In Turkey, they told on what conditions they will buy the Su-57

Turkish officials and policy more and more often they declare the need to purchase a new Russian Su-57 fighter from Russia if the United States cancels the delivery of the F-35 according to previously reached agreements.




On the sidelines of the IV Meeting of Speakers of Parliaments of Eurasian Countries, the Speaker of the Grand National Assembly, Turkey Mustafa Sentop, said that Ankara does not exclude the possibility of buying Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57.

According to the parliamentarian, Turkey can buy funds for its defense anywhere if it considers this proposal profitable for itself.
The opinion of officials and politicians is shared by Turkish citizens, who say in social networks about the need for closer cooperation between Turkey and Russia.

In their opinion, such cooperation will be beneficial for both countries, and will help to forget about the long-standing hostility of the two states that existed in the past.

Recall that at the end of August, the Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, examined the Russian Su-57 fighter and asked Vladimir Putin whether it was possible to buy it, to which the Russian leader replied in the affirmative.

After this incident, the Turkish president, answering journalists' questions about the possibility of acquiring the Su-35 and Su-57, stated several times that in the event of US refusal to supply F-35s, Ankara would consider Russian fighters as an alternative.
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  1. Igor Pavlovich Offline
    Igor Pavlovich (Igor Pavlovich) 24 September 2019 18: 38
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    The Turks may and will consider the purchase of the SU-57 as an alternative, only where Russia will take engines for the 5th generation aircraft ???
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 24 September 2019 21: 55
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      Where and always. In Rybinsk.
      1. Pishenkov Offline
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 September 2019 23: 17
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        Yes, that’s for sure ... for the time being this product is called "product 30". By the way, theoretically, with the Turks, they can also go along the Indian path, that is, build for them together with them. And there they themselves can and other motors will choose ...
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 25 September 2019 00: 30
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          "Product 30", if I am not mistaken, they are testing, production is planned for the 2020th year. Equipment is usually exported with underestimated characteristics. Perhaps the engine will deliver something in between, better than the AL-41F-1, but worse than the new one (these are just my assumptions). The option with an imported engine, in my opinion, is very unlikely. Similar engines can do in the USA. Can you imagine that the USA, after the scandal with the purchase of the Patriot and S-400 and the refusal to sell the F-35, will suddenly sell engines for the Russian fighter with joyful smiles? I don’t believe it either. Who else can make engines for fighter jets? Britain, I do not remember in Europe (Germany, France, Sweden or in cooperation), however, it doesn’t matter. I did not hear about their available engine with suitable characteristics. Even if he is, they are unlikely to be sold (and the United States will be categorically against it). China still buys engines from us. More on the horizon, suitable suppliers are not visible.
          1. Pishenkov Offline
            Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 09: 13
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            In everything you are right. BUT .. capitalism is an amazing thing! During WW2, Americans delivered goods to Hitler through neutral gaskets, the Russian Federation sells rocket engines and strategic raw materials to their direct enemy - the United States, and pays in its currency ... So, if in the end American or British will be on Turkish Su-57 engines, you know, I won’t be surprised at all ... Globalization, her mother ... recourse
            1. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 25 September 2019 17: 11
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              I doubt that rocket engines are still not supplied to the army. Cooperation in the military sphere of military technology is excluded. We are for them the worst competitor and "sworn partner". Moreover, there is doubt that they can do suitable, except, as knowledgeable people suggest, in Ufa. I didn’t hear anything like this about the British, the Americans didn’t roll the F-35 engine with ours. F-22 has not been produced for a long time, it was not exported, and it is not a fact that their installation is generally possible. Maybe elementary in size does not fit. Everything will be OK. They will both test and release.
      2. sgrabik Offline
        sgrabik (Sergei) 25 September 2019 11: 21
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        The second stage engine for the Su-57 will be produced in Ufa at UMPO, it is almost ready and tested, its serial production will be launched in the next two years, despite whoever says anything about this !!!
    2. Anchonsha Offline
      Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 26 September 2019 17: 34
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      Yes, they already are. Now you need to run in the Su-57 and eliminate or supplement everything that does not suit the glider or avionics. As well as bringing new engines to planned performance.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 September 2019 12: 17
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    They are bargaining, and URA - our cheeks are already swelling with might and main every day.
    If they take it, it’s cheap, for our loans, and they will give it to tangerines ....

    And then the US will be resold to study ....

    With whom Erdogan to fight stealth fighters? Only with us, and with Iran, the Kremlin, Israel will not give offense ...
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 25 September 2019 16: 57
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      Take it easy with your tangerines. Three months before the New Year, you will have time to buy.

      With whom Erdogan to fight stealth fighters? Only with us, and with Iran, the Kremlin, Israel will not give offense ...

      You have interesting logic. Why exactly with us and Iran? We, like, Tsargrad are not going to storm. During an attempted coup, Erdogan’s plane, under the protection of air defense, stayed out, if I’m not mistaken, he flew over Crimea. Maybe in such a case he needs fighter jets? What problems do they have with Iran? Even if they fight with Iran, what do we have to do with it? Do we have a defense contract with Iran? If you fight with us and Iran, then what does it have to do with it

      Israel will not give offense.

      Generally,

      ... mixed in a bunch, people, horses ...

      Did you want to say something? The only thing that I understood is that you are categorically against trading on credit and for some reason are sure that they are returned exclusively by tangerines. Mandarins come to us from Abkhazia, tomatoes from Turkey)))))
      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 26 September 2019 10: 42
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        Wah! Well done, straight laid out on the shelves.

        1) The authors unanimously write that our deliveries are often paid by our own loans + cx products. And the Turkish mandarins are known, and were recently, after the coup. Tomatoes? Let them be.
        And, by the way, likes to write off loans to the Russian Federation ... or without% .... purely by accident.
        2) And with whom else to fight Turkey? NATO country? Near Syria (we, Iran, Israel, Egypt, Greece, US forces + the Caucasus).
        We look at the story - who shot down our planes? Americans, Greeks, Egyptians, Jews - no. Syrians, terrorists, Turks - yes. Erdogan was caught in connection with terrorism - yes.
        So who will try to catch modern stealth? If he suddenly remembers his friends - terrorists?
        3) "Flew over the Crimea" - did not know. I'll see.
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 26 September 2019 15: 32
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          Glad you liked it)))))
          1. What are they paying off with loans - maybe this is not so scary? There are at least some interest on loans - no one is dripping, but it’s just that they will lie in the “capsule”. Debts were written off mainly by the still old USSR. Go over the list of "forgiven": Afghanistan, Tanzania, Benin, Mali, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar, Guinea, Chad, Yemen, Syria, Libya. What is the probability of getting debts from them? And not only Russia wrote off debts.
          I’ll see Turkish tangerines, I’ll definitely try)))
          2. Why is it necessary to fight? Suddenly they are not going to? And the fact that a NATO member does not give any guarantee that they will not clash with the Greeks. Cyprus was never divided, and the Turks near it also gathered to produce gas. I won’t get to the war, but they’ll shout loudly.
          And not so long ago, the good Obama wanted Erdogan in the footsteps of Gaddafi to drive away such a "flock of comrades" in this very NATO. Having quarreled with Putin, the next time Erdogan will have no place to blame.
          3. There the fighters were raised, the residence of Erdogan was fired upon (or they wanted to fire, I do not remember exactly), so he waited for them under the cover of air defense. I came across information that traveled over the Crimea))))).
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 27 September 2019 09: 04
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            1) About the debts of the USSR have long figured out.
            Now debts are written off already by the Russian Federation. Not so much as the USSR and the Russian Federation are more potent ...

            2) Now the hybrid war is fashionable. Someone flies in, smacks, flies away. Type of stealth.
            In Greece, now everything has died down, but in Syria and the Kurds - no.
            3) Looked at the number of coups, coups, and small coups in Turkey ....
            You can, of course, blame everything on the United States, but only in the cheers of the media ... But what did Erdogan want, working with terrorists?
            4) I came across that I did not travel.
            In the 16th he was in the Crimea, neither saw him nor the cover aircraft ....
            He probably didn’t wait for me))))
            1. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 27 September 2019 21: 56
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              The moderator wrote to me here, advised me to write shorter comments. Break into parts)))))
              And what kind of debts is Russia writing off now? To be honest, I'm not in the know. I picked up a couple of statues, obviously not of the "Pro-Putin" content. Such a “mouthpiece of Putin’s propaganda,” as the Air Force hints, is that besides the debts of the USSR, they write off fresh debts of Belarus and the Central Asian republics. In the list they have Kyrgyzstan - 500 million.

              https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-41430127

              "Gazeta.ru" is indignant and displeased with everything, but does not provide specific data.

              https://www.gazeta.ru/business/2019/08/19/12586657.shtml?updated

              Since this bothers you so much, you are probably aware of all the details. Enlighten, please, with all the details, then we will discuss both the amounts and the reasons for the write-off.
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2019 08: 55
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                Well you give. I will not search, but recently I wrote off in large numbers to a number of African countries, less to Latin America, including - Venezuela. It was like in Asia, but I can’t vouch.
                1. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 1 October 2019 01: 24
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                  Africa and Latin America wrote off the debts of the USSR, and in Asia too, with the exception of the "Central Asian republics." About the "new Russian" did not hear. I think that about debts - this is a common myth, such as, for example, that there are no roads in Russia.
                  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 October 2019 09: 02
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                    They were massively in the news about a year ago. 100%.
                    Negroes - several countries, Venezuela for sure, some other little thing from Asia, such as Myanmar ...
                    There Kadyrov announced jihad about 3 years ago ...
                    1. 123 Offline
                      123 (123) 1 October 2019 16: 25
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                      In Venezuela, fresh:

                      https://tass.ru/politika/6948376

                      If I am not mistaken, there was a restructuring, a deferment in the payment of the main debt, interest was paid. We are not talking about decommissioning. The country is in a difficult economic situation, but the potential is huge. Look at some oil reserves, plus a militarily convenient location. In Myanmar, as far as I remember, the debts were still Soviet. The country is also not rich. Take a look at the “Military Acceptance in Myanmar” leisure - a general impression of the country
                      and selling arms gives.
                      In addition, debt relief is a global practice. In 2013, the “Paris Club” of the same Myanmar wrote off 6 “green lard”. The prospect of scratching back such debts is very vague, and additional agreements and contracts are usually written off.

                      There Kadyrov announced jihad about 3 years ago ..

                      Ramzan is difficult to blame for eloquence, pondering and oratory, in this case, passed by. yes
                      I think they explained to him where he was wrong, and the statements became more balanced, the speech was epic, especially the introduction (20:00).



                      To get into someone else's conflict is hardly a balanced decision. And what really happened? Here is Europe:



                      Here we have:

                      https://www.ntv.ru/video/1513141/
                      1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 October 2019 09: 03
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                        1) You are mistaken. The news was - someone was simply written off.
                        Naturally, for the sake of some other benefits. As, for example, in Venezuela. Perhaps, they immediately gave new loans, or in return for certain preferences, as in Iran or Syria, but this is already among themselves.
                        2) According to Myanmar - they, not them, but were written off to someone in Asia. They were just at the hearing.
                        3) With the debts of the USSR, everyone has long since resolved the issue. The very last ones were decided somewhere in 2000-2005, as I recall. You can’t remember, just scold all sorts of French and Japanese.
                        4) Military acceptance in Myanmar - looked part, cool - with bamboo train instead of grenade launchers. Type small, but toothy.
                        5) Everything is getting away with Kadyrov, I agree.
                      2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 2 October 2019 09: 07
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                        Looked at your links. These are already fresh debts.
                        And those were written off about 2-3 years ago, before the unrest, as I remember.
                        Maybe before that there was a series of write-offs, but I do not collect news, only my own memory ...
            2. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 27 September 2019 22: 07
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              The trendy now is the "hybrid war." Someone flies in, smacks, flies away. Type of stealth.

              Do you really think it is possible that the Turks, as soon as they get the SU-57, hoping that they will not be noticed, will immediately “fly in, smear in, fly away”? Yes, do not tell. laughing
              I don’t even want to discuss such assumptions. In addition, complete invisibility is a myth.
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2019 09: 01
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                Myth. However, with some truth.
                According to VO: a conventional fighter is seen by others for 300-400 km, stealth - for 150-100 km.
                those. stealth: 1) chooses for himself - where to fly, where to attack; 2) it is already detected at the turn of the launch of long-range missiles - 100 km; 3) is used as an invisible passive reconnaissance radar for aiming foreign missiles.
                Our military (read) - this is confirmed in an interview.
                1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                  Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2019 09: 03
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                  For us - it’s unlikely at once from the SU. And according to the allies - the Syrians, Iranians, PMCs - completely. The Israelis beat with the usual F. And nothing.
                  For us, rather, ordinary F will be smacked. Perhaps, on the tip of the SU.
            3. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 27 September 2019 22: 23
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              You can, of course, blame everything on the United States, but only in the cheers of the media ...

              You are right, you cannot trust in all media. Let's see what we know. The "backbone" of the leadership and coup participants was the Air Force. They are all studying in the USA. They flew from the Incirlik base (there citizens "dwell"). Citizen Gulen lives in the States. Three coincidences is a regularity. What can you object to this version? Just a belief in the infallibility of the Americans? Do they have an impeccable reputation and never prepared coups?

              And what did Erdogan want, collaborating with terrorists?

              That is, if Erdogan, in your opinion, is cooperating with terrorists, can a coup be arranged? You have interesting logic. The Americans have nothing to do with it, and if so, does Erdogan need it? By the way, they also support terrorists. In your opinion, should Trump prepare a coup? The topic of recognizing organizations as terrorist is slippery and confusing. Some consider Hezbollah to be terrorists, others not. Turks consider Kurds to be terrorists, the rest are not. Kiev screams that there are terrorists in the Donbass, and no one, not even a single Ukrainian court, recognizes them like that.
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2019 09: 09
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                1) But he didn’t say anything about the coup. I just looked at how many there were. Conclusion - the usual thing. And if there are putschists, then they have money and allies ..., incl. USA and Arabs. Anyway, they won’t pass by.

                2) If at the same time with the terrorists, then this creates an atmosphere, changes the rules of the game. Like, you can do everything. What is worse than others with green dressings? Any putsch becomes more likely.
            4. 123 Offline
              123 (123) 27 September 2019 23: 07
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              I came across that I did not travel.
              In the 16th he was in the Crimea, did not see either him or the cover aircraft ....
              He probably didn’t wait for me))))

              I can’t say that this event took place, there’s nothing to confirm. Information slipped briefly, literally in one phrase, where - I do not remember. In my opinion, it fits into the logic of events. What Russia warned Erdogan - it is known, no one is trying to refute. If warned, why not help? I have believed. According to the news at that time, they generally showed that he circled over Istanbul.



              As for me, not everything fits together. In the country, the coup, leaders and the backbone of the rebels are Air Force personnel. Erdogan’s palace and a demonstration on a bridge in Istanbul are fired from the air, and he is circling himself .... and the plane is being tracked on the site .... and no one is knocking down ..... Doesn't this seem strange to you?

              In the 16th he was in the Crimea, did not see either him or the cover aircraft.

              Taking off my hathi, you have excellent eyesight. wink Do you see all planes in Crimea? Yes, even at night?
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 30 September 2019 09: 16
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                1) fly away during a coup Ukraine is a witness.
                2) in the news - not circled, but simply flew from the outskirts closer to the control center.
                3) and the fighters allegedly tried to intercept, but something prevented (contradictory).
                4) Crimea is big. Seen and heard only in Sevastopol ....
                5) Those who know just look at sites with aircraft locations. I didn’t meet with them about the flight to Crimea.
                1. 123 Offline
                  123 (123) 1 October 2019 04: 00
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                  1. It is fraught to believe good and honest Western friends, Yanukovych will confirm. yes
                  2. Please look again, (5:04) "literally begins to wind circles." Is this very different from circling? what
                  3 - 4. In my opinion, we argue over minor details.
                  5. I already wrote that I did not find confirmation, and I can not say that the fact was the case.
                  It seems strange to me the fact that the presidential plane can be tracked simply on the site, especially during the coup.
                  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 1 October 2019 08: 46
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                    In something you are right. Nice to chat with an informed smart person.
  3. alexey alexeyev_2 (Alexey Alekseev) 26 September 2019 08: 27
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    The Turkish rams have beguiled ... They all say under what conditions they will buy ... But you need to think - under what conditions they will be sold to them ... GDP - a sparrow shot ... You won’t spend it on the chaff ...