A look from Germany: non-Russians defeated Hitler

Germany, the richest country in the European Union, is often cited as an example for Russians as a standard of life in the West. Is everything really smooth there, the portal told Ru_Open Our compatriot Vladislav, who married a German, and in recent years lives and studies in Germany.




Local features


After 21 hours, trade ceases: all shops and pharmacies are closed. If you got something, wait until the morning. They didn’t stock up on time, and the stomach rumbles from hunger - the next time you go to the supermarket early. By the way, as in the United States, without a prescription from a doctor in a pharmacy you can’t buy anything except aspirin and cough tablets.

About the Germans


Stereotypes in this regard do not lie, the Germans plow at work, like horses. No breaks, unmotivated "coffee breaks." Everyone is very polite and smiling. Going into a bar or another grim place, it is customary to greet everyone, leaving - say goodbye. But at the same time, a German can easily call the police if the neighbor, in his opinion, has a too loud television. Vladislav is trying to determine the difference between the Germans and the Russians:

What is the difference between Russian and German? Russians live by concepts, Germans live by law. They follow the letter of the law, they know their rights, and the concept of humanity is completely absent for them.


Cultural differences


The main Russian holidays - New Year, March 8 and February 23 - are not in favor here. January 2, everyone is already going to work. If a German has invited a guest to his place, then you should not count on him being fed and drunk. All edible and drink will need to be taken with you.

Attitude to Russians and Putin


Most Germans have a normal attitude towards visitors from Russia, but some of them in the correct form begin to avoid subsequent communication. The influence of anti-Russian propaganda, concentrated on the personality of President Putin, is largely affected. After the events of 2014, the inhabitants of Germany (and not only them) were told what Putin is a bad, almost the worst person on Earth, because of which there are only troubles. However, gradually in Germany the agenda has changed. Now the media is explaining that the Russian president is doing a lot of good for Germany, and the general attitude from negative has changed to respectful.

The truth about the Great Patriotic War


All Russians know that the Third Reich was defeated by the USSR, and it was the red flag that was hung over the Reichstag. But modern Germans think otherwise. So, Vladislav was shocked to learn that at the Museum of the History of World War II there was no mention of the participation of Russian troops in the defeat of Hitler. Her husband calmly answered this as follows:

This is a completely different story.


In general, “not Russians won the Great Patriotic War” in the view of the inhabitants of Germany of the 21st century.

Inconvenient truth


In Germany there are a lot of migrants. And they get priority over the locals in everything. For example, if there is a place in the school, then the child from the family of migrants, but not the Germans, will be the first to receive it. Tolerance.

Even more surprising is the debunking of the myths about universal luxury European pensions made by Vladislav:

No matter what we are told in Russia about the fact that in Europe and around the world all people have pensions and that pensioners can travel and so on, now people cannot even pay for some basic and vital things.


It is also curious that the vast majority of German citizens do not have their own housing, preferring rented accommodation.

Pleasant moments


But Germany would not have been Germany if there hadn’t been a branded "ordnung" here. The streets are clean, for a thrown cigarette butt a fine of 100 euros. Everywhere there are free toilets, special machines, where dog breeders can take bags to clean up their pets.

This was seen by our compatriot in modern Germany. According to her, she learned from the Germans that everything needed to be achieved on its own, and not look for workarounds for easy ways.
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  1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 24 September 2019 18: 14
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    By the way, as in the United States, without a prescription from a doctor in a pharmacy you can’t buy anything except aspirin and cough tablets.

    Perhaps she does not know, it has become so everywhere and not only at their vaunted whales.

    and the stomach rumbles from hunger

    Here their vaunted west, even there is nothing to eat, would stay with us, eat as it should and no time schedule, this would not hurt. This is generally something, on her part, she could have words for this, it’s better to pick up.

    Germans plow at work like horses.

    Just like everyone else, this is the whole point of the work. If you don’t plow, you won’t get any money.

    Everyone is very polite and smiling, going to a bar or another lavish institution, it is customary to greet everyone, leaving, saying goodbye.

    Just like ours.

    Vladislav is trying to determine the difference between the Germans and the Russians:

    On an empty stomach, in which she constantly growls from hunger, she can’t do it laughing

    Here is a completely different story about WWII.

    Naturally, minke whales have long been in their own way, it was rewritten.

    According to her, she learned from the Germans that everything needed to be achieved on its own, and not look for workarounds for easy ways.

    She should be ashamed to exchange her homeland for the sake of that country, which is controlled by minke whales.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 12: 17
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      ... the country that is controlled by minke whales.

      Writes a representative of the country where the loans in the "bucks" take / give. Another question is who, where and who is under control. tongue
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 September 2019 18: 51
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        Quote: Bitter
        ... the country that is controlled by minke whales.

        Writes a representative of the country where the loans in the "bucks" take / give. Another question is who, where and who is under control. tongue

        The representative of the country writes ...

        You can simply say: an emigrant. wink

        ... where loans in "bucks" take / give.

        In Euro, and not in bucks, you feel the difference. lol

        Another question is who, where and who is under control.

        It is under control at striped yes
        1. Bitter Offline
          Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 22: 20
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          Done under control, in striped yes

          Do you mean Americans? Perhaps you are right.
          The Americans oversee the government, and long-term economic ties are very much tied to exports to the United States, hence some imbalance in the expression of their interests.
          If Mikhailo Sergeich had at one time forced the mutual withdrawal of all the allied forces from Germany, everything would have been somewhat different.
          There was an opportunity, but his goal was different - with perestroika and development, as it turned out, had nothing to do.
          The Russian flag is also striped, so now also are the minke whales-imperialists and capitalists.
          Horseradish radish is not sweeter.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 26 September 2019 12: 50
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            If Mikhailo Sergeich had at one time forced the mutual withdrawal of all the allied forces from Germany, everything would have been somewhat different.

            There it was necessary not to push through the withdrawal of all forces from Deutsch, but to leave their force grouping.

            The Russian flag is also striped, so now also are the minke whales-imperialists and capitalists.

            They all go in one strip, that's why they have minke whales, and here each color has its own meaning and symbols.

            Horseradish radish is not sweeter.

            The amount of horseradish, which is now grown, is now possible to challenge these words.
            1. Bitter Offline
              Bitter (Gleb) 27 September 2019 00: 23
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              There it was necessary not to push through the withdrawal of all forces from Deutsch, but to leave their force grouping.

              This was not discussed, but unilaterally - it was universal stupidity. wassat
              Americans declared at the time that they would need at least 15 years, and Mikhailo Sergeevich decided to show them an example of how to do it quickly. lol And he could also chew a snot, and there you look, or a padish would die, or something else. Now we have what is. hi

              They all go in one strip, that's why they have minke whales, and here each color has its own meaning and symbols.

              Oh, yes they will also sing and tell you for each strip and for each star. drinks

              The amount of horseradish, which is now grown, is now possible to challenge these words.

              Not a fact, in Russia nothing has yet risen, even flowers can not be seen.
              So far, only rainbow dust. request
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 27 September 2019 12: 57
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                This was not discussed, but unilaterally - it was universal stupidity

                So it was necessary to promote it

                Americans once declared

                They said a lot of things and said in order to defend their interest.

                And he could also chew a snot,

                So chew, if you have such a desire, if you take few snot from a neighbor.

                Now we have what is. hi

                Not happy with the alignment, which is now there. I would be better off if our units were there.

                Oh, yes they will also sing and tell you for each strip and for each star. drinks

                They only do this as they sing and fill in what is not there.

                for every strip and for every star. drinks

                I’m not only not going to drink for it, I won’t even raise a glass, you really are a disgrace, you found someone to drink for, it should be a shame. Better drink and raise a toast, for our people and for our great country. And for our great flag



                Not a fact, in Russia nothing has yet risen, even flowers can not be seen.
                So far, only rainbow dust.



                All this beauty is ours.
                1. Bitter Offline
                  Bitter (Gleb) 30 September 2019 21: 06
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                  It was necessary...

                  So they suggested how many times a “friend and friend” flew to Berlin with a hangover only asking: “Helmut, I need money, a lot of money!” Until now, jokes are told by the people.
                  Now he is promoting the monuments, it turns out that a huge statesman was.

                  They said a lot of things and said ...
                  .... this is just what they do, how they sing and fill in what is not there.

                  Of course, they stated a lot, the fact is that they managed to defend their interests and advance a little.
                  So

                  ... it would be better if our units were there ... "

                  but you have to chew .... both yours and your neighbors.

                  You are a disgrace, I found someone to drink for ...

                  - It's me for them, the right is ridiculous. wassat You misunderstood this smile.
                  I recalled the occasion of the joke:

                  On the one hand, you can certainly take a bottle of vodka and go to visit them. And on the other hand, if there is a bottle, then why go somewhere.
                  drinks
                  About flags there is no desire for me to raise disputes, as well as about hymns.
                  And about dust, too, was more likely rhetorically. hi
                  1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 1 October 2019 13: 11
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                    I have nothing to correspond with that person who raises a glass for minke whales, and not for our citizens. So, now you can cry for each strip. crying
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      Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 21: 15
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      I once wrote that it’s better to lose with a smart than with a fool to find. This is me regarding the swagger about the USA. Remember who after the war was in the sphere of influence of the USA, those all successful and developed countries of Germany, Japan and South Korea, who fell under the "Russian boot", were able to get out of it only in the late 80s and overruled from " Russian camp to German. " Here is such a simple life, countries and the wife left the stupor and adventurer!
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      Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 21: 36
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      I have many friends in Germany, former compatriots from Kazakhstan. For example, my b. neighbor, he and she are born in 61, two children, all work. They have 3 houses, they built themselves, and 2 apartments are bought and rented out. They are provided for everyone, travel a lot, both parents and children with grandchildren. I know many other exes, almost all have their own houses or apartments, there are almost no losers in the circle of acquaintances.
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    Port 24 September 2019 18: 17
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    There everyone is convinced that Hitler was defeated by hegemordor, and the USSR dropped atomic bombs on Japan. With a lie and a false perversion of the history of the Second World War, the hegemordor is trying to destroy the last vestiges of the Nazis' self-preservation, they believe that it will be easier to incite these idiots to Russia again.
    1. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 12: 30
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      There everyone is sure that Hitler ...

      For all, you should not sign, it’s uncultured or something like that. request
  3. Tatyana Krechetova (Tatyana Krechetova) 24 September 2019 20: 05
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    Today all day I come across this article under different names. It turns out that some Vlad has discovered America for us! Everyone has long been aware of everything, only the laziest one has not yet been to Germany, if the person himself was not in Germany, then someone from his acquaintances was there. Presented directly some amazing discovery!
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    A.Lex (Secret information) 24 September 2019 20: 20
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    The fact that this girl married a German, and not a compatriot, says ALREADY that she is just looking for easy ways. And just do not need me to sing about "fatal love, which knows no boundaries and that it is evil." An ordinary girl in Russia marries precisely in Russia and does not try to escape from the difficulties of life, fleeing over a hill, thinking that "there I will certainly live like a princess!"
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    2. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 September 2019 21: 21
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      Well, that's right, probably not worth it. People often meet and even get married not because of easy ways, but for completely different reasons. And love happens, I don’t know, how about fatal, but it happens ... wink And "ordinary boys from Russia" also sometimes marry foreigners, and not at all to "escape from the difficulties of life" winked And then sometimes, by the way, even everything happens quite the opposite, with these very difficulties. I know for myself wink
      Another observation is that people who live abroad in mixed families with local ones are most often more immersed in the reality of the country. Since Russian families, or Turkish, or Arab, etc. in the same Germany, and in other countries, most often communicate with a limited circle of immigrants of their nationality, and they only interact with Aborigines at work, in government agencies and on other necessary occasions. Therefore, their view of the country is specific.
      BUT, and in the described girl it is also, it should be noted, specific. Rather, I would say something stereotyped specifically for Russians and untruthful. Therefore, it’s even strange that her husband is German ... Although maybe he is German only by passport ...
      According to my observations of Germany, where I also lived and worked, and now I am very often: 1) the truth is that Germany is not the same, and the salaries and pensions are not the same, 2) the truth is more or less about migrants (black ), Russian, Ukrainians, etc. it does not concern belay 3) the truth is that after 21.00:2, on Sundays and holidays, everything does not work. Everything else is +/- nonsense - and people are different, and the attitude is different, and the order is not the same, and in the XNUMXMV museums there is everything as it should ...
      With all due respect to the author, the information is far from accurate. Although, this is not his thoughts, but how someone else sees it, and sees it rather one-sidedly and inadequately ...
      This is in my opinion, again ... wink
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      Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 21: 22
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      Strange judgments, Zhirik once betrayed that more than a million women of reproductive age gave way to Russia and they must be returned. How he plans it, with this question to him. The question is different, in Russia itself, Russian women give birth from highlanders, from migrants from Central Asia, from the Chinese. So take up the morality of those irresponsible ladies who strive to jump out over the hill.
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        321 (321) 9 November 2019 23: 56
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        Do you provide moral education tools?)
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    Savigne 24 September 2019 20: 52
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    The truth about the Great Patriotic War

    In the Soviet-German war (the Bolsheviks for some reason called it Patriotic, and even Great) there were no winners or losers. It ended on September 24.09.1941, 2 with overflowing into another war, WW08.05.1945 on the German Eastern Front. And 2/XNUMX/XNUMX was over already XNUMXMB, and not WWII.

    All Russians know that the Third Reich defeated the USSR,

    This is "false knowledge." Propaganda, if easier. The Third Reich was defeated by the Anti-Hitler coalition. In which there were essentially three main actors (in Europe). Judging by the division of the fruits of victory, Dzhugashvili agreed that the contribution of the USSR to the common cause was approximately one third of the main actors.

    In general, “not Russians won the Great Patriotic War” in the view of the inhabitants of Germany of the 21st century.

    Russians (and Russia, if that) did not participate in it at all.
    But one of the main winners of the Reich was the USSR. Therefore, former fellow citizens have something to do with the victory of the Anti-Hitler coalition over the Reich. The participants in the war are most directly related to it. But now they are almost gone.

    It is also curious that the vast majority of German citizens do not have their own housing, preferring rented accommodation.

    This is the most convenient and comfortable way of life. In Russia, this will also be so. When the society will develop to the level of the bourgeois. True, it is not clear when it will be.
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      akarfoxhound 24 September 2019 21: 20
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      A miracle from a parallel world? laughing There is nothing even to talk about your Narikovsky nonsense about the war, only the orderlies of the disease from the propaganda will calm down. But about removable housing, that "it's convenient and comfortable" really neighing !!! Those. wealthy people of the West, having their own housing, this is a brake, do not understand anything in comfort. And the rogue, like you, is the cream of bourgeois society !!!
      Sick, come back through the looking glass! fool
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 September 2019 21: 42
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        Yeah ... They would love their home, but they can't. And despite the fact that mortgages are at 2-4%, buying an apartment, for example, in a large German city where there is work, is almost impossible for an ordinary working person of an average level. It was like this until the beginning of the 90s, and then it ended ... Some people don’t eat. Therefore, quite a lot of young people about 30 live with their parents.
        You can buy cheap on the periphery, but there is no work there ... An enchanted circle, in short ... Europe is not the same as it was ...
        And about happiness in a rented apartment, this is so, for complacency. Homeless people too, such as under the bridge and well, freedom, same, fresh air ... laughing
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          Savigne 24 September 2019 22: 35
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          Quote: Pyshenkov
          They would love their housing, but they cannot. And despite the fact that mortgages are at 2-4%, buying an apartment, for example, in a large German city where there is work, is almost impossible for an ordinary working person of an average level. It was like this before the beginning of the 90s, and then it ended ... Some people don’t eat. Therefore, quite a lot of young people about 30 live with their parents.
          You can buy cheap on the periphery, but there is no work there ... An enchanted circle, in short ... Europe is not the same as it was ...

          Where to start sobbing sobbing?
          With the fact that Germany is not the best place on earth, I agree. But not the worst.

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          And about happiness in a rented apartment, this is so, for complacency.

          Yes, no, with rented housing, life in a settled country is easier. And much more mobile.
          Removable housing in apartment buildings, this is the future of mankind. As well as rental household property (cars, etc.).
          Private housing and the same cars will also be. But it will be difficult housing and difficult cars.
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            vvnab (Vitali) 25 September 2019 09: 55
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            Removable housing in apartment buildings, this is the future of mankind.

            There will be no humanity in such a "future" ...))
            It will degenerate very soon (which, in fact, is already happening in your Europe). Humans do not breed under such conditions.
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              Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 10: 26
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              ... multiply, even as ... but, how could it be so culturally said ... not quite what we need. Not those with whom the future of Europe will be European. So, probably, to keep within the law.
              But, in my opinion, this is approximately the same in large cities of the Russian Federation. Of course, it’s not so deplorable as in “Europe”, but it is developing in the same direction ... sad
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              Savigne 25 September 2019 11: 21
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              Quote: vvnab
              Humans do not breed under such conditions.

              Just in case, I want to remind you that almost all housing in cities in the USSR was rented. And fellow citizens rented his state. And nothing, multiplied somehow.
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                Locksmith (Sergei) 29 September 2019 15: 02
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                Quote: Savigne
                Just in case, I want to remind you that almost all housing in cities in the USSR was rented. And fellow citizens rented it from the state.

                Why do not you continue? That the rent (such as rent) was in the region of 2-3 rubles, without payment for water, garbage disposal, overhaul, and other rubbish. That ZhEK had the opportunity to call a tractor to clear paths and plumbing, they exchanged faience for free (just for Magarych). That the electricity cost 4 kopecks and paid less than a ruble per month, and the salary was not less than 120 rubles for young engineers, and for a skilled worker under 300, that a qualified aircraft designer received 500-700 rubles, why not write anything further? laughing
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                  Savigne 1 October 2019 00: 10
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                  Quote: Locksmith
                  That the rent (such as rent) was around 2-3 rubles.

                  Why not 2-3 kopecks?
                  Let’s, if you’re already making it up, then make it bigger.
                  Only the light took 6 rubles / month. 150 kW / month (Soviet technology, including light bulbs, was terribly voracious) x 4 kopecks / kW.

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                  ... without payment for water, garbage collection ...

                  Where have you seen this?

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                  ..kapremont and other nonsense.

                  That is, you want to own property (in the USSR, the apartments were not owned, but rented from the state), but do not pay for its overhaul?
                  Cleverly.

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                  ... plumbers changed earthenware for free (just on maryarych).

                  And again, the apartments were rented from the state. Here is the state. plumbers and served them.

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                  That electricity cost 4 kopecks and paid less than a ruble per month.

                  Even 1 rub per month, it is 25 kW.
                  When did you wind up such consumption? Or, as befits a fellow citizen, twisted the counter?

                  Quote: Locksmith
                  ... and the salary was not less than 120 r - from young engineers.

                  From 110 "dirty."

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                  ..a for a skilled worker under 300.

                  And with a qualified engineer under 200. That’s why socialism collapsed - from the fact that there was no point in learning and then tearing up in production.

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                  .. that a qualified aircraft designer received 500-700 p.

                  How many people were there throughout the USSR? Will you also count the cosmonauts?
                  The average salary in the USSR was 200 rubles. And this is taking into account the cops, gebni and the military, which were just an astronomical amount, and they received fabulously a lot for the civilian level (twice as much, at least).
                  Relatively inexpensive was transport, rent, and perhaps everything (a still dated set of products, which is described below).
                  Everything else was VERY expensive, especially the clothes. Furniture was expensive (also in short supply). Cars were just unbelievably expensive.
                  The food was expensive, but there were products that dated. They didn’t manage to live on them for a long time (in general, Soviet products, except special shops, which went to special distributors, were of terrible quality), but it was not easy to swell from hunger.
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          Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 10: 35
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          ... in a large city in Germany, where there is work, an ordinary working person of an average level is almost beyond the power. "

          Well, yes, of course, the ordinary hard worker of the Porsche factory with a pay of 3500-7000 is not at all possible. laughing
          Maybe he just does not want to burden himself with a mortgage for the next 40 years?
          Maybe he dreams of a house in the Alps or the sea ??
          Why buy housing in an industrial area?
          More precisely would be:

          ... a person of an average level, without a specialized education, who is capable of everything, but can not do anything.

          Not everyone has villas and houses to own, someone and dvushka or odnushka (own) live. On a canopy and a hat.
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            Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 10: 48
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            ... forget about such salaries of "ordinary hard workers", even at the car factory. They get 1500-2200 euros on average. Moreover, not knowing how long they will receive it at all. Constantly reducing places, therefore people are afraid to take a mortgage. A lot of industries were exported to the East, so in Zap. There is an overabundance of skilled workers in Europe, and East Europeans are taking places for understated salaries. 3500 euros at such a plant gets someone like the head of the workshop, and 5-7 thousand, perhaps the chief engineer ...
            And for an ordinary German worker today it’s not like a house in the Alps, but a vacation once a year on the seas for happiness. Wake up. Already not the 1s in the yard. Everything that was then (and it really was) was long over ...
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              Savigne 25 September 2019 11: 42
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              Quote: Pyshenkov
              ... forget about such salaries of "ordinary hard workers", even at the car factory. They get 1500-2200 Euros on average. Moreover, not knowing how long they will receive it at all.

              And again, upon reading you, he was shedding tears all morning, worrying about the German workers. But then he got together, looked at the statistics and immediately got sick of crying.
              Not bad Germans live.
              The average German has a welfare level of 226,6% of the global average.
              He is richer than the average Russian by 12,7 times. And even richer than leaders from among the states that were part of the USSR, Estonians 3,3 times.
              Therefore, the oohs and aahs regarding the "unfortunate Germans" are somehow not entirely clear to me.
              Maybe it’s better to talk about Kazakhstan people? The average Kazakh is 92,9 times poorer than the average German. And it’s scary to say 324,1 times poorer than the average American.
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              Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 11: 57
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              ... forget about such salaries of "ordinary hard workers", even at the car factory. They get 1500-2200 Euros on average.

              At the beginning of a career and after deductions to retirement and other cash registers. I agree!

              Moreover, not knowing how long they will receive it at all. Constantly reducing places, therefore people are afraid to take a mortgage.

              The view from the window, well, in my opinion, people, like frightened savages, are buying up real estate, the impression is that soon something should happen. Censorship for mortgages at +/- 0,9. fellow

              Industries exported a lot to the East ...

              I agree, now they are driving back. Well, or try.

              ... in Zap. There is an overabundance of skilled workers in Europe, and East Europeans are taking places for understated salaries. 3500 euros at such a plant gets someone like the head of the workshop, and 5-7 thousand, perhaps the chief engineer ...

              There is an acute shortage of qualified people, "local" people know the prices and will not work for a penny. Eastern Europeans try to dump and often for a lower salary, but in this marathon they will ultimately lose - health does not last forever, and prices are not Eastern European.
              Of course, in recent months there has been a slight decline in demand, this can be explained by the relaxation of the laws governing the admission of qualified "guest workers" to the country.

              For an ordinary German worker today it’s not like a “house in the Alps”, but a vacation once a year on the seas for happiness.

              I do not agree, everything is just fine here, if we are talking about the average worker with a profession.
              The usual whining about "no money" will not work if you watch this whiner. Look at what he went to the store, etc., how often he flies on vacation and where, or on the weekend he is in a hurry to screw him into a "house in the Alps", or at sea (to whom it is much closer). Example:
              There is a friend who works as a handyman in a small factory (mind you - a handyman).
              Shift work, sometimes hard. He does not speak German very well. It receives on average with night and other supplements up to 7500 per month. He lives in an inexpensive rented apartment and dreams of retiring to his homeland, in Italy.
              There is, of course, the bus driver, who until the age of 37 could not find himself in life and really did not work anywhere, and then so-so. But life, on the other hand, saw and had fun. Now he complains that a pension of only 400 euros has been accrued and that there is no “house in the Alps”.
              So, it happens differently. hi
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                Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 12: 23
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                Well, about the "foreign laborer" with a salary of 7500 E - this, in my opinion, is from the realm of fiction. Either he is lying for something, or the only one in all of Germany, or works in a factory where they just don’t live for a long time ... there is one too, and foreigners work there. Highly qualified people on the pr-ve have about 3000E / month, but there are not many of them, the rest, as I wrote - from 1500 to 2200, at construction sites 2000-2500, or we are talking about different Germanys. wink Since this is the official statistics for the country. I know one bus driver personally, in the city of Hanover, s / n 1300 Euro / month, I worked literally in a private contracting company before the start of this year, but I drove normally around the city, I drove people day and night. After alimony and payment of a communal apartment, there was enough food, sometimes for a vacation, despite the fact that he lived alone, but that's all. In state-owned companies, the same ones drove a salary higher - 1500-1700, and this was well considered. Not a shorter fountain, anyway ...
                Yes, and what should I tell you, you, apparently, yourself there, in Deutschland, and you live ... You will not tell tales to yourself, tea ...
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                  Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 13: 06
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                  ... from the realm of fiction.

                  Not science fiction, I myself saw a tax report. A 35-year-old man trumpets already in one place, this is normal. He lives alone, all deductions on the highest grid, so that after all deductions, he remains clean somewhere around 3500–3700. Well, child support for two children and other gadgets are also present laughing, so it’s also not very chic. The master on the line is young, receives less. lol

                  Highly qualified people on the pr-ve have about 3000E / month.

                  More truly will be - from three. good

                  ... we are talking about different Germany.

                  I don’t want to draw everything in pink, it will be wrong, differently for everyone.
                  The problem of the industry is skilled workers "for rent", there is an ambush from 1500, or even less, even with high qualifications. crying
                  While you are in the clip, then everything is in a bundle. And if it fell out, then it will be difficult to take the same place again.
                  With bus drivers in different ways.
                  Work on public transport. This occupation involves a number of preferences both in the tax system and in other areas. In general, there is an option that many of them have more “net” from “gross”.
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                    Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 22: 40
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                    A man of 35 years old has already trumpeted ...

                    The proof was incorrect, uncle 35 years in a row, from year to year, he chopped off at work.
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        Savigne 24 September 2019 22: 27
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        Quote: akarfoxhound
        .e. wealthy people of the West, having their own housing, this is a brake, do not understand anything in comfort.

        Do not confuse wealthy people and the middle class.
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          akarfoxhound 24 September 2019 23: 28
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          You have a middle class - poor people ??? Kashchenko just weeps for you.
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            Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 10: 09
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            He has a "middle class", to which he himself, it seems, proudly classifies himself, these are proletarians. But not those of the working class, but those of life in flight. laughing But such a "mobile happiness in a rented apartment with everything else for rent" in Russian is called "no stake or yard", and it just does not correlate with the middle class, as it is understood throughout the world.
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              Savigne 25 September 2019 14: 33
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              Quote: Pyshenkov
              ... these are proletarians. But not those of the working class, but those of life in flight.

              You, as always, flashed illiteracy. Actually, the proletarians and the working class are two different things.
              The working class is skilled (at least minimally) workers.
              The proletarians are laborers. Unskilled labor.

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              But such a "mobile happiness in a rented apartment with everything else for hire" in Russian is called "no stake or yard."

              Soviet citizens had no stake or yard. Who were FORCED rent from the state the housing that it deigns to allow them rent from him. This was called "get an apartment / room."
              When a person has the right to choose a leased object, this is not called at all.

              Quote: Pyshenkov
              ... and with the middle class, in its understanding throughout the world, it just does not correlate in any way.

              When a person is free to choose a place for his residence (he can afford it), then this is a representative of the middle class (at least).
              I think you, with your psychology, cannot understand this.
    2. Bitter Offline
      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 12: 23
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      ... false knowledge ...

      You urgently need to change the supplier. hi
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        Savigne 25 September 2019 14: 34
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        Quote: Bitter
        You urgently need to change the supplier.

        I do not advise you what you should do. But I do not need your advice either.
        Essentially have something to say?
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          Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 22: 53
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          Essentially hard to say anything. Reading your comments, literally after a few lines the thought creeps in that something in this alphanumeric soup is wrong. hi
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            Savigne 1 October 2019 22: 54
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            Quote: Bitter
            Essentially hard to say anything.

            Not owning the material, yes, is difficult.

            Quote: Bitter
            Reading your comments, literally after a few lines the thought creeps in that something in this alphanumeric soup is wrong.

            And you drive evil thoughts away. Sometimes it helps.
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      Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 21: 24
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      I agree with you on all positions.
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      321 (321) 10 November 2019 00: 01
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      The next set of cliches that were taken for the absolute truth, and with quite peremptory, but very controversial statements - I don’t even remember about the war, this author is already widely known by this), but to say that ONLY renting a house is comfortable for life is something )))
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 25 September 2019 07: 06
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    Quote: Pyshenkov
    Everything else +/- nonsense - and people are different, and the relationship is different, and the order is not the same, and in the 2MV museums there is everything as it should ...
    With all due respect to the author, the information is far from accurate. Although, this is not his thoughts, but how someone else sees it, and sees it rather one-sidedly and inadequately ...

    Yes, this is a subjective view of a Russian woman. I did a review, putting it on the shelves.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 10: 04
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      This is exactly what I meant. Therefore, just gave his gaze. Also, most likely, subjective ... smile To increase the overall objectivity and the development of pluralism of opinions, so to speak ... smile
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      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 11: 06
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      This is understandable, but you need to go to at least three pharmacies before putting a subjective stamp on everything.
      Each person during his life evaluates the world around him in different ways.
      At least by age, the 16-year-old sees everything a little differently than the 29-year-old or 40, and so on. And there, after all, there is also the level of education, the family, the social environment, the free press and a bunch of other factors.
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 11: 27
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        I agree. But the subjective “stamp” can be delivered even after one “pharmacy” wink , for objectivity, a comparison is already needed ... And there are simply factors of purely objective reality that you can’t get anywhere else - average salaries, taxes, prices for the same real estate and its contents, etc. It does not depend on the views of a person or age, this is this very objective reality. I've personally seen changes in this very objective reality in Europe, including Germany, I have been observing for almost three decades ... And all this is changing, unfortunately, not for the better ... Objectively ... sad and in many ways.
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          Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 13: 13
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          ... average salaries, taxes, prices for the same real estate and its maintenance, etc.

          Average salaries are like the average temperature in a hospital;
          According to statistics, in Germany each citizen has an average of 25000 € in a bank postponed fellow , but in fact a completely different situation. laughing
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            Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 14: 10
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            Average salaries are like the average temperature in a hospital.

            - Yes, but in Germany this is still a much more adequate indicator than in Russia, for example. Still, there is not such a wild difference by region or city / village ... And about 25 thousand euros in the accounts, yes, it's funny ... smile unfortunately funny. In the early 90s, even in the western part, this was, in principle, a standard, in brands only ...
            PS Yes, but if we are talking about "coarse" s / n, then, naturally, they are higher, but a little more than half is obtained from this ...
            1. Bitter Offline
              Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 22: 36
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              Still, not so wild a difference by region or city / village ...

              You will be surprised, but the difference is really palpable. repeat

              ... funny ... unfortunately funny.

              Unfortunately, not for everyone; the gap between the rich and the poor is widening. A very “milking” middle layer is gradually melting. recourse

              ... about the "rough" s / n, then, of course, they are higher, but a little more than half is obtained from this ...

              Wrong. Lonely, divorced people pay taxes to the fullest, and family budgets go on a preferential basis and do not pay anything at all to a certain maximum, or after that they get a deduction from the state back. good The more children in the family, the less taxes. good
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                Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 23: 28
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                Yes, but initially the conversation was about the specific amounts by which it turned out that the Germans today, including the usual "hard workers", are literally in chocolate, and this is far from the case. Yes, they return something to certain categories, but the taxes are that they are removed from the “rough” salary; taxes are far from the largest part. I won’t lie, I don’t know for sure the German bends from the salary today, but in general, this is about the same in the EU - if you take the “rough” for 100%, somewhere up to 40 they are bends - pension, social, insurance, tax, etc. Yes, there is taxation based on family income, yes, it is returned to children, etc.
                But today the problem is that withdrawal from salary and taxes on various things in developed countries are constantly increasing, and the list and volume of what a citizen ultimately receives “back” from the state for paying taxes and other withdrawals is constantly decreasing. This, in turn, leads to an increase in the necessary expenses for the population. For example, various “green” mark-ups for almost all goods, expenses for “green” energy, the introduction of “green” technologies on the basis of the obligation principle, make both goods and energy more expensive. And the consumption of all this by people does not decrease in any way, that is, after the necessary monthly expenses, there remains less and less for that very “beautiful life”. About children, too, everything is not so simple - yes, they return it, it always has been. And this is really help. But the fact that the taxes will be returned to the average working person, all the same, will not cover the real costs of children, if this person wants to grow and develop normally ... I know well, I have four children ...
                With all this, it is absolutely clear that Germany, of course, is still a country with the highest standard of living and comfort in the world. But, unfortunately, this level and comfort, the last 20 years, at least, goes clearly not up, but down.
                And what was still 20-30 years ago, today is just a dream ...
                I already wrote somewhere that at the time of the collapse of the USSR and the social camp, everyone in the East thought that soon the standard of living would be equal to the West, and everyone would be in the same “chocolate” as Western Europe or the USA of the 80s. And it turned out that, as it turns out, no one expected on either side - the East / West standard of living really began to compare, but only in the East did it really grow, but in the West it really fell. Now, in the East, growth has slowed, and in the West, "comparison" continues, sliding down ...
                You may or may not like this, you may not agree with this, but this is the very objective reality. And these are not just my thoughts, this is confirmed by a real observation, and all the official and unofficial statistics ... Such are the pies. recourse
                PS Yes, but about the difference in income by region, etc., it is, of course, in Germany too, and tangible, it’s true. But not at times, as in the Russian Federation, for example, but at 20-30%, the maximum. So the average salary in the country, especially if you take an employee for a specific industry or for a similar specific position, is quite an adequate indicator ...
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                  Bitter (Gleb) 26 September 2019 00: 13
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                  This may be a long discussion, in letters to express everything, just my free time is not enough. repeat
                  Those small paychecks that you highlighted from 1500 to 2500 are generally not taxed, only social contributions.

                  the "comparison" continues, sliding down ...

                  There is, of course, a certain tendency, but the general level of well-being in comparison with the 80s and 90s has nevertheless grown significantly.
                  Returning from work in the evening, I often wish that a liter of gasoline cost at least 5 euros, traffic jams are unimaginable everywhere, in the late 80s and 90s, and in the 2000s there were significantly fewer cars on the roads.
                  Of course, there are enough problems, not only with pensioners and migrants of northern Africa and Afghanistan. But, in general, the level of social protection of citizens in comparison with other neighbors looks great.
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                    Pishenkov (Alexey) 26 September 2019 12: 48
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                    I agree, this discussion is for a long time. But I do not agree with this -

                    ... the overall level of well-being, compared with the 80s and 90s, still increased significantly.

                    This is complete nonsense, excuse me, speaking of Germany specifically, it’s not that it has not grown many times, it has fallen. And strong. Grew up only in Eastern European countries, and then only in the most developed. The West has fallen. You tell the Germans or the French that their standard of living has grown, they will laugh a lot, only through tears. You, apparently, Europe of the 80s or do not remember, or did not see ...
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    Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 10: 20
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    After 21 hours, trading stops ...

    Is logical. A person earns a certain number of “Tugriks” and, accordingly, he can only spend them. From the fact that the store at point "B" works longer, the population who lives around will not have more money. After 21:00, purchases are mainly made by those who didn’t have enough beer or stronger, or all sorts of thieves, hoping that there will be less work in the evening and the ability to steal a bottle of viskar without consequences will be slightly higher.
    In addition, in the evening there are more exciting activities than hanging around the shops.
    By the way, not so long ago all the stores were open until 18:00.
    The gain from the workers from this did not increase and it brought no happiness to anyone.

    ... without a prescription from a doctor in a pharmacy, you can’t buy anything except aspirin and cough tablets.

    And that's good; drug abuse is evil. tongue
    Pharmacies work only until 18:00, and if you go to a regular German pharmacy, you will find there a much larger assortment of not only medicines, but also cosmetic products, and other services.
    Of course, if neither be, nor me, then you can’t ask anything but aspirin.

    ... Germans plow at work like horses ...

    There is work - plowing, no work - not plowing, everything, as everywhere else. bully

    ... polite and smiling. Going to a bar or another hot-tempered institution, it is customary to say hello ..

    And you can chair ... lol
    Normal society. Politeness and friendliness is a positive indicator, but in a big city in cafes and other cereals, it is not at all customary to say hello to everyone. Like everywhere in the world.
    In rural areas, this is normal; as a rule, everyone knows each other.

    ... you shouldn’t rely on him being fed and drunk.

    The heresy is fabulous. If invited for lunch or dinner, or a date, the table will always be set. If you just went to visit, then at least drinks or coffee will always be offered.
    The girl in the circle of acquaintances has some asocial elements with a kitchen phobia, except chips and beer after 21:00 in the bins there is not a fig.

    Her husband calmly answered this as follows ...

    - most likely: “Honey, I have no idea what this is about.” hi
    There are people who are interested in this, you can talk about it with them. The rest of the mass just lives today. This is not a very bright page in the history of Germany, and it is covered rather modestly, but there are enough materials.

    The vast majority of German citizens do not have their own housing, preferring rented.

    Firstly, it’s not a fact, and secondly, it’s normal, but a person has the opportunity to settle where there is work, and is not attached to one place. The law clearly defines this format, and rented housing has exactly the same immunity as its own. No owner there has the right to open the door with his foot to the house handed over to us.
    Very fraught with consequences.
    Closer to retirement, it’s quite possible to decide where you want to live and buy a house, an apartment or something else, where you want, but you can leave everything, buy a mobile house and travel all over Europe, and not only.
    Well, nobody canceled inheritance rights. Why should I buy and build a house if my parents already have one? Not at all necessary.

    ... for a thrown cigarette butt a fine of 100 euros.

    How enchanting! That nefig rubbish scattered, smoked and nowhere to throw - swallow. wassat
    It was necessary to add still - for the spit-out and trampled chewing gum you should pay for cleaning of all street. wassat Purely not where they do not litter, but where they clean.

    ... I learned that everything you need to achieve yourself, and not look for workarounds for easy ways.

    What did her mom and dad teach ??? Successfully get married?
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      akarfoxhound 25 September 2019 22: 01
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      I agree with the garbage completely and completely! good Here I talked with former classmates from Ukraine, so there the main topic is that now we will enter the EU - so it will immediately become clean on the streets and salaries will become large. And to the question: And who do not stop crap under your own windows? - bewildered. "The girl left the village, but the village doesn’t leave her" laughing
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        Bitter (Gleb) 26 September 2019 00: 17
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        ... now we will enter the EU - so right away ...

        The Greek version, alas, will not work. tongue
  8. Don36 Offline
    Don36 (Don36) 25 September 2019 11: 42
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    The Russians defeated not only your Hitler, but also your Frederick the Great, whether you like it or not ...
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      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 23: 03
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      Until recently, everyone who lived east of Poland was “Russian” for Europeans - Ukrainians, Kazakhs, Georgians, and ..... everything. But the situation has changed radically and now everything is not so clear. hi
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        Don36 (Don36) 26 September 2019 05: 23
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        The fact that all these nationalities changed the oath they gave to Russia makes them beings without honor and conscience, but does not detract from the victories of Russian weapons and people. Russian victories are not the victories of Georgians, Ukrainians, or anyone else ... Turks slaughtered Georgians like rams, and Russians gave the Sinop meat grinder to the Turks ... Mazepa paid tribute to Turkey from among his own Ukrainians, sending them thousands into slavery to the Sultan, and the Russians took Ishmael, which at that time was considered an impregnable fortress of Turkey ... The Kazakhs, as the Basmachi, remained ... During World War I, Kazakhstan completely thwarted the mobilization and completely went into the Basmachi and bandits ...
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          Bitter (Gleb) 27 September 2019 00: 34
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          ..all these national minorities changed the oath they gave to Russia ...

          ... to be loyal to their People, their Soviet Homeland and Soviet Government.
          I am always ready, on the orders of the Soviet Government, to defend my homeland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ....

          Where is it about Russia?

          Ghosts of events a thousand years ago do not make sense as an example. Realities in recent 30 years have changed dramatically and Russia has played in them not the most positive role.
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            Don36 (Don36) 16 November 2019 23: 23
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            Where is Hitler and where is the last 30 years? In addition, in the last 30 years, Russia has been experiencing not the best of times precisely because of the Russophobia-sick nazmen who have reached the power in Russia, such as Chubais, Chernomyrdin and the like!
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              Bitter (Gleb) 17 November 2019 17: 18
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              Why look so narrowly? For me, everything east of Brest and Uzhgorod to the Kuril Islands still seems to be one, and for the last 30 years there have been "bad times" everywhere.

              ... nationalities like Chubais, Chernomyrdin and the like!

              And who brought them, is it not the honored "Russian" leader of the democratization of all times and peoples?
              It was laziness to work, the market had to “regulate” everything. Adjusted and screwed in time. Now the national hero, all in orders, foundations, protected monuments and centers. The most deserved ghoul in the post-Soviet space.
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          Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 21: 54
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          The Russians, until 1700, paid tribute to the Crimean Khan, and today they pay tribute to Kydyrka. Yes, in 16, the Kazakhs rebelled, because it was not their war, the Russians muddied it, let them fight and die! I think that this is the logic.
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            Don36 (Don36) 16 November 2019 23: 22
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            When China attacks Kazakhstan, the Russians will not go to war for you either, this is not our war and we will not defend Russophobes and their country ... What you sow, you will reap ... You sow, get ready to eat what you brewed yourself. ..
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      Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 21: 49
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      Russians without the United States and England would speak German today!
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        isofat (Sergei) 9 November 2019 22: 43
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        Please recall the victories of the USA and Great Britain in World War II over Germany, which will convince us of the correctness of your words.
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          Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 23: 10
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          First, in order to really help its allies, the United States “bent” all the countries of South America and forced them to declare war on Germany (only 32 countries were involved against the Axis countries), which implied the mobilization of their resources, although they sympathized with Germany . Thus, Venezuela pumped oil to the USA, Brazil supplied sugar, cocoa, meat, iron ore and tungsten, rubber, etc. Argentina supplied meat, soy, wheat, etc. Chile supplied copper, silver, zinc, tin, meat to the USA, wheat, etc.
          Secondly, in the USA, huge production capacities were created for the production of tanks, artillery, various aircraft, transport vessels (1 10.000 tons per day), 14 battleships, 68 aircraft carriers of various classes, 46 cruisers, etc., were built. The United States supplied England, the USSR, China (Chiang Kai-shek army), Australia, the US expeditionary force in Africa and Europe, chasing German submarines in the Atlantic. The USA built two car assembly plants in Iran, where the Students gathered, they were loaded with different cargoes and they walked along the trans-Iranian road to the USSR (my mother’s elder brother was in Iran all the war, guarded the roads).
          And thirdly, if all this had not happened, then in 42 in the USSR tens of millions of people would have died of hunger. The USA for the whole time of the war delivered 400 factories and plants to the USSR! Everything else can be found.
          If this had not happened, the USSR would have lost the war!
          And fourth, maybe you still needed them to supply their soldiers? This is a typical nonsense of those who confuse a causal relationship. Germany and the USSR started the WWII war, and that was their war! The United States could have said “from the screw” in general, but Churchill persuaded Roosevelt, about which he would later regret when the USSR would conquer all East European countries.
          And today, the United States is the most fierce enemy for the Russian people, ungrateful and vile, however!
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            isofat (Sergei) 10 November 2019 01: 01
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            Could write even shorter - The military victories of the USA and Great Britain, which forced Germany to admit defeat in the Second World War, you cannot name.

            As for the article itself, I read the opinion of our former compatriot. The Germans, who lost the war with the USSR, had no doubt who defeated them. Do modern Germans think otherwise? These are their problems.
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    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 25 September 2019 12: 27
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    In the Museum of the History of World War II, there is no mention of the participation of Russian troops in the defeat of Hitler.

    The USSR defeated him, which the author modestly bypassed. Goblin has - they remember that.

    In the 21st? In Switzerland and Norway, they say, they close earlier ...

    Cheers-smishniki previously stated that Europeans love Putin very much .....

    And 2 years ago a pensioner from Bavaria arrived - a nurse - traveled to our Arkaim ...
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      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 13: 35
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      about the participation of Russian troops in the defeat of Hitler.

      But there were no Russians in this sense, to be honest - they were SOVIET.
      The country that could withstand all this stream of untruth is no more.
      The country "heiress" or has renounced part of its history, or she carefully retouches the same.
      For decades, Russian historians and politicians have strewed their heads with ashes, how it was wrong and bad in the “scoop” and partly continue to do it.
      They brought everything to the point of absurdity, and now we have realized it.
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        Savigne 25 September 2019 14: 40
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        Quote: Bitter
        The country that could withstand this whole stream of untruth is no more.

        You are mistaken. There is no MAIN GENERATOR of untruth and myths.
        No, according to the apt remark of R. Reagan, the evil empire.

        Quote: Bitter
        The country "heiress" or has renounced part of its history, or she carefully retouches the same.

        The USSR has no successor country (unless North Korea or Cuba). In relation to the USSR, Russia is just a successor country.

        Quote: Bitter
        ... how it was wrong and bad at that time ...

        And what, in the medieval Looking Glass was something good? What if not a secret?

        Quote: Bitter
        ... and now we’ve got it.

        They didn’t catch on, and Russia's stay in the interphase does its dirty deed. Society is gradually degrading (and no other is given in the interphase) and risks sliding back into the Middle Ages. Which, if this happens, will slam Russia, only forever.
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 15: 24
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        Well, there, abroad, everyone was always called "RUSSIAN", especially in the forties, and no one seemed to be offended. Everyone was proud because it was what.
        Now, suddenly, the difference has appeared - everyone seems to have become a great nation ... Someone with a trident, some with the sun, some with a ball on multi-colored rags ... And ask them - "what are you proud of in your country?" - they mumble something, and then, besides “independence”, they don’t think anything special .... And if something comes, it’s left from the Union, as it turns out later ...
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          Savigne 25 September 2019 17: 14
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          Quote: Pyshenkov
          Everyone was proud because it was what.

          Who was proud and what?

          Quote: Pyshenkov
          It is now suddenly a difference was revealed.

          She has always been since a gang of crooks and adventurers in the early 20th century. was able to conquer (and occupy) Russia.

          Quote: Pyshenkov
          ... and then, besides "independence", nothing particularly comes to their minds ....

          What can they think of? These are YOUNG independent states. They are only 28 years old.
          In addition to the Baltic states. They seem to have managed to maintain continuity with the Baltic states of the early 20th century. But there we are talking no more than a century.
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          Sake (Sake) 9 November 2019 22: 15
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          What hangover is the USSR proud of, which, for example, “swallowed” grandfathers and sent their grandmothers to believe in God? All the post-war time, like a mantra, they screwed us, so as soon as we weaken, the evil Americans will take away all our wealth and other nonsense. And when the USSR really got to the handle, it turns out nobody captured us, just the country and the regime were buried under a mountain of weapons and lies! There is no reason for pride. Russia went on a new circle trampling on a rake! History teaches idiots nothing!
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            321 (321) 10 November 2019 00: 23
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            Well, nobody captured at all, yeah, as they say, "walk ischo" and in your spare time look at what belongs to whom, and for more than a year, well, they didn’t capture at all)))
            PS How are you self-critical here, why would this be?)
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        Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 15: 39
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        Here in this, Gleb, there is nothing to argue. I particularly agree with the last paragraph.

        For decades, Russian historians and politicians have strewed their heads with ashes, how it was wrong and bad in the “scoop” and partly continue to do it.
        They brought everything to the point of absurdity, and now we have realized it.

        ... and they even wonder why it’s all around them that they criticize for how it stinks of the very shit that they themselves so diligently smeared with ...
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 16: 24
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      There are already few such pensioners in Germany. Nursing staff is one of the highest paid categories after all, and their pensions are normal. But even those are not the same as before. It was in the 80s and 90s that well-pretended and tanned youthful grandfathers and grandmothers in gold and smart cars — German pensioners — traveled everywhere throughout the year. Just many of them were those who lost the war ... Now it’s not that. In the east, in the former GDR, officially 30% of pensioners are already below the poverty line. And Westerners tightened their belts. And those who are working now will be lucky if they can retire to the same standard of living that they are used to.
      But Putin is not that everyone loved, but clearly respected.
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      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 23: 11
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      The USSR defeated him, which the author modestly bypassed.

      Everything is there, visit the Museum, for example, in Karlhorst and see.
      If a person has not seen something, this does not mean that this is not.
      Maybe they didn’t get to the desired exposure and they wanted to use the toilet and smoke.
      In western Germany, museums with more themes of war in the western regions are illuminated and the expositions are ground for that, because they also fought not weakly.
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    Port 25 September 2019 12: 49
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    ... uncivilized, or something like that ...

    I’m not going to breed polites, or do you think that in hegemordor they lie more culturally?
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      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 23: 13
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      No, but all under one comb is still not worth it. hi
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    Port 25 September 2019 13: 57
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    When there are no victories, assign the strangers and rewrite the story, hegemordor successfully copes with this.
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    Port 25 September 2019 14: 01
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    But there were no Russians in this sense ...

    So there were no Zionists, it turns out, however, receipts for the Lochocost are sent out very well ...
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      Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 23: 32
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      ... receipts nemchure send regularly ...

      Maybe rude, but:
      they are consistent in this regard to this day, as the horde, which received the long-awaited tribute in a hurry, having abandoned everything, everything and everyone, retired to the steppes of the Volga region, did not act.
      That's why coupons are cut further. The Americans are also consistent, they also sit tight in Europe and also for a reason.
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    meandr51 (Andrei) 25 September 2019 14: 20
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    In the years 90-94. it didn’t seem to me that they "plow like horses." Both in offices and in workshops. Here we have often seen this. In Germany, he saw Turkish migrants at the "horse" works.
    I saw more garbage at Berlin railway stations and subways than in the 90s in Moscow. In the villages - yes, clean.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 25 September 2019 15: 12
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      In the villages - yes, pure

      - this is because there are not so many “guests from the south” there. But, if the Bundes politics towards these "guests" does not radically change ( stop angry ) in the near future, then this, unfortunately, is not for long ... no
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    zenion (zinovy) 25 September 2019 14: 30
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    Of course, it was not the Russians who defeated the Hitler European Union; the Soviet man, led by Comrade Stalin, defeated him.
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      Savigne 25 September 2019 14: 54
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      ... his Soviet man defeated by Comrade Stalin defeated him.

      But Dzhugashvili (you call him “Comrade Stalin” for some reason) did not think so and modestly agreed to recognize the role of the USSR in the GENERAL victory over the Axis countries in Europe as 1/3.
      It was only later, after his death, it suddenly became clear that the USSR defeated the Axis countries with one left and exclusively by itself. With one brave colonel who, under old age, fell into almost complete insanity. But, nevertheless, the mantras of this senile marshal are still alive today.
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        akarfoxhound 25 September 2019 22: 45
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        They defeated fascism with one left!

        - where are you from? And your western idol-warriors were glorious, having been born by August 44, they managed under the Ardennes to take it from the fascists not childishly! It's expensive laughing Also one left? Another groan about Lend-Lease, yeah, don’t forget about the otherworldly “Lend-Lease”, where every third Wehrmacht tire rubber was originally from the USA, about B-17 flight cards in “transit” Poltava.

        And what are your red prohibitions on the route in Germany highlighted? We have these goals. Are there factories?
        “You cannot work on them; American money has been invested there!”

        Yes, and it was.
        Or can you give an example of the “struggle” with Rommel’s army in North Africa? Not much sweat there in one place here and there for several years to run? The Germans, it seems, because of the "unrealistic southern tension" from Africa to the eastern front, reserves were periodically laden, for sure! lol
        In general, the coalition won, right? True, who and where that war ended, that is the question. Give freedom to the liberals, it will turn out so soon, after 10-15 years that the USSR did not fight, everyone will be tricked and ruined. Soros in the 95th in school books for Russia already highlighted 4 lines of the Second World War, in generosity!
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        Bitter (Gleb) 25 September 2019 23: 42
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        ... I did not think so and modestly agreed to recognize the role of the USSR in the GENERAL victory over the “axis” countries in Europe as 1/3.

        It was a very smart move, the country suffered more in the war than everyone else, and it had to be restored, including with the help of the Allies. Therefore, agreed so.
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          Savigne 1 October 2019 22: 53
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          It was a very smart move.

          Still would. Anglo-Saxons could give nothing at all.

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          ... the country suffered more in the war than everyone else, and it had to be restored, including with the help of the allies.

          How is your story? The USSR abandoned the Marshall Plan if you are not in the know.

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          Therefore, agreed so.

          Have you agreed? Who agreed with Dzhugashvili? Set before the fact, and all.
          But Dzhugashvili’s face was preserved (during Yalta, landing and paratroopers to the Japanese islands were still required). To do this, he was allocated German lands for reparations (mainly East Prussia, but not only it), which he then exchanged with Poland for the West. Ukraine and the West. Belarus, as well as the Vilnius region.
          And to cover this maneuver, Germany’s fourth major winner, France, was introduced.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 26 September 2019 08: 56
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    The country "heiress" or has renounced part of its history, or she carefully retouches the same.

    The USSR has no successor country (unless North Korea or Cuba). In relation to the USSR, Russia is just a successor country.

    "Just" successor laughing Well, the garbage in your head ....
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 26 September 2019 13: 08
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      Sergey, you undeservedly offended the garbage, in my opinion ... lol In it, after all, sometimes, if you try, you can find something useful or someone else you need ... In the head of this citizen, there is clearly nothing even remotely similar ... request
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    MMM (Martha) 26 September 2019 21: 39
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    The girl who spoke about life in Germany, estimates everything is somewhat one-sided. I do not presume to assess the attitude of the Germans towards WW2 - this is an ungrateful matter. But in schools, any merits of Russians (we are talking about Tsarist Russia, as well as the former USSR as a whole, and not Russians as an ethnos) in the field of science, for example, are generally hushed up: neither about Popov, nor about Mendeleev, but if anyone Some of the "advanced" students, children from Russian-speaking families, for example, will say the same Mendeleev as the discoverer of the Periodic Table of Chemical Elements, which the whole world uses, then the teachers will quickly besiege and shut up this advanced student.
    Yes, on weekdays after 21 hours, life in Germany practically ceases. But you can buy food, the most necessary, around the clock at any gas station, although, of course, much more expensive. As for pharmacies closed on weekends - this is also not entirely true. On Saturdays, pharmacies are open until 12-14 hours, then close. But !!! ... In the window of each pharmacy there is a luminous sign indicating the addresses of those on duty this weekend in the city of pharmacies! There you can buy the necessary medicines around the clock, you just need to ring the bell on the pharmacy door.
    As for salaries and pensions ... Here, Comrade Savign is trying his best to prove that in Germany there are simply sky-high salaries. This is far from the case! Well, if a non-family worker receives a clean 1800 on hand, and then only 1400-1500 euros. A single worker withholds taxes up to 43% of total earnings. He writes that “unfortunate workers” drive cool cars to the store? .. Having an old car is expensive: repair, insurance, tax, gas consumption - all this is very expensive for old cars. A liter of gasoline of the best quality yesterday cost 1,62 euros (prices in Germany may vary slightly). A good car is a necessity dictated by the conditions - sometimes they won’t take a job without a car! Of course, we are not talking about Ferrari or Jaguars, but VW, Mercedes (modest modification), Toyota, etc. - this is the standard. Traveling by public transport in the city - 2,90 euros per trip, a ticket in the subscription, valid around the clock only in the city, costs about 70-72 euros per month. But there is no guarantee that the employee will be able to get to his company using public transport - some companies are located in areas inaccessible to public transport, and sometimes you need to walk another 15-20 minutes from the nearest stop. Imagine: 5 am, snow, rain, ice, and you can’t be late in any way - they can fire you, and you walk and run to your company ... Therefore, it is optimal to have a car. And if the place of work is in a neighboring city, then a monthly pass in a subscription will cost you more than 100 euros, and annually the cost will increase from January 1. A ticket not in a subscription costs even more. The employment service can send to work in any city within a radius of 50-55 km from the place of residence, you do not have the right to refuse - if you receive unemployment benefits, then because of the refusal of the workplace, unemployment benefits can immediately be reduced or stopped altogether.
    The pensions of those who have become pensioners in the last 5-8 years are as much as 900 euros, and this is still not bad - maybe 700 in total! Renting an apartment with a total area of ​​50-55 sq.m will cost about 500 euros on average. Plus, approximately 60-80 euros el. energy monthly, plus 50 euros a landline telephone with Internet monthly, plus 18 euros a monthly tax on radio and TV ... Yes, there’s a lot more that will be “plus” in the article “mandatory expenses”. And if you have a car, then add to the article “expenses” also tax, insurance, repairs, fuel and other expenses for maintaining the car.
    So consider.
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      Bitter (Gleb) 26 September 2019 23: 54
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      Yes, on weekdays after 21 hours, life in Germany practically ceases.

      Not so bad. wink
      Nightlife begins, there is no point in denying it. Go in the evening in any big city to the center or to the old city. Sleeping areas die out after 19 hours - sometimes it seems that the curfew has come.

      You can buy food, the most necessary, around the clock at any gas station, although, of course, much more expensive.

      In the cities there are supermarkets that have long been open until midnight, as well as all kinds of kiosks.
      Refueling - this is from hopelessness - for much more expensive.

      As for salaries and pensions ... Here, Comrade Savign is trying his best to prove that in Germany there are simply sky-high salaries. This is far from the case! Well, if a non-family worker receives a clean 1800 on hand, and then only 1400-1500 euros.

      How do we know, maybe he is not a comrade at all, but an opponent (counter), for example. recourse
      Again about our lamb.
      Regionally there is a significant difference. A skilled worker always gets more than the same without a qualification. For similar work somewhere in Bremen or Schleswig, he will receive significantly less than, for example, in Bavaria or in Hesse.

      It is unprofitable to have an old car .... A good car is a necessity dictated by the conditions - sometimes they won’t even take a job without a car!

      A people with low income does not matter - the bank will not give a loan. Buy everything that can ride. They prefer, of course, Koreans, Japs, but they don’t shun the old 20-year-old Opel.
      hi
      Traveling by public transport in the city - 2,90 euros per trip, a ticket in the subscription, valid around the clock only in the city, costs about 70-72 euros per month.

      A monthly pass costs from 35 euros, depending on the region, it can cost up to 70, of course, in the countryside, in particular. yes

      From January 1, the cost rises.

      Wrong! There is a focused work in the direction of 1 euro per day for a ticket for all types of transport. In some regions, it has long been practiced and people with a ticket (especially students) can travel both by bus, tram and train within the radius of the entire region.good

      The pensions of those who have become pensioners in the last 5-8 years are as much as 900 euros, and this is still not bad - maybe 700 in total!

      Who studied what and how the whole village lived, who chopped off for 40 years - and that pension is normal. There are exceptions, but if you have never earned more than 900 euros a month in life, then where do you get pensions of 1500?
      The prices of places in nursing homes are, of course, sky-high and fantastic, but they exist somehow. sad request

      Renting an apartment with a total area of ​​50-55 sq.m will cost about 500 euros on average.

      There is also a regionally big difference, somewhere around 250 the red price on the market day, and somewhere around 700 you can hardly find. Accordingly, social services also pay someone for their living space for 250, and for someone for 700, regardless of the size of the living allowance, which also differs regionally.
      A telephone is a luxury, a television is a necessity (the right to information), so you don’t have to pay for a TV with a small income (pension), and you don’t need to pay for a phone if the person is sick or there are other good reasons.
      In big cities, a car is a luxury, where you can travel faster and cheaper by public transport.
      In the countryside without a car, buses rarely run and are therefore more expensive.

      Everyone sees the world from their bell tower. hi
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        MMM (Martha) 27 September 2019 00: 31
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        I live far away, not in the smallest city in Germany (by German standards, of course) and all the figures I mentioned are not taken from the ceiling.

        In big cities, a car is a luxury, where you can travel faster and cheaper by public transport.

        Watching where. If to work - your application is debatable.

        Wrong! purposeful work is underway in the direction of 1 euro per day for a ticket for all types of transport. In some regions it has been practiced for a long time, and people with a ticket (especially students) can travel like on buses, trams and trains within the radius of the entire region.

        Do you tell me how much a ticket costs in a subscription? And how much does it cost one way? And that the subscription does not go up annually ??? ... I have 19 years of travel! And I know how much and what I pay for.


        In the countryside without a car, buses rarely run and are therefore more expensive.

        I live far from rural areas and the prices for public transport are for our and the surrounding cities. I think that Bonn, Düsseldorf, Essen, Dortmund can not be attributed to the "countryside".
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          Bitter (Gleb) 27 September 2019 01: 20
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          North Rhine-Westphalia is a poor and very densely populated land, sitting on subsidies from the center.
          That explains a lot.
          But if you ride your travel card so long and hard, then I dare to suspect that these "tears of money" every year by the middle of summer come back into your pocket like a boomerang, and already 19 years old.
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            MMM (Martha) 27 September 2019 02: 16
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            ... then I dare to suspect that these "tears of money" every year by the middle of summer come back to your pocket, like a boomerang, and already 19 years old.

            No, they are not absent, if you mean it.
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              Bitter (Gleb) 30 September 2019 20: 36
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              Not significantly, let's not waste time on small things. hi
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    XNDR (Alexander ) 29 September 2019 04: 52
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    What kind of blogging is SMM?
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    Jar.serge (Reznik) 8 December 2019 16: 19
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    Well, yes, the Italians in World War II in alliance with the Germans and Americans defeated the Russians. This version was proved to me by Italian students in Rome.