Africa for 20 billion dollars - a good deal for Russia!

International economic The Russia-Africa forum, which is now taking place in Sochi, is without a doubt an event that has not only a global geopolitical scale, but also truly historical significance. But it just so happened that so far the highlight of the event has been the statement by Russian President Vladimir Putin about the $ 20 billion debt "forgiven" by Africa to African countries. The first indignant exclamations are already heard: “Well, what is this being done! We would forgive someone! We don’t have enough ... ”And so on and so forth.




So, maybe, in fact, our country is making a mistake? What really happens: crazy “attraction of unprecedented generosity” or, after all, cardinal changes in the external policy Russia, thoughtful and wise, with the goal of leading it to new, unprecedented heights?

What are we losing?


It is not surprising that the first in the history of our country large-scale forum with the participation of senior representatives of the Black continent took place exactly after the stunning political victories of Russia in the Middle East. And, accordingly, after the crushing failure that the United States finally suffered in this region. The “unipolar world,” cherished by Washington, does not just burst at the seams. It collapses, spreads in front of our eyes, like a rotten gunny. What can our planet expect as a result? There are actually two options: either chaos, widespread "confusion and reeling", fraught with many local conflicts and wars, economic and political crises, or ... The establishment of some completely new world architecture, a system of relationships and "rules of the game." This is exactly what Russia is working on now. The most powerful summit, which opens a new page in promoting our interests in the geopolitical arena, is a logical and necessary continuation of the successes that preceded it. By showing the world that wars are now ending and being prevented not in the New York hall of the UN, but in the Moscow Kremlin, having strengthened its own positions in the Middle East, Russia is simply developing a successful offensive. Why Africa? Yes, if only because diamonds, uranium, gold, oil! And a population of a billion souls, that is, a potentially huge market.

I want to note: the Russians never came to Africa as colonialists or slave traders. Exclusively in order to teach, heal, build, help. Local conflicts of the times of the USSR? Military advisers? Yes, all this was. However, with what the representatives of the "civilized world" have been doing for centuries on the Black Continent, this does not come close to any comparison. We just helped the Africans to throw off the yoke put on them by “enlightened civilizers”, to break the shackles. Alas, no one has yet managed to rid the huge and richest continent in its natural wealth and potential from diseases, strife, poverty. All attempts made ostensibly in this direction by the “world community”, which, in fact, were an attempt at a new colonization, only with the use of credit bondage, eventually resulted in nothing. Africa is mired in new debts, but neither peace nor wealth has been added to it. And now Russia for the whole world declares its noble gesture - the liberation of the countries there from at least part of the credit burden hanging on their economies. However, we will be frank - in this case we are dealing not only with a beautiful gesture, but also with a very pragmatic act. The loans in question, for the most part, were issued by the Soviet Union, and they were taken by various "people's leaders", of which the vast majority have not even been remembered for a long time. In many African countries, power has since changed ten times, if not more. In fact, Vladimir Vladimirovich forgives “virtual” debts that are impossible to receive.

What do we get?


But it’s more than realistic to talk about the considerable profits and benefits that our country can get by sharply intensifying cooperation with African countries. Moreover, cooperation, conducted naturally from the perspective of a senior partner. An intergovernmental agreement already signed within the framework of the Rosatom forum with Ethiopia in the field of the peaceful uses of atomic energy, implying not only our country's leading participation in the creation of a “nuclear infrastructure” in the energy field, but also the founding of the Russian-Ethiopian Center for Nuclear Science and of technologies - here is the result. Similar plans for Namibia, the largest uranium producer in the world, whose president, Hage Gottfried Geingob, formally asked Vladimir Putin to send Russian military advisers to the country is another step in the same direction. Nuclear energy, so that they would not try to repeat the obsession with the “green” adherents of the Tunberg sect, is the future of mankind. Key positions in this industry should belong to Russia and only to it! And the main world source of fuel for nuclear power plants is Africa. Well, let alone the planned, according to our president, doubling of Russia's trade with African countries against the current $ 20 billion, we can’t talk about it. And doubling should be just the beginning. In this respect, we are now twice behind the United States in this aspect, and eight times behind China! The main point in this case is that Russia does not export raw materials and energy resources to the Black Continent. This is a powerful impetus to the development of our industry.

Weapons ... And where without him ?! And in this regard, Africa is a market that opens up fantastic prospects for our country. According to Dmitry Shugaev, who heads the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, already now supplies to it account for 30-40% of all domestic arms exports. These are billions of dollars, and not “virtual” ones, but quite real ones. Combat aircraft and helicopters, air defense and anti-tank defense equipment, small arms ... The head of Rosoboronexport, Alexander Mikheev, announces "African" contracts for $ 4 billion, which will be executed by Russian gunsmiths this year alone. The total volume of orders in this area, according to the statements of the same Shugaev, reaches $ 14 billion. But this is far from all. It is not enough to acquire modern military equipment - each such transaction entails the participation of our specialists in the adjustment and adaptation of purchased systems to local conditions, their maintenance and the inevitable subsequent modernization, staff training and much more. All together, this is called the inclusion of the country in the orbit of the Russian military-industrial complex. Such things are worth a lot, and not only in the literal sense. Today, Russia occupies an increasingly strong position as the “chief military adviser” and partner of Africa, and they need to be strengthened as much as possible, which, however, is being done. While the president of the Republic of South Africa is conducting social talks in Sochi with Vladimir Vladimirovich, the White Swans of the Russian Aerospace Forces are already landing on the airfield of this country. I wonder what will be the scale of the hysteria about the appearance of our strategic nuclear bombers in the country of the British Commonwealth?

The way of Russia: there is no other choice


Before conducting dubious conversations like: “Who would forgive us ...”, we need to ask only one question: in which country do we want to live? What country do we want to pass on to our children and grandchildren? What does it mean, “who would we be” ?! Forgive the poor, weak and miserable! Is Russia poor? Weak? Yes, no one “bounced” our debts to us, because they themselves paid off. You need to clearly understand - do we dream of being citizens of a state deciding the fate of the world, or are we ready to be satisfied with the relatively well-fed vegetation in the margins, paid for by the collapse of our future? Striving for greatness? To respect in the world, to ensure that no one dares to enter our borders with weapons, but does not dare to tell us how to live? So for this, do not blame me, you have to pay. Pay today, working for the future, building alliances and gaining strong and reliable ties, laying the foundation for future prosperity and security. No other way. Just one specific example: after China, pissed by sanctions, threatened to leave the United States without the rare earth metals needed in today's military industry, the Pentagon rushed to look for them ... What do you think, where? Yes, in Africa! Rushed to Malawi, to Burundi, somewhere else. Otherwise, a shish with oil instead of missile guidance systems, the most important missile defense components and satellites with combat lasers. Will we give the Americans the opportunity to create new weapons against us or will we turn things around so that they fly on brooms instead of fifth-generation fighters?

We should not forget about one more thing. Yes, now the United States is losing the status of a “world hegemon.” Most likely, their days in the halo of the "only superpower" on Earth are already numbered. However, who said that someone else would not want to take this position? The Chinese comrades, no doubt, the guys are much prettier than the star-striped “cowboys,” but what if they themselves begin to equip the world by their own understanding? Is Russia worthy of becoming the "younger brothers" of the Middle Kingdom? It is in order to prevent this from happening, that we are considered as equals (minimum), and today we need to carry out an active foreign policy expansion. The return to Africa, the geopolitical positions that we lost, like many other things, after the collapse of the USSR, are a successful move in this direction. Debts? And the dog is with them, with debts. The same China practices such a "write-off" regularly. After that, all over the world, either its military bases or enterprises with unprecedented preferences and privileges appear. Just that experience, which is even worth adopting. To strengthen its economic and geopolitical positions, Beijing is investing huge amounts of money in various countries. In 2018 alone, according to the UN, Chinese comrades invested $ 130 billion worldwide. Russia can not compete with them? Yes, you might think ... Just sometime you have to start. Not to moan over your own, supposedly “poverty” and “backwardness,” but to build your truly great future.

If, having written off $ 20 billion to Africa and investing much more in its economy, our country will move at least a few steps towards this future, but really, it will be worth it.
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  1. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 October 2019 09: 28
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    The headline, of course, is complete nonsense. In the style of the author. But in the sense of Afrikash, the USSR had a wealth of experience. Interestingly, his debts have already finished forgiving everyone, and is this new, Russian?
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 October 2019 10: 20
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      Not for the first, not the last time we are writing off .... They will not give away anyway ... and so a good mine and good weather for private PMC oligarchs ....
      And we still have a lot of pensioners ...
      1. Nikolaevich I Offline
        Nikolaevich I (Vladimir) 25 October 2019 09: 26
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        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        Not for the first, not the last time we are writing off .... They will not give away anyway ... and so it’s a good mine and good weather for ...

        Only one thing is right: the Putin regime is not writing off debts for the first or last time! Writes off the money that "earned" not him! And don’t need to ... rejoice that these debts will not be returned to us anyway! We really probably won’t get it ... but our children and grandchildren finally have a chance! The world is changing ... and it happens that the poorest countries begin to grow rich. And then a situation arises when countries recall their image, the image of the state-va ... begin to take care of it ... And the image of an “honest, correct” state requires paying its debts! Moreover, there are international courts where you can file lawsuits ... A state that wants to trade, to cooperate with the "club of highly developed countries" will be forced to comply with the "rules of the game"! Let Russia not receive money in 20 years, may not receive in 50 years! But he can get it in 80 years ... 100 years .. It can (!) ... let it "someday", but it can! Having written off the debts now, the Putin regime "forever" robs the country, future generations of Russians, of funds belonging to Russia, but not to the Putin regime!
        1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
          Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 October 2019 09: 42
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          You are wrong, IMHO.
          No chance. At one time there was a big noise about the debts of the USSR (y).
          Some were written off. Some were reduced (and they were given in barter). And a part was assigned for%. And all - the question was completely closed. So what?
          Moreover, corporations have a common practice - to withdraw - to withdraw money through someone else - and then go bankrupt and cover their tracks. How many of these 20 billion settled in the right places - only the owners know.
          Give away? Russia? "owned by Russia"? - this is the idealism of pure water.
      2. Observer2014 Offline
        Observer2014 26 October 2019 22: 09
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        Quote: Sergey Latyshev
        Not for the first, not the last time we are writing off .... They will not give away anyway ... and so a good mine and good weather for private PMC oligarchs ....
        And we still have a lot of pensioners ...

        Do you have a lot of things? Senior citizens. There is a problem to work on, I look. And mountain horned animals have nothing to do with it.
  2. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 October 2019 10: 18
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    Not to moan over your own, supposedly “poverty” and “backwardness,” but to build your truly great future. If, having written off $ 20 billion to Africa and investing much more in its economy, our country will move at least a few steps towards this future, then really, it will be worth it.

    - in your country, everything has been adjusted, nowhere to invest? This is a bright future, according to the author? Who would invest in us once again, and you suggest competing in investment in Africa with China?
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 45
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      It is not necessary to compete with China, it is necessary to adopt its positive experience. And then everyone is crying, here, they say, the Union has collapsed, socialism has died, and the Chinese have everything, and with the Communist Party in power and with socialism ... They do not fall apart anywhere, but take the position of the world's first economy.
      And here 9 out of 10 people on the site whine right according to the textbooks of Soros: first, while the pigs inside the country were falling apart and robbing, they convinced us that the external image needed to be improved, to go out into the world market, to merge into the world community, and that was in everything to be handed over everywhere, to go from everywhere and agree on everything with those who steers this "world community" ... And inside it then everything will go by itself, we will heal, with the help of the "world community" ...
      But as soon as Russia really went to this very world community, but already with its position and with its interests, then immediately the same citizens shouted: "Well then, why ?, we have a lot of internal problems, we must they decide, why go to blacks, Arabs and Latinos? ... "
      And then, that the great powers do not have only internal problems and only external ones - these are “communicating vessels”. And everyone needs to be engaged at the same time. This was understood in time in China, but did not understand in the USSR, therefore it did not die ...
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 25 October 2019 08: 43
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        Quote: Pyshenkov
        and the Chinese get everything, both with the Communist Party in power and with socialism ...

        I haven’t been to China myself, but those who were there say that if you want to see what wild capitalism looks like, go to China. No pensions, do not care about the environment. In the public sector, 30% of GDP (for comparison, in the Russian Federation 70%). This is a very controversial statement that socialism is in China.
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    DimerVladimer (Dmitry Vladimirovich) 24 October 2019 10: 27
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    This is a powerful impetus to the development of our industry.

    This can be stated only without imagining what and how much China produces for Africa and what it builds there.
    For example, the construction of roads and bridges in Africa, China leads with its own funds and with its employees - local materials only.
    Russia is not competitive in the construction of road infrastructure, railways and bridges.
    In automobile manufacturing, machine tool manufacturing, industrial equipment manufacturing, green energy - China is ahead of the Russian Federation both in price and quality, and in terms of output - Russia is not competitive.

    At the same time, China does not build on debt - it withdraws debts by renting resources.
    And Russia, which forgives debts, looks like a ... poor dancer.
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    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 24 October 2019 10: 37
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    It’s even funny to read: about the “great victories of Russia in the Middle East” and about the “expected preferences” from activities in Africa. To begin with, there are no such victories in Russia in the Middle East. In fact, Russia has been successfully drawn into interethnic squabbles in a region that has no end in sight and will spend its financial and political resources on this snakeskin. The United States, pulling Russia into this shit, quietly retreats (they did exactly that), or rather, they will stand nearby on the sidelines and watch Russia empty its resources there, receiving nothing in return, while the people in Russia itself are slowly but surely impoverished, robbed by the Kremlin fraternity of their world "Wishlist." Now about Africa. What are these “huge profits” that Russia intended to receive from a poor continent? The author himself writes that the countries of Africa are poor and mired in debt for many decades, so what kind of "dividends" does Russia want to look for there? The author writes - Russia is going to build nuclear power plants there, is going to arm the blacks and take uranium and some minerals there, and there’s something about the increase in goods turnover (there aren’t enough bananas in Russian stores ...). The joke is that for all this, Africans simply do not have ... money. There is no money at all - they are eternal (for many, many years) debtors of the Chinese, English, French, Dutch and others, and so on, and these countries, unlike the good (or stupid?) Russia, are not going to forgive their debts, but any in Africa, a penny is taken to pay off debt and accumulated interest for late payments. So what will Russia get from bankrupt? It'S Nothing! The only thing she can get is uranium (it seems to me that it is because of him that all this "fuss"). But this is a bad luck - all known deposits of uranium are either already being developed by the Chinese, French, British, Dutch, Canadians, Americans and others, or the territories where they can be found have already been bought by cunning Chinese (and not only them) for 50 years. Only those remained where the uranium content is either insignificant or difficult to obtain - that is, waste sites that are of no interest to anyone. Actually, as long as Russia "won in Syria", fighting the Qatari gas pipe, cunning Chinese bought up all the remaining land (where the countries of the "golden billion" do not dig) in Africa, where more or less significant minerals can be found, along the way drove even more Africa in credit bondage, already to himself. So how is Russia going to work there (in Africa)? It is clear that at their own expense. That is, hoping for a return in the short term from Africa is not worth it. From the word - in general. That's the joke - Russia will have to spend its money there now, and without any returns, and, in general, without any prospects of returning them. Why without prospects? Yes, look at the current situation - they “forgave” 20 billion, like, how would they be without the prospect of a return, and that they are so sure that the prospect of a return on the money now invested will appear in the future? It's not even funny - those who think so look not just from Dostoevsky’s novel, but from this novel, and even squared. If they are so smart, why didn’t they achieve the return of these 20 billion with the same uranium, oil, etc., and at least have taken, as the Chinese do, land for “rent” for 50 years? However, in all this there is one aspect, which, as some experts say, is decisive in this "suddenly activated African fuss of Russia." Namely - banal money laundering. Since Russia was going to build something there, and even at its own expense (well, or for bad loans), then, given the enormous African corruption component, we can imagine what a wide field will be created for the theft of money allocated for "this construction" or " mutually beneficial economic activity. " Go check how much money Russia will be buried there - figs "you will find the ends" - it can always be attributed to "local conditions", "rebel actions", etc. That is, now you can sweep Russian money into Africa from stash in full for various "projects" and sell weapons again for bad loans, then, after 4 years, when the power may change, those who do not have time to escape for the cordon, they can calmly shrug and say: well, they are burnt out again, well, they have lost tens (or hundreds) of billions - think, this is ... Africa ....
  5. shpakov.alex Offline
    shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 24 October 2019 11: 24
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    Well, what do you want. Here are some thoughts to think about:

    Putin - 72 years old
    Ivanov - 71
    Shoigu - 69
    Seagull - 73
    Bastrykin - 71
    Zorkin - 81
    Patrushev - 73
    Bortnikov - 73
    Sobyanin - 66
    Chemezov - 72
    Sechin - 66
    Rothenberg - 73
    Kovalchuk - 73
    Timchenko - 72
    Medvedev - 59

    At what age does insanity begin ?! Africa is rich in minerals, but in order for Africa to pay them, they must be mined, and in order to get it all, it is necessary to first establish energy and industry. That is, we are building everything again, and then they say to us "thank you, you are free and still owe for the occupation." Not tired? Personally, I'm tired of it. And most Russians who know history are also tired. Putin no longer knows what to play. In "Peter the First," apparently tired. Now I decided to play a mission.
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 28
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      ... well, let the youth be the presidents ... Heaped up, for example ... here we will heal! Or right after 11th grade and to the Duma. That will be cool! Steeper than the Ukrainians! ... Fun and modern ... So what?
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        Valentine (Valentin) 24 October 2019 14: 44
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        And why are they so bad, they will build our common "House 3" from our country, and increase the mess, and the country will blossom with all the colors of the rainbow.
        1. Pishenkov Offline
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 53
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          ... and what little things - you can immediately invite Zelensky to the Russian throne, he is young, and he knows how to deal with internal problems of the country, gives blacks nothing, everyone should like ... wassat
      2. Arkharov Offline
        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 24 October 2019 16: 45
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        I think it will not be worse.
        1. Pishenkov Offline
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 18: 32
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          In this case, of the four words that you wrote, the first is definitely superfluous ...
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        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 29
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        And in the Duma now who, athletes and artists with intelligence and knowledge at the level of 3rd class. Smart people should lead the country, not bandits and thieves. And if Putin is smart, then why is he doing stupid things? And if Putin is smart, then why was a thieving, dumb scum gathered around him?
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    Valentine (Valentin) 24 October 2019 12: 07
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    And why are we crying and fighting in hysteria for what we have long since lost? As they say, they also forgive him that debt, well, his mother should be beaten, but African markets, though not all, are still far away, but still, look at America, they unleash a bloody war for these very markets their goods and products, so it’s better than nothing. Remember how the African natives, not having time to jump from the palm trees, immediately clutched at our Kalash’s, blowing each other there, so the sale of our military equipment to the Africans is a big plus for our country, only whose pockets will go all this "is another matter. Yes, remember how our authorities "fanned the fire of the world revolution" around the world, and on the African continent in particular, and now it is called the "color revolution", and weapons are always needed, be it a revolution or a coup d'etat, this is someone as you like ... And the people .... that the people will survive, as always, whoever you go to - everyone has clogged refrigerators, there are no passages from cars, everyone only has expensive iPhones, and that's how we interrupt from bread to vodka.
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    2. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 14: 25
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      One of the small real adequate comments. And then everyone was already sick of these snot. And the article is correct. Everyone here is crying for certain billions, which anyway no one would ever give to anyone. So at least something can really be obtained from this gesture in the end, more “primitive” peoples, in contrast to the “highly developed” ones, are still able to appreciate such gestures and human attitude, and in these places business works exclusively on relationships.
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      2. shpakov.alex Offline
        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 32
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        - Tell me, Serge, would you like to be like our president?
        “Well, I would.” Why are you asking?
        “Well, if you would like, then you have the opportunity to prove it.” Forget about my debt of 20 and lend me another ten.

        1. Russia has written off debts to African countries for more than $ 20 billion.
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        To restore the indexation of pensions for working pensioners in 2020, we will need 368 billion rubles. This is a lot of money, and we don’t have that kind of money right now.

        - said the head of the Pension Fund.
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 09: 05
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          ... not tired of chewing snot about these pensions? Well, go get these millions in Africa and give them to pensioners, you are our smart. Have you heard somewhere that someone offered to return them, but Putin took, but refused?
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        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 40
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        At least one example when primitive peoples appreciated the generosity of Russia / USSR.
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      shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 44
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      What do you mean "staked out the markets" ?! It is necessary to satisfy PAYABLE demand, and not engage in charity in a circle. And why did you get the idea that the people had refrigerators full, yards laden with foreign cars, and expensive smartphones in their pockets, thanks to Putin’s policies ?! Most likely, contrary to the huge shadow sector, which provides employment and saves the country's economy, and Putin personally from the revolution.
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    Roarv (Robert) 24 October 2019 14: 16
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    They do not forgive the citizen of the country for housing and communal services, Housing and communal services tariffs are lifted up, and then they forgave African countries, they call it "mastered" the money — taxes of Russian citizens, and they say to the citizens — there is no money to index the pension ....
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      123 (123) 24 October 2019 17: 50
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      Debt for housing and communal services is not forgiven to a citizen of the country

      And why should you forgive them? Do not save debts, the amounts are not prohibitive. Why alone should pay, and forgive you?

      forgiven "African countries, this is called" together mastered "money - taxes of Russian citizens.

      Do you understand what you are carrying? They handed out during the USSR, but now, then, have they mastered it? And not Russia, but the USSR.
      1. shpakov.alex Offline
        shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 33
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        And why now of modern Russia to continue this vicious stupid practice of the USSR ?!
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 09: 47
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          But because Russia, apparently, also wants to become a superpower, which was the USSR. She has no other way of existence - or fall into pieces - small and helpless acne on the map, such as the former Yugoslavia, or remain a superpower.
          Judging by your comments, you have not lived in a superpower at a conscious age, and you do not know what it is. There is such a thing, called geopolitics, but for those who formed their worldview among the crap of the 90s, this is already incomprehensible. You don’t get the idea that pensions, smartphones, and filling the refrigerator exactly in your country depend on this. The USSR, yes, made mistakes, and we must take this into account, and do not repeat them. But the Soviet Union ceased to exist when it was “turned” on exactly this — politically “reorganized”, “opened up to the West”, ceased to claim its share of the world, left everywhere, handed over positions, withdrew troops, sold its weapons for cheap or cut into scrap metal, betrayed allies ... What happened next - you know? Not enough for you?
          You’d better remember about “stupid and vicious practice” when it comes to acquiring US government bonds - it is money borrowed from a fierce enemy of Russia, and not even a loan, it’s just a gift, because all American debts by all countries have already been forgiven and written off in advance , This is a deliberate non-return of trillions of dollars, and everyone knows it, but they continue to play this game. Here it is better to ask Ms. Nabiullina, for example, why real money, which yes, can be given to the same retirees and spent on other necessary things, are given to the United States? ...
          And this is also to your question about Putin’s environment. Largely bad environment, here you are right. But Putin is really smart. And therefore this environment is there. Not because it is good, but because he had already come to power in the country, when all this had already appeared there and "steered." And Putin, unlike the majority of those who criticize him for this, understands that just taking it and breaking it is definitely worse than trying to change the system gradually, that’s what he does. Yes, slowly, but it does. And it turns out. The Chinese have taken similar changes for about 35 years, but where is China now? From a rather backward social country - the first economy in the world.
          And what happens when quickly, you can look at the example of 1917 or 1991. So you want? Change, revolution - it sounds beautiful, but do not forget that all revolutions occur on the promises of a better life, but only leaders and, at best, only grandchildren of those who made them use the fruits of revolutions. And these revolutionaries are usually "forgotten" to report ...
          So, think about those same "rakes" that you write about in the next comment ... Does it make sense to run around them again ...
          1. shpakov.alex Offline
            shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 10: 29
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            Well, yes, the West betrayed the allies. This, of course, is very bad ... and in Russia, governments and presidents betray and rob their own people from year to year, from century to century, regardless of the socio-political system. It is better?! And here "opened to the West - did not open" ?! How much can you cover up your own incompetence and theft ?! And why again bring the people to 1917? Long frighten the revolution and Ukraine will not work. You just need to stop stealing and begin to behave decently with your own population, then really only the external enemy will remain and there will be unity in society. But something I don’t even see hints of such changes. And revolutions do not take place on the promise of a better life (that is, you lived well, but you were promised even better, and you, bang !, and went to the barricades), but because further deterioration of life is worse than death.
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              Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 13: 35
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              You just need to stop stealing and begin to behave decently with your own population, then really only the external enemy will remain and there will be unity in society.

              - This is a utopia, which in full in the world has never been anywhere. And it is unlikely to be.

              ... further deterioration of life is worse than death.

              - firstly, this is not a sign of a revolutionary situation, and secondly, even in your opinion it is very subjective: for example, a millionaire is ready to shoot himself if he has lost billions, and for someone an extra thousand dollars is a dream.
              And is life in the Russian Federation MUCH better than it was 20 years ago, or do you also disagree with this? I always compare what is happening not with the desired utopia (because it seems that it’s always bad), but with what happened BEFORE this. Objective reality. And BEFORE this was exactly worse than it was after Putin arrived. And it gets BETTER. It is clear that everyone wants more and faster ... But look around you, look at the situation and countries in the world, and remember what we came to the end of the 90s ... - this is a HUGE difference ...
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                shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 15: 57
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                And now let's take a closer look at this period from the 90s to today and we will not compare directly with the 90s, but with 2010, 2014. And we will see that there is a sharp drop in living standards and real incomes, unemployment is growing (and not at all due to mystical robotics, but banal due to higher taxes for employers), the retirement age has been raised, medical care has worsened, and so on. So, Putin began to rob people and worsen life.
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                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 18: 18
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                  ... yes, you can watch it like that. That is, with the fact that in 2010 and 2014 it was better than in the 90s, you agree, this is already pleasing. smile
                  And with what's next, everything is also quite explainable. I would even go a little earlier - in 2007 and in 2008, because it starts there - Putin’s speech in Munich, and then the war with Georgia. It’s just that almost no one, either inside or outside the country, noticed what happened - Russia again gave a voice, its own. For the West, it was a voice from the grave, as they were completely sure that we were all there. Therefore, they did not take it seriously immediately. And then it began to reach. And it began - sanctions, charges, etc. etc. These are called external factors. They also activated the internal "opposition", which, as many believed, had already done their job and was not needed ... And then the events of 2013-14 in Ukraine and the return of Crimea became the climax of the whole event. Then Donbass, Syria, and here they started to take us seriously again, as they once had for the USSR ... BUT ... the grip is not the same, the hegemons relaxed for 30 years and overgrown with their own problems. But, nevertheless, they still can strangle us, they know how, have the capabilities and, most importantly, they want ... After the collapse of the Union, the West still succeeded in drawing Russia into dependence on itself by a huge number of factors. And no matter how whoever swaggers and spreads his wings, sanctions strike painfully. It is felt. And against the backdrop of all this, it is still necessary to carry out various reforms, including unpopular ones, such as pension ones. It is necessary to restructure production and get off the dollar. And it also hurts ... Putin did it all, and for the price of his image among the population. And this is a bold move. Yes, unpleasant for people at this particular moment, but necessary.
                  I will not explain the 101st time about pensions, dollars, etc., this is for a separate article or for a conversation by a cup of coffee ... wink And it’s all like with a dental treatment - it’s painful, unpleasant, sometimes expensive, but necessary, but the further it is put off, the more painful and expensive it will be ... And all this goat bleating about the fact that “they gave 20 billion to blacks, they took it from people's pension, lowered the standard of living, "etc. etc. - this is all the work for Bulk, suckers and the like, they are paid for it, and you, apparently, do not belong to them ... so do not repeat all this nonsense.
                  This is precisely what is being done to slow down Russia's development and limit its influence in a world that has suddenly started to grow again. And they don’t like them, they try their best, both outside and inside. And in this regard, we can’t "get" on all this shit right now, that is, in your opinion, to step on the same rake as the USSR ...
                  Have a good weekend... hi

                  PS ... but about Putin and "robbing the people" - think for yourself, why would he? He has EVERYTHING that he only wants ... There are others, yes, and we need to deal with them, let’s say, let’s figure it out. But it was and will be always and everywhere ...
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                    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 27 October 2019 13: 39
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                    .... "They gave 20 billion to blacks, took pensions from the people, lowered their standard of living," etc. etc. - this is all work for Bulk, suckers and the like.

                    - do you think this is all their job?
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                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 14: 48
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                      ... their work to promote these topics as soon as possible. So they are trying ...
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                        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 October 2019 15: 06
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                        Do you think you should not do this?
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 15: 57
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                        The question is, in what way and for what purpose. Something these citizens do not resent investing money in the US Treasury (pre-repayable debts), because it is the money that goes to their owners, although the harm from this Russia is many times more than $ 20 billion since the Soviet Union, which no one and anyone not going to return. But the emphasis is on the fact that Putin, they say, took and "gave billions to blacks." Although everyone with a head on their shoulders knows that this is not so.
                        With pensions - yes, this is not the most pleasant decision. But just these people, who love the West so much and everything that it brings, are somehow silent that all these pension reforms with debts have already passed in this West, and now in some countries the second wave is even being considered - before 70 years retirement. But no, here they are adopting purely Soviet slogans ...
                        The purpose of all this is not to achieve something better for the people, but to undermine power. This is criticism for the sake of criticism, without suggesting alternative solutions ...
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                        Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 30 October 2019 16: 10
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                        Well, nonsense, of course, another. The most interesting thing is that you yourself noted these topics, I just copied. Those. you yourself understand everything, only for some reason (can you only guess?) translate the arrows. Those. The scoring of the topic itself, in your opinion, is much more dangerous for the country than the topic itself? With this approach, we will achieve a lot, continue in the same spirit ...
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 16: 45
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                        ... now something I don’t understand anything at all, what and where I’m transferring ...

                        I personally say that, if you look at the allegorical comparison, you can yell at every corner that "... it’s painful and expensive to treat teeth!" - It's true? Yes. But how much scoring for this topic is necessary and to whom does it benefit? The answer is where? What not to treat? ... And there are those who pick up these slogans - "... yes, it hurts! Yes, expensive! All the doctors on the soap! ..."
                        Well, let's say dentists were taken and destroyed ... And then what? Will everyone's teeth hurt at once?
                        Here are protests against corruption, raising pensions, giving money to blacks, etc. etc., the result is almost exactly the same ...
                        That is, it’s not for the sake of something, but AGAINST someone, that’s all ...
                        Against whom, we all know ... But only if you remove the doctor, nothing will hurt, and there will be no one to treat.
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      Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 26 October 2019 00: 43
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      Quote: Pyshenkov
      And because Russia, apparently, also wants to become a superpower,

      Russia's superpower is definitely not in Africa.

      Quote: Pyshenkov
      There is such a thing, called geopolitics, but for those who formed their worldview among the crap of the 90s, this is already incomprehensible.

      According to TSB,

      Geopolitics is a reactionary, bourgeois concept that uses the distorted interpretation of physical and economic geography to justify and propagate the aggressive policies of imperialist states.

      Modern RAS also considers geopolitics a pseudoscience.
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    123 (123) 25 October 2019 20: 14
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    And why now of modern Russia to continue this vicious stupid practice of the USSR ?!

    Under the USSR, it was enough for any country to declare - We are building Socialism. fellow And that’s all, free aid flowed like a river.
    Maybe share specific information, which country now everything is given free or who does not pay debts?
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    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 24 October 2019 15: 03
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    So, maybe, in fact, our country is making a mistake? What is actually happening: a crazy "attraction of unprecedented generosity" or, after all, cardinal changes in Russia's foreign policy, thoughtful and wise, with the goal of leading it to new, unprecedented heights?

    The second one. But it’s useless to throw beads in front of the prowlers - they still don’t understand.
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      shpakov.alex (Alexey Shpakov) 25 October 2019 07: 36
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      Yeah, the believer ... all the dew of God, or the wise one learns from the mistakes of others, is smart at his own, and (it is impossible to write a word) does not learn anything at all and regularly steps on the same rake. And this is all about modern Russia under the leadership of Putin with the corresponding age-related changes in brain activity.
  • Vladimir Sergienko (Vladimir Sergienko) 28 October 2019 01: 03
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    Quote: shpakov.alex
    Well, what do you want. Here are some thoughts to think about:

    Putin - 72 years old
    Ivanov - 71
    Shoigu - 69
    Seagull - 73
    Bastrykin - 71
    Zorkin - 81
    Patrushev - 73
    Bortnikov - 73
    Sobyanin - 66
    Chemezov - 72
    Sechin - 66
    Rothenberg - 73
    Kovalchuk - 73
    Timchenko - 72
    Medvedev - 59

    At what age does insanity begin ?! Africa is rich in minerals, but in order for Africa to pay them, they must be mined, and in order to get it all, it is necessary to first establish energy and industry. That is, we are building everything again, and then they say to us "thank you, you are free and still owe for the occupation." Not tired? Personally, I'm tired of it. And most Russians who know history are also tired. Putin no longer knows what to play. In "Peter the Great", apparently tired. Now I decided to play a mission.

    Man, knowingly false information leads to the conclusion that you are in any way interested in forgery?

    Putin - Born October 7, 1952 (67 years old)
    Ivanov - Born January 31, 1953 (66 years old)
    Shoigu - Born May 21, 1955 (64 years old)
    Seagull - Born May 21, 1951 (68 years old)
    Bastrykin - Born August 27, 1953 (66 years old)

    Explain?