Africa, where more or less significant minerals can be found, along the way, Africa into credit bondage, already to itself. So how is Russia going to work there (in Africa)? It is clear that at their own expense. That is, hoping for a return in the short term from Africa is not worth it. From the word - in general. That's the joke - Russia will have to spend its money there now, and without any returns, and, in general, without any prospects of returning them. Why without prospects? Look at the current situation - "forgiven" 20 billion, like, how would they have no prospects of return and that, so sure, that the prospects for the return of the money invested now will appear in the future? It's not even funny - those who think so look not just from Dostoevsky’s novel, but from this novel, and even squared. If they are so smart, why didn’t they achieve the return of these 20 billion with the same uranium, oil, etc., but at least they took, as the Chinese do, land on a “lease” for 50 years? However, in all this there is one aspect, which, as some experts say, is decisive in this "suddenly activated African fuss of Russia." Namely - banal money laundering. Since Russia is going to build something there, and even at its own expense (or for non-refundable loans), then, given the colossal African corruption component, one can imagine what a wide field will be formed for the theft of money allocated for "this construction" or " mutually beneficial economic activity ". Go check how much money Russia will be buried there - figs "you will find the ends" - can always be attributed to "local conditions", "actions of the rebels", etc.
  5. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
    shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 24 October 2019 11: 24
    +2
    Well, what do you want. Here are some thoughts to think about:

    Putin - 72 years old
    Ivanov - 71
    Shoigu - 69
    Seagull - 73
    Bastrykin - 71
    Zorkin - 81
    Patrushev - 73
    Bortnikov - 73
    Sobyanin - 66
    Chemezov - 72
    Sechin - 66
    Rothenberg - 73
    Kovalchuk - 73
    Timchenko - 72
    Medvedev - 59

    At what age does insanity begin ?! Africa is rich in minerals, but in order for Africa to pay with them, they must be extracted, and in order to extract all this, there must first be established energy and industry. That is, we are building everything again, and then they tell us "thank you, you are free and still owe us for the occupation." Not tired ?! Personally, I'm tired of it. And most Russians who know history are also tired of it. Putin no longer knows what to play. In "Peter the First", apparently, tired. Now I decided to play the mission.
    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 28
      +1
      ... well, let the youth be the presidents ... Heaped up, for example ... here we will heal! Or right after 11th grade and to the Duma. That will be cool! Steeper than the Ukrainians! ... Fun and modern ... So what?
      1. Valentine Offline Valentine
        Valentine (Valentin) 24 October 2019 14: 44
        -1
        And why are they so bad, they will build our common "House 3" from our country, and increase the mess, and the country will blossom with all the colors of the rainbow.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 53
          -1
          ... and what little things - you can immediately invite Zelensky to the Russian throne, he is young, and he knows how to deal with internal problems of the country, gives blacks nothing, everyone should like ... wassat
      2. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 October 2019 16: 45
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        I think it will not be worse.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 18: 32
          -1
          In this case, of the four words that you wrote, the first is definitely superfluous ...
      3. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 29
        +4
        And in the Duma now who, athletes and artists with intelligence and knowledge at the level of 3rd class. Smart people should lead the country, not bandits and thieves. And if Putin is smart, then why is he doing stupid things? And if Putin is smart, then why was a thieving, dumb scum gathered around him?
  6. Valentine Offline Valentine
    Valentine (Valentin) 24 October 2019 12: 07
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    And why are we crying and fighting in hysterics for what we have already lost a long time ago? As they say, they have forgiven them that favor, well, and their mother has been crushing it, but African markets have staked out, albeit not all, this is still a long way off, but still, look at America, they shamelessly unleash bloody wars for these very markets their goods and products, so it's better this way than nothing. Remember how African aborigines, not having time to jump off the palm trees, immediately grabbed our "Kalash", blizzard there each other, so that the sale of our military equipment to Africans is a big plus for our country, but in whose pockets all this "fat will go. "is another matter. Yes, also remember how those of our authorities "fanned the fire of the world revolution" around the world, and on the African continent in particular, and now it is called a "color revolution", and weapons are always needed, be it a revolution or a coup d'etat, that's who as you like ... And the people .... that the people will survive, as always, who you will not go to - everyone has clogged refrigerators, there is no aisle from cars, everyone has only expensive iPhones, so we are interrupted from bread to vodka.
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    2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 25
      -1
      One of the small real adequate comments. And then they already zadolbali all with this snot. And the article is correct. Everyone here is crying for some billions that no one would ever give to anyone anyway. So even though you can actually get something from this gesture, in the end, more "primitive" peoples, in contrast to the "highly developed" ones, still know how to appreciate such gestures and human relations, and in these places business works exclusively on relationships.
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      2. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 32
        +2
        - Tell me, Serge, would you like to be like our president?
        “Well, I would.” Why are you asking?
        “Well, if you would like, then you have the opportunity to prove it.” Forget about my debt of 20 and lend me another ten.

        1. Russia has written off debts to African countries for more than $ 20 billion.
        2.

        To restore the indexation of pensions for working pensioners in 2020, we will need 368 billion rubles. This is a lot of money, and we don’t have that kind of money right now.

        - said the head of the Pension Fund.
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 09: 05
          -1
          ... not tired of chewing snot about these pensions? Well, go get these millions in Africa and give them to pensioners, you are our smart. Have you heard somewhere that someone offered to return them, but Putin took, but refused?
      3. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 40
        -1
        At least one example when primitive peoples appreciated the generosity of Russia / USSR.
    3. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
      shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 44
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      What do you mean "staked out the markets" ?! It is necessary to satisfy PAYABLE demand, and not to engage in charity work in a circle. And where did you get the idea that the people have full refrigerators, courtyards filled with foreign cars, and expensive smartphones in their pockets, thanks to Putin's policy ?! Rather, in spite of and thanks to the huge shadow sector, which provides employment and saves the country's economy, and personally Putin from the revolution.
  7. Roarv Offline Roarv
    Roarv (Robert) 24 October 2019 14: 16
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    A citizen of the country is not forgiven debts for housing and communal services, the tariffs for housing and communal services are being raised, but here they are forgiven to African countries, this is called "mastered together" the money - taxes of Russian citizens, and the citizens are told that there is no money for indexation of pensions ...
    1. 123 Offline 123
      123 (123) 24 October 2019 17: 50
      +1
      Debt for housing and communal services is not forgiven to a citizen of the country

      And why should you forgive them? Do not save debts, the amounts are not prohibitive. Why alone should pay, and forgive you?

      forgiven "African countries, it is called" together mastered "the money - taxes of Russian citizens.

      Do you understand what you are carrying? They handed out during the USSR, but now, then, have they mastered it? And not Russia, but the USSR.
      1. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 33
        +2
        And why now of modern Russia to continue this vicious stupid practice of the USSR ?!
        1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 09: 47
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          But because Russia, apparently, also wants to become a superpower, which was the USSR. She has no other way of existence - or fall into pieces - small and helpless acne on the map, such as the former Yugoslavia, or remain a superpower.
          Judging by your comments, you haven't lived in a superpower at a conscious age, and you don't know what it is. There is such a thing called geopolitics, but those who formed their worldview amid the crap of the 90s, this is already incomprehensible. You don’t realize that pensions, smartphones, and the filling of the refrigerator in your country depend on this. The USSR, yes, made mistakes, and this must be taken into account, and not repeated. But the USSR ceased to exist when it was "led" to exactly all this - it was politically "rebuilt", "opened to the West", stopped claiming its share of the world, left everywhere, surrendered its positions, withdrew troops, sold weapons cheaply or cut them into scrap metal, betrayed allies ... What happened next - you know? Not enough for you?
          You better remember this "stupid and vicious practice" when it comes to purchasing US government bonds - this is money in debt to the fierce enemy of Russia, but not even in debt, it's just a gift, because all American debts by all countries have already been forgiven and written off in advance , this is a deliberate non-return weighing trillions of dollars, and everyone knows this, but they continue to play this game. Here it is better to ask Ms. Nabiullina, for example, why is real money, which, yes, can be given to the same pensioners, and spent on other necessary things, is donated to the United States? ...
          And this is also to the question you raised about Putin's entourage. In many ways a bad environment, here you are right. But Putin is really smart. And that's why this environment is there. Not because it is good, but because he had already come to power in the country, when all this had already appeared and "ruled" there. And Putin, unlike most of those who criticize him for this, understands that simply taking and breaking it is definitely worse than trying to change the system gradually, and this is what he does. Yes, slowly, but it does. And it turns out. For the Chinese, a similar change took about 35 years, but where is China now? From a rather backward socialist country - the first economy in the world.
          And what happens when it's fast, you can look at the example of 1917 or 1991. So you want? Change, revolution - sounds beautiful, but do not forget that all revolutions occur on the promises of a better life, but the fruits of revolutions are enjoyed only by the leaders and, at best, only the grandchildren of those who made them. And this is usually "forgotten" to tell the revolutionaries ...
          So, think about the very "rake" that you write about in the next comment ... Is there any point in running on them again ...
          1. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
            shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 10: 29
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            Well, yes, the West betrayed its allies. This, of course, is very bad ... and in Russia the governments and presidents of their own people betray and rob from year to year, from century to century, regardless of the socio-political system. This is better?! And here "opened to the West - not open" ?! How much can you cover up your own incompetence and theft ?! And why again bring the people to 1917? It won't be possible to intimidate with the revolution and Ukraine for a long time. You just need to stop stealing and start behaving decently with your own population, then only the external enemy will really remain and there will be unity in society. But I don’t even see any hints of such changes. And revolutions do not take place on the promise of a better life (that is, you lived well, but you were promised even better, and you, bam !, and went to the barricades), but because the further deterioration of life is worse than death.
            1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 13: 35
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              You just need to stop stealing and begin to behave decently with your own population, then really only the external enemy will remain and there will be unity in society.

              - This is a utopia, which in full in the world has never been anywhere. And it is unlikely to be.

              ... further deterioration of life is worse than death.

              - firstly, this is not a sign of a revolutionary situation, and secondly, even in your opinion it is very subjective: for example, a millionaire is ready to shoot himself if he has lost billions, and for someone an extra thousand dollars is a dream.
              And is life in the Russian Federation MUCH better than it was 20 years ago, or do you also disagree with this? I always compare what is happening not with the desired utopia (because it seems that it’s always bad), but with what happened BEFORE this. Objective reality. And BEFORE this was exactly worse than it was after Putin arrived. And it gets BETTER. It is clear that everyone wants more and faster ... But look around you, look at the situation and countries in the world, and remember what we came to the end of the 90s ... - this is a HUGE difference ...
              1. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
                shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 15: 57
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                And now let's take a closer look at this period from the 90s to today and we will not compare directly with the 90s, but with 2010, 2014. And we will see that there is a sharp drop in living standards and real incomes, unemployment is growing (and not at all due to mystical robotics, but banal due to higher taxes for employers), the retirement age has been raised, medical care has worsened, and so on. So, Putin began to rob people and worsen life.
                1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 18: 18
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                  ... yes, you can watch it like that. That is, with the fact that in 2010 and 2014 it was better than in the 90s, you agree, this is already pleasing. smile
                  And with what follows, everything is also quite explicable. I would even go a little earlier - in 2007 and in 2008, because it starts there - Putin's speech in Munich, and then the war with Georgia. It's just that almost no one, either inside or outside the country, noticed then what happened - Russia again gave a voice, its own. For the West, it was a voice from the grave, since they were completely sure that we were all there. Therefore, they did not immediately take it seriously. And then it began to reach. And so it began - sanctions, accusations, etc. etc. This is called external influences. They also intensified the internal "opposition", which, as many believed, had already done its job and was not needed ... And then the apogee of this whole event was the events of 2013-14 in Ukraine and the return of Crimea. Then Donbass, Syria, and then they again took us seriously, as they once did for the USSR ... BUT ... the grip is not the same, the hegemons relaxed for 30 years and overgrown with their own problems. But, nevertheless, they can still strangle us, they know how, they have the opportunities and, most importantly, they want ... After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West managed to draw Russia into dependence on itself for a huge number of factors. And no matter how whoever swaggers and spreads his wings, the sanctions hurt. It is felt. And against the backdrop of all this, it is still necessary to carry out various reforms, including unpopular ones, such as the pension. It is necessary to restructure production and get off the dollar. And this also hurts ... Putin went for it all, and for the price of his image with the population. And this is a bold move. Yes, unpleasant for people in this particular moment, but necessary.
                  I will not explain the 101st time about pensions, dollars, etc., this is for a separate article or for a conversation by a cup of coffee ... wink And it's all like dental treatment - painful, unpleasant, sometimes expensive, but necessary, but the further you postpone it, the more painful and expensive it will be ... And all this goat bleating about the fact that "they gave 20 billion to blacks, took away from people have pensions, have lowered their standard of living, " etc. - this is all work for Navalny, the soros and the like, they are paid for it, and you, apparently, do not belong to them ... so do not repeat all this nonsense.
                  This is precisely what is being done to slow down the development of Russia and limit its influence in the world, which suddenly began to grow again. And they don't like it, so they try their best, both from the outside and from the inside. And in this regard, we cannot now "lead" to all this shit, that is, in your opinion, to step on the same rake as the USSR ...
                  Have a good weekend... hi

                  PS ... but about Putin and "robbing the people" - think about it yourself, why should he? He has EVERYTHING he wants ... There are others, yes, and we need to deal with them, let me bo, we'll figure it out. But it was and will be always and everywhere ...
                  1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 27 October 2019 13: 39
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                    .... "they gave blacks 20 billion, took pensions from the people, lowered the standard of living," etc. etc. - this is all work for Navalny, Soros and the like.

                    - do you think this is all their job?
                    1. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 14: 48
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                      ... their work to promote these topics as soon as possible. So they are trying ...
                      1. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 October 2019 15: 06
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                        Do you think you should not do this?
                      2. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 15: 57
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                        The question is, in what way and for what purpose. Somehow, these citizens are not outraged by the investment of money in the US Treasuries (bad debts in advance), because this is money that goes to their owners, although the harm from this to Russia is many times greater than from $ 20 billion since the days of the USSR, which is no one to anyone and was not going to return. BUT the emphasis is on the fact that Putin, they say, took and "gave billions to blacks." Although everyone with a head on their shoulders knows that this is not the case.
                        With pensions - yes, this is not the most pleasant decision. But just these people, who love the West so much and everything that it brings, are somehow silent that all these pension reforms with debts have already passed in this West, and now in some countries the second wave is even being considered - before 70 years retirement. But no, here they are adopting purely Soviet slogans ...
                        The purpose of all this is not to achieve something better for the people, but to undermine power. This is criticism for the sake of criticism, without suggesting alternative solutions ...
                      3. Arkharov Offline Arkharov
                        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 October 2019 16: 10
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                        Well, nonsense, of course, another. The most interesting thing is that you yourself noted these topics, I just copied. Those. you yourself understand everything, only for some reason (can you only guess?) translate the arrows. Those. The scoring of the topic itself, in your opinion, is much more dangerous for the country than the topic itself? With this approach, we will achieve a lot, continue in the same spirit ...
                      4. Pishenkov Offline Pishenkov
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 16: 45
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                        ... now something I don’t understand anything at all, what and where I’m transferring ...

                        I personally say that, if you look at it in an allegorical comparison, you can shout at every corner that "... to treat teeth is painful and expensive!" - It's true? Yes. But to what extent is it necessary to voice this topic and who benefits from it? Where is the answer? What, not to treat? ... And there are those who pick up these slogans - "... yes, it hurts! Yes, it's expensive! All doctors are on the soap! ..."
                        Well, let's say dentists were taken and destroyed ... And then what? Will everyone's teeth hurt at once?
                        Here are protests against corruption, raising pensions, giving money to blacks, etc. etc., the result is almost exactly the same ...
                        That is, it’s not for the sake of something, but AGAINST someone, that’s all ...
                        Against whom, we all know ... But only if you remove the doctor, nothing will hurt, and there will be no one to treat.
    2. Oleg Rambover Offline Oleg Rambover
      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 26 October 2019 00: 43
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      Quote: Pyshenkov
      And because Russia, apparently, also wants to become a superpower,

      Russia's superpower is definitely not in Africa.

      Quote: Pyshenkov
      There is such a thing, called geopolitics, but for those who formed their worldview among the crap of the 90s, this is already incomprehensible.

      According to TSB,

      Geopolitics is a reactionary, bourgeois concept that uses the distorted interpretation of physical and economic geography to justify and propagate the aggressive policies of imperialist states.

      Modern RAS also considers geopolitics a pseudoscience.
  8. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 25 October 2019 20: 14
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    And why now of modern Russia to continue this vicious stupid practice of the USSR ?!

    Under the USSR, it was enough for any country to declare - We are building Socialism. fellow And that’s all, free aid flowed like a river.
    Maybe share specific information, which country now everything is given free or who does not pay debts?
  • Artie Offline Artie
    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 24 October 2019 15: 03
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    So, maybe, in fact, our country is making a mistake? What is actually happening: a crazy "attraction of unprecedented generosity" or, after all, cardinal changes in Russia's foreign policy, thoughtful and wise, with the goal of leading it to new, unprecedented heights?

    The second one. But it’s useless to throw beads in front of the prowlers - they still don’t understand.
    1. shpakov.alex Offline shpakov.alex
      shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 36
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      Yeah, the believer ... all the dew of God, or the wise one learns from the mistakes of others, is smart at his own, and (it is impossible to write a word) does not learn anything at all and regularly steps on the same rake. And this is all about modern Russia under the leadership of Putin with the corresponding age-related changes in brain activity.
  • Vladimir Sergienko (Vladimir Sergienko) 28 October 2019 01: 03
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    Quote: shpakov.alex
    Well, what do you want. Here are some thoughts to think about:

    Putin - 72 years old
    Ivanov - 71
    Shoigu - 69
    Seagull - 73
    Bastrykin - 71
    Zorkin - 81
    Patrushev - 73
    Bortnikov - 73
    Sobyanin - 66
    Chemezov - 72
    Sechin - 66
    Rothenberg - 73
    Kovalchuk - 73
    Timchenko - 72
    Medvedev - 59

    At what age does insanity begin ?! Africa is rich in minerals, but in order for Africa to pay with them, they must be extracted, and in order to extract all this, there must first be established energy and industry. That is, we are building everything again, and then they tell us "thank you, you are free and still owe us for the occupation." Not tired ?! Personally, I'm tired of it. And most Russians who know history are also tired of it. Putin no longer knows what to play. In "Peter the Great", apparently, tired. Now I decided to play the mission.

    Man, knowingly false information leads to the conclusion that you are in any way interested in forgery?

    Putin - Born October 7, 1952 (67 years old)
    Ivanov - Born January 31, 1953 (66 years old)
    Shoigu - Born May 21, 1955 (64 years old)
    Seagull - Born May 21, 1951 (68 years old)
    Bastrykin - Born August 27, 1953 (66 years old)

    Explain?