In Germany, the fall of the Berlin Wall was called "a symbol of the humiliation of the Russians"

Active Russophobes, firmly entrenched in the German television channel Das Erste ("First"), gave their next "work" uphill. The channel’s material says that initially the Russians rejoiced in the unification of Germany, but after a while, having felt the consequences of this, they “sobered up”. The channel claims that now for them (Russians), the Berlin Wall is a reminder of its former strength, and its fall is a symbol of defeat.




For clarity, it should be noted that the owner of the Das Erste TV channel is ARD (Arbeitsgemeinschaft der öffentlich-rechtlichen Rundfunkanstalten der Bundesrepublik Deutschland, “Working Party of Public Law Broadcasting Stations of the Federal Republic of Germany”) - an association of German regional public broadcasters. There are many of them, but each of them has real owners. This is a kind of circle of Russophobia.

After all, they accused Russia of “aggression” in 2008, while covering the armed conflict in South Ossetia, in 2010 blamed the Russian air traffic controllers for the crash of the Polish Tu-154 airliner near Smolensk, and welcomed Euromaidan to Ukraine in the winter of 2013-2014. Moreover, in Germany itself, the attitude to the “product” of this gigantic media holding, waging an information war against Russia, is very cautious, since the “public figures” regularly give distorted information, frankly inciting hatred between peoples. Therefore, the next "run over" to Russia is not surprising.

The authors specify that many Russians "perceived the collapse of the USSR not as a" triumph of democracy ", but as humiliation." And indeed it is. However, why the authors believe that “the Russians considered the Berlin Wall as a bastion from the United States and NATO” is not entirely clear.

For some reason, it seems to us that the bastion from NATO was the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSVG) - the world's largest operational and strategic association of armed forces abroad, and not the Berlin Wall. But Russophobes argue that the fall of the Berlin Wall "was for many a proof that the Soviets lost the Cold War."

The authors also recalled the negative attitude of Russians towards the nomenclature of the late USSR. This is an old trick when well-known facts that are not directly related to a particular issue are presented as evidence of conclusions that are necessary for themselves.

It should be recalled that in 2016, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the fall of the Berlin Wall did not unite Europe, but only moved the line of division deeper into the east of the continent.
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  1. Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 6 October 2019 17: 53
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    But is it not the humiliation of our country when the one and a half million grouping of our troops, the GSVG and the ZGV, which was an outpost between the USSR and the hostile West, was immediately driven out of its inhabited garrisons, airfields and ports, into the cold Russian steppes? When for some Western-American promises we gave them East Germany for no reason, we left the countries of the former Warsaw Treaty, thereby allowing Washington to create there regimes that they hated us fiercely and hated for the fact that the USSR completely defeated the fascist Germany, and those who took an active part in this war against us .... Nevertheless, we see how the history of WWII is redrawn there. And now for them Hitler is a friend, comrade and brother, and we are enemies and occupiers, and since the collapse of the USSR, almost 2 generations have already grown up in the West, who firmly believe in this alignment of pseudo-historians of the Vyatrovichs ..... And I have a question for everyone , guys - whether our power will "merge" the Donbass, our Russian people are dying in the same place, protecting us, among other things, from rabid Ukrainian Nazis, or will we be together again, as before, and from this we will become even stronger.
    1. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 6 October 2019 20: 16
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      It must be reminded to the comrade that there was no liberation of the countries of Europe, but there was a new occupation, now Soviet, and as we now know, it was not much different from German! Countries and peoples learned what the "Russian Reich" and all the delights of the Soviet regime. No need to list how much the USSR invested and so on, it remained an invader, and when the time came, everyone said - home, free our land from its "unobtrusive friendship"! It must be recalled that the former owls. republics "waved", Belarus alone lingered. Ukraine for the exit received the weaning of territories and the war in addition. The question is, if the USSR was so good, why did everything captured earlier switch from Russian to German camp?
      1. Dart2027 Offline
        Dart2027 6 October 2019 20: 58
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        Quote: Sake
        ... that there was no liberation of the countries of Europe, but there was a new occupation, now Soviet.

        And a new occupation began, now American.

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        Ukraine for withdrawal received weaning territories and war in addition.

        After US intelligence agencies staged a fascist coup there.
        1. Sake Offline
          Sake (Sake) 7 October 2019 16: 36
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          You know,

          Better with a smart to lose than with a fool to find!

          So in life, it is better to live in close friendship with the United States than "unobtrusive" friendship in Russian! Recent history has proved my point, there is not a single true friend or ally around the Russian Federation, Belarus - and that is the way out, Kazakhstan is untying the Cyrillic alphabet - this means that they do not care about your farmyard, they will no longer stand in your stall!
          Clinging to someone else's in the West, you will lose Siberia in the East, not counting the islands! So your meanness will be counted!
          1. Dart2027 Offline
            Dart2027 7 October 2019 20: 08
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            Quote: Sake
            So in life, it is better to live in close friendship with the United States than "unobtrusive" friendship in Russian.

            Friendship with the USA? The USA does not and cannot have friends - only servants of varying degrees of usefulness. And Ukraine is clearly not one of those "close to the body."

            Quote: Sake
            Clinging to someone else's in the West ...

            Alien? Russia returns a part of everything stolen from her.

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            .. around the Russian Federation, not a single true friend or ally.

            It’s just that everyone is accustomed to a freebie, but they begin to tie it up, and some imagined that a freebie can be obtained from someone else. Well, well, it was the USSR that distributed everything that it could, right and left, but in the USA they always knew how to count money.
            1. Sake Offline
              Sake (Sake) 7 October 2019 21: 17
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              The original Russian lands are Moscow and within a radius of 300-400 km and .. and everything else is stolen from the indigenous peoples. Their list is clear - from Tatars, Chuvashs, Finno-Ugric peoples in the North and further to the East, it's not yours!
              Communists theorists said better on this subject: for example, Friedrich Engels:

              As for Russia, it can be mentioned only as the owner of an enormous amount of stolen property, which she will have to give back on the day of reckoning.

              German philosopher Karl Marx:

              Russia, which has nothing to do with Russia and got, or rather stole, its current name in the best case in the 18th century, nevertheless, brazenly claims the historical heritage of Russia, created eight hundred years earlier. However, Moscow history is the history of the Horde, sewn to the history of Russia with white thread and completely falsified.
              1. Dart2027 Offline
                Dart2027 8 October 2019 19: 38
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                Quote: Sake
                Primordial Russian lands are

                1/6 of the land, which is known to everyone and everyone.

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                Better on this issue said the theorists of communism.

                So you are for communism? What a news. But I don’t belong to them.
            2. Bitter Offline
              Bitter (Gleb) 7 October 2019 21: 37
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              Well, well, it was the USSR that distributed everything that it could, right and left, but in the USA they always knew how to count money.

              Therefore, they have such a meager external public debt, fellow good humor jokes 705%.
              1. Dart2027 Offline
                Dart2027 9 October 2019 13: 36
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                Quote: Bitter
                Therefore, they have such a meager external public debt.

                They borrow not from other countries, but from the Fed, so here it’s a little different.
                1. Bitter Offline
                  Bitter (Gleb) 11 October 2019 09: 11
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                  Of course not, nobody buys securities and the like, neither the Chinese, nor the Russians, no, no, no. laughing laughing
                  Only now, for some reason

                  U.S. government debt for November 2017 is approximately $ 19,845 trillion. of which about $ 108,7 billion falls on investments by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

                  hi
                  1. Dart2027 Offline
                    Dart2027 12 October 2019 09: 59
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                    Quote: Bitter
                    ... of which about $ 108,7 billion falls on investments by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.

                    In July 2019, Russia continued to reduce investments in bonds of the US government - up to $ 8,501 billion (from $ 10,848 billion in June). This is stated in the materials of the American Ministry of Finance, which he traditionally publishes in a month and a half.
                    Back in May 2018 - after the April sanctions - Russia dropped out of the list of the 30 largest holders of US state bonds and since then has been heading to reduce investment in them.

                    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/5462758
                    1. Bitter Offline
                      Bitter (Gleb) 13 October 2019 20: 29
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                      Invested and invested - a fact. good
                      Calculate how much has already been invested, plus various exports of various raw materials and products for 25 years, including dumping and dumping prices, or forged documents. In general, the Americans have not yet incurred losses from this position; rather, they are writing off lost profits.
                      1. Dart2027 Offline
                        Dart2027 13 October 2019 20: 52
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                        Quote: Bitter
                        Invested and invested - a fact.

                        Like a country that lost in the twentieth. But now we are moving away from this.
                      2. Bitter Offline
                        Bitter (Gleb) 14 October 2019 22: 09
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                        I do not agree, XB country did not lose.
                        She handed her over, with all the allies and satellites in addition and absolutely without loss from the opposite side - for free. More precisely, these, to put it mildly, grief reformers paid for everything with the people's good ... and continue to pay.
                        In Russia, the so-called “withdrawal” will take more than a dozen years, provided that after Putin comes to power not the “progressive” Gorbi 2.0 or some power-hungry drunkard and tyrant on a populist wave.
                        This is taking into account the fact that after the RSFSR, the new Russian capitalists got the tremendous potential of real and promising developments, as well as a storehouse of unbroken resources and minerals.
                        In the meantime, nothing else remains, as having depicted a smart mine, to pretend that everything is going according to plan and invest, invest, invest. Not only in the financial, but also in the raw material, and in the humane-intellectual resource of the winning partners.
                      3. Dart2027 Offline
                        Dart2027 14 October 2019 22: 56
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                        Quote: Bitter
                        I do not agree, XB country did not lose.
                        She handed her over, with all the allies and satellites in addition and absolutely without loss from the opposite side - for free.

                        And that was a loss. To lose because of betrayal in history is quite common; it is not without reason that they speak of a "donkey loaded with gold."

                        Quote: Bitter
                        In Russia, the so-called “departure” will take more than a dozen years

                        Wait and see. The future is a volatile thing.

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                        In the meantime, nothing else remains, as having depicted a smart mine, to pretend that everything is going according to plan and invest, invest, invest.

                        About the reduction of deposits, I already wrote.
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                        Bitter (Gleb) 16 October 2019 10: 39
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                        Wait and see.

                        yes I agree, although I think I will not be able to.
  • Valentine Offline
    Valentine (Valentin) 6 October 2019 21: 03
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    These are your maxims - which side to look at. As a seizure of power in the country - some, the losers, say that this is a coup d'etat, and others who won, that this is a people's revolution. And your coveted America is also that invader, all of Europe in their military bases, and I don’t even speak about Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya.
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    Bulanov (Vladimir) 7 October 2019 11: 09
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    If Ukraine hadn’t shot and burned 8 buses with Crimeans near Cherkasy (state employees who traveled from enterprises to anti-Maidan on a routine) in February 2014, Crimea might not have separated. Ukraine itself began to kill Crimeans first, so they left Ukraine. And about the "occupation" - Do you think the US occupation is much nicer?
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  • Pishenkov Offline
    Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 October 2019 16: 21
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    why did everything that had been captured earlier transferred from Russian to a German camp?

    But because I forgot something. It is very characteristic that the word "captured" you used here is in the middle kind - a reservation according to Freud, so to speak - IT. Well, nothing, EMU will be reminded again how the time will come. And, most likely, the Germans themselves. They know how. And they well know HOW to handle all THIS. Only I, in the place of Russia, would not be in a hurry to release them this time ...
    Let them marinate. So that all sorts of empty holes that come to mind phrases like "Russian Reich", still managed to get into the "showers SS", where they have the place.
  • ROBIN-SON Offline
    ROBIN-SON (VLADIMIR SHAPOVALOV) 6 October 2019 22: 29
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    It would be a GSVG, there would be no banderers on Ukra!
  • Vladimir Khrebtov (Vladimir Khrebtov) 6 October 2019 18: 03
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    Not Gorbachev, so Yeltsin is one result. Both are traitors. One with Thatcher kissed and drove the drawings of the General Staff, the other friend Blin Clinton. Our group in Germany at NATO was like a bone in the throat. Amerikosy so now in Europe would not have borzoi and Y.O. was not in Germany.
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      AICO (Vyacheslav) 6 October 2019 19: 00
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      This is Bill Clinton von Lewinsky - how, how, we know, we know !!!
    2. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 6 October 2019 20: 28
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      I witnessed the retreat of the SA from Germany. There was an airfield with MiG-29 in Wittstock, but I only saw flyers on the MiG-29. Was in Wünsdorf near Potsdam. The view of the abandoned barracks and headquarters was, as after Mamaia, even the windows and doors were carried out, the rout was complete! I was near Magdeburg, a tank division was withdrawn from there ... A separate topic was the export of weapons and ammunition, one part was withdrawn to Russia, but there were other directions - Bulgaria and Angola, which later became a gold reserve for degenerals, palaces in the Moscow Region weapons and ammunition stolen and sold to savages. I will not reveal a secret, all over the world all wars are waged by Soviet weapons! Nobody is fighting with weapons of the USA or England, for example, here’s the answer to the question why we lived badly and live ?!
      A separate topic is the landing of some military units in the open field, these questions are for the Russian leadership, the Germans built garrisons according to the number of people evacuated from Germany, both housing for officers and barracks ... whom they settled there is a question for Pasha-Mercedes , Matvey Burlakov, look how they live.
      1. Dart2027 Offline
        Dart2027 6 October 2019 20: 59
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        Quote: Sake
        I will not reveal a secret, all over the world all wars are waged by Soviet weapons! No one is fighting weapons of the USA or England, for example.

        So is it not the US “Patriots” who have recently disgraced the whole world?
        1. Sake Offline
          Sake (Sake) 7 October 2019 21: 08
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          ... the Jews didn’t give a damn about your S-300s and 400s and annihilate anyone who is needed every day, and how the vaunted “Shells” turn into scrap metal, they don't see the Jews point-blank!
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            Dart2027 8 October 2019 19: 36
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            Quote: Sake
            Jews didn’t give a damn about your S-300 and S-400.

            And where did the S-400 come from, can I curiosity?

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            ... but how the vaunted “Shells” turn into scrap metal.

            According to Rubin, one of the reasons for the failure of the American Patriot systems in Saudi Arabia was that the sensors of the complexes tracked only over-the-horizon targets, while not paying attention to low-flying ones. The second reason was the large area of ​​the country, which greatly complicated the protection of airspace.
            At the same time, the ex-director of the Israeli organization for missile defense said that to protect the Saudi oil enterprises from low-flying and small targets, the Russian anti-aircraft missile-cannon system (ZRPK) “Shell-C1” would be suitable.

            https://topwar.ru/162997-v-izraile-objasnili-proval-amerikanskih-zrk-patriot-v-saudovskoj-aravii.html#comment-id-9725802

            But in Israel they think a little differently.
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 8 October 2019 18: 40
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        ... the Germans built garrisons in the number of evacuated from Germany., Both housing for officers and barracks ...

        WHERE??? I do not defend the army command of that time, they also distinguished themselves, this is a fact. But WHERE are these garrisons built by the Germans for half a million people ??? Give the name, indicate on the map! One shave and desa ... It was the Germans who remained garrisons with full infrastructure ...
    3. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 7 October 2019 21: 10
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      Now you got a bone in the form of Ukraine, from which the next collapse of Russia will go.
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        Dart2027 8 October 2019 19: 40
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        Now you got a bone in the form of Ukraine.

        Which walks the world with outstretched hands, begging pennies for fascism and which scare the inhabitants of Somalia.
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    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 6 October 2019 22: 32
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    Russia was offered Peace and friendship, and then they began to cast the medals "For Victory in the Cold War" ... So - you did not win, you dishonored, and those who once lied would not be believed! If you want a war, get it, and not cold, but incinerating your cities!
  • When we take Berlin again, neither Berlin itself nor the wreckage of the Wall will remain in this level place!
    1. Sake Offline
      Sake (Sake) 7 October 2019 16: 28
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      Tell me, how will you take Berlin again? Do not be the USA and England behind the back of the USSR ...
      1. Dart2027 Offline
        Dart2027 7 October 2019 20: 10
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        Quote: Sake
        ... do not be the USA and England behind the back of the USSR.

        Remind me, who was helping Hitler from the very beginning? The strange war, the Munich agreement, the rejection of all the articles of the Treaty of Versailles - this is definitely not Stalin.
        But about the "behind" - that's for sure. It was there that they hid from the monster they had created.
        1. Sake Offline
          Sake (Sake) 7 October 2019 21: 04
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          And who dragged Hitler into power for a mustache? It’s not exactly the Americans, but Stalin, through the Comintern, forbade the unification of the KKE and the SPD that Hitler became chancellor! Then no Americans were close, they had a crisis above the roof. When were Munich and Czechoslovakia? That's right, in 38, why didn’t they invite Stalin there, but because he got stuck in the civil war provoked by him in Spain and all Europeans saw how valiant red artillerymen and tankers ruined Barcelona, ​​Valencia and other cities and villages, for example, the red-bellied ones were needed in the center of Europe ?!
          1. Uh The Germans chose handsome Alfi themselves - he promised them living space and slaves in the East.
          2. Dart2027 Offline
            Dart2027 8 October 2019 19: 33
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            Quote: Sake
            And who dragged Hitler into power for a mustache?

            Those who controlled Germany after its defeat in WWI.

            Quote: Sake
            Why didn’t they invite Stalin there, but because he was stuck in the civil war provoked by him in Spain

            Stalin provoked a war in Spain? And who put forward this crazy thesis? In addition, you couldn’t clearly say what kind of connection between the GV in Spain and the division of Czechoslovakia, is there not enough imagination?
            And by the way, what about the Strange War, Stalin commanded the British and French?
      2. Especially the Anglo-Saxons succeeded in Dunkirk in the 39th and in the Ardennes in the 44th, oh, yah!
        And about Berlin - do not hesitate, we will not storm you.