The draft design of the superheavy Yenisei is ready and already approved


The preliminary design of the future Yenisei superheavy class rocket was approved by the participants of the Scientific and Technical Council on Tuesday, October 22. This information was published on the official site of the RCC "Progress", where, in fact, the event took place.


Recall that the preliminary design of the superheavy class launch vehicle was commissioned by Roskosmos Corporation at the end of March 2018. The contractor is RSC Energia. The amount of the contract, according to public procurement website, amounted to 1,6 billion rubles. The work was to be completed by October 31, 2019.

Participants of the meeting noted that the presented draft media fully ensures the performance of the technical and technical characteristics. In other words, its results confirm the possibility of creating a rocket that meets the requirements specified in the terms of reference.

Earlier, the head of Roskosmos, Dmitry Rogozin, said that the promising Yenisei LV would be built on the principle of a technological designer. That is, each part of it will become a separate product.

The first launch of the domestic superheavy rocket is scheduled for 2028. At the initial stage, the carrier will have to launch more than 70 tons of cargo into low Earth orbit. In the future, the Yenisei is planned to be used in lunar missions.
  • Photos used: https://www.roscosmos.ru
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  1. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 23 October 2019 15: 02
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    It is simply impossible to submit information in this form. stop What impression does the reader have after reading this "masterpiece"? Preliminary design..... recourse It turns out that they drew a picture for 1,6 billion rubles. belay We are looking at the "alternative", in fact, the first article we come across on this topic:

    https://www.popmech.ru/technologies/news-516322-odobren-eskiznyy-proekt-rossiyskoy-lunnoy-rakety/

    Read ... demonstrated:

    development and calculations regarding the design of the launch vehicle, its airborne systems, assembly options and other aspects. So, in the framework of the preliminary design, a comparative analysis of the main options for creating a superheavy class launch vehicle was carried out, its technical appearance and main characteristics were substantiated, the stages and terms of creating the rocket were determined.

    The concept of "draft design" is disclosed here, it is clear that a huge amount of work has been done, and not just a sketch.
    And now they will run in, write in all the details "Rogozin's art workshop, which is cutting the budget around the clock." lol
    1. Ahilles86 Offline Ahilles86
      Ahilles86 (Vasiliy) 23 October 2019 15: 20
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      A set of documents giving an idea of ​​the nodes, operating principles, design features, dimensions and appearance of the product - this is called in two words "preliminary design"... That is, do you think that if the word "borsch" is used in the material, then it is necessary to describe its recipe in detail? So that, God forbid, no one confused it with soup with dumplings? It turns out that you underestimate the readers ...
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 23 October 2019 15: 50
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        That is, do you think that if the word "borsch" is used in the material, then it is necessary to describe its recipe in detail? So that, God forbid, no one confused it with soup with dumplings? It turns out that you underestimate the readers ...

        In no case do I think so, it’s simple - what borsch is, everyone knows, but not everyone knows what a conceptual design is, in everyday life people don’t encounter this and don’t know the details. I do not think people are stupid, just not everyone knows the technical details in specific areas. Try to conduct an experiment, on the street ask the first 10 people that come up with what is a preliminary design. What do you think, how many of them will say that a sketch is a sketch of a drawing?
  2. 123 Offline 123
    123 (123) 23 October 2019 15: 16
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    Here for an example, today an article was published about the high-speed railway:

    https://topcor.ru/11608-novaja-vsm-obojdetsja-rossii-v-trilliony-rublej.html

    There is the first comment "about cutting", and how many more will there be? Citizens journalists, think about what you are doing before publishing. hi
    1. Ahilles86 Offline Ahilles86
      Ahilles86 (Vasiliy) 23 October 2019 15: 32
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      You shouldn't be like that. It is not journalists who are to blame for the fact that people are "skeptical" about domestic developments and innovations.
      1. 123 Offline 123
        123 (123) 23 October 2019 15: 43
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        You shouldn't be like that. It is not journalists who are to blame for the fact that people are "skeptical" about domestic developments and innovations.

        Perhaps, but the publication of information should be approached more seriously. This is my subjective opinion, I do not pretend to the ultimate truth.
  3. mister-red Offline mister-red
    mister-red 23 October 2019 21: 06
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    Maybe the drawing of the Vulcan rocket, which was never built, is already enough, to pass off as the future Yenisei.
    1. Sergey Latyshev Offline Sergey Latyshev
      Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 October 2019 10: 13
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      Tse, probably, also "sketch projects!"
    2. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
      Kristallovich (Ruslan) 24 October 2019 11: 53
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      Do you have a drawing of the Yenisei rocket? Will you show me?
      1. slipped Offline slipped
        slipped 24 October 2019 22: 07
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        yes here it is, from the now coming astronautical congress in Washington

      2. mister-red Offline mister-red
        mister-red 27 October 2019 19: 41
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        I do not have. But probably you do not need to replace one with another.
        1. Kristallovich Offline Kristallovich
          Kristallovich (Ruslan) 28 October 2019 07: 46
          +2
          And no one replaces. "Yenisei" is not yet on paper, but you demand images.
  4. Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 24 October 2019 17: 13
    +1
    Quote: 123
    It is simply impossible to submit information in this form. stop What impression does the reader have after reading this "masterpiece"? Preliminary design..... recourse It turns out that they drew a picture for 1,6 billion rubles. belay We are looking at the "alternative", in fact, the first article we come across on this topic:

    https://www.popmech.ru/technologies/news-516322-odobren-eskiznyy-proekt-rossiyskoy-lunnoy-rakety/

    Read ... demonstrated:

    development and calculations regarding the design of the launch vehicle, its airborne systems, assembly options and other aspects. So, in the framework of the preliminary design, a comparative analysis of the main options for creating a superheavy class launch vehicle was carried out, its technical appearance and main characteristics were substantiated, the stages and terms of creating the rocket were determined.

    The concept of "draft design" is disclosed here, it is clear that a huge amount of work has been done, and not just a sketch.
    And now they will run in, write in all the details "Rogozin's art workshop, which is cutting the budget around the clock." lol

    I’ll tell you a terrible secret when I say that ALWAYS the Terms of Reference (for civilian products) and the Tactical and Technical Requirements (for warriors) are written when the basic characteristics are already well known, they are either tested on mock-ups or reliably calculated. The draft design is the RESULT of the Research Stage of development. In other words, the stage of research is completed. This is not a poster in a color image of something, it is a thick collection of calculations, tables, programs and methods for testing prototypes, and so on.

    To demonstrate the results of the designer, I will say: The mass of the SU-27 fighter is about 16 tons. Exactly the same weight is a set of design and technological documentation in one copy.
    1. v_bueff Offline v_bueff
      v_bueff (Yuri) 25 October 2019 11: 31
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      RV 15-004 2004 did not try to read?
  5. Galar Offline Galar
    Galar (Timur) 24 October 2019 18: 23
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    There is energy, why do we need the Yenisei?
  6. 933454818 Offline 933454818
    933454818 (Ivan Ivanov) 24 October 2019 19: 20
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    They wrote in newspapers back in Soviet times that each launch of a heavy rocket causes either a hurricane or an earthquake. What will happen to Mother Earth after the launch of a superheavy rocket?
  7. Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 25 October 2019 21: 56
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    Quote: v_bueff
    RV 15-004 2004 did not try to read?

    What does this water have to do with it? Read simpler and clearer paper - GOST 2.119.
    There are more specifics and less common, non-binding, words.
  8. Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 25 October 2019 22: 12
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    Quote: Galar
    There is energy, why do we need the Yenisei?

    There is no energy. All important materials have been lost - the production of TECH materials, technical equipment, TE stands, TE control and measuring devices, TE drawings that are outdated and contain a bunch of links to dead materials, documents, methods and test programs. No tech specialists.
    What’s better is to organize the production of transistors, metals, adhesives, sealants, and so on long ago discontinued in the millionth quantity, whereas now there are analogues with much better characteristics. It will be cheaper and better.
    Even if successful, we will have a product that is already obsolete in 2000.
    1. mister-red Offline mister-red
      mister-red 27 October 2019 19: 43
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      The main thing is that there are no hydrogen engines. The rest could be restored.
  9. Vkd dvk Offline Vkd dvk
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 28 October 2019 00: 57
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    Quote: mister-red
    The main thing is that there are no hydrogen engines. The rest could be restored.

    Any action must be preceded by a TASK. What is the task of reanimating old stuff? Get junk by digging in uncounted loot, pushing aside modern mathematics, materials science, programming, the production of modern microcircuits, and other electronics, electrical engineering and more? Do you need to cut the count on your head so that they understand for the hundredth time? Or do you read the above?
    According to the laws adopted in the design community (I have been in this profession for a quarter of a century), that with a significant temporary interruption in production, without conducting tests on the full program, even in production, it is absolutely the same as in the past. And, moreover, with the replacement of materials, technologies, and other specialists.
    And these are years of laborious work.
    Does it ever come to your mind to reanimate the Watt steam train? Not for the museum, but for its intended use.
    Why do you think others are idiots?