"Last chance for Moscow": Kiev spoke in the language of ultimatums

The events of October 14, taking place in places quite distant from one another - Brussels, Kiev, and even at the front line of troops located in the east of Ukraine, clearly indicate that today there can be absolutely no talk of a “peaceful settlement” in the Donbass . All the assurances of the “new” authorities of “unblinking” about its alleged adherence to the agreements reached earlier on this issue, the same “Minsk agreements” or “Steinmeier’s formula”, turned out to be a cheap theater-goer, hypocrisy and a lie.




Now, from its top-level official representatives, quite specific statements are heard that do not allow double interpretation. If you look at their essence, it becomes clear: the choice of Russia in the Donbass lies between surrendering to Kiev and continuing to support the Republics in all available ways, up to those that the Kremlin is trying to avoid today. There is no third.

"Norman format" according to Ukrainian rules?


Of course, the most significant moment for yesterday, a very busy day, is the Brussels-Luxembourg “tour” of the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Vadim Priestayko. The head of the non-fall diplomacy was spinning there like a squirrel in a wheel: one day he attended a meeting of the European Parliament Commission on Foreign Affairs and a similar event held by the EU Council. And he crossed with Federica Mogherini, and with her successor in high office, Joseph Borel did not forget to be kind enough. In a word, our gunfire ripened everywhere ... I didn’t waste time at the same time: for example, I severely reproached the European junk for the return of Russia to PACE, which, as Priestayko is sure, “harms the future of this organization.” However, we are most interested in the statement of the Ukrainian Minister of Foreign Affairs, which he made for representatives of the Western media precisely about the processes going on around Donbass today. In short, they can be reduced to several main points. According to him, Ukraine is ready to meet in the "Norman format" even tomorrow. Well, at least no later than the middle of next month. But this is hindered by the position of Russia, which stubbornly does not want to sit down at the negotiating table until at least the breeding of the parties at the previously agreed points on the demarcation line is carried out.

Kiev categorically refuses to admit its guilt that this does not happen. They agree to withdraw troops there only after "a week of silence," that is, a complete absence of shelling. In the previously signed “framework” agreements, there are no such conditions at all, but who cares? It was the demand for "silence" that was voiced yesterday, practically, simultaneously at several levels. This was stated not only by Priestayko, but also by the Ukrainian representative in the Minsk Trilateral Contact Group, Aleksey Reznikov, as well as the deputy head of the presidential office, Yuri Kostyuk. It was because of the shooting (and not at all because of the Sabbath organized by the national radicals) that the breeding, according to them, was “postponed”. That this is a trick is visible with the naked eye. Shelling in the frontline is sometimes unpredictable and, moreover, not very controlled. Actually, just for the sake of their absence, the warring parties should increase the distance dividing them. That's just Kiev categorically does not want to do this, looking for excuse for an excuse. Let us return, however, to the revelations of Mr. Priestayko. He threatens and sets the conditions completely openly: they say that the upcoming summit is “Ukraine’s last honest attempt to follow the path of the Minsk agreements.” And if Russia does not agree to participate in it on the conditions of Kiev, then let it blame itself:

This is her last chance ...

Plan B, plan Ze, the Cypriot version, or the Croatian scenario?


But what will happen if the Kremlin does not suddenly feel such a formidable warning? In this case, according to the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry, his country is preparing a certain “Plan B”. He categorically refuses to disclose the essence of such, but he hints at the same time that "we are talking about peacekeeping." Most likely, this is just a repetition of “thoughtful ideas” voiced not so long ago by the same official in an interview with Radio Liberty. Then Priestayko was more frank and admitted that in the event of “failure of negotiations in the“ Norman format ”Ukraine will face the fate of Cyprus.” That is, in fact, dividing it into two irreconcilably warring state entities that are kept from continuing the bloodshed by only a contingent of UN forces. What is characteristic, in the case of Cyprus, “blue helmets” are located right on the line of a possible confrontation. It is quite possible that we are dealing with an attempt to "probe" Moscow’s attitude to a situation in which the "peacekeepers" will nevertheless be introduced to the Donbass, but will not stand on the border with Russia (as was required in Kiev all this time), but for example, on the current line of demarcation of the parties. It’s just that it is unlikely that Russia, which with one word can “break” such plans in the United Nations, will agree to this. Too often in Ukraine, there was talk of a "Croatian scenario." That is, about the return of Donbass with a lightning military strike, inflicted precisely under the guise of a "peacekeeping contingent."

Nevertheless, other options, except for the notorious “Plan B,” which Zelensky already mentioned, who said that if “he doesn’t come back to return people and territories, it will be necessary to make sure that everyone who considers themselves to be Ukrainians in the Donbass, were here ”, in reality it is not visible. Kiev continues to talk about the "red lines", from which he does not intend to retreat. They, in particular, were repeatedly voiced by Pristayko in Brussels: the renunciation of the autonomy of Donbass, the demand for its complete disarmament (also the “withdrawal of Russian troops” in addition!), The transfer of control of the border with Russia to the Armed Forces, entry into the Republic “to ensure elections »Ukrainian police contingent and so on.

We will not change the Constitution and carry out federalization for the sake of Russia!
- these are the words of the Ukrainian minister.

That is, again a "dead center", the promotion of conditions that are completely unacceptable for both the Donbass and Russia. What is left? Introduce "peacekeepers"? To build a wall in the East, what did the Ukraine talk about again? It seems to be not the worst of the possible options. At least the blood will stop flowing, people will not die. However, the truth is that Kiev will simply not be allowed to dwell on such half measures, absolutely regardless of what kind of power it will sit there. Yes, by and large, no half measures in this situation are already impossible in principle ...

"Active minority" and the voice of the West


The mass sabbaths that took place in Kiev on October 14 during the “Defenders of Ukraine Day” invented by nationalists make one wonder: What, does anyone really think that Donbass can return to IT? In a country where thousands of columns marching along the main streets of the capital, screaming “Moskal to the knives!”, Over which not only the Bandera “banners” are fluttering, but, in addition, the flags of NATO and the USA? Someone really imagines the Republic as a part of the state, whose Prime Minister Aleksey Goncharuk enters the concert stage of the openly neo-Nazi group Sokira Peruna, who dedicates songs to such characters as Rudolph Hess and publicly declares to the rallying scumbag gathered in the hall: Thank you what you are! I work for you ... "?! In all seriousness, it represents Donetsk and Lugansk a part of all this - even with the rights of "broad autonomy" (which, of course, no one will ever give them), even without ?! Maybe enough? Maybe it’s time to recognize that over the past five years between Ukraine and Donbass, who rejected the insanity that has seized it, there has been a completely insurmountable abyss? No "Minsk" in practice is impossible in principle! How much can you lie to yourself and the world? Yes, and in Kiev they understand this better than anywhere else, because the very same Priestayko, after ranting about peacekeepers, says that Ukraine can "protect itself without the peace process." For some reason, he is sure that for this it will be enough to “put a third of the budget on mobilization”. And victory is in your pocket! As far as this is true, the third thing. The main thing is that nobody is really going to bury the "ax of war" in the "uncovered" one.

The only thing that keeps her from “sudden movements” and forces her to participate in the “peaceful settlement” games is the position of the European Union. It was not without reason that Federic Mogherini, who had not yet left the post of his “chief diplomat,” recently reminded the Ukrainians with all the rigidity of an emancipated European lady: “Since 2014, we have invested more in you than in any other country!” How to work out think? Today, all the same Mogherini calls the plans of Kiev voiced by Priestayko for Donbass “complex and satisfactory,” either not realizing that they are all a “road map” of the road to nowhere, or pretending that it does not reach it. At the same time, she declares "further support for the territorial integrity of Ukraine" and "non-recognition of the illegal annexation of Crimea." What can Russia expect from the “Norman Summit” after such statements? And is it worth it to take part in it in their light? But while the processes are going on without the participation of the United States, where, due to the scandal that erupted there, the Ukrainian question was temporarily “paused”. But sooner or later, scandals and elections end. Whatever the president takes in the White House in the future, a change of US approach to Russia cannot be expected. And consequently, the changes in the role of Ukraine in the confrontation between Washington and Moscow. And if suddenly in Kiev they decide to confine themselves to introducing peacekeepers to the border with the Donbass or building a wall on it, from across the ocean they will vividly remind what needs to be done.

And then raging on October 14 in the Ukrainian capital, 10-15 thousand “opponents of surrender”, which are “an active minority”, which embittered Vyatrovich today frightens Zelensky, will instantly turn into yet another full-fledged “Maidan”. And the alarming silence in the Donbass - in a new war. Is Russia ready for such a turn of events? Do we have our own “plan B”, “C”, or even, at worst, “G”? Or does Moscow intend to accept the ultimatums of Ukraine, humbly listening to her talk about the "last chance"? Alas, today the foreign policy initiative is again seized by Kiev. "Serious concern" and requirements for Zelensky "show political will, voiced in the Kremlin, is unlikely to help here. It seems that our country will have to show both will and strength soon. No other way.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 15 October 2019 08: 40
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    But it could not be otherwise. With a "hooligan" you can’t just agree, as they are trying to do now. Without tough, radical measures, there is no way! Since Ukraine refuses to fulfill the signed agreements, it means that it does not need this territory! To be respected, you need deeds, not words!
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 15 October 2019 09: 26
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    Not an hour without Ukrainians.
  3. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 15 October 2019 10: 05
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    And there are not Ukrainians, there are Russian people! And we don’t leave our own ?!
  4. Mihail55 Offline
    Mihail55 (Michael) 15 October 2019 11: 54
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    There is no alternative ad infinitum not to recognize the territory of the RUSSIAN WORLD. Ukraine has no right to recognize these lands as its own. Fascism in the glorious Donbass land will not pass!
  5. Dzafdet Offline
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 15 October 2019 13: 02
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    How much easier it would be to have a dialogue with Kiev if we would strike a dozen Caliber at the objects in Ukraine: the General Staff, the Security Service of Ukraine, the Parliament, the President’s residence, ammunition depots ...
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 15 October 2019 22: 47
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      Quote: Dzafdet
      How much easier it was to have a dialogue

      It would not be a dialogue, but a monologue (conceptually) and a ban on everything from the West and from the West, which for five years has not yet been banned, coupled with an increase in the retirement age to 75 years for the “feeding” of Ukrainian pensioners. Do you want that?
      And the collective West does not just want, but makes efforts.
    2. DPN Offline
      DPN (DPN) 16 October 2019 21: 32
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      You must have been joking. Today is not 91 years old and not even 2014, the steam engine has gone far ahead, so to speak, and now a good answer can fly in, the army has revived.
      1. LeftPers Offline
        LeftPers (Anton) 19 October 2019 05: 29
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        ... their army was reborn ....

        What, both planes were repaired and the rocket painted?
  6. sgrabik Offline
    sgrabik (Sergei) 15 October 2019 14: 12
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    Zelensky must clearly understand that if he now yields to the radicals and follows their lead, they will dictate their conditions to him on every occasion and the matter will not be limited to this concession alone, which means unleashing a full-scale war in the Donbass, the introduction of the Russian army and the inevitable and utter defeat of the Armed Forces and all these fascist nationalist battalions.
    1. Oleg Kalugin Offline
      Oleg Kalugin (Oleg Kalugin) 15 October 2019 15: 00
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      I beg you, why don’t you enter, that Zelensky is a radical himself in relation to the Russian and Russian worlds.
    2. Wooh Offline
      Wooh (Barmaley) 16 October 2019 11: 22
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      Zelensky must clearly understand that if he now yields to the radicals and follows their lead, they will begin to dictate their conditions to him on every occasion.

      Firstly, Zelensky, along with the Uniates - traitors of Orthodoxy, (such as radicals) should clearly understand that they did not load LDNR near Debaltseve, but they piled so that they whined like beaten dogs, and signed everything that they were given to sign . And LDNR ultimatums do not set them.
      request
  7. Oleg Kalugin Offline
    Oleg Kalugin (Oleg Kalugin) 15 October 2019 14: 59
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    Aggressive minority, these are the same as Zelensky, he is from the same minority. Does anyone doubt it? A Jewish boy is sure that arrogance is the second happiness, and his cunning will fool everyone?
    Although, if his diaspora is behind him, then you should not relax, even in Russia.
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 October 2019 16: 27
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      ... Zelensky, apparently, is a Jew like Avakov the Armenian ... They, it seems, were not only “de-Russified”, but also de-Armenianized, de-Tatarized and even de-Jewish, even if the concept of “liquid Bandera "... Is that how?
      1. Oleg Kalugin Offline
        Oleg Kalugin (Oleg Kalugin) 15 October 2019 22: 42
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        Unfortunately, Soviet Jews remained Jews, and everything else is fairy tales about fairy-tale countries, do not be so naive.
  8. Pishenkov Offline
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 15 October 2019 16: 21
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    Maybe it’s time to recognize that over the past five years between Ukraine and Donbass, who rejected the insanity that has seized it, there has been a completely insurmountable abyss?

    - I think that the time has come to admit that during this time, despite all the media's warnings about the brotherly people, etc., this gap has already formed between Ukraine and Russia, and those who consider themselves Russian and Ukrainian . We are all afraid to frankly admit it, but in this sense, for almost 30 years, “Ukrainization” and “de-Russification” have nevertheless reached their point. Something more or less rests on those who, at a conscious age, lived in the USSR. As soon as these people become extinct or even become decrepit, ceasing to exert influence on the life of our states - everything, you can forget about the so-called fraternal people. We are no longer brothers, to my personal deep regret ...
    The time has come to admit this, and act in accordance with the current situation ... Tough, clear, and calmly. He who is not with us is against us. That's all.
  9. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 15 October 2019 20: 09
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    And let's analyze why WWII began. Remember Germany's 1933 story. The Weimar Republic, which was forbidden to have its own Air Force army, and the Navy, but Hitler, with the blessing of German Chancellor von Hindenburg, having received complete power in the country, urgently began to restore the German army, purchasing for its weapons, the latest machine tools, metal, components, latest technologies of that time, fuel, etc., and so on. And all this was delivered to him by all the countries of Europe, America, England and the USSR, and, most importantly, German aggressive nationalists seized power, which, from a primary minority, turned It was a powerful force with which Hitler and crushed the whole of Europe, and with minimal losses. Well, the rest we all know - the people of the USSR won, albeit with enormous blood, this Victory, and now we are witnessing the same picture with Nazi Ukraine - it is also supplied with weapons by all the countries of Europe and America, money to restore and maintain the army They also emit oil, gas, and all grades of gasoline, and electricity, machine tools, chemistry, etc. we are already supplying to Belarus .... And with this “help”, the Ukrainian army will turn into one of the most powerful armies in the world in a few years , and we just, we’ll look at it, threaten with a finger and worried fuck .... Before our eyes for 30 years, our neighbors have turned from our brothers into our fierce and vicious enemies, but we, like before the Second World War, think everything - maybe it will carry it, and if not, then we will throw our hats .... It will not carry it, oh it will not carry it, if they are not stopped now.
    1. antibi0tikk Offline
      antibi0tikk (Sergei) 16 October 2019 08: 55
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      I don’t know what weapons a person will wage the third world war, but the fourth will be with a stick and a stone.

      Einstein

      The retaliatory strike will be at decision centers.

      GDP
      CONCLUSION: 1 + 2 = happy end'a will not .....
  10. Port Offline
    Port 15 October 2019 20: 14
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    The worst thing in this story is that the Ukrainians themselves consciously piled on this huge stinking pile of shit, they voluntarily agreed to confront Russia to destabilize and destroy it, then there is no need to be offended if Russia destroys Ukraine in return, the whole purpose of which is to inflict maximum damage to Russia and its people.
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    Screw (Gennady) 16 October 2019 02: 28
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    An anecdote from the beginning of the saints of the 90s: declare war on Japan or the United States and give up quickly. On the part of U. it looks like this. But on the part of physics - the nuclear process, the process of annihilation of nuclei, which burns everything nearby. The process of rejection, which lasted more than a hundred years, should end with the wave of a magic wand of a certain fairy.
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  12. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 October 2019 10: 56
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    I have long understood that the refusal to take the Donbass together with Crimea in 2014 to Russia was an unforgivable mistake of the Kremlin, and any negotiations with Bandera Ukraine are useless. All that can be done today is to recognize the republics of Donbass, to hold a referendum in them, inviting all Western officials who want to come as observers, to invite representatives of other countries (at least China, Australia, Indonesia, Argentina) who want to come and accept Donbass to the Russian Federation as a result of this referendum as regions of the Russian Federation! Only such a step will stop the war and genocide of the Russian people in the Donbass by neo-Bandera gangs! One can only hope that this will be understood in the Kremlin and the sooner the better!
    1. Valentine Offline
      Valentine (Valentin) 16 October 2019 13: 12
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      Where the sheer dominance of Yeltsin’s pupils and the last ones, they won’t understand anything. Rather, they will surrender and sell Russia again, together with its people, to the service of Uncle Sam, and there they will already do with us what they did to the numerous tribes of Indians of the entire American continent - destroying more than 100 million local Aborigines.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 October 2019 14: 05
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        So, they will do the same with them as with their pseudo-holy Nicholas ... they will not forgive them for the discharge of the Donbass ... this is the end of the political career of the United Russia and personally GDP.
        1. Valentine Offline
          Valentine (Valentin) 16 October 2019 16: 21
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          And EP is already a political corpse. Soon it will be replaced by the same Faberge, but only in profile ... If the "guarantor" would recognize LDNR, then its rating would rise by 30-40%.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 16 October 2019 16: 41
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            I don’t think ... Such an increase in the GDP rating, in my opinion, is possible only after the return of Donbass to Russia ... Another independent Abkhazia, sitting on the neck of Russia, the population of Russia does not need ... The expansion of the borders of the Russian Federation, especially the inclusion of The Russian Federation of the Russian region, and Donbass is just that, is another matter ... here the ratings would really go wild for a while ...
  13. papas-57 Offline
    papas-57 (PAPAS-57) 16 October 2019 19: 41
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    Are they immortal there? Saving, how on a computer did?
  14. Roarv Offline
    Roarv (Robert) 16 October 2019 20: 29
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    The only things that Ukraine and the West have not banned are the flight routes of the Caliber.
    Ukrainians will not understand that they clatter with them, that they won’t fight with guns and machine guns .....
  15. Dzafdet Offline
    Dzafdet (Sergei) 17 October 2019 14: 03
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    Quote: DPN
    You must have been joking. Today is not 91 years old and not even 2014, the steam engine has gone far ahead, so to speak, and now a good answer can fly in, the army has revived.

    The answer? How will they respond? In Ukraine, everything is stolen and sold. Soviet equipment, and even that breathes incense.
  16. Nikolay Malyugin (Nikolai Malyugin) 18 October 2019 07: 13
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    If you can’t agree, then there is no desire. The mention of diplomacy is just ridiculous now. There are representatives of states. And they do not possess special flexibility. Zelensky needs to return to his role. And let his circle and opponents sweep the streets.