The end of Minsk: Zelensky launched an offensive on the DPR and LPR

The regular meeting of the Tripartite Contact Group held yesterday in Minsk may well be the last. Not only was it impossible to agree on anything during the course of it, the representatives of Ukraine eventually announced an extensive list of their own requirements, each of which, in principle, crosses out the spirit and the letter “Minsk”. And already considered in the complex, they make it absolutely clear that they are not striving completely for any steps towards the peaceful resolution of the civil war in the East in the "non-winter". Moreover, they intend to continue to act there not according to the "Steinmeier formula", but exclusively on the principle of "the worse, the better."




Eight Wishlist of Kiev


In fact, the meeting of the TGC was reduced to nothing more than to “the expression by all parties of their commitment to implement the decision to withdraw the opposing forces.” In any case, so said the OSCE Special Representative Martin Saydik who was present there. Nevertheless, no specific timelines for the start of this process, such as announced earlier on October 7, when the breeding was foiled by the Ukrainian side, are not even discussed today. Yesterday, expressing its full agreement with the settlement plans outlined earlier and literally signing under the “Steinmayer formula”, which was the first key to it, Kiev “changed its shoes in the air” and made a turn exactly 180 degrees. This impression is created by the ex-president Leonid Kuchma Darka Olefir, voiced by the press secretary representing the Ukraine in Minsk, with unprecedentedly demanding demands, numbering as many as eight, which, she said, are the conditions for starting the movement towards the peace process. In fact, this is a scenario, not only not different from the absurd “Wishlist” of the time of Poroshenko’s presidency, but in some ways even re-spitting them in their absurdity and impracticability. If a number of conditions, such as “the withdrawal of forces and assets along the entire line of contact”, “the complete demilitarization of Kalmius, Novoazovsk, Sakhanka, Kumachovo” settlements or “the provision of the work of the OSCE special monitoring mission throughout the Donbass territory”, could theoretically become subject to discussion, the rest are nothing more than “torpedoing” of the entire negotiation process, since they are impossible a priori.

This, for example, is about the requirement of “withdrawing from the territory of Donbass all illegal armed groups, above all, the Russian troops and the military equipment». Вывести то, чего нет, невозможно. А «незаконные формирования», это, вне всяких сомнений, Народная милиция Республик. Не менее дико звучит претензия Киева об обеспечении работы на неподконтрольных ему территориях Донбасса не только украинской Центральной избирательной комиссии и СМИ, но и всех «украинских political партий». Напомню – к таковым в «нэзалэжной» относятся, к примеру откровенно нацистские «Конгресс украинских националистов», «Свобода», и, наконец, «Национальный корпус», представляющий из себя не что иное, как сборище пролезших в политику карателей, проливших на Донбассе реки крови. Всему этому отребью там теперь обязаны «создать все условия» для агитации и участия в выборах. Не меньшей чушью является и давно навязшее всем в зубах требование «передать Украине контроль над российско-украинской границей». Это обсуждалось уже ровно один миллион раз, и все с одним и тем же результатом. Нулевым. Впрочем, даже эта дурь меркнет перед являющимся «венцом» наглости Киева заявлением о том, что для начала процесса урегулирования «должны быть распущены террористические образования ДНР И ЛНР». Как к этому всему не присовокупили пожелание относительно того, чтобы каждый житель Республик собственноручно выкопал себе могилу и встречал своих «освободителей», стоя на коленях у ее края – лично я не понимаю. В приведенном списке смотрелось бы вполне органично. Подводя под ним черту, можно сказать только одно: украинская сторона хочет совершенно беспрепятственно зайти на обезоруженный и беззащитный Донбасс, получив возможность творить там абсолютно все, что вздумается. Да еще и получить полнейшую гарантию невмешательства от России…

To kill, but first - to rob


No less challenging and "economic block ”of Ukrainian requirements. By the way, Kiev began to announce them almost for the first time since the start of negotiations. First of all, Donbass is obliged to “get out of the ruble zone” and return to carrying out all settlements and payments exclusively in hryvnia. But it’s interesting where it comes from, given that the lifting of the trade, as well as all other blockades in the region, doesn’t even stutter ?! Moreover, a complete rejection of the nationalization carried out in the Republics should be made - all enterprises and companies, both former state and private, should be returned to the ownership of Ukraine. Well, here you can clearly feel the “paw of Koreiko,” that is, Kolomoisky ... However, Akhmetov, for sure, to an even greater extent. And also - start immediately paying taxes to the Kiev treasury. Presumably, with all the “arrears” and fines that have occurred over the past five years, which, “in accordance with Ukrainian law,” will be measured to the highest possible limits. With all this, mind you, there is no question of any restoration by Kiev of infrastructure, industry, or at least the housing stock of Donbass, destroyed and destroyed by its punishers. As well as compensation payments to those who became crippled, lost relatives and friends or lost property as a result of Ukrainian shelling, bombing and other actions to “appease” the region. As we see, before starting large-scale "purges" in the Republics, which, according to Kiev, should be disarmed and generally "self-dissolving", they also want to rob them with very high quality. On the other hand, they cannot help but understand that if the DPR and LPR are to fulfill these idiotic “Wishlist”, there will immediately come an economic and social collapse. The region, and so living today is not too prosperous, expect poverty, chaos and hunger in this scenario. Without a doubt, the Ukrainian side would like to do just that.

It is obvious that no one will think to fulfill all of the above conditions. This is not even political surrender, but a real suicide. Neither the current leaders of the Donbass, nor the rest of its inhabitants are at all inclined towards him. Moreover, the voiced demands, which would be appropriate only if the tanks of the Ukrainian army stood a few meters from the center of Lugansk and Donetsk, have nothing to do with the “Minsk agreements”. They would have to be discussed, as they say, “from scratch”. Under that condition, naturally, if at all someone agreed to discuss them. In this connection, let's say, the reaction to what is happening in the Kremlin is slightly perplexing. So, the press secretary of the President of Russia Dmitry Peskov spoke out about the fact that "the new opening is very unexpected for Moscow." At the same time, he said that it is “not yet clear to him” whether the demarche of Kiev is “a rejection of the Minsk agreements and the obligations undertaken earlier”. Still not clear ?! What else do you need? So that the Armed Forces went on the offensive along the entire line of confrontation, and Ukrainian bombs rained down on Donetsk and Lugansk (God forbid!)? So, by the way, from the same summer Nikolaev aircraft repair plant NARP since this summer, they have been sweating their faces, restoring the Su-24M front-line bombers and not hiding it even once. Do you think that in Kiev they are going to drive gophers in the fields? In fact, Ukraine today completely openly rejects Minsk, and all its delusional demands are only an attempt to shift the responsibility for the final breakdown of negotiations to others. “We suggested - they did not want to ...”

The only thing that could stop Kyiv, which was clearly intent on moving to the Donbas to “continue the policy by other means,” could be a sharp and decisive reaction to such attempts from the West. However, one should not cherish the slightest hope. As a result of a joint meeting of the German and French governments in Toulouse yesterday, a declaration was adopted stating that Berlin and Paris “welcome positive developments in the implementation of Minsk and look forward to the next meeting in the Norman format.” What are the shifts ?! In what, excuse me, place? The gentlemen of the European officials were not informed in time about what was really happening in Minsk, “welcomed” by them, or are they most likely continuing to wishful thinking and not focusing on everything that Ukraine is doing? Most likely, the latter. Given the fact that the above-mentioned declaration, among other things, also contains words about underlining the position on the “illegality of the annexation of Crimea by Russia”, it is almost certain.

Kiev is preparing for war and only for war. At this moment in the Ukrainian media "hot news"About" hurricane shelling by militants in the Zolotoy district ", and heartbreaking details about the" heroic military girl who died from an enemy sniper bullet. " Here is the “sacred sacrifice” made! One can only hope that the Kremlin will not be too long to figure out whether "the Ukrainian side has departed from peaceful intentions" or still not. Do not, right, wait for confirmations provided with the use of tanks of large artillery calibers. And so everything is very clear ...
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 17 October 2019 09: 35
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    This can go on forever or as with Transnistria. Our trouble is that our government does not want to work with the president, but only want to collect taxes. Since Ukraine does not want to fulfill the agreements, it means that it does not need Donbass. Russia can easily attach it on the basis of a referendum, but it will have to work there, the region has been destroyed. And our government is only interested in profit! Half of Siberia was burnt, half of the Far East was flooded, and they don’t even remember!
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 17 October 2019 10: 40
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      Russia can easily join it on the basis of a referendum

      She could have joined Abkhazia, and South Ossetia. But still not attached. Do you think it's all about profit?

      Half of Siberia was burnt, half of the Far East was flooded, and they don’t even remember!

      Firstly, not half of Siberia (we don’t smell of burning here) and not half of the Far East was flooded. And remember, yesterday’s.

    2. gorenina91 Online
      gorenina91 (Irina) 18 October 2019 07: 32
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      Half of Siberia was burnt, half of the Far East was flooded, and they don’t even remember!

      Yes, really ... - Half of the taiga burned down and many settlements; in the Far East and near Irkutsk flooded the vast territory where our people live ... - But the icy calm on all this Moscow is simply amazing ... - And already winter is coming ...

      And why not annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia if the people want to be annexed?

      Why the hell is Russia the second Chechnya (Abkhazia) and absolutely moneyless South Ossetia ...
      - And from Abkhazia, and so Russia directly buys all the tangerines and wines right in the bud ...; and builds houses and villages for free in South Ossetia ... - And to both, it constantly throws up money taken from our taxpayers ...
      - Russia already has Dagestan, which uses gas and electricity for free ... - it just steals all this and cannot do anything with it ... - About Chechnya I’ll just keep silent ... - everything is clear to everyone. ..
      - But basically you write everything correctly ...
      - I can add about Novorossia ... - Russian oligarchs do not need it at all, like the Ukropov oligarchs ... Both of these oligarchs are quite satisfied with the Bandera bacchanalia in Ukropia ... - Yes, it suits ... - and those and these ...
      - Well, take part in, add Russia to New Russia ... And then what .. ??? - Coal in Russia, and so at least heaped ... the whole Kuzbass, the whole of Vorkuta and Inta (coal mines) ... And so there is nowhere to put your coal ... nobody needs it in such quantities ...
      So what??? Will Kuzbass have to close Vorkuta mines, or what ??? And switch to Donetsk coal ???
      And they’re not used to living in New Russia the way they live near Irkutsk and the Far East ..
      - It is near Irkutsk that people live in such shacks ... that floods washed away ... -There are such slums without gas supply, sewage ... they carry water in buckets and heat stoves with wood and coal ... The entire pipeline "Power of Siberia" past them passed ... right to China ... And what a miserable and miserable building-house itself ... as if not the 21st century in the yard, but the middle of the 19th century ... -And this is the Russian people living ... That's all conversation ...
  2. Artie Offline
    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 17 October 2019 12: 45
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    So what's wrong with that? Russia will finally get a legitimate reason under international law to destroy the APU
  3. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 17 October 2019 13: 48
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    And why not annex Abkhazia and South Ossetia if the people want to be annexed? For some reason, Germany joined the GDR, and did not even ask anyone.

    Reports, like pictures, are drawn by aunts - uncles,
    because the grilles are not for them, they will not sit there ......
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 18 October 2019 01: 08
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      Come on,

      Germany annexed the GDR, and did not even ask anyone.

      GDR with the permission of the unforgettable Mikhail Sergeyevich. As a collective farmer comes to power, this usually happens. All are given out by "zealous villagers." Khrushchev gave Crimea. And in general, to distribute "Kemsky volosts" in the tradition of the Communists. In 1918 they lost Poland, Finland, the Baltic states. Donbass gave Ukraine. In 1991, the Union was torn apart. Now we are raking.
  4. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 17 October 2019 14: 39
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    And what other reason and reason is now needed to recognize these republics, where RUSSIAN people live, who love Russia, live in Russia, and still believe in Russia, and they are dying on the border between Russia and Bandera ..... I am ashamed of our country, for its slogans “We don’t give up Ours,” and for the notorious “Russian World,” because peaceful children, women and old people continue to die every day through our fault, and we are engaged in some kind of Minsk garbage.
    1. A M Offline
      A M (A M) 17 October 2019 21: 39
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      You do not have enough to increase your retirement age or want to work for your leader up to 75 years. So, it will all be if Russia tries to recognize these separatist bits.
      1. molotkov60mkpu Offline
        molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 18 October 2019 13: 40
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        Based on this logic, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Mongols, Kyrgyz, Azerbaijanis .......... etc., what was the reason for fighting in WWII 41-45? Did they need it? And after the war, the destroyed areas of the USSR had to be dumped so as not to rebuild. According to this logic, such an old mother mother is also selling such people to nursing homes as a burden. And they will merge us all, since we do not bring profit. This is a capitalist ideology. And this ideology, which we have not declared in the Constitution, is stubbornly being introduced and implemented. And the alternative is socialism. This ideology must be declared in the Constitution and subordinate to it the whole reality of the Russian Federation.
      2. Atol vedaslav Offline
        Atol vedaslav (Atol Vedaslav) 18 October 2019 17: 11
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        The recognition of the republics will not require an increase in material costs for their maintenance, because now they already live, mainly on Russian money. Raising the retirement age is not associated either with Ukraine or with Western sanctions. This is a continuation of the Gaidar policy of the destruction of Russia by the Medvedev government.
    2. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 18 October 2019 00: 52
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      And you are not ashamed. Just go to Donbass, sign up as a volunteer and stay healthy

      on the border between Russia and Bandera.

      And then to a fig such divorced, for the country ashamed. sad
      1. Valentine Offline
        Valentine (Valentin) 18 October 2019 08: 14
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        I was already there, but it wasn’t given to people like you, and because of people like you, we are a country and pros .....
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 18 October 2019 19: 07
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          I was already there.

          What came back? Already defeated everyone?
          You slammed the country, and now you are looking for the guilty?
  5. magdama Offline
    magdama (igor) 18 October 2019 08: 38
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    The friendship of our senior leaders impedes Russia. Medvedev harmed and harms the interests of the country. Who gave the island of Tarabarov on the Amur to China, who signed the UNFAVORABLE agreement on the maritime border with Norway? Who is covering for him? The authority of GDP! Such a policy continues in the Donbass. I would not be surprised if at one point Russia ceases to help the republics. Some Donetsk heroes have already been tried in Russia. It's a shame.
  6. Port Offline
    Port 18 October 2019 09: 52
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    Quote: AM M
    You do not want to increase your retirement age or want to 75 ...

    Little or not, this should not worry the Ukrainian public. By the way, you do not shine at 75, and that's fine.
  7. Potapov Offline
    Potapov (Valery) 18 October 2019 09: 55
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    I really want the young president to defeat someone. Due to the usefulness and the opponent of a small victorious war, it is better not to twitch.
  8. Vladimir Mokin Offline
    Vladimir Mokin (Vladimir Mokin) 18 October 2019 11: 53
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    The goal of Zelts and his entourage is to finally finish off and destroy Ukraine into pieces. Zelensky is a protege of the international Jewish lobby, whose center is in the USA, and Israel is the priority. Its curator Kolomoisky does not hide that he is an adherent of the ultra-radical Jewish sect Habad Lubavich, who aims to restore the Khazar Khaganate in the territory of modern Ukraine.

    *cm. Edward Hodos
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 18 October 2019 13: 56
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      And you by chance, not Vladimir Grigorievich.
  9. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 18 October 2019 12: 50
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    Negotiations with Bandera bandit formations were meaningless from the very beginning, and the fact that they did not see this, or even now do not see it in the Kremlin, speaks of the incompetence of officials involved in the Russian Federation’s territories temporarily occupied by Ukraine.
    1. Atol vedaslav Offline
      Atol vedaslav (Atol Vedaslav) 18 October 2019 17: 26
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      Yes, everyone saw, do not strain. The Kremlin is far from being fools.
  10. oracul Offline
    oracul (leonid) 19 October 2019 06: 25
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    It’s sad to read all this. The trouble of Russia in its eternal desire, first of all, to be a peacemaker and only in an attack to fight back, which always gives priority to the aggressor.
  11. Port Offline
    Port 19 October 2019 06: 51
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    This is what needs to be done with the people so that they choose a president with such a face, they won’t come to peace there, but will be like in Palestine.