Chinese economic power: should we strive to catch up with China?

Today, not Russia, but already China is the main rival of the United States of America in economic terms. Chinese business is actively entering Latin America and Africa, which Europe and the US have traditionally considered "their plots." At the shipyards of the Celestial Empire aircraft carriers are rapidly being built, the universally recognized “weapon of the aggressor,” which says a lot. Surprisingly, such a path from an agricultural country, China has passed in just 70 years.




This round date of the formation of the PRC will be October 1. After the end of World War II, China was engulfed in a civil war. It was possible to end it only by 1949, with the active assistance of the USSR. The Soviet Union was the first country to recognize the emergence of the People's Republic of China. His further assistance was invaluable, admits the Chinese ambassador to Moscow, Zhang Hanhui:

China well remembers the assistance that Russia provided to us during the formation of the PRC. If there weren’t those 166 large industrial projects that Russia helped us implement, then perhaps China would have remained an agricultural country.


Indeed, it was the Soviet specialists who created the industry-forming enterprises in China, having made an impetus for turning the backward agrarian power into an industrial one. But then our paths began to diverge. Exposing the so-called "cult of Stalin" and denigrating the achievements of his period, N. S. Khrushchev de facto headed for the restoration of capitalism, culminating in the events of 1991. Mao Zedong did not approve of this, to put it mildly, which led to a serious cooling of relations between Beijing and Moscow.

The subsequent events of the periods of the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, when China tried to take its own path to communism, are assessed very ambiguously. Due to voluntaristic experiments, such as artisanal steelmaking, and obvious “excesses,” such as the “war with sparrows,” a massive famine arose over the background of suppressing real problems, resulting in the deaths of millions of people. Western data in this regard is clearly overpriced, but domestic Chinese are impressive.

The "Cultural Revolution", which they try to reduce only to the struggle for power in the CCP and the attempt to "transit power" by Mao, went under the motto of the struggle against the restoration of capitalism:

Although the bourgeoisie has already been overthrown, it nevertheless, with the help of the exploiting old ideology, old culture, old customs and old customs, is trying to decompose the masses, win the hearts of people, is striving hard for its goal - the implementation of restoration.


As subsequent events showed, these fears were not groundless. In 1976, the prominent statesman, Den Xiaoping, became the de facto head of the PRC. His desire to make China “open,” successfully coincided with the desire of the collective West to nurture a counterbalance from the Celestial Empire to the Soviet Union. All of these “people's communes” were abolished, and foreign capital gained direct access to cheap Chinese labor. The return of market elements has begun economics, and state control decreased.

In China, according to some reports, about a million foreign enterprises have been created, where the local population labored for symbolic money. The economy received over two trillion dollars of foreign investment. The de facto restoration of capitalism that Mao feared, while maintaining the communist paraphernalia, took place. Like any phenomenon, this had mixed consequences.

On the one hand, China has made a powerful economic breakthrough, having managed to become a leading power capable of challenging the United States itself. Celestial China now has not only developed agriculture, industry, but also science and high-tech industries. Average per capita income and life expectancy have grown, modern cities and wonderful roads and railways have been built.

However, this capitalist paradise has a downside. China introduced a market economy, but naturally received enormous social stratification among the population. Economist Leonard Wei from Taiwan comments on this as follows:

Chinese socialism has turned into "wild capitalism" - the fashionable restaurants of megalopolises are crowded, people are throwing money, while others have nothing to eat. Like in Ancient Egypt - there the top, led by the pharaoh, bathed in luxury, and millions of silent slaves erected pyramids. 0,4% of Chinese people control 70% of national wealth.


For example, China is in first place for the construction of new housing. Their "ghost towns" are widely known, smelling of fresh paint and almost empty. The reason is simple: most Chinese simply cannot afford to buy an apartment in them. Instead, many laborers have to live in boxes or "iron cages", separated by mats, with an area of ​​several square meters per person.

Due to overpopulation, Beijing introduced a birth control program, "one family - one child", and for the second it was necessary to pay an increased tax. The rural population cannot afford it, therefore, at the birth of their second and subsequent children they are not registered anywhere at all, presenting to their neighbors as "nephews who came to stay." From the point of view of the state, these numerous “nephews” are real “shadow people”, since they are not registered anywhere, do not receive education and become absolutely powerless labor. Currently, the program is slightly relaxed, and it is allowed to officially have two children.

In general, the “Chinese miracle” has a price.
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  1. Bulanov Offline
    Bulanov (Vladimir) 29 September 2019 15: 47
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    Nevertheless, China did not abandon the communist idea and became the biblical Jacob, and the USSR became Esau, abandoning this idea and selling its "birthright" in building a socially just society for "lentil soup."
    1. gorenina91 Offline
      gorenina91 (Irina) 29 September 2019 18: 55
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      - Yes, if they sold ...
      - And they just took it and gave it away, and to this day it will continue for decades, in fact, this "transfer" ...
      - And no Rebekah will help here ... - And no one will voluntarily bring back the birthright (as it is in the biblical legend) to Russia ...
    2. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 30 September 2019 20: 34
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      Quote: Bulanov
      China has not abandoned the communist idea.

      This is in what place he did not refuse this idea? He back in the days of Dan refused this UG.

      Quote: Bulanov
      ... and the USSR became Esau, abandoning this idea and selling his "birthright" in the construction of a socially just society for "lentil soup."

      In fact, a slave-owning society under any "ideological roof" (even under the roof of pseudo-religion like "Marxism-Leninism") is terribly socially unjust.
      Patricians (in later times they were members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU, and before them Dzhugashvili personally) owned everything. All the people, bowels, resources and other assets. The plebeians (fellow citizens) had nothing but a bald carpet on the wall, Czech glass vases and the trousers of the Krivorukaya seamstress wiped on the ass. Their housing was rented (they were rented from the state, that is, the patricians), if there were any cars, it is very rare and not cars at all, but "Soviet cars".
      Sorry sight. A sad sight.
  2. Sapsan136 Offline
    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 29 September 2019 17: 22
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    You don’t have to catch up with anyone ... America has already been caught up ... They destroyed everything good that was at home, brought all the abomination from the West, to the abomination that it had ...
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 30 September 2019 20: 36
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      Quote: Sapsan136
      All the good that was at home was destroyed.

      But more about the "good at home" is possible? So, was it really possible to discover something good in the USSR?

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      ... they brought all the abomination from the West.

      And you are not in a bummer to sit at the "vile computer" and the "vile Internet"?
      1. Sapsan136 Offline
        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 30 September 2019 20: 40
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        There was a lot of good in the USSR, for example, a fairer society and more thought-out domestic policy, because in the USSR the population grew regularly and not due to migrants that were all disgusting to everyone, but due to internal resources, and in Russia and with the influx of migrants the population is constantly falling , from the bestial attitude in the Russian Federation to the people ... Computers in the USSR also let out, and let it be known to you, no worse than American classmates ... The same watch Electronics was no worse than the notorious Montana ... The Internet in its current form is a fruit international creativity wa, not the merit of the USA ...
        1. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 30 September 2019 23: 10
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          Quote: Sapsan136
          There was a lot of good in the USSR.

          I didn’t notice.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          ... for example, a fairer society.

          Justice, is it when everyone is equally poor?
          What for need such "justice"?

          Quote: Sapsan136
          ... and more thoughtful domestic politics.

          Is it when the kitchen is one thing and the meeting is different?
          This is called hypocrisy, not "sound domestic politics."

          Quote: Sapsan136
          ... because in the USSR the population was growing regularly.

          This is according to the "Soviet methodology."
          And if you look at the specific weight of the inhabitants of the Russian Empire within the borders of the USSR and the USSR to the world population (in 1913 and 1990), then you can easily notice that this percentage has halved. Those. really (in relative figures) the population of the USSR simply collapsed TWO TIMES.
          Minus almost 300 million people.
          So much for the "real results of socialism."

          Quote: Sapsan136
          ... and in the Russian Federation.

          It was about the USSR. No need to translate arrows.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          Computers were also produced in the USSR, and let it be known to you, no worse than American classmates ...

          Have you tried to read humorous sketches on the stage? Give it a try.

          Quote: Sapsan136
          The same Electronics watch was no worse than the notorious Montana ...

          See above.

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          The Internet in its current form is the fruit of international creativity, and not the merit of the United States ...

          The fact is that "international cooperation" is the United States. And in general, the whole world today, this is pure patrimony of the United States. Where even a mosquito does not squeak without US permission.
          1. Sapsan136 Offline
            Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 00: 20
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            These are your problems ... Although they didn’t notice, or didn’t want to notice .... Here the answer is obvious for me ... They didn’t want ... Not beggars, but provided, by the way, there never was such a trite equalization in the USSR , there simply wasn’t an unfair distribution of state revenues that exists today ... And today, do you all praise Putin, Kravchuk, Nazarbayev and others who are in your kitchens? Do not make me laugh! Even those in their parties in the kitchens often speak of them as .... well you understand me. It is incorrect to compare the population of the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia, because the Republic of Ingushetia included Finland and Poland ... and without them the population was naturally lower ... As for the USSR itself, the population was constantly growing, now it is falling in the Russian Federation, and in Lithuania is completely ... young people are all fleeing the country and are not going to return ... You try to read about Soviet computers, there were several brands ... and in general they were no worse than Western contemporaries ... USA is not international cooperation ... this is an attempt by the descendants of the English convict to conquer the world ... broken off ... US sends out even Pakistan and will send any whom the US will cease to pay ... and there are many ...
            1. Savigne Offline
              Savigne 1 October 2019 01: 11
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              Quote: Sapsan136
              Not beggars, but wealthy.

              Secured by what? Kefir and subsidized "Soviet bread" made from low-grade grain?
              The Soviet citizen was a pauper, like a church rat. He had nothing corny and could not be. Because slaves are not rich (in the USSR after 1927 they used one of theocratic varieties of the slave-holding OEF).

              Quote: Sapsan136
              ... there simply wasn’t an unfair distribution of state revenues that exists today ...

              NEVER in Russia / USSR lived SO GOOD, as it is now.
              But that time seems to be passing.

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              It is incorrect to compare the population of the USSR and the Republic of Ingushetia, because Finland and Poland were part of the Republic of Ingushetia ...

              I clearly wrote to you, "RI within the borders of the USSR."

              Quote: Sapsan136
              ..that the population is constantly growing.

              And again, this is juggling. As a percentage of the world's population, the population over the period of the USSR has decreased by about half.
              About 300 million people, this is the real loss of population during the existence of the USSR.

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              You try to read about Soviet computers, there were several brands ... and in general they were no worse than Western contemporaries ...

              You tell these tales to children. "Soviet production" only occasionally resembled the real one. But in fact ALL was a real UG.

              Quote: Sapsan136
              ..this is an attempt by the descendants of the English convicts to conquer the whole world ... break off ..

              Already conquered. Moreover, about 80 years ago. I'm sorry you didn't notice that.

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              The US sends even Pakistan away.

              Only in your fantasies. In fact, after that the top of Pakistan would have lived extremely shortly.
              1. Sapsan136 Offline
                Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 01: 37
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                Do not drive ... In the USSR, people had housing and got it for up to 30 years, or so, and in the United States most of the housing is not owned today, they live in auto trailers, and they can’t pay off their mortgages to death ..... Now in the Russian Federation, the Chubais and Narusovs live well, and not the people, and this is wrong ... In this case, you lied, the population of the USSR constantly increased, except during the Second World War ... The USA is a dying empire, and I am sorry for you, if you don’t see this ... What was created in the USSR, in the USA, and today were not completely able to recreate on your F-35s ... I have no fantasies I’m not Ukrainian ...
                1. Savigne Offline
                  Savigne 1 October 2019 11: 33
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                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  In the USSR, people had housing and received it up to 30 years, or so.

                  What does it mean, "received"?
                  He received (if he was very lucky) the right to lease for him, having stood the long queue (guess how and where he lived all these years). But not everyone was lucky.
                  At the same time, not the housing he wanted. And the housing that he was "supposed to." And where he was "supposed to."
                  Those. orders of ordinary slaveholding OEF took place. And this is only fellow citizens imagined slaves in the movie Spartacus. But no. They themselves were slaves. The most real. Classic, one might say.

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                  ... and received it until the age of 30.

                  To delirium! Until 30 years!
                  A communal apartment and barracks, what was this, wasn’t? The whole country was in barracks and communal apartments, people lived in them for generations, and this raves about "an apartment under 30 years old."

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                  Now in the Russian Federation, the Chubais and Narusovs live well.

                  And you including The apartment, apparently, was privatized? "Bad Power" gave for free. Unlike "good."
                  Do not stand in lines for products (Soviet ersatz products) for hours.
                  The sofa must be at home, not a trestle bed.
                  Etc. etc.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  ... within the borders of the USSR, population was constantly growing.

                  And once again for those who DO NOT REACH. Population growth should be considered as% of global. So correct. And in absolute terms, juggling.
                  If it is considered not "Soviet", but correctly, then the population in the USSR has halved. From 1918 to 1991 minus 300 million
                  "Excellent result.

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  ... except during WWII ...

                  Over the years of the Second World War (lasted from 22.06/24.09.1941/2) the losses were not very large. They were large during the period of the USSR’s participation in WWII in Europe (from September 24.09.1941, 08.05.1945 to May XNUMX, XNUMX).

                  Quote: Sapsan136
                  The USA is a dying empire, and I pity you if you do not see this ...

                  Empires certainly die. And the USA (neo-empire) will die sooner or later. Only here, a person is measured about 70 years old. And empires sometimes die for many, many centuries.
                  1. Sapsan136 Offline
                    Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 17: 29
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                    In the USSR, housing was not received by those who were lucky, but those who were supposed to ... Young specialists, for example, who arrived by distribution ... Young families, in connection with an increase in the composition of the family, and so on .... I bought an apartment already after the collapse of the USSR ... I counted the population of the USSR by head, and it grew all the time while the USSR was ... If you don’t know something or don’t understand, this does not mean that this does not exist.
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                      Savigne 1 October 2019 19: 20
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                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      In the USSR, housing was not received by those who were lucky, but those who were supposed to.

                      Nobody received housing in the USSR at all. In the USSR, those who were lucky, and after many (many, many years) standing in line, received the right to lease on the housing that the state has. There was no right to choose, it was only possible to refuse the housing offered for rent.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      Young specialists, for example, who arrived by distribution ...

                      Young specialists who arrived by distribution received a bed in a hostel for rent. Not even a room.

                      Quote: Sapsan136
                      Young families, due to the increase in family composition and so on ...

                      Young families after increasing the composition of the family received only the right to BECOME IN QUEUE. And when later it will fit and whether it will fit at all, it was unknown.
                      Yes, at first I forgot to note, BECOMING A QUEUE was also not easy. And for this it was necessary to have a reason.

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                      I counted the population of the USSR by head and it grew all the time while the USSR was ...

                      And the population of the USSR is not sheep in the stall. They do not need to be counted on their heads.
                      I have repeatedly written to you how to correctly calculate the increase or decrease in the population.
                      1. Sapsan136 Offline
                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 19: 36
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                        You are talking nonsense ... and therefore goodbye.
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                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 20: 22
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                        I’m not going to argue with you or to prove something ... I have my own opinion ... but to argue about the borders of the Russian Federation is not even with me ... but with the army of the Russian Federation and paramilitary groups of the Russian Federation, and something to you this is unlucky ...
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                      6. Savigne Offline
                        Savigne 1 October 2019 22: 40
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                        Quote: Sapsan136
                        Make a diagnosis of cows on the collective farm of the Lviv region ... comedian ... I see, it’s fashionable with you today, you even chose the president of the clown.

                        Where? In your parallel world?
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                        Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 2 October 2019 19: 55
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                        In your parallel World ... Zelensky is with you ... well, just like Vinokur ... almost ... By the way, congratulations, today you donated Donbass not only de facto, but also de jure ...
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    123 (123) 4 October 2019 16: 21
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    I had "Electronics", massive ones, but these are the features of the model, they were shockproof and dustproof. I confirm, “Montana” didn’t roll around, except that it lost by the set of melodies. It is necessary, by the way, to rummage, maybe even alive. winked
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    Digital error (Eugene) 30 September 2019 22: 03
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    ... they brought all the abomination from the West.

    You do not agree - the performers and successors of their work have names and surnames.
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      Sapsan136 (Sapsan136) 1 October 2019 00: 10
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      Alas, I have to agree with you, sadly ...
  • Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2019 09: 32
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    Yes, the incorrect statement of the question in the article ....
    The bottom line is not to catch up with someone. The bottom line is to stop stealing ....
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    semen (syoma) 30 September 2019 17: 36
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    ... strive to catch up with the PRC.

    - you can strive, you can’t catch up.
  • Savigne Offline
    Savigne 30 September 2019 20: 26
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    Chinese economic power: should we strive to catch up with China?

    Who knows what YOU need. We do not know who YOU ​​are.
    And Russia (the 21st economy of the world) for a start would be nice to catch up with Israel.
    Then Mexico.
    Then Sweden.
    And only then look around and impudently encroach on 17th place in the world and the economy of Belgium.
    But Russia does not need to think about China. The Chinese economy is 8,38 times larger than the Russian economy. This is a completely different dimension, a different level.

    ... but already China is the main rival of the United States of America in economic terms.

    The United States has no economic rivals for a long time, about 80 years (before that, the British Empire could well compete with the United States). China, which rushed forward in 2018, was stopped and put on the ass exactly - the decline in its economy in only one year amounted to 23,1%. China stayed in second place in the world, but by the end of 2019, Japan should be seen again at this place.
    For the USA, Japan is more convenient than China. Therefore, in the near future, everything with China's economy will most likely be bad.

    At the shipyards of the Celestial Empire aircraft carriers are rapidly being built, the universally recognized “weapon of the aggressor,” which says a lot.

    Traditional dull shnyaga about Squirrel, Strelka and Gagarin.

    After the end of World War II, China was engulfed in a civil war.

    Which, in fact, was deployed by the traditional fifth column of any country, the Chinese Communists, with the support of the USSR.

    It was possible to end it only by 1949, with the active assistance of the USSR.

    In fact, it was not with her, but the Communists, who managed to overthrow the legitimate government of Chiang Kai-shek and seize power in the country.

    The Soviet Union was the first country to recognize the emergence of the People's Republic of China.

    Yeah. The Bolsheviks of the USSR organized a colony for themselves. Only now this "colony" did not at all consider itself a colony of the USSR.
    That is, as usual, the Bolsheviks themselves organized a gimor to themselves and their descendants (not only their own, but also to everyone). This, as with Galicia, Volhynia and other "territorial acquisitions of the USSR."

    ... it was the Soviet specialists who created the industry-forming enterprises in China, having made an impetus for turning the backward agrarian power into an industrial one.

    But why didn’t these experts do the same with the USSR itself? Why was the USSR, as it was a backward and dense UG, so it remained all the way to them? Or does someone think that Belka, Strelka and Gagarin said something about the level of development of the country? For such a welkom towards the space power of the DPRK.

    Exposing the so-called "cult of Stalin" and denigrating the achievements of his period, N. S. Khrushchev de facto headed for the restoration of capitalism, culminating in the events of 1991.

    1. Khrushchev did not even plan to restore anything. He was just trying to take the place of Dzhugashvili. ONLY. But he did not succeed, because the "comrades" from the Politburo wished collective ownership of the people and property of the USSR. Therefore, Khrushchev went to retire.
    2. Khrushchev was flooded in 1964. The USSR grunted from its stupidity in 1991. After 27 years. What did Khrushchev have to do with all this?

    Mao Zedong did not approve of this, to put it mildly, which led to a serious cooling of relations between Beijing and Moscow.

    Bullshit of the Communists of the USSR since the times of the USSR. In fact, there was only one place for Mao Dzhugashvili. It’s just that the power system in the USSR has changed and Mao realized that the USSR can and should be sent to hell.

    The "Cultural Revolution," which they are trying to reduce only to the struggle for power in the CCP.

    The cultural revolution is an ordinary reactionary coup. Similar to the "building of socialism" in the "land of the Soviets."

    His desire to make China “open,” successfully coincided with the desire of the collective West to nurture a counterbalance from the Celestial Empire to the Soviet Union.

    The USSR was then an economic dwarf. Therefore, I did not need any balances. Because of its nullity. But Westerners were not against raising loot on the fantastic performance of the Chinese. And they raised this loot. At the same time, the Chinese also got into something.

    The return of elements of a market economy began, and state control declined.

    State control cannot decrease or increase. It can either increase or decrease (if it changes).
    In addition, a market economy takes place ONLY in bourgeois societies (under the capitalist model of the economy). And China uses a feudal model of the economy. Therefore, private property and a market economy have never been there and never are.

    The de facto restoration of capitalism that Mao feared, while maintaining the communist paraphernalia, took place.

    Yeah The author does not even know the basics of political economy and social science.

    On the one hand, China has made a powerful economic breakthrough, having managed to become a leading power capable of challenging the United States itself.

    See above about this.

    Celestial China now has not only developed agriculture, industry, but also science and high-tech industries.

    Highly developed. Compared to the technology of the Mumba Yumba Indians.

    Average per capita income and life expectancy have grown, modern cities and wonderful roads and railways have been built.

    And the work of the Chinese became unprofitable for the bourgeois. In addition, the Chinese authorities imagined something about themselves there. Therefore, I would not invest in the RMB now. There is a chance to fly into the pipe.

    China has introduced a market economy.

    Is that feuilleton? How can one “introduce a market economy”?
    A market economy and private property is the result of a WINNING bourgeois REVOLUTION. And otherwise, just nothing.

    ... but naturally got a colossal social stratification among the population.

    Yes, in all the OEF, and in the feudal, including, there are sirs, and there are slaves. Moreover, stratification in bourgeois society is always always less than in less developed ones (slaveholding and feudal). Those. bourgeois society is ALWAYS more socially just than primitive.

    1. Digital error Offline
      Digital error (Eugene) 30 September 2019 22: 07
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      ... then look around and defiantly encroach on 17th place in the world.

      The May presidential decree decided - by 2024 - to get into the top 5 economies in the world. It is important, not what you promise, but what the voter likes. And after six years, the majority of voters will not even remember about it. And who will remember and loud give a voice - they will plant drugs (if not a journalist of a foreign media agent).
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        Savigne 30 September 2019 23: 00
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        Quote: DigitalError
        The May presidential decree decided - by 2024 - to get into the top 5 economies in the world.

        1 USA
        2 China
        3 Japan
        4 United Kingdom
        5 Germany
        Who is going to kick out of there?
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          Digital error (Eugene) 30 September 2019 23: 14
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          Quote: Savigne
          Who is going to kick out of there?

          Have you seen the top 5 from below? About from above no one said ...
          And if he did, it’s the same as about the retirement age.