Serbs can get Russian Superjet aircraft

October 19, 2019 it became known that Moscow and Belgrade are negotiating "Superjets." We are talking about the purchase (acquisition) by the Serbian state airline Air Serbia of the Russian short-haul narrow-body airliners Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ-100).




This was announced by the first deputy apparatus of the government of Russia Sergey Prikhodko. In addition, according to the official, Serbia may also be interested in the promising Russian medium-range narrow-body airliner MS-21.

As Prikhodko clarified, the topic of supply of Russian aircraft is already "discussed in various formats." For example, Sukhoi Civil Aircraft and Air Serbia are "talking" about the "renewal of the fleet" of the Serbian airline "Superjets". In addition, an after-sales service center, SSJ-100, may appear in Belgrade.

It should be recalled that in August 2019, the last foreign (foreign) airline, the Mexican Interjet, refused the SSJ-100. SSJ-100 sales problems worsened after disaster one of these airliners in May 2019 at the Sheremetyevo Airport (Moscow). Then, as a result of the ignition of the Aeroflot airliner, 41 people died: 40 passengers and 1 crew member.
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  1. Arkharov Offline
    Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 19 October 2019 14: 29
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    Do you want to ruin the little brothers? Okay, the Irish and the Mexicans, but these for what? Have you really solved all the issues with service, logistics, flying, foreign equipment, etc.?
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 October 2019 15: 12
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      Do you want to ruin the little brothers?

      What exactly? Here, rather, it was the other way around, they began to help and are establishing working relationships.
  2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 19 October 2019 15: 08
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    They chose the right side, only we can help and protect them.
  3. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 October 2019 15: 36
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    It is necessary to promote the Tu-204 of the last modification, and not Jet, which is not even 50% Russian, and the car is frankly unsuccessful and everywhere it failed.
    1. 123 Online
      123 (123) 19 October 2019 17: 28
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      The Tu-204 is already outdated and the comparison is incorrect, it is larger than the SSJ-100, instead of the "Carcass" the MS-21 is being made.

      ... the car is frankly unsuccessful and everywhere it failed.

      Compared to the Boeing 737, the Sukhoi is an almost perfect airplane. At least they don’t sue because of his downtime.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 October 2019 20: 55
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        They do it, but when they’ll do it, it’s not clear whether they will do it at all ... They didn’t do a superjet, they will have to write off the manufactured cars, they all refuse them, and there’s no point in building new ones ... As for the Tu-204, its last the model is quite modern, it has new engines and is much more reliable than the French junk standing on the Jet.
        1. 123 Online
          123 (123) 19 October 2019 21: 47
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          They do it, but when they’ll do it, it’s unclear whether they will do it at all ... They didn’t do a superjet, they will have to write off the manufactured cars for scrap, they all refuse them, and it makes no sense to build new ones ...

          What does it mean - will they do it at all? Already done, flies, is being tested, its engine, by the way, is also.
          And where did you get that Superjet from scrap? Boeing does not send its trash for remelting. Producing a "Superjet" is still worth it, the "engine" will be completed instead of the French "poop" and a normal plane will work out. Besides him, the problem is mainly with the organization of services. It is necessary to establish service, and not to close the plant.

          As for the Tu-204, its latest model is quite modern, it has new engines and is much more reliable than the French junk standing on the Jet.

          You are partly right, the engine and the truth are guano.
          Tu-204 and "Superjet" - aircraft of different classes and their engines are different. PD-90 from the "Carcass" is not suitable.
          The TU-204 aircraft is not bad, the same applies to the PD-90 engine, but they can no longer compete with foreign analogues, which is why they made the MS-21 and the new PD-14 engine. The new engine has lower fuel consumption by 15%, they plan to reduce another 5%

          http://mc-21.wikidot.com/news:478
          1. Sapsan136 Offline
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 19 October 2019 22: 45
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            Superjet also flew ... Look, how many experimental, experimental developments have not gone into series and not only in Russia, but all over the world ... Who will buy Superjet, maybe you ?! PD-14 is an attempt to put 1 motor instead of 2 on machines such as IL-96 ... but you can’t put a motor on the Superjet and the motor, the nacelle is too low and this can’t be fixed ... Actually, Jet completely failed, from everyone refuses it, and this is a fact.
            1. 123 Online
              123 (123) 19 October 2019 23: 53
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              Who will buy Superjet, maybe you ?!

              I will not, I can not afford. don’t worry buy.

              See how many experimental, experimental developments have not gone into the series, and not only in Russia, but around the world ..

              Do you think that the MS-21 will not go into the series? Is there at least one argument in support of this version? Or are you just a pessimist?

              PD-14 is an attempt to put 1 motor instead of 2 on machines like the IL-96.

              Stupidity is utter. PD-14 and PD-90 in terms of traction dimensions are almost twins. They are distinguished by fuel efficiency and a more advanced design. In order to put on the IL 2 engines instead of four of them is not enough, for IL do PD-35, it will be larger and more powerful.

              but it’s impossible to put a normal engine and a Superjet on it, there the nacelle is too low and this cannot be fixed ...

              PD-14 can not be supplied, but this is not required, its power is excessive and the dimensions are larger, PD-10 is made for it. What does motorogandol mean low and cannot be fixed? Why fix it? Now how does he fly? Compare with competitors:

              Airbus

              Bombardier

              Do they also have a motogandola in the wrong place? They do not need to fix?

              In general, Jet completely failed, everyone abandons him, and this is a fact

              Everyone has setbacks, you don’t say that about the Boeing 737, and the situation there is much worse.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 October 2019 08: 33
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                Yes, they don’t buy a Jet, they haven’t even grown up with Mexico ... Everyone who leased it refused it ... As for the MC-21, only one thing can be said so far - This is a new plane that already had problems due to sanctions ... What will come of it in the end and whether it will turn out at all, so far the big question ... Testing so far, to put it mildly, not too successfully ... Sorry, according to IL-96, we are talking about PD-35 ... And you read reviews about how Jet flies because of its low-lying engines ... You constantly have to intensively and often do the cleaning of GDP, and this is an additional cost and all the same but there is something somewhere lying around, falling off from any equipment (any trifle, screws, etc.), all this draws into Jet engines ... There are no such problems with the Tu-204 ... Say, is it old? Not older than the Tu-114, whose production is now being resumed ... Considering how long the B-747 has served ... the Tu-204 is still very young ... I never called on the Russian Federation to buy Western aircraft, especially regional ones ... always Against this...
                1. 123 Online
                  123 (123) 20 October 2019 12: 28
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                  Yes, they don’t buy a Jet, they haven’t even grown up with Mexico ... Everyone who leased him refused it ..

                  I get the impression that you do not read what I wrote. I’m saying that there are problems with Sukhoi, in which they are also written. This is the first such post-Soviet project, not everything worked out. The situation is not hopeless, it is only necessary to establish service and replace imported components with your own. Until the service was established, they could be sold to Iran, but the "partners" prohibit the sale of imported components.

                  As for the MS-21, so far only one thing can be said - This is a new aircraft, which has already had problems due to sanctions ...

                  Problems - is it a composite for wings? This is only a delay and an incentive for the development of its production.

                  What will come out of it in the end and whether it will turn out at all, while the big question ...

                  Already happened, it flies, the third side will be tested with PD-14.

                  Tests are underway, to put it mildly, not too successfully ...

                  Do you mean the case of unreleased chassis? They’ll finish it, that's why they are tested. Remember the Boeing’s flying out door?
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 October 2019 14: 38
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                    So why do people like you today produce a useless plane, especially since already built cars have nowhere to go, they rot, standing idle on the ground ?! I wrote to you that I never called for the purchase of foreign aircraft in the Russian Federation and if the same ATR-72 is structurally dangerous for flights in the Russian climate, this is not a reason to make a copy of it at the Russian factories, and you justify Jet’s design flaws by saying that they are the B-737 ... Both that and the other dull .... The Concorde died due to a defective chassis .. the Tu-144 didn’t have such problems, although there were others ... the MS-21 can be brought for many more years and the Tu-204SM is an excellent machine that can be built, used on domestic airlines in the Russian Federation and sold abroad, to the same Iran, now, with why he has no Jet problems ... Jet is not competitive, where the Tu-204 flew and fly, the Jets are idle ...
                    1. 123 Online
                      123 (123) 20 October 2019 15: 14
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                      So why do people like you today produce a useless plane, especially since already built cars have nowhere to go, they rot, standing idle on the ground ?!

                      This is because people like you have not adjusted the service. Once released, then they are bought.

                      I wrote to you that I never called for the purchase of foreign aircraft in the Russian Federation.

                      I highly recommend rereading my comments. I have never accused you of buying strange planes.

                      ... and if the same ATR-72 is structurally dangerous for flights in the climate of the Russian Federation, this is not a reason to make a copy of it at the factories of the Russian Federation.

                      What does the ATR-72 have to do with it and why is it dangerous? Who releases its copy and what is it called?

                      and you justify the design flaws of Jet by the fact that B-737 have them ..

                      What are the design flaws of the Superjet, please? I repeat the third time, its shortcomings in low-quality imported components (engine) and after-sales service. What does this have to do with aircraft design?
                      I do not justify the design flaws of the Superjet, but only say that the problems are not only ours. Truth is known by comparison. And so the picture is that all over the world everything is perfect and only our “hand-assed” aircraft manufacturers can do nothing.
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 October 2019 15: 51
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                        They do not buy them, and this is a fact, even Mexico refused ... The producer should establish the service, not me ... You really ...., or troll ?! I just said that an unsuccessful western plane is no reason to build the same, or worse in the Russian Federation, your references to the jambs of the B-737, with which you are trying to justify the stupid decisions in the Jet design ... As for the ATR-72, there’s an engineering a miscalculation in the wing structure, due to which the aircraft has an increased tendency to icing, due to which there have been a number of accidents ... On Jet there are frankly bad engines, with low resource and they are unsuccessful, and that on the Boeing the same jamb is not a reason copy it and not an excuse at all ... Build an airplane where most of the parts are not from RF, it makes no sense at all ... the Tu-204CM is not gluttonous, there are new engines there ... You are not in the subject, like with the Asia-Pacific Region ... The number of imported parts on the Tu is simply ridiculous in comparison with the Jet and it is much easier to refuse them, and most importantly, the new Tu engines are just great against Jet.
                      2. 123 Online
                        123 (123) 20 October 2019 17: 08
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                        Are you really ...., or are you trolling ?!

                        I repent, a little troll. It’s just that I also have nothing to do with the “release of a useless aircraft”. laughing

                        I just said that an unsuccessful western plane is no reason to build the same, or worse in the Russian Federation

                        It is already built. Now what to do? Stop production and buy abroad the same guano? Or bring it to mind?

                        As for the ATR-72, there is an engineering miscalculation in the wing structure, due to which the aircraft has an increased tendency to icing, due to which a number of accidents occurred ...

                        And what is our copy of the ATR-72? Which plane has icing problems?

                        Tu-204SM is not gluttonous, there are new engines ...

                        What other new motors? What, the new engine did and are silent? The fuel efficiency of PD-90 is 14% worse than that of PD-15. Do you want me to write "with a higher fuel consumption" instead of "gluttonous"? Will this help reach consensus? repeat

                        You are not in the subject, as with the Asia-Pacific ...

                        Enlighten, I will be grateful, can you leave a link?

                        The number of imported parts on the Tu is simply ridiculous in comparison with the Jet and it is much easier to refuse them.

                        Even if you have one single imported part and you are not allowed to sell an airplane with it, it does not matter how much domestic there is, 40 or 99%. You can either sell it or not. There is no third. And again we return to the issue of profitability, but you persistently pass by this argument.

                        ... and most importantly - the new Tu engines are just great against Jet.

                        And who is arguing? Just do not put them on the "Superjet", they are big. You will not attach the engine from KAMAZ to your passenger car? There is no point in arguing which of these engines is better, no, I’m not repeating it for the first time, they are making PD-10 for it.
                      3. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 October 2019 18: 16
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                        ATR-72 is an An-24 class car ... The fact of the matter is that the domestic IL-114 is much better ... The French engines of the Russian Federation frankly boarded Jet engines, laying low motor life in them ... Sometimes a suitcase without a handle is better to quit than to carry, especially since it is difficult to call a Jet a domestic plane, there is little Russian in it ... the PS-90 is more reliable ... It's easier to change 1% of imported products, or about 70% ?! So, with the 204th everything is simpler and faster ... the 204th is not KamAZ ... this is a Tu-154 class airplane, it’s quite suitable for domestic airlines and you can fly them to the same Crimea instead of cans flying Today.
                      4. 123 Online
                        123 (123) 20 October 2019 18: 34
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                        ATP-72 is an An-24 class machine ... The fact of the matter is that the domestic IL-114 is much better ...

                        I do not argue whether it is better or worse. Tell me, what kind of copy of ATR-72 do we have? And what is the problem with icing?

                        French engines frankly striated the engines of Jet, laying low motor resources in them ... Sometimes it is better to drop a suitcase without a handle than to carry it.

                        What is the French guano engine, let's not repeat it anymore? How much can one repeat the same thing? I am in the know, I do not argue. Then what do you offer? Just stop releasing the aircraft?

                        Jet with a domestic aircraft is difficult, there is little Russian in it ... PS-90 is more reliable ... It is easier to change 1% of imported products, or about 70% ?! So, with the 204th everything is easier and faster.

                        Suppose you replaced this notorious 1%, then what?
                        How much can you repeat? Sorry, I can’t make a larger font -TU-204 IS NOT COMPETITIVE, CONSTRUCTION BY SMALL SERIES IS NOT VALUABLE. How are you going to solve this problem?

                        204th not KAMAZ ...

                        You cannot argue with this statement. laughing

                        it is a Tu-154 class airplane, it’s quite suitable for domestic airlines and you can fly them to the same Crimea, instead of cans flying today.

                        Reread, please, the previous paragraph, I’m already tired of repeating the same thing.
                      5. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 October 2019 20: 12
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                        This is only your opinion and it is erroneous ...
                      6. 123 Online
                        123 (123) 20 October 2019 20: 19
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                        This is only your opinion and it is erroneous ..

                        Just a killer argument. Bravo. good
          2. 123 Online
            123 (123) 20 October 2019 15: 31
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            Concord died due to a chassis defect ..

            As indicated in a 2004 investigation report, a titanium strip breaking off a previous aircraft tore off a tire on one of the Concord's landing gears; a piece of rubber pierced the left wing skin and damaged the fuel tank. As a result, a fire broke out, leading to the failure of one of the engines. The plane took off and stayed in the air for about a minute, but could not gain altitude and crashed to the ground.

            https://lenta.ru/articles/2010/12/07/concords/

            Titanium platinum lying on the runway is difficult to attribute to an unfinished chassis.

            The MS-21 can be brought for many more years, and the Tu-204CM is an excellent machine that can be built, used on domestic airlines in Russia and sold abroad to the same Iran now, and it does not have Jet problems ... Jet is not competitive, where Tu-204 flew and fly, Jets stand idle ...

            Do you follow the syllables? You see, there is a "payback threshold." If you do not produce a certain number of aircraft, then production is unprofitable. You see, there is piece production, and there is a conveyor. In addition, the Tu-204 is "gluttonous", its operation is unprofitable. Read the link to see how "the operators" are pleased.

            https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3361469

            Will instead of "Superjets" "Carcasses" be produced and put rot in the "warehouse"?

            ... to sell abroad to the same Iran now, and he has no Jet problems ...

            The following quote is stupid from Wikipedia:

            Since the early 2000s, a number of changes have been made to the design of the Tu-204/214. The aircraft began to be equipped with improved passenger seats and household equipment. Avionics and systems have also been updated - a number of blocks and units of another Soviet design were replaced with new Russian or imported ones. In particular, the changes affected the systems of aircraft navigation, flight control, traction, automatic steering control. Instead of indicators with cathode ray tubes, modern liquid crystal ones are installed.

            How were you going to sell it to Iran with these imported components?
          3. Arkharov Offline
            Arkharov (Grigory Arkharov) 20 October 2019 17: 40
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            What are the Concorde chassis flaws? The piece of iron was lying on the strip, and even then it was found from which and when a particular plane had fallen off.
      2. 123 Online
        123 (123) 20 October 2019 12: 41
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        And you read the reviews about how Jet flies because of its low-lying engines ... You constantly have to intensively and often clean the GDP, but this is an additional cost and still there is something lying around somewhere, falling off from any technology (every little thing, screws, etc.), all this draws into Jet engines ..

        Please see the previous comment again (with pictures). Foreign aircraft have exactly the same arrangement of nacelles. Why do you think that the SuperJet has incorrigible problems with this? But does it bother the rest? Is everything okay with them? Try to look at this problem objectively, and not look for imaginary flaws. Moreover, the debris on the "take-off" is not a problem of the plane, but of the airport service. The Concorde died due to a piece of iron on the strip, and its engines were higher.

        There are no such problems with the Tu-204 ... Say, is it old? Not older than the Tu-114, whose production is now being resumed ... Considering how long the B-747 has served ... the Tu-204 is still very young ...

        I repeat, please reread the previous comment. The problem is not the age of the Tu-204; it cannot compete with the new Airbuses and Boeings. Do you propose to abandon the promising and competitive MS-21 and start producing the Tu-204? Perfect solution. laughing Only we will fly on it, well, or it will turn out to suck in someone who is under sanctions. But the aerodrome is not necessary to sweep.
      3. 123 Online
        123 (123) 20 October 2019 12: 57
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        Not older than the Tu-114, whose production is now resuming ...

        Yes, you are right, the IL-114 is not young. In part, its production is a necessary measure, the production of the AN-148 was covered with a "pan", and aircraft are needed. To develop from scratch is a very long time, we returned to the old groundwork.

        Considering how long the B-747 served ... the Tu-204 is still very young ...

        I did not say that he is old. Airplanes fly for a long time. Another Tu-134 is flying. I repeat, the Tu-204 is NOT COMPETITIVE, it is inferior to new foreign models. It will be IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL ANYONE. That is ABSOLUTELY. Let's get back to the production of the VAZ-2106, but what? A good, time-tested machine ......

        I never called on the Russian Federation to buy Western aircraft, especially of the regional class ... I have always been against this ...

        I agree, I fully support, but for this it is necessary to do them at the world level. There will be no sales abroad, output will fall, production will not be profitable and there will be no money for the development of the project. Production was lost during the unforgettable Boris Nikolaevich, now people are trying to fix it. Yes, it doesn’t work out all at once, but there is no other way. Moreover, they frankly interfere with us, in this market we are not happy about our return.
    2. Sapsan136 Offline
      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 20 October 2019 10: 56
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      Sorry, I meant, of course, IL-114, but everyone says anything about the place of its production ... plans have changed several times already.
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    123 (123) 19 October 2019 17: 19
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    The SSJ-100 option is better than buying a Boeing 737 and putting it on joke, because you can't fly it.
    Serbia is not so far, I will install spare parts.