Russia forgave Africa 20 billion dollars

At the Russia-Africa International Economic Forum in Sochi, Vladimir Putin presented the guests of the event with an unexpected and pleasant surprise.




Speaking to the heads of African states, the Russian president announced the cancellation of debt from the countries of the Black Continent in the amount of more than $ 20 billion. The Russian leader added that joint programs were launched with a number of African countries, involving the use of debt funds to finance national projects.

Experts explain that in such a goodwill gesture made by the head of state on behalf of the country, there are two key points - economic and reputational.

The economic moment is due to the fact that debt cancellation in most cases is carried out in exchange for some action on the part of the debtor country. As a rule, this is development assistance: for example, the debtor country agrees to purchase certain products from Russia, thus loading the capacities of Russian enterprises.

As for the reputation moment, by making a gesture of goodwill, Russia gains additional credibility in the international arena.

Thus, the cancellation of debts to African countries, announced today, will contribute to the location of African states to Russia as a whole, and to its various representatives, including companies, in particular.
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  1. Monster_Fat Offline
    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 23 October 2019 17: 31
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    Не нормально. России хоть кто-то, хоть копейку простил, а? Какой российский президент добренький.

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      Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 23 October 2019 19: 01
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      Nyashka president .... No, think for a slight movement of the hands gave niggers 20 billion. Bucks, and Russian pensioners in age raised, and VAT added, probably to compensate for losses ... Russian children on treatment by SMS the people he gathers ... .
      1. 123 Offline
        123 (123) 23 October 2019 22: 44
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        You have an interesting picture. Do not want to pay the loans of the dead, do not enter into an inheritance. Debts are an integral part of the inheritance received. And you only want to "pick raisins from a bun"?
        As for pension savings, the heir can receive the funded part, and the employer paid the insurance part. With what fright to transfer to her heir?
    2. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 23 October 2019 23: 27
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      Это долги не России, а СССР, которые Россия "унаследовала". А СССР и РФ простили всё-таки кое-что, например, национализированную собственность с 1917 по 1922, или кому-то что-то вернули даже после "падения режима"? В Восточной Европе вот возвращали, даже потомкам, а у нас никто даже и не заикается как-то... А как российское общество само себе и своим тогдашним лидерам простило "приватизацию" 90-х? Там сколько было? 20 млрд долл по сравнению с этим мусор вообще... Но тоже никто как-то не трогает "миллиардеров" наших, из ниоткуда появившихся... Простили всё...
      And no one would ever have repaid these African debts anyway, one must face the truth, so this is actually a purely theatrical gesture. But some really positive economic and political sprouts can sprout from it. So the gesture is correct.
      What about American debt? Do you think the States will ever pay for their "securities", which literally everyone has, if they are suddenly asked? And there are also not 20 billion at all. So far no one has ventured to ask for it, but how will it happen, and it will happen someday, what will happen? They’ll say “Chu! - No!” And they will forgive everyone, too, as they are nice, because there are simply no other options ...
      1. Bitter Offline
        Bitter (Gleb) 24 October 2019 08: 59
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        In some regions of Russia, the standard of living can be said to be worse than in some places in Africa, plus a harsh climate. recourse Но это не повод к инвестициям. Никакой экзотики, недостаточно возможностей что либо "стырить", в общем, неинтересно. request There they say to the local helmsman, look for reserves and investments yourself, in foreign countries and within borders. yes
        1. Pishenkov Offline
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 09: 25
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          ... not enough to steal something

          - this is wrong. Just where they live worse than in Africa, there are more than enough of these opportunities. And they use them to the fullest extent, but only some people, because most people there are so poor and live, with all the abundance of resources and opportunities ... But these "some people" just forgive everything for decades already. ..
          I would turn your phrase around a bit: instead of crying about forgiving the bad debts of the already defunct USSR somewhere in Africa, let people in the Russian Federation better look around themselves - oh there is something, where and with whom to take it. And you don’t even have to look somewhere far “above”, as we like, no, it's all the local city and township administration, business owners, etc. - local "kings", in short. There in the Far East there are so many things that all the debts of the “friends” of the USSR for the entire time of its existence seem ridiculous ... They’re also forgiving all this, but for some reason no one is particularly indignant, this seems to be the norm and African debts are of interest to everyone ... belay
          1. Bitter Offline
            Bitter (Gleb) 24 October 2019 09: 43
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            there oh how is what, where and from whom to take.

            Who will give them, people? These are rascals, but these rascals are their own. In any case, for those who are looking from above.

            local "kings", in short.

            They are the authorities, and the authorities have already learned to defend themselves. good
            Remapping zones of influence and ownership on the Russian periphery is not easy. Yes, and no one needs this in the capitals, everything is divided among their own. bully
            This is not Africa. laughing
            1. Pishenkov Offline
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 12: 54
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              ... well, and if we can’t take it from our own people, then there’s nothing to blame for Africa. belay
              1. Bitter Offline
                Bitter (Gleb) 24 October 2019 20: 19
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                It's not entirely in Africa, and the amount on a global scale is ridiculous.
                Africa is far away, and the local leaders, because of the equator, primarily see only the shadow of the country that was once the USSR, so the mentality and mood of that elite are understandable. lol
                Moreover, there are Frenchmen, British, and all sorts of Dutch who have old ties and, of course, “debt receipts”. recourse
                But in principle, the fact is that someone, someone, gave something, something that did not belong to him at all. Hence the negative echo, because it was possible, for sure, and somehow differently, all debts, terms and pennies to be reviewed or rewritten.
                It looked like a bribe, for some future preferences and intentions. repeat
                1. Pishenkov Offline
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 20: 42
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                  That's right, "goodwill bribe." wink Putin understands that this is so necessary there. And he is right.
                  1. Bitter Offline
                    Bitter (Gleb) 25 October 2019 09: 46
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                    The future of Russia in Africa!
                    A very correct decision, you need to invest as much as possible in African infrastructure. Highways, roads, nuclear power plants, a spaceport can also be inexpensively installed. At the same time, Africans should be settled in Siberia; they generally have a kind of overpopulation there, but vice versa in Russia.

                    Putin understands that this is so necessary there.

                    There it is exactly what is needed, now it is exactly the same and further. More gifts and loans, and the higher the amount, the more likely they will not have to be returned.
                    From their own periphery, cool nature reserves can be added, with wild animals (bears) and natives (with balalaikas). Tourism, however.
                    It will sometimes be possible to go there for a picnic or hunting with some African leader, to show forgotten and clogged open spaces. And there you look, and some leader wants to invest, well, he’ll buy himself a couple of villages with natives who do not fit into the market.
                    1. Pishenkov Offline
                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 09: 49
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                      Listen, Gleb, everything written above looks silly to your level ... Maybe you slept badly today? wink
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                        Bitter (Gleb) 25 October 2019 09: 55
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                        Friday, however. laughing drinks
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 24 October 2019 05: 15
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    - But why did they come to explain and cast a shadow on the fence ... -For whom are all these explanations ...
    -Терпелив же русский (российский народ)... -такой публичный шикарный "жест" главы правительства по отношению "родного и братского" негритянского народа в любой западноевропейской стране; американской стране; азиатской стране; да и в самой любой африканской стране вызвал бы стихийные митинги; протестные демонстрации; массовые беспорядки, которые вылились в требования отправить и гаранта, и весь его кабинет в отставку.., если не сказать вообще о прочих "радикальных" народных выступлениях... - А тут, в России... - тишь да гладь.. - Больше просто сказать нечего...
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 09: 34
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      ... a public chic "gesture" of the head of government with respect to the "native and fraternal" Negro people in any Western European country; American country Asian country and in any African country itself it would have called for spontaneous meetings; protest demonstrations; riots that resulted in demands to send both the guarantor and his entire office to resign.

      - Do you have similar examples of similar actions in a similar situation ??? In some "any" West European, American, Asian country ... ???
  3. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 October 2019 10: 16
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    Glory to Putin! Black oligarchs should be satisfied ....
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    Don36 (Don36) 24 October 2019 10: 32
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    Putin continues to distribute Russian money to foreigners, to the detriment of Russia and its indigenous population ... It is time for him to leave Russia forever and live somewhere in Africa, or Kyrgyzstan, which are dearer to him than Russia and its indigenous population!
  5. Pishenkov Offline
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 13: 01
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    To everyone who criticizes Putin for this:
    Есть у кого-то из вас рецепт, как взять у африканских стран, где со времён СССР по пять раз власть и режимы сменились, долги этому самому СССР? Ну хоть кто-то из вас что-то конкретное сказать может?
    They only, they say, “give out to blacks”, “it would be better to give it to the people”, “it would be better to give it to pensioners,” “it is better to give the indigenous population of Russia”, etc. etc.
    Which is better? Is it better that someone gave it to someone? Or was he going to? Go, get 20 billion Soviet dollars in Africa if you are so smart ... The success will be the same as trying to return to someone something that was taken away in the 1917 revolution ... Does that not work for you ???
    Ugh! Chatter one again ..
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 19: 56
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      P.S. ...судя по наличию "минусов" и отсутствию ответов, ответить на это тем, кто минусит, нечего... Вот эти "минусы" тем, кто их ставит, в жизни помогут точно также, как и населению РФ 20 млрд имагинарных долларов, о которых вы тут плачете... hi
      1. Jack clubs Offline
        Jack clubs (Eugene) 24 October 2019 20: 46
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        20 billion is not money, but Russia's trump card. Influence factor. Putin traded it. People ask - what? Have you bought Africa? Show now what has become ours.
        And in general, why do we need Africa, if we do not have Belarus, Ukraine, the Caucasus and Kazakhstan.
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          Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 October 2019 21: 45
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          ... and the 20 billion that were exchanged for something was shown to you? Maybe they gave it to hold?

          ... and Africa just then, so that later there would be Belarus, Ukraine, the Caucasus, and Kazakhstan ... And all the rest ... Thank God that Putin is in power, and not those who have all these snot chews. And then for a long time we would not have had not only the former republics of the USSR, but also our own country in general ...
    2. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 25 October 2019 09: 51
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      ... since the times of the USSR, power and regimes have changed five times.

      And how much more will change? Wow! good
      1. Pishenkov Offline
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 October 2019 09: 56
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        They were replaced there, because the USSR left there. And now it’s necessary to make sure that these mistakes do not happen again ... It’s impossible to be a superpower sitting inside your “sandbox”. But the Russian Federation can exist either as a superpower, or not at all ... So, either we must climb into Africa, America, Asia, or come to terms with the fact that Russia will remain helpless acne on the map, such as from Yugoslavia ...
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          Bitter (Gleb) 27 October 2019 14: 28
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          It's impossible to be a superpower sitting inside your sandbox

          To realize this, it was first necessary to smash the country itself with all its enormous internal infrastructure and market, without thinking twice, to break off international relations.
          How many resources and human destinies and lives did it cost? recourse
          After thirty years of sitting on the stove, dusting his head with ash, suddenly start to build absolutely everything according to the same project, only smaller scales and profits in privatized pockets.
          It seems that the people have been corrupted into grandmas. laughing
          At first they did very, very badly, and now they are doing everything exactly the same as it was, but everyone should be indescribable delight. It is clear that these are now not the past achievements and merits of the Union, this is built by the native Russian most humane capitalists, from scratch. good
          1. Pishenkov Offline
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 30 October 2019 14: 55
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            ... well, to see Russia’s fate is such an imperial one - with an enviable constancy, an empire is built, then it collapses, territories are distributed, everything falls apart, then another strong leader comes in - and let's collect everything that has collapsed, collect it back ... Something like that. .. The historical spiral ...
            And whoever builds and collapses, this is how it goes - both kings, communists, and capitalists were engaged in one or the other ... So, apparently, the matter is in people in power, and not in the social system. In a person, more precisely, in one. If, again, to look at the story, then they usually fell apart in groups, but the construction and gathering together always comes down to one specific character.
            1. Bitter Offline
              Bitter (Gleb) 2 November 2019 02: 49
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              ... enviable constancy ...

              What and whom to envy? Is it for people who, for various reasons, find themselves close to the "centers" for distributing "sweets"?

              After the Second World War, the period of “civilized” and consistent development began everywhere, somewhere faster, somewhere more slowly, but in the basis progressively and positively.

              ... apparently, the matter is in people in power ...

              We’ll leave about the kings. There, to put it mildly, whom God gave, he was in power.
              But then, how can random people fall into power? And even more so, is there something to destroy and even more so to distribute? The system is no longer monarchical; everyone is educated and competent.
              The posts are quite elective.
              Bodies, constitutions, laws, services all sorts for some reason exist there, all chew bread.
              Beaumond considers himself a civilized society.

              Then one incomprehensible leader of the “Alkashi” tribe comes and breaks everything.

              Could it have been possible to make a hero out of him in a timely manner ... posthumously.
              I think that many deaths could have been avoided thanks to this and flowers would have been worn to the monument, right? Borya Alkash and all memory.

              ... is built, then collapses, territories are distributed, everything falls apart ...

              It seems that this is a kind of Africa in the northern hemisphere.
              1. Pishenkov Offline
                Pishenkov (Alexey) 3 November 2019 20: 46
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                ... I think you are a little primitive.
                By the way, the expression "with enviable constancy" in its own sense has nothing to do with envy ... Although the root from which the expression comes is really from the word "envy" ... winked
                1. Bitter Offline
                  Bitter (Gleb) 5 November 2019 10: 16
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                  ... I think you are a little primitive.

                  Maybe, but only slightly. I do not enter the higher circles and no one shares court secrets with me.
                  I watch / read Russian news, as a rule, a day later, often I feel like I’m watching some kind of farce. But how elegantly veiled, you can’t take your eyes off.
                  A song from the Bremen Town Musicians is recalled.

                  Hang your ears together
                  It’s better to clap your hands in a good way!

                  As soon as we open our mouths
                  How everyone cries from happiness
                  And we know in advance -
                  It could not be otherwise!
                  1. Pishenkov Offline
                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 5 November 2019 10: 24
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                    ... I agree about the Russian news. But from this perspective in our time it’s just sickening to look at Westerners ... If earlier we (and everyone) accused the USSR mass media of lies and propaganda, now it’s as if the West and the Union have switched places in this matter, but also succeeded. If in the Russian Federation in many ways they at least try to rely on facts, interpreting them in their favor, then the “partners” now everything is simple according to the principle of Dr. Goebbels -

                    Repeatedly repeated lies sooner or later turn into truth ...
                    1. Bitter Offline
                      Bitter (Gleb) 5 November 2019 20: 45
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                      ... they accused the USSR mass media of lies and propaganda, but now it is as if the West has changed with the Union.

                      But in fact, nothing has changed. laughing Neither in the West nor in the East. request
                      In the West, many ordinary people and not so much, still associate Russia with the USSR, and this is a huge misconception.
                      She, in turn, is trying to play this and she often succeeds.
                      1. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 5 November 2019 20: 57
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                        About the association of the Russian Federation with the USSR is true. But earlier, in the days of this very USSR, the Western media, although they, of course, were also biased, and were engaged in propaganda, but all this really relied on a factual basis. Therefore, we believed them in many ways. And today, this is exactly what the Russian media look like for the West. And that’s why they are trying to block them in every way, jam, prevent them, etc. Just as the USSR used to treat the BBC, the voice of America, Freedom, etc., and about the fact that Russia "plays the USSR" on the outer edge, I’m only for ... and more often it would only it turned out. This, by the way, will benefit the West, as once the very existence of the real Soviet Union, literally forcing the "Westerners" to introduce various social packages in their capitalism ...
                      2. Bitter Offline
                        Bitter (Gleb) 8 November 2019 21: 34
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                        ... on the external circuit, Russia "plays in the USSR" ...

                        - and in the end of the 30s in America (a little exaggerated).

                        ... the very existence of the real Soviet Union, literally forcing the "Westerners" to introduce various social packages in their capitalism ...

                        Alas, it does not converge.
                        Most of the West has already dealt with salaries in envelopes for a long time, and what social packages can today's Russia still offer?
                        Medical insurance? Dates of retirement and pension fund? The number of video cameras at intersections and streets? How? After all, they are not all, but many in the West also trained in terms of social packages.

                        We look a little sideways at Russian capitalism with the USSR facade. It's funny
                        From this angle, Russia looks more and more like a wolf in sheep's clothing. Can you show us on average in the Russian hinterland a particularly high level of social security, protection and guarantees?

                        So why should Africa receive development impulses, and even the "gas" could not be extended to its natives. Of course, I mean not only gas, but also the rest of the infrastructure that is needed locally.
                      3. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 10 November 2019 21: 30
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                        Social packages, as I said, the West forced to introduce the USSR, and not modern Russia. Read carefully before answering, but now you do not agree. smile
                        And about Africa, etc. - this is geopolitics. Sometimes it’s more important to first build a road in Libya or Cuba, and then at home. It happens. Not everyone, however, understands this. And others understand, but play on it, provoking popular discontent.
                      4. Bitter Offline
                        Bitter (Gleb) 11 November 2019 21: 32
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                        ... as once the very existence of the real Soviet Union, literally forcing the "Westerners" to introduce various social packages in their capitalism ...

                        Social packages, as I said, the West forced to introduce the USSR.

                        So who forced someone? request

                        Not everyone, however, understands this.

                        So I don’t understand why it is necessary to pay two or three times a lot for the same thing, then, without thinking twice, throw in the trash of history ... and after a couple of decades again the same rake in the same place?
                        If, having destroyed the USSR in Russia, some positive impulses of development would immediately begin, but there wouldn’t be. They didn’t want to feed anyone, they dispersed the last "beggars" in half with grief, and appointed a holiday of independence.
                        And now? It turns out again the wrong way for a quarter century? recourse
                      5. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 11 November 2019 22: 31
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                        ... once again read carefully what they themselves have highlighted and quoted:

                        ... the existence of a real Soviet Union, literally forcing the "Westerners" to introduce various social packages in their capitalism ...

                        - что же непонятного? К тому же "соцпакеты" - это прерогатива социализма, а не капитализма.
                        And then everything is absolutely right, almost ... Not the way we went somewhere from 1987 until about the appearance of Putin, then they began to be determined, and in 2007 they decided. That is, to be precise, it’s not that we went the wrong way, but in general there was no way anywhere. So far, Putin has not shown the way. wink
                        And after the destruction of something (in our case, the USSR), as a rule, “positive impulses” never appear immediately, since the destroyers, those who came to “kick”, just come up. Here they are. Creators can give positive impulses, and at the moment of destruction they just turn out to be losers and fall to the very bottom. And then it takes time for them to either be able to rise again from their knees, or for new creators to replace them ...
                        There have been no such revolutions in world history, after which

                        immediately any positive impulses of development began.

                        Therefore, I personally am against a priori revolutions.
                      6. Bitter Offline
                        Bitter (Gleb) 15 November 2019 22: 29
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                        That is, to be precise, it’s not that they went the wrong way, but in general there was no way anywhere.

                        Just as it was. yes
                        “Americanization” was taking leaps and bounds, or one can even say the colonization of the country. Yes, and now it goes further, only a little slower and not so explicitly.

                        ... before Putin appeared, then they began to make up their minds, and in 2007 they made up their minds.

                        Да ну. А со стороны выглядит зачастую так, что просто отток ресурсов просто индустриализировали и шикарно замаскировали, придав всему "цивилизованный" вид, а масштабы "экспорта" всего выросли в разы.
                        Well and, of course, involuntarily, you have to invest in infrastructure in places.
                        But now it will be possible to invest capital in Africa, it will be easier to tyrit there, it is not "East" and "Ko", behind the equator it is not so noticeable.

                        ... then it takes time for them to be able to rise again from their knees ...

                        And why was it to get on them ??? request
                        Who will be responsible for millions of ruined fates and lives, for lost humanitarian and other resources? These individuals, both during life and after it, orders, prizes, monuments, centers and complete inviolability are guaranteed.
                        Something is not so right here. no
                        The whole country with millions of people and there were no leaders, something is hard to believe.
                        It seems more like that all those who were objectionable at one time were somehow removed and the people went to the polls “until you vote correctly” (c).
                        Until now, the same "chosen" faces and "teams" loom on the horizons.
                        And they are for now ...

                        So far, Putin has not shown the way.

                        Did not know what to do? Somehow I can’t believe it again.

                        I am personally against revolutions

                        There will be no revolutions. Crooks, grabbers, swindlers and other vile things, which, along with the new capitalists, sat in the corridors of power and other key places, learned the lessons and will not give up theirs. Never! Special Guard is guaranteed. soldier
                        The crumbs from the master's table, it’s always welcome, and the rest is for export or to Africa.
                      7. Pishenkov Offline
                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 14: 44
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                        There will be no revolutions. Crooks, grabbers, swindlers and other vile things, which, along with the new capitalists, sat in the corridors of power and other key places, learned the lessons and will not give up theirs. Never! Special Guard is guaranteed.

                        - Well, you know, I was also 100% sure that nothing like this could happen in the USSR — but it happened. And there were also leaders, and law enforcement agencies, etc. Did not help. God forbid, we can do without repetition.
                        I will not comment on the rest, as I simply disagree, and we are unlikely to convince each other. The only thing that is correct enough is about Americanization, etc., only it wasn’t our path and we didn’t follow them - we were led along it like cattle for slaughter, we just realized it in time, it came to someone that " meat "in this case will drag everyone without exception ...
                      8. Bitter Offline
                        Bitter (Gleb) 18 November 2019 22: 55
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                        just caught on time

                        Lately they caught on, the positions were surrendered and the reputation of "bye-bye". It is clearly seen in the "relations" with Ukraine.
                        So far, only “buy-sell” is not so simple - sanctions, and the rest is already much more complicated, more expensive and longer.
                        And the sediment from the "perestroika-re-drinking" in the image of the spirit of Boris Nikolayevich and the "debt" pieces of paper he signed will be invisibly present for a long time in any arena.
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                        Pishenkov (Alexey) 18 November 2019 22: 58
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                        Well, what to do - you will fall into shit, you won’t get out without a stench. This must also be reckoned with. But still it’s better to get out, albeit with a stink, than to drown there at all ...