Pozner told why the Soviet Union should be condemned

Journalist, TV presenter and radio host Vladimir Pozner, who has Russian, American and French citizenship, is known for his many anti-Soviet statements. So this time, answering the question of one of the listeners, he told why he had a negative attitude towards the Soviet Union.




Posner said that the people who stood at the origins of the creation of the USSR promised the population to build a new, just society. But they deceived the population and built a "totalitarian state, which rested on faith and fear." He is sure that the state (USSR) not only did not fulfill its promises, but betrayed its own ideals, on which it was originally created.

For this I do not criticize him, for this I condemn him.

- emphasized Posner.

After that, Posner went on to criticize modern Russia. He advised the listener to consider what post-Soviet Russia could be praised for. He proposed to determine what one could be proud of in it, and what this country gave people with its enormous wealth.

Then Posner began to explain why he often criticizes Russia and the USSR, and not the West. He specified that each country has its pros and cons, and it does not bypass these disadvantages. But since he lives in Russia, and not in Holland, and personally that country does not care much for him, he is more interested in Russia.

All of the above has already been published on the Posner blog. Before that we informed readers, as he spoke about youth who misses the USSR.
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  1. steelmaker Offline
    steelmaker 30 September 2019 19: 18
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    ... Traitors are more dangerous for the people, they will substitute their homeland.
    And they will not spare their people, neighbors and relatives.
    Traitors are grebes in the clearing, but you can distinguish them in the bud ...
  2. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 September 2019 20: 35
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    Is a fair society built in the USA, or in France ?! By the way, it is better for Pozner and his ilk with US citizenship to leave Russia forever and never return ... When you receive US citizenship, the person who receives it takes an oath of allegiance to the United States, including swearing to protect the United States and the interests of the United States with arms in hand! We in the Russian Federation do not need those who are ready to defend foreign countries with weapons in their hands!
    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 30 September 2019 21: 37
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      Quote: Sapsan136
      ... vows to defend the United States and the interests of the United States with arms in hand.

      Access to the media is also a weapon.
    2. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 1 October 2019 13: 02
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      Quote: Sapsan136
      Is a fair society built in the USA, or in France ?!

      There is no perfection in the world. But in the United States and France (and in general in bourgeois countries that are at the top of the modern evolution of society) justice, including social justice, is most of all.
      In the most primitive societies (for example, slaveholdings, as in the USSR) there is very little social justice. In the feudal, more already. In the bourgeois, most of all.

      Quote: Sapsan136
      We in the Russian Federation do not need those who are ready to defend foreign countries with weapons in their hands!

      Where are not needed? In Syria or Korea with Vietnam and Spain?
      And then, do you know how old Pozner is?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 16: 50
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        There is no social justice in the USA and never has been, there veterans of the Vietnam War died in packs on the streets abandoned by the country like stray dogs ... Yes, you and Posner can do without my advice, there’s nothing to do in Russia like you , and we will solve this already, since this is our land, and not your Ukraine with Israel ...
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  3. grandson of Perun (Sergei) 1 October 2019 17: 47
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    Quote: Savigne
    Then read paragraph No. 1 until you understand what is written there.

    It tells the lie that the capitalist USA and France are more just societies than the socialist USSR.
    Look for stupid elsewhere for fairy tales about “fair” capitalism.
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 1 October 2019 18: 13
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      Quote: Perun's grandson
      ... that the capitalist USA and France are more just societies than the socialist USSR.

      Human society is evolving. Those. eventually moves along the path of more and more self-improvement.
      This is how the evolutionary process works.
      Bourgeois society today is the highest stage in the development of human society. Probably, then there will be something more perfect, but today there is nothing more perfect than bourgeois society. Do not come up.
      USSR used "Soviet socialism". This is one of theocratic varieties of slave society. Those. a society at a very, very low stage of development. Even below the feudal OEF.
      Of course, the highest social justice (of all possible for today) will be in bourgeois society. In feudal society, it will be lower. And in slaveholding (including the USSR), even lower.
      And the other is simply not given. It’s just how the world works.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      Look for the stupid elsewhere.

      Why look for them? They are full of everywhere.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      ..for fairy tales about "fair" capitalism.

      This is not a fairy tale at all. And I'm not really joking.
      You should go somewhere abroad. To capstrana. Maybe they would have picked up the mind there.
      1. grandson of Perun (Sergei) 1 October 2019 20: 46
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        Quote: Savigne
        USSR used "Soviet socialism". This is one of theocratic varieties of slave society.

        A society in which there was no exploitation of man by man - slaveholding?
        The best way to expose a liar is to make him give evidence of his lies.
        So, prove the facts "slave" system in the USSR.
        Argued, and not as you usually do - unfounded.
        1. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 1 October 2019 22: 07
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          Quote: Perun's grandson
          A society in which there was no exploitation of man by man - slaveholding?

          Was there no exploitation of man by man in the USSR? Are you serious?
          The society of the monstrous exploitation of people who worked literally for a piece of bread, it turns out, was without this exploitation.

          Quote: Perun's grandson
          So, prove the facts "slave" system in the USSR.

          1. Learn the signs of slaveholding mode of production.
          2. Remember what and how it was in the USSR.
          3. And you will be bingo.
          And I'm not going to prove anything to you. Only for the money. Since this is WORK. And for my work I charge dearly. Highly. Respect, you know, my work.
          1. grandson of Perun (Sergei) 2 October 2019 00: 38
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            Quote: Savigne
            And I'm not going to prove anything to you.

            Who would doubt that.
            As always, Russophobic lies are unfounded lies.
            "For a piece of bread in the USSR" they worked, yeah.
            As in the Israeli kibbutzim on the order received clothes.
            How tens of millions of US residents survived solely on food stamps.
            PS: for nonsense "Russians do not know how to make cars" what, do not pay more?
          2. Bitter Offline
            Bitter (Gleb) 3 October 2019 22: 27
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            ... the monstrous exploitation of people who worked literally for a piece of bread, ..

            ... there was a slaveholding society (formally from December 1927, but with a transitional period until 1940 ....

            It also reminds America of the 27-40s of the last century, and even then it was not much better. Of course, it’s a taboo to write about African Americans and Indians, they are not mentioned modestly and very fairly anywhere.
            And then immediately bam and all the Democrats -

            "Yes, we can."

            wassat
      2. grandson of Perun (Sergei) 1 October 2019 20: 54
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        Quote: Savigne
        You should go somewhere abroad. To capstrana. Maybe there would be crazy there.

        Firstly, not a liar, repeatedly caught for a forked tongue, to point me.
        Secondly, I already live in a capitalist country.
        Thirdly, in the "civilized" countries you can understand the mind yourself. Go to the "non-slave" Israeli kibbutz or Indian reservation in the states. Walk in the states or France through the neighborhoods of blacks, Arabs and various migrants.
        Yes, in our remote provincial town people live better!
        1. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 1 October 2019 22: 11
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          Quote: Perun's grandson
          Not a liar, repeatedly caught for a forked tongue, point me.

          Why are you lying? Who and when caught me in a lie?

          Quote: Perun's grandson
          I already live in a capitalist country.

          This is in what, if not secret? Are you sure that this is still a capitalist country?
          Just in case, I want to inform you that the capitalist countries of the former Soviet republics are ONLY the Baltic countries.

          Quote: Perun's grandson
          Go to the "non-slave" Israeli kibbutz or Indian reservation in the states.

          I won’t say anything about kibbutzim - religion is a delicate matter. But the Indian reservation, where did you see slaveholding there?

          Quote: Perun's grandson
          Walk in the States or France through the neighborhoods of blacks, Arabs and various migrants.

          Well, then what? Well walked, so what?

          Quote: Perun's grandson
          Yes, in our remote provincial town people live better!

          Respected. You can distinguish illegal immigrants from legal immigrants?
          He gives me an example of illegal immigrants, he made me laugh.
          1. grandson of Perun (Sergei) 3 October 2019 09: 45
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            Quote: Savigne
            Who and when caught me in a lie?

            Me and Sapsan 136. Repeatedly.

            Quote: Savigne
            Just in case, I want to inform you that the capitalist of the former republics of the USSR are ONLY the Baltic countries

            You can report, but this is just another misinformation.
            The economy is capitalist NOT ON the degree of loyalty of the country in the states, but ON the one to whom the means of production belong.

            Quote: Savigne
            Well, then what? Well walked, so what?

            Yes, that's all. The myth of the "developed" and "rich" West bursts instantly.
  • grandson of Perun (Sergei) 1 October 2019 17: 40
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    Quote: Savigne
    But in the United States and France (and in general in bourgeois countries that are at the top of the modern evolution of society) justice, including social justice, is most of all.

    Do you seriously want to say that there is a fairer society in the States than it was in the USSR?
    That in the United States a child of low-income parents can get an excellent education, as in the USSR, and without credit bondage for life?
    That in the States a young family can get an apartment for free, as in the USSR, again without a bonded mortgage?
    What do social elevators work in the States, how did they work in the USSR?

    Quote: Savigne
    In the most primitive societies (for example, slaveholdings, as in the USSR) there is very little social justice. In the feudal, more already. In the bourgeois, most of all.

    In fact, the "primitive" country was the leader and in many ways ahead of the vaunted States.
    By the way, the States still cannot prove the truth of their "flights to the Moon", which they allegedly got ahead of the USSR.
    And nonsense about the "slave" in general is ridiculous to read. How long have the "white only" signs disappeared in the United States?
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 1 October 2019 18: 31
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      Quote: Perun's grandson
      Do you seriously want to say that there is a fairer society in the States than it was in the USSR?

      Is there any doubt about this?
      They can only be:
      1. For those who did not see with their own eyes what "Soviet socialism" is.
      2. Who is beyond the boundaries of der. Pupkino and the city of Zadrischensk never traveled and did not see with their own eyes what bourgeois society is.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      That in the United States a child of low-income parents can get an excellent education, as in the USSR and without credit bondage for life?

      In the United States, any child can receive an excellent education. And even become president, like Obama.
      In the USSR it was impossible to get even a mediocre education. There was no one to teach - the teachers themselves knew little.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      That in the States a young family can get an apartment for free, as in the USSR, again without a bonded mortgage?

      To rent? Of course, in the United States, whatever, and wherever it wishes.
      In the USSR, in order to get the right to rent an apartment, people stood in lines for years and decades. And in the end, the HAPPY PARTIES received the right to rent the apartment that they were offered. And where they were offered.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      What do social elevators work in the States, how did they work in the USSR?

      Ask Obama.
      In the USSR, no social elevators worked. This was stated by a famous joke that "the general’s son will never become a marshal, because the marshal has his own children."

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      In fact, the "primitive" country was the leader and in many ways ahead of the vaunted States.

      This is a lie. The USSR was the leader only in mortality. And in the end, everything came to the point that there was absolutely nothing for the soviet citizens to eat.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      By the way, the States still cannot prove the truth of their "flights to the Moon", which they supposedly got ahead of the USSR.

      It has long been proven, you at least read something on this topic.
      But Gagarin’s flight is very doubtful. It is especially suspicious that he lied about his landing. After it opened, only different Castro and Gandhi began to meet with him. But serious people never met him again.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      And nonsense about the "slave" in general is ridiculous to read.

      Why is this nonsense?
      In the USSR, there were all signs of a slave society. The peculiarity was that there were few slave owners (at first there was only one, Dzhugashvili, and then the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, but their property was collective). Therefore, there was no slave trade inside the country (it was for export).
      Well, pseudo-religion was pagan, Marxism-Leninism was called.
      And there were no more differences from the usual slaveholding society.

      Quote: Perun's grandson
      How long have the "white only" signs disappeared in the United States?

      Did you write this in the rain?
      1. grandson of Perun (Sergei) 3 October 2019 09: 52
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        Quote: Savigne
        In the USSR, there were all signs of a slave society. The peculiarity was that there were few slave owners (at first there was only one, Dzhugashvili, and then the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, but their property was collective). Therefore, there was no slave trade inside the country (it was for export).

        Just enchanting nonsense.
        I have long suspected that Russophobes are fanatics, which means inadequate.
        Adequate would not write a phrase whose beginning contradicts the end of the same phrase.

        PS Can you tell us about the scale of the "export slave trade"? Rzhach will cheer me up on this gray rainy day ...
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    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 30 September 2019 21: 39
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      All his life he ate well and was treated in top clinics, he is far from insanity. But foreign citizenship needs to be worked out, but no matter what happens.
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 00: 28
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        Yes, let it work out, it’s been quick, but not in the Russian Federation ...
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    Digital error (Eugene) 30 September 2019 21: 46
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    Why condemn the Soviet Union? For the decree of an 8-hour working day. How much blood was shed by the capitalists because of this in an attempt not to be worse than the USSR. How much money was spent to soothe the fear of revolution in their countries. How many resources from the capitalist governments the USSR sucked out only because they sought to be competitive for the living of the working class. And now this decree is canceled by D. Medvedev I recalled Brzezinski (I can not vouch for the accuracy of citation):

    A new world order will be built thanks to Russia, on the ruins of Russia and at the expense of Russia.

    And the fate of Russia will be an edification for other states that conceived the "unthinkable" against capitalism.
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 1 October 2019 13: 10
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      Quote: DigitalError
      Why condemn the Soviet Union?

      For the destruction of Russia.
      For the genocide of Russians and representatives of other nations of the USSR.
      For genocide just the population of the USSR.
      For halving the population over the years of the existence of the USSR.
      For scanting (degradation, moreover, purposeful) of the bulk of the population of the USSR.
      Etc. etc.

      Quote: DigitalError
      How much blood was shed by the capitalists because of this in an attempt not to be worse than the USSR.

      They wanted to spit on the USSR. Most often they did not even know where this miracle is located.

      Quote: DigitalError
      How much money was spent to soothe the fear of revolution in their countries.

      What kind of revolution?
      They lived in bourgeois societies. Those. on top of modern evolution.
      At the same time, in the USSR there was a slave-owning society (formally from December 1927, but with a transitional period until 1940). And feudal (until December 1927).
      The only thing they could do to degrade to the level of the USSR was to conduct TWO reactionary coups. As it was in Russia.

      Quote: DigitalError
      ..conceived "unthinkable" against capitalism.

      Against the development of human civilization.
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 October 2019 09: 29
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    Haha The pet of the elite, of course, defends capitalism, lies about the USSR.
  • Most of my friends believe that in the 90s the USSR built communism, and oh, how well we lived ....
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 1 October 2019 12: 57
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      Quote: BoBot Robot - Free Thinking Machine
      Most of my friends believe that in the 90s the USSR built communism, and oh, how well we lived ....

      Are you ill? It seems like that. Recover.
      1. Honestly, I’ve heard many times from a wide variety of people - under the USSR we lived under communism, but we didn’t know about it ourselves .. And even to say that, the apartments were completely FREE, can you imagine now?
  • Alexander Butakov (Alexander Butakov) 1 October 2019 16: 41
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    The USSR was not able to give people what they were going to because of people like this Posner.
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    CCCP 2 October 2019 14: 56
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    Mr. Posner, if you don’t like my Motherland, then maybe it would be better for you to leave it forever. It will be much better without you.