“Samurai decided that night ...”: what secrets Khalkhin-Gol keeps

This week, for some reason, absolutely no one noticed the 80th anniversary of the events, without exaggeration, which became historical for our Motherland, and in a number of aspects - the end of the fighting to repel the aggression of imperialist Japan on the Khalkhin Gol River. The agreement on the cessation of hostilities, which entered into force the day after signing, was concluded between the USSR, Mongolia and Japan on September 15, 1939. The next time, the soldiers in the two powers were destined to meet with weapons only six years later - in September 1945.




To our great regret, today in Russia both the heroic deeds of those days, and especially those preceding them and having to battle on the distant rivers and hills of Mongolia, were not at all heroic, but dark and treacherous deeds. Well, except that everyone still loves in the country the song “Three Tankers” that was born precisely after Khalkhin-Gol. Well, we will try to make up for the annoying omissions - we will remember together.

Great Japan on Blood and Bones


By the time of the events that we will discuss later, the Japanese Empire, in which the generals who ruled not so much its formal ruler as the generals surrounding his throne, set a simple and clear task - the conquest of world domination. Well, so as not to be trifled ... How the unfortunate globe was going to be shared with its best friends - Nazi Germany and fascist Italy at first it was not entirely clear. After all, Berlin and Rome aspired to the same goal, but naturally, in the role of world rulers they saw themselves, loved ones, and not the Japanese at all. However, in 1940 they sorted it out by signing the famous Triple Pact in Berlin, which became a direct continuation of the Anti-Comintern pact. In accordance with this, the Germans got Europe, the Italians - Africa, the Japanese - Asia. All exactly, almost fraternally. Subsequently, a smaller swamp drew closer to this fun company - all sorts of Hungary with Romania and Slovakia with Bulgaria. These, too, were eager to take possession of the world a little bit, well, they were promised something there. The most interesting thing is that before signing the agreement, Hitler very actively called for the Soviet Union to join him: we supposedly are going to tear down a little “inheritance” of the old British woman, so join in, comrades! They sent it from Moscow politely (after all, the Nonaggression Pact), but very harshly. The Führer was offended, pouted and began scribbling a plan for Barbarossa ...

Let us return, however, to Japan. To begin with, Tokyo needed to conquer China, the key to mastering which was to be the capture of Manchuria and Mongolia. In any case, it was such an extremely specific and thoughtful plan that General Tanaki, who became Prime Minister of the country in 1927, outlined to the Japanese emperor Hirohito in his famous memorandum. The monarch was supportive, and things went ... Samurai quite safely grabbed Korea back in 1910, after the war stupidly lost by the Russian Empire. And in 1927 they climbed into China, torn by civil war and troubled times. However, it didn’t succeed in capturing him: Beijing squeaked something about aggression in the League of Nations, the League of Nations "expressed concern", and, most importantly, the British and Americans cheekily puffed out their cheeks. Tokyo had no quarrel with them yet, because there they went the other way - to take what is bad. Worst of all in the region lay Manchuria. So the Japanese entered there with a considerable army in 1931, and a year later they created on its territory the puppet "state" of Manzhou, which was, in fact, a samurai bridgehead for the conquest of Mongolia and China. The plans also included the capture of the entire Soviet Far East - after 1905 in Tokyo they were sure that there would be no problems.

Samurai seriously took up China in 1937. Spain blazed in Europe. Britain, the United States and France were courting the Third Reich with might and main, not knowing which of the “small fry” they would feed the Führer so that he would quickly turn his hordes against the USSR and in Tokyo quite reasonably decided that it was already possible. Before curbing Japan’s imperial ambitions, the “big” will not reach their hands at first, and then let them try! In principle, they were not mistaken. The United States regularly supplied the Chinese cities that were erasing from the face of the earth and sat down the imperial army with fuel and did not frown. And the rest of the "civilized countries", which had recently vowed to Beijing to observe its sovereignty, also did not particularly object. The only unpleasant surprise for the samurai was the immediate, practically, intervention of the Soviet Union in this war, and on the Chinese side. Soviet assistance was very impressive - they were not limited to military advisers and arms deliveries, entire factories for the production of weapons were built. And by personally pinching the feathers of the Japanese aces, the Stalinist falcons also did not shun. Angry about this, the samurai thought that now was the time to deal with the Russians who had imagined themselves, reminding them of Tsushima and Port Arthur ...

Rescue "Maki Mirage"


This is not to say that at this point our country was completely unable to make a mistake with the samurai again reaching for the katanas. Still, the Red Army model of 1937, it was not the RIA of the year 1905. But Stalin was not Nicholas II at all. The mess in the Far East at this particular moment, and generally earlier than the Japanese can definitely be hit in the teeth so that they would long promise to build stupid conquest plans for the USSR, he did not need. Joseph Vissarionovich was used to solving serious problems of this kind with the help of intelligence - the OGPU, and subsequently the NKVD, was tasked with: to provide the Japanese with so much misinformation about the “invincibility” and “huge forces” of the Red Army in the Far East that they would attack it and forgot to think. At least until this “disinformation” turns into reality. This was done exactly. About the brilliant operations “Maki-Mirage”, “Dreamers” and others, as a result of which so many selected “noodles” were hung on protruding ears of the samurai that they really slowed down sharply with their ambitions, wonderful documentary books were written. But they are known, alas, mainly in narrow circles, unlike the novels of Semenov or Bogomolov.


As, incidentally, is the name of Lazarus of Israel, the key figure in this colossal disinformation campaign, filigree “framed” by the Chekists of Japanese intelligence. “Having recruited” subsequently received from the Japanese the agent nickname “The Old Man” of the sly and ubiquitous salesman “Dalgostorg”, general staff officer Kumazawa Sadaichiro was terribly proud of this great success. Of course - so much information, so many new features! Well, he couldn’t know that through his “agent” the most valuable shots for Soviet foreign intelligence would be introduced into the Land of the Rising Sun - in particular, the legendary Richard Sorge, who brought an incredible amount of problems to the samurai. However, this was, so to speak, a “side effect” that developed in the 30s, which was invisible to the world, but a colossal in its scale confrontation between the special services of the USSR and Japan. The main goal - to make Tokyo believe that climbing to the Soviet borders would be more expensive was also achieved. Our country has received enough time to prepare for a “warm meeting” with samurai, which, however, could not have taken place before 1945, if it hadn’t ... If there hadn’t been any nest among the Far Eastern KGB. Only one, but on what scale! It's about, perhaps, the most senior traitor-defector among the Soviet Chekists - the head of the NKVD Directorate for the Far East, the State Security Commissioner of rank 3 (Lieutenant General on the rank scale of the Red Army) Heinrich Lyushkov.

For those who today continue to believe nonsense about the “far-fetchedness” of the most severe “purges” carried out in the Soviet “organs” in 1937-1938, I highly recommend that you familiarize yourself with the history of this particular moral monster. It was precisely this that they did not “clean out” during raking in the NKVD of all that his namesake, the People’s Commissar Heinrich Yagoda, had bred. Even sent to increase! Here Lyushkov broke the number - on June 13, 1938 he “pulled” towards the Japanese so that only his heels sparkled. Through the border, which is characteristic, he moved in full form and with all the regalia. Surely, so as not to slap in a hurry and with a fright. Once in the adjacent territory, Lyushkov immediately rushed to Japanese intelligence, which he offered his services, as they say, in all conceivable and unimaginable forms, poses and senses. And so laconic, the Japanese, for sure, were generally numb with surprise, and then they accepted the proposal with the most genuine enthusiasm. Already Lyushkov and got rid of it! About the “Stalinist repressions,” he directly spilled over with a nightingale, reporting that “all those accused of conspiracy and espionage are completely innocent,” the evidence against them is “fabricated,” and the testimony was “beaten out by terrible tortures.” Yes, here he himself, by the way, and knocked out. May show how. Do not? Then here you are, gentlemen samurai, an excellent plan of assassination attempt on Stalin himself: “I give a tooth, everything will work out - personally when I was the head of the NKVD in the Azov-Black Sea Territory I developed a security system for Matsesta, where he goes to take baths. And there we will stomp him for a sweet soul! ” No, what’s the nits ...

Hassan’s hard lessons


The plan to eliminate the Leader, proposed by Lyushkov, the Japanese tried to implement immediately. Well, not a damn thing with them, obviously, it didn’t burn out. However, the main harm inflicted by this Judas was different. First of all, he laid out the ins and outs of the Maki-Mirage plan for the samurai and explained that they were being led by the nose, and this was not the first year. Moreover, the traitor not only in detail, but to the nearest meter, to the depth of the last trench, described all the positions of the Red Army in the Far East, indicated the deployment, composition and armament of all military units concentrated there (and not only there!) Of which he was aware. But this bastard knew, oh, how many ... Up to the most secret codes of radio communication of the NKVD and the Red Army, which he also brought to the Japanese on a silver platter and with a deep deflection of the spine. It was precisely after this that the samurai’s hands were combed. No, they made provocations, shelling, and attempts to “push the border a little” to their advantage almost daily, starting from the moment when Manzhou-go, “crowded” with a Japanese soldier, “appeared” at the side of the USSR. However, until 1938, the cursed neighbors more or less knew the measure and finally did not lose their shores, fearing to securely raked their horns from the "huge" forces, as they believed, hiding somewhere there, in distant hills. After Lyushkov’s revelations, this fear weakened so much that they climbed to Moscow with the most natural territorial claims! Something was started there about the "withdrawal of troops from illegally occupied territories" and the like. Well, yes, nothing changes ...


The fighting at Lake Hassan was, in fact, the first "breakdown" of the Japanese. It seems to be a border conflict, no more. However, according to various estimates, up to 15 thousand Soviet border guards and military and more than 10 thousand Japanese participated in it. Used tanks, aircraft, artillery, warships. The fight was much more serious - the losses on each side were considered to be hundreds of people killed, and wounded exceeded two and a half thousand, both with us and the Japanese. Be that as it may, the stricken samurai were first kicked out of the hills and heights they occupied, and then they were driven into Manchu territory, from where they began to snap back with artillery fire. Realizing that the “small victorious war” did not work out, Japan, through her ambassador in Moscow, requested a ceasefire, promising to respect the existing borders and not to become impudent. They decided on that. They awarded new ranks to the distinguished ones, awards were distributed - from the just established medals “For Courage” and “For Military Merit” to the titles of Heroes of the Soviet Union. A special badge was even instituted to the “Member of the Hasan battles”. By the way, among the winners there were also about fifty women - wives and sisters of border guards, who turned out to be real fighting friends in difficult times. Well, and having finished with the promotions, we set about the most rigorous “debriefing”, because there was something to disassemble ... the Commander of the Far Eastern Military District, who had hastily transformed into the Far Eastern front Marshal Vasily Blucher, holder of the orders of the Red Banner and The red star number 1, our liberals-rehabilitators to this day expose "an innocent victim of mass repression." However, in reality, everything was somewhat different ...

Yes, not a shisha, it was not so, if you tell the truth! The "Japanese spy" Blucher was already hanged posthumously, so to speak, so as not to embarrass the minds of ordinary Red Army men and citizens in general. But they trampled from the post and sent to the cell for very specific sins, more than real ones. The secret order No. 0040, signed by the People’s Commissar of Defense of the USSR on September 4, 1938, spoke of "huge shortcomings in the preparation of the Far Eastern District," identified during the Khasan events. Well, that’s very, very softly said! The district was not ready for war precisely from the word “completely”. Normal roads for the transfer of troops along the border, long-term positions, firing points - all this began to build only after the "Great Marshal" was removed from command. But what can I say if the Far East soldier had to be trained ... "actions with a small trench tool"! And speaking in a simple way - how to dig in the field, and not die in vain under Japanese bullets. What, then, did Blucher teach them there? Is that marching under the "International". Generally speaking, after Hassan, almost everyone had to retrain from the experience gained at the cost of blood. Tankers should understand that it’s not worth rubbing into the bad frontal attacks on the light T-26s with armor, which at the very least saved them from bullets, but through pierced artillery and anti-tank rifles, which they first encountered there. Military doctors - the proper evacuation of the wounded and the normal organization of the sanitary service in the troops, as such. There were enough tasks for everyone, since it was clear that Hassan was not the end of the story, but only its beginning.

"And the samurai flew to the ground ..."


The Japanese tried to seriously try to defeat the Red Army, not having suffered even a year. This time it was much more serious. Territorial claims were no longer put forward by the USSR, but by Mongolia, which, however, did not change much. The Mongolian People's Republic was at that time for our country, in fact, the only fraternal socialist state in the whole world. The Kremlin did not intend to give to the samurai to be torn to pieces the heavily crushed descendants of Genghis Khan. Moreover, there was a corresponding treaty regarding military assistance. The 57th special corps of the Red Army, deployed on Mongolian territory precisely in accordance with this agreement, became the main force that began to teach the minds of the finally presumptuous Japanese. It was at the post of commander of this formation, during the battles at Khalkhin-Gol that the commander star Georgy Zhukov, the future Marshal of Victory, ascended. However, many prominent Soviet military leaders — Konev, Fedyuninsky, Remizov, and others — participated in these events. These events became for our army a real test of strength, an exam. Which she withstood with honor, completely discouraging the Japanese from wanting to roam the Russian lands. "Mirage" still became true. Now we were ready ...


Of course, these fights were not any “border conflict” or local clash. A real war, no fools! It was not without reason that in Japan it was always called it only "the second Russo-Japanese war." For our part, 57 thousand people took part in the battles, and the enemy even involved more than 75 thousand soldiers and officers, both his own and the Manchu ones. Yes, it all began in May 1939 with cross-border skirmishes, lightning raids and raids. But that was just probing. In June-July, full-scale hostilities unfolded in the conflict zone, first in the air and then on the ground. Four hundred tanks and armored vehicles, hundreds of guns and aircraft were involved in the battle at the Bain-Tsagan hill on both sides. Having lost all their “armor”, almost all of their artillery and 10 thousand soldiers there, the Japanese did not call this episode of the war anything but a “battle”. The largest air battle took place, by the way, just a day before the armistice - 207 of our military vehicles converged in the sky with 120 Japanese. I must say that initially it was the samurai that reigned in the air - our pilots lacked combat experience. However, this issue was resolved in the most cardinal way: a group of the best "Stalinist falcons" who passed Spain and China were transferred to Khalkhin Gol. There were only 17 Heroes of the Soviet Union in it. Yes and equipment they threw up the latest - up to the air-to-air NURS, the very ones that subsequently terrified the Fritz, released from the legendary Katyusha. Already in the month of June, the situation was reversed. The losses of the Japanese in air battles amounted to our 3: 1. And the samurai flew to the ground ...

The fighting on the Khalkhin-Gol River showed the indisputable advantage of the Red Army over the Japanese. Why not touch - our warriors were better. The damage done to the enemy by artillery fire has doubled in comparison with the battles at Hassan. The total losses of the Red Army were more than two times less than the Japanese. In the long-term “war of nerves” that followed the denouement, we also managed to outplay the enemy. Both sides were preparing for a decisive blow, the question was who would succeed first ... Skillfully created misinformation (including the special use of easily decrypted radio messages with false data) that the Red Army was not going to advance, but to sit on deep defense, the Japanese forced to relax and make a decision slowly preparing better for the attack. Our offensive, which began on August 20, became a thunder from a clear sky for them. The first few days, the command of their army, judging by his erratic throwings, could not at all understand what was happening. And when I understood, it was too late. Some hotheads in the Red Army parted so much that they offered not to stop on the expulsion of the samurai from the territory of Mongolia, but to drive them further, to Manchuria, and already to tame it as it should. Comrade Stalin personally reassured them, promising to tear off something too zealous for the warriors, who, in his words, were trying to "unleash a long and long war." However, the results achieved were more than enough for the first signatories of the armistice agreement, and then, in 1941 and the Neutrality Pact with the USSR, the samurai to sit quietly throughout the Great Patriotic War, like a mouse under a broom, despite all Hitler’s persuasions.

Oh yes, I completely forgot about the song! The famous "Three Tankers" are indeed considered a work dedicated to the battles at Khalkhin Gol. Since they were first heard in 1939 in the beautiful Soviet film "Tractor Drivers" performed by Nikolai Kryuchkov. However, in fact, the author of the "tankers" in view of it still had the Hasan events. And the prototype of her heroes was the crew of the BT-7 tank, which was left at first for protection in a military town, but managed to simplify the command to "let go of the war" ... All its members lived a long and glorious life, only one of them fought during World War II - Vasily Agarkov, awarded for the valor of the title of Hero of the Soviet Union. Two others - Sergey Rumyantsev and Nikolai Zhitenev worked in the rear, creating and repairing military equipment. They gave their last interview to Spark magazine in 1985. Further, completely different “heroes” appeared in the domestic media ...

Time goes by, decades pass, however, not a single war, big or small, and, moreover, not a single soldier, no matter what battle he fought for our common Motherland, should be forgotten by us - if we want the Motherland to live .
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  1. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 September 2019 08: 59
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    Joint statement by the governments of Great Britain and Japan (“Arita — Craigie Agreement”).
    July 24 1939 city

    His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom fully recognizes the current situation in China, where hostilities are taking place on a large scale, and believes that as long as this situation continues, the Japanese armed forces in China have special needs in order to ensure their own security and maintain public order in areas under their control and that they will have to suppress or eliminate any such actions or reasons that interfere with them or are beneficial to their opponents. His Majesty’s Government does not intend to encourage any action or measure impeding the achievement of the above objectives by the Japanese armed forces, and takes this opportunity to confirm to the British authorities and British nationals in China, in support of their policies in this regard, that they should refrain from such actions and measures.
  2. Badger Offline
    Badger (Dmitriy) 21 September 2019 10: 10
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    Therefore, they did not climb in the 41st, because they raked in 39!
    1. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 23 September 2019 18: 48
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      Quote: Badger
      Therefore, they did not climb in the 41st, because they raked in 39!

      But it’s nothing that since September 1940, the Japanese had serious problems with the United States, which in March 1941 became simply huge. And the Japanese simply were not up to the USSR.
      1. commbatant Offline
        commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 19: 45
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        Quote: Savigne
        Quote: Badger
        Therefore, they did not climb in the 41st, because they raked in 39!

        But it’s nothing that since September 1940, the Japanese had serious problems with the United States, which in March 1941 became simply huge. And the Japanese simply were not up to the USSR.

        But Turkey did not climb into the Soviet Transcaucasia, in the 41st also because of the fear of the United States? The USSR had to hold large forces there ....
        You can’t cope with the editorial task of exposing the “bloody” Stalinist and Putin regimes, on Monday do not come to the cashier ...
        1. Ravshan Offline
          Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 20: 15
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          Quote: commbatant
          But Turkey did not climb into the Soviet Transcaucasia, in the 41st also because of the fear of the United States?

          No, simply because in Turkey people thought with their heads, and not with ... And they perfectly understood that the Axis countries are not tenants against the Anglo-Saxons. And they will soon come an IMMINENT end.
          In general, what a stupid idea that Turkey planned to attack the USSR?
          And what a stupid idea that Japan was planning to attack the USSR?
          Everyone was planning to attack the unfortunate USSR. On the white and fluffy Bolsheviks.

          Quote: commbatant
          The USSR had to hold large forces there ....

          Nonsense. The forces of the USSR kept there to attack Iran. Which he committed in 1941.
          And against the Turkey, the USSR, except for full-time border guards, did not hold anyone.

          Quote: commbatant
          on Monday do not come to the cashier ...

          Yes, do not go. Nothing works out for you.
          1. commbatant Offline
            commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 20: 37
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            In general, what a stupid idea that Turkey planned to attack the USSR?
            And what a stupid idea that Japan was planning to attack the USSR?

            According to the Barbaros Plan, Japan and Turkey enter the war with the USSR, after the Wehrmacht entered the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line, there was no need to skip history lessons during the Union ....

            Nonsense. The forces of the USSR kept there to attack Iran. Which he committed in 1941.
            And against the Turkey, the USSR, except for full-time border guards, did not hold anyone.

            Nonsense you say ...

            In the Transcaucasus, troops of the Transcaucasian Front were stationed under the command of Lieutenant General D.T. Kozlov (until December 1941). The troops of the Transcaucasian Front were entrusted with the defense of the southern part of the Black Sea coast. The main forces of the front were concentrated on the Soviet-Turkish border because of the clearly pro-German policy of Turkey. Part of the forces of the front 25 August 1941 was introduced into Iran in accordance with the Soviet-Iranian agreement and the agreement with England. Therefore, the Supreme Command did not have the ability in the first period of the war to fully use the troops of the Transcaucasian Front to strengthen the defense of the Caucasus from the north.

            https://topwar.ru/120906-bitva-za-kavkaz-vtorzheniya-s-sushi-ne-zhdali.html
            1. Ravshan Offline
              Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 20: 53
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              Quote: commbatant
              According to the Barbaros Plan, Japan and Turkey enter the war with the USSR, after the Wehrmacht entered the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line /

              But nothing about the plan of Barbaross until 22.06.1941/5/XNUMX knew only XNUMX people from among the top leadership of the Reich? And the Japanese with the Turks did not even know about him.
              But nothing, that Turkey was part of the Anti-Hitler coalition and was an ally of the USSR and the Anglo-Saxons?

              Quote: commbatant
              there was no need to skip history lessons during the Union ....

              That you did not have to visit them. So that there wouldn’t be any delusions in your head.

              Part of the front forces was introduced into Iran on August 25, 1941 in accordance with the Soviet-Iranian treaty and the agreement with England.

              The Iranians do not even realize that the USSR attacked them "in accordance with some kind of Soviet-Iranian treaty." Mythical.
              In fact, the USSR, together with Britain, simply attacked Iran in 1941.
              And already, without Britain, in 1944 the USSR attacked Bulgaria.
              And in 1945 he attacked Japan.
              All white is like that. And fluffy.
              1. commbatant Offline
                commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 21: 05
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                The Iranians do not even realize that the USSR attacked them "in accordance with some kind of Soviet-Iranian treaty." Mythical.

                You are definitely a troll ...

                The Soviet government repeatedly appealed to Iran to put an end to the activities of German agents, but Shah Reza Pahlavi and his government, pursuing a course towards an alliance with Nazi Germany, did not take the necessary measures. The situation was heating up. In view of this, on August 25, 1941, the Soviet government sent a note to the Iranian government stating that in accordance with article 6 of the Soviet-Iranian treaty of February 26, 1921, providing for the right of the USSR, in the event of a similar situation, temporarily send troops to Iranian territory, it decided to exercise this right. On the same day, according to the Soviet-English agreement, British troops entered Iran from the south.

                https://www.history-at-russia.ru/xx-vek/vtoraya-mirovaya-vojna/sovmestnye-dejstviya-sssr-i-anglii-v-irane.html

                Text of the contract

                https://ru-history.livejournal.com/4669044.html

                up to 22.06.1941/5/XNUMX only XNUMX people from the top leadership of the Reich knew about the Barbaross plan

                In fact, it was approved in 1940.

                https://www.1000dokumente.de/?c=dokument_de&dokument=0009_bar&l=ru&object=translation

                The fact that another plan was approved before it, and then canceled, you apparently have no idea ...
                1. Ravshan Offline
                  Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 21: 26
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                  Quote: commbatant
                  In fact, it was approved in 1940.

                  Actually, in 1941, after everything had cleared up for the Germans after the mission of the "crazy Hess."
                  Listen, stop bombarding me with links to resources that aren’t even worth mentioning.

                  Quote: commbatant
                  The fact that another plan was approved before it, and then canceled, you apparently have no idea ...

                  And the whole world, apparently, does not know, except for you.
                  If adjustments are made to a plan, they have been made to Barbaross’s plan many times, this does not mean that it is a different plan.
                  1. commbatant Offline
                    commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 21: 28
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                    Listen, stop bombarding me with links to resources that aren’t even worth mentioning.

                    Within half an hour you did not provide me with any of your links, nor any other sources confirming your nonsense, only blah blah blah ...
                    Do not write to me anymore, it is not interesting to communicate, from a word in general ...
                    1. Ravshan Offline
                      Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 21: 52
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                      Quote: commbatant
                      Within half an hour you did not provide me with any of your links, nor any other sources

                      Did I have to?
                      What kind of habit is it - falling asleep to the opponent with links to various kinds of garbage resources?
  3. Oleg Rambover Offline
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 21 September 2019 11: 09
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    Small episodes in Manchuria, near the lake. Hassan or in Mongolia - this is nonsense, this is not war, these are individual episodes on the spot, strictly limited. Japan was afraid to start a war, we didn’t want this either, and some test of strength on the patch showed that Japan had failed. They had 2-3 divisions and we have 2-3 divisions in Mongolia, the same number on Hassan. Our army has not yet waged a real, serious war.

    This is Comrade Stalin.

    The information that Lyushkov reported was extremely valuable to us. We got into our hands information about the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union in the Far East, their deployment, the construction of defensive structures, and about the most important fortresses and fortifications. In the information received from Lyushkov, we were struck by the fact that the troops that the Soviet Union could concentrate against Japan possessed, as it turned out, overwhelming superiority. At that time, that is, at the end of June 1938, our forces in Korea and Manchuria, which we could use against the Soviet Union, consisted of only 9 divisions ... Based on the information received from Lyushkov, the fifth section of the General Staff concluded that The Soviet Union can use up to 28 rifle divisions against Japan under normal conditions, and if necessary concentrate from 31 to 58 divisions ... The ratio in tanks and aircraft also looked alarming. Against 2000 Soviet aircraft, Japan could only deploy 340 and against 1900 Soviet tanks, only 170 ... Before that, we believed that the Soviet and Japanese armed forces in the Far East were related to each other as three to one. However, the actual ratio was approximately five or more to one. This made it virtually impossible to implement the previously drawn up plan of military operations against the USSR ...

    And here it is said that before Lyushkov, the Japanese rated the forces of the USSR much lower.
    1. Bakht Offline
      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 September 2019 15: 07
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      Losses of parties at Khalkhin Gol

      The irretrievable losses of the Soviet troops amounted to 9703 people (including 6472 dead, 1152 dead from wounds in hospitals, 8 dead from diseases, 2028 missing, 43 fatalities from accidents). Sanitary losses amounted to 15 952 people (including 15 251 wounded, shell-shocked and burned, 701 sick) ... In the studies of A. Nakanishi, the losses of the Soviet-Mongolian side amounted to 23 - 000
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      According to official Soviet data, the losses of the Japanese-Manchu troops during the battles from May to September 1939 amounted to more than 61 thousand people. killed, wounded and taken prisoner, including about 25 killed (of the killed about 000 thousand - actually Japanese losses). The officially declared losses of the Kwantung Army: 20 people - 17 killed, died and missing, 206 wounded and sick (officially), independent researchers give figures total losses of the Japanese-Manchurian group up to 45 thousand people(227 of them were captured, about 36 thousand were wounded)

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      Losses of parties in the Polish campaign of the Wehrmacht

      During the campaign, German troops, according to various estimates, lost from 8082 to 16 343 killed, 27 280 - 34 136 wounded, 320-5029 people missing
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      According to the post-war studies of the Bureau of War losses, in the battles with the Wehrmacht more than 66 thousand Polish troops (including 2000 officers and 5 generals). 133 thousand were wounded, and 420 thousand were in German captivity

      As I understand it, given the losses of the parties, the German-Polish war was also a minor episode. The losses in technology at Khalkhin Gol were much higher than during the war in the West in the 39th and 40s. Or comparable.

      He died and did not know if he died in a minor border conflict or at the beginning of the Third World War.
      1. Oleg Rambover Offline
        Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 21 September 2019 19: 04
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        So it was not I who said it, but Comrade Stalin. Do you think he was wrong? It is unlikely that he will be able to convince him, since he died. I suppose that he did not mean casualties (in Russia this was traditionally not the determining factor), but the limited conflict of geographically and the forces and means involved.
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          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 21 September 2019 21: 52
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          Officially, there has never been a war, and the events themselves in Pravda and TASS messages were interpreted as a provocation. That quote that you cite, Stalin spoke after the conflict (or war) with Finland. To show that the Red Army is READY for a serious war.
          Speaking in the official language, it was a conflict. In reality, these were military operations involving all military branches. The maximum Soviet group totaled 75 thousand people and several hundred tanks and armored vehicles. I don’t have exact aviation data at the moment, but some fights took place with the participation of 70-80 aircraft on each side.

          Report of the Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the People's Commissar of Foreign Affairs comrade V. M. Molotov on the foreign policy of the Government. October 31, 1939

          For several months, more precisely, during May, June, July, August and until mid-September, military operations took place in the Nomankhan district adjacent to the Mongol-Manchurian border, with the participation of Japanese-Manchurian and Soviet-Mongolian troops. All kinds of weapons, including aviation and heavy artillery, took part in the fighting during this period, and the battles sometimes took on a very bloody character. Unnecessary conflict caused considerable casualties on our side, but these casualties were several times greater on the Japanese-Manchurian side.

          PS From your statements, I conclude that you do not really like the USSR. It's your right. But the USSR is my homeland. Hence my intolerance for such statements. In Russia, there really were big casualties in the conduct of hostilities. And not only. But Russia and then the USSR WINS the war. And even after the pogrom of the 1990s, Russia could not be broken.

          Look, in the most cruel twentieth century for us, since 1904, we have lost almost half of our population. But who will doubt the determination of the remaining half?

          Many differences between the two societies that clashed in the war did not even stem from ideology, but from the contrasting features of civilizational experience, Western and Eastern European. Individualism on the one hand and collectivism on the other, rationality and emotionality, Protestant work ethic - and the enthusiasm of selflessness, the experience of the reformation and traditions of Orthodoxy.
          These differences existed long before the Petrine era, persisted in the Soviet era and will continue to exist after us for a long time. For five centuries in a row, the West demonstrated the victory of quality over quantity, the victory of Western rationality over the fatalism of non-Western peoples. That is why it has always been difficult for a Westerner to comprehend the special case of Russia, the genuine source of Russian power.
          1. Oleg Rambover Offline
            Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 22 September 2019 11: 28
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            Quote: Bakht
            That quote that you cite, Stalin spoke after the conflict (or war) with Finland. To show that the Red Army is READY for a serious war.

            Yes, April 40th. Funny, we read the same thing but draw different conclusions.
            From the same speech

            We defeated not only the Finns - this task is not so big. The main thing in our victory is that we defeated the technique, tactics and strategy of the advanced states of Europe, whose representatives were Finnish teachers. This is our main victory.

            Quite a complementary statement.
            Yes, the speech speaks of individual shortcomings, but the conclusion is drawn as follows.

            I don’t understand, you want to convince me that Stalin was wrong in his assessments of the events at Khalkhin Gol?

            Quote: Bakht
            PS From your statements, I conclude that you do not really like the USSR. It's your right.

            Why do you think so. Because of what I said about the attitude to the value of life in the USSR of Russia? You yourself agreed with this, in your opinion, when they talk about the negative moments of history, even if this is true, it denigrates (who, by the way?), And therefore, should we ignore these moments? I was born in the USSR, my happy childhood passed under him. I’m just fond of history from school and it bugs me when, for example, someone says that Japan refused to attack the USSR in 41 because of the events at Khalkhin Gol in 39 and therefore attacked the most powerful country in the world of the USA. It's a lie.
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              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 22 September 2019 11: 58
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              I do not draw conclusions on one statement. We have been in discussions with (various) for a long time. Therefore, I made this conclusion.

              I never said that Japan did not attack the USSR in the 41st because of the events at Khalkhin Gol. I believed that the conflict on Khalkhin Gol ended because of the conclusion of the Pact with Germany. On the contrary, I maintained and am still confident that Japan changed direction from North to South due to problems with the United States. The USA rendered invaluable service to the USSR precisely in the summer of the 41st year. But this is a different story. The Americans themselves believe that Japan attacked the States because of the actions of the USSR. In any case, hearings were held in the US Senate on the role of Sorge in the attack on the United States (it seems 1946 or 1947). But that is a different topic. Where there are few facts, and there are many more guesses than facts. In general, we know little about the contribution of the States to the victory of the Soviet Union. Everyone was obsessed with Lend-Lease. Fateful decisions were made in the summer and fall of 1941. That's where America's invaluable help was.

              Regarding the speech of Stalin. Indeed, we see different letters in the same text. Stalin talks about the flaws in the army. The fact that a lot of technology does not make the army stronger. What you need to work hard to improve. That even in the 40th year “thank God that we studied with Finnish aviation, and not German”
              I still believe that the fighting on Khalkhin Gol was a mini-war. No matter what Stalin said. Moreover, he showed that it was the war with Finland that revealed the big flaws. Well, I can’t accept that fighting for 4-5 months with thousands of dead, involving hundreds of tanks and planes, a group of 75 thousand people only from the Soviet side (and this is not 2-3 divisions, but the army) is not a war . And then what is war? Official announcement? He was not there, I agree with that.
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                Savigne 23 September 2019 19: 09
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                Quote: Bakht
                I believed that the conflict on Khalkhin Gol ended because of the conclusion of the Pact with Germany.

                Due to the fact that the Communists Mao managed to get rid of the Japanese.

                Quote: Bakht
                that Japan changed direction from North to South

                There was no "northern direction." Never.

                Quote: Bakht
                The USA rendered invaluable service to the USSR precisely in the summer of the 41st year.

                In fact, they wanted to spit on the USSR. But they hit Japan twice. For the first time in September 1940, the second time in March 1941, after which, even in the summer and autumn of 1941, the USSR was not interested in Japan. At all. There were enough problems with the USA.

                Quote: Bakht
                Everyone was obsessed with Lend-Lease. Fateful decisions were made in the summer and fall of 1941. That's where America's invaluable help was.

                Actually, the German attack on the USSR in June 1941 was a direct consequence of the US hitting Germany in March 1941. Then the Germans tested the situation with the help of the “crazy Hess” in May 1941. And when they found out for themselves, they made the final decision attack on the USSR to defeat the enemy one by one. And they started with the weakest and most accessible link.
                No one says that without the US hitting Germany in March 1941, there would be no war between Germany and the USSR. It would almost certainly have happened a little later. But the summer of 1941 was chosen by the Germans precisely because of the actions of the United States (and OK, of course).
                So “America’s help” is such a difficult thing.
              2. Oleg Rambover Offline
                Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 24 September 2019 15: 32
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                You draw the wrong conclusions.

                Quote: Bakht
                No matter what Stalin said. Moreover, he showed that it was the war with Finland that revealed the big flaws. Well, I can’t accept that fighting for 4-5 months with thousands of dead, involving hundreds of tanks and planes, a group of 75 thousand people only from the Soviet side (and this is not 2-3 divisions, but the army) is not a war . And then what is war? Official announcement? He was not there, I agree with that.

                I probably agree with you. It was a war, from a modern point of view, for sure. But I agree with Stalin that

                Japan was afraid to start a war, we also did not want to

                That Japan was not going to go to the Urals, and the USSR did not dream of the territory of Maji go (or whatever it was).
                By the way, and the Polish campaign of the Red Army for you then is also a war?

                Quote: Bakht
                That even in the 40th year “thank God that we studied with Finnish aviation, and not German”

                But the outcome of his speech was that

                The main thing in our victory is that we defeated the technology, tactics and strategy of the advanced states of Europe

                By the way, I read speeches by the top leadership of the Red Army at the December 40th conference, it’s too lazy to look for quotes, but the point is that the Red Army is the coolest because modern fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus passed by, and the Germans were weak only bypassing. And in their blitzkrieg there is nothing new, also Soviet deep operations with some improvements.
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            Savigne 23 September 2019 18: 54
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            Quote: Bakht
            From your statements, I conclude that you do not really like the USSR. It's your right. But the USSR is my homeland. Hence my intolerance for such statements.

            Do not love your modern country of residence, but love the USSR?
            And what did Russia do wrong to you? Or are you not living in Russia?

            Quote: Bakht
            But Russia and then the USSR WINS the war.

            Really? And what war did Russia win in the Far East?
            And then, what is Russia? Empire or federation?
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    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 22 September 2019 20: 42
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    It becomes even more “curious” when you find out that the “conflict on Lake Hassan and the Zaozernaya hill and Bezymiannaya hill” took place due to the unauthorized occupation of these (and some other) hills and heights by the Red Army and Soviet border guards. The Japanese at first, ofigeli from such impudence, and then tried to drive the Soviet troops out of their own will. The same thing happened at Haphin Gol. But here already, the Mongolian tsiks "distinguished themselves" by arbitrarily moving the border with Manzhou-go. This is precisely the real "secrets" associated with those conflicts - who, in fact, unleashed them. Well, about the losses at Khapkhin-Gol, officially, they are approximately equal on both sides, but unofficially-Soviet are twice as much. Moreover, the Japanese made a real defeat of Soviet aviation and armored forces. By the way, the so-called “victory” at Khalkhin-Gol played a cruel joke with Zhukov, who after she believed in the possibility of crushing any defense with an “avalanche of tanks” and then threw the tanks mercilessly at the German defense, losing them there in the thousands.
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      YUG64 (Yuri) 23 September 2019 14: 22
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      References can double the loss? Here the Japanese will be delighted when they learn about the defeat of the Red Army .. Presumably, they signed the world solely out of pity for the utterly defeated enemy ... Or maybe everything is much easier?
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    Savigne 23 September 2019 18: 36
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    They sent it from Moscow politely (after all, the Nonaggression Pact), but very harshly. The Führer was offended, pouted and began scribbling a plan for Barbarossa ...

    Well, as it were, not quite like that.
    In September 1940, the United States drove into Japan. It became clear that hitting Germany was a matter of time (they guessed it, hitting Germany, actually declaring it a hybrid war, took place in March 1941).
    Against this background, the Soviet Union in November 1940 decided to run into Germany. I mean, to share Europe with her on the terms of the USSR. But the Germans sent Comrade Dzhugashvili forest.
    At the same time, and indeed it is, Comrade. Dzhugashvili sent Herr Shiklgruber to the forest with his proposal to join the USSR in the Triple Alliance (which would be an extreme manifestation of stupidity, since this union had only slightly different chances of victory from absolute zero).
    After which it became clear that because of the conflict of interests of the war there was no escape. The parties began to prepare for it as early as the end of 1940. And who prepared how and how, it can be seen from 1941.
    On September 24, 1941, the USSR merged the Soviet-German war (did not pull it) and entered 2MB on the side of the Anglo-Saxons. Although the USSR began conducting preliminary negotiations on this since the end of June 1941.

    To begin with, Tokyo needed to conquer China, the key to mastering which was to be the capture of Manchuria and Mongolia.

    1. Deserts and forest-steppes of Manchuria, is this the key to success in China? The author knows how to make fun.
    2. Manchuria, this is the historical name of Mongolia. Greater Mongolia. And Mongolia (Mongolia) is a piece of large Mongolia that China has deprived of the USSR from China (it is territorially part of China). In Russia in ancient times Manchuria was called China.
    3. In Mongolia (large) live the Mongols. Or Manchurians, if historically. Or China, if in old Russian. The term "Mongolia" and "Mongols" is a remake of arr. 18-19 centuries In fact, there lived the Manchus, which in Russia were called China.
    4. China, this is an empire and many different peoples live there. The Mongols are not the most numerous people of China, the most numerous Han.
    5. Chinas or Manchurians or Mongols built the Great Wall of China, protecting themselves from raids by the Han with allies from the south. But that did not help them.
    6. The capital of modern China (Beijin or Beijing) is at the same time the historical capital of the Mongols / Manchu / Chinese (ancient China). It is north of the Great Wall of China. But Beijin (or Beijing) is not the historical boundary of the Han.
    7. Just as Europe at one time survived the invasion of barbarians from the east, so Ancient China at one time survived the invasion from the south. After which he lost his sovereignty (the Japanese in the 30s and 40s did something like autonomy under their auspices).
    8. Ancient China and modern China are not the same thing. Both by population and by border.
    Etc.

    The plans also included the capture of the entire Soviet Far East

    This author himself invented, apparently.

    Britain, the United States and France with might and main courted the Third Reich, not knowing which of the “small fry” there would still feed the Führer so that he would quickly turn his hordes against the USSR

    In fact, the USSR was that very small fineness. He was not interested in OK, the USA and France in general. And this is clearly visible in September 1939.
    The author does not know the story. But for some reason, "writes on historical topics."

    The only unpleasant surprise for the samurai was the immediate, practically, intervention of the Soviet Union in this war, and on the Chinese side. Soviet assistance was very impressive - they were not limited to military advisers and arms deliveries, entire factories for the production of weapons were built.

    Directly precipitated from the "discovery of the author." No, of course the USSR sent all kinds of "Komsomol volunteers" to Chan. Arms slightly haggled. But it was a trifle. And it ended after the USSR sent troops into that part of Manchuria, which today is called the MPR. Those. after the USSR overpowered part of its territory from China.
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    Savigne 23 September 2019 18: 43
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    in particular, the legendary Richard Sorge, who brought the samurai simply an incredible amount of problems.

    In fact, Sorge did not bring any special problems to the Japanese. In general, he scouted German information. Just because I had no access to the Japanese.

    Lyushkov immediately rushed to Japanese intelligence, which he offered his services, as they say, in all conceivable and unimaginable forms, poses and senses.

    Something seems to me that the author is sexually unstable. And maybe even unconventional. Otherwise, why such a colorful and detailed description of "Lyushkov's services"?

    I highly recommend that you familiarize yourself with the history of this particular moral monster.

    Clear business,. I wouldn’t be a freak, I would sign everything that they would say. And then he would stand against the wall and wait for a bullet in the back of the head.
    And so, of course. Moreover, moral, of course.

    Moreover, the traitor not only in detail, but to the nearest meter, to the depth of the last trench, described all the positions of the Red Army in the Far East, indicated the deployment, composition and armament of all military units concentrated there (and not only there!) Of which he was aware. But this bastard knew, oh, how many ...

    Well, for starters, most likely nothing was known about the Red Army to the head of the NKVD Directorate for the Far East. In addition to information of a very general nature.
    The author does not know what the USSR is.

    Up to the most secret radio codes of the NKVD and the Red Army, which he also brought to the Japanese on a silver platter and with a deep deflection of the spine.

    Let us suppose. But what did this have to do with the Red Army?
    In addition, the codes, of course, changed after his escape. So the author casts a shadow on the wattle fence.

    No, they made provocations, shelling, attempts to “move the border a little” in their favor almost daily, starting from the moment when the USSR “drew near”

    In fact, such "facts" seem to be known only to the author of this opus.

    Used tanks, aircraft, artillery, warships.

    Warships plowed the expanses of Lake Hassan? And were there battleships among them?

    Be that as it may, the stricken samurai were first kicked out of the hills and heights they occupied, and then they were driven into Manchu territory, from where they began to snap back with artillery fire.

    Actually, it was the USSR that attacked the Japanese under Hassan. About this, Marshal Blucher was indignant (commander in the Far East). Until he himself was arrested.
    But the USSR needed this conflict simply because the Japanese communists in China squeezed in such a way that kirdyk wandered very close to them. And so, in order to draw back some of the Japanese forces of the USSR, this conflict started.
    Everything turned out and the Mao Chinese from the Japanese drew off. And the fact that the fellow citizens died was a secondary fact for the Bolsheviks.

    Territorial claims were no longer put forward by the USSR, but by Mongolia, which, however, did not change much. The Mongolian People's Republic was at that time for our country, in fact, the only fraternal socialist state in the whole world.

    The author does not know the story. The MPR really appeared already noticeably after the war (Dzhugashvilya very “asked” Mao and he could not refuse). And in the 30s, the USSR squeezed part of its territory from China by establishing the puppet "state" of the MPR there.

    To give to the tear of samurai the strongly crumbling descendants of Genghis Khan

    In fact, the Manchus (or Chinese in Old Russian) were not any descendants of Genghis Khan. And they learned about their “great” past only after the repeated (after Great Tartary or Mogul-Tartary, if in Greek) conquest of Siberia by the Russians (tartars in the last reincarnation) under Catherine. They were persuaded for a long time, but today they still call themselves Mongols. And what to do, back in the 30s of the USSR, their "state" called "Mongolia." And them, the "Mongols." They humbled themselves. It was more expensive to argue.
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    Savigne 23 September 2019 20: 36
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    To give to the tear of samurai the strongly crumbling descendants of Genghis Khan

    The Japanese went to the so-called MPR, as it were, and not on my own. And as if on behalf of Manchuria (and with the support of Manchuria). Indeed, Manchurians lived in the MPR (in the USSR they were called Mongols). And the MPR itself was territorially part of Manchuria.
    But the USSR was not going to part with the squeezed part of the territory of China (and Manchuria). Despite the fact that there was no “right cause” there, it was not even visible nearby.
    Those. slice a piece of China and were very pleased with it.
    Well. And the losses .... This is not what most worried the Bolsheviks.

    The 57th Special Corps of the Red Army, deployed on Mongolian territory precisely in accordance with this agreement

    Agreement with whom?

    completely discouraging the Japanese desire to roam the Russian lands ..

    1. To the Soviet lands.
    2. The Japanese did not give in to anything like that.

    It was not without reason that in Japan it was always called it only "the second Russo-Japanese war"

    The author is a great dreamer.

    Samurai sat quietly throughout the Great Patriotic War, like a mouse under a broom, despite Hitler’s persuasion.

    1. The fact that Japan did not attack the USSR, the battles at Khalkhin Gol have nothing to do.
    2. Japan did not attack the USSR not only during the Second World War (22.06/24.09.1941/2/24.09.1941), but also during the period of the USSR’s participation in WWII in Europe (08.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX).
    3. The USSR itself attacked Japan in 1945.

    not a single war, big or small, and, moreover, not a single soldier, no matter in what battle he fought for our common Motherland, should be forgotten by us - if we want the Motherland to live.

    Just in case, I want to remind the author that the Motherland, for which he so ardently urges to fight, quacked already 28 years ago. And so I want to ask the author, where and how did he fight for her?
    As for the Russian Federation, this is not the RSFSR and this country has a distant relationship to the USSR. The Russian Federation is just the legal successor of the USSR. But not his heir. And not even the heir of the RSFSR. In general, the Russian Federation did not fight with Japan.
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      commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 19: 42
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      As for the Russian Federation, this is not the RSFSR and this country has a distant relationship to the USSR. The Russian Federation is just the successor of the USSR. But not his heir.

      I do not agree with this author ... Because. the assignee is a new person, replacing the old liquidated, respectively, it is correct to say that the Russian Federation is the successor and assignee of the USSR, because somewhere, the Russian Federation continued the legal capacity of the liquidated state (receivables and payables, property, etc.), and somewhere it continued (a place in international organizations, moreover, the Russian Federation, in this regard, is a successor to both the USSR and the RSFSR , the situation is also regarding the successors of the BSSR and the Ukrainian SSR, respectively, Belarus and Ukraine, having received their seats at the UN) .... respectively, all other Union republics, except the indicated ones, are neither successors, nor successors of the USSR ....
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        Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 20: 17
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        ... accordingly, it is right to say that the Russian Federation is the successor and successor of the USSR.

        Hell no.
        The assignee is not an heir, and moreover not a successor.
        And then you will so soon agree to the point that Germany is a successor to the Reich. And Germany is just the successor to the Reich.

        Quote: commbatant
        moreover, the Russian Federation, in this regard, is the successor of both the USSR and the RSFSR

        Not a successor, but a successor. And these are different things.
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          commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 20: 27
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          And then you will so soon agree to the point that Germany is a successor to the Reich.

          Germany is a new entity .....
          The Russian Federation-is the assignee and successor of the USSR ....

          The Russian Empire, the RSFSR, the USSR and the Russian Federation are one and the same participant in interstate relations, the same subject of international law, which has not ceased to exist, is continuous.

          https://time-impressions.ru/blog/11103.html
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            Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 20: 39
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            Quote: commbatant
            Germany is a new entity .....

            And the Russian Federation is a new entity.
            Have you ever heard the word "Constitution"? So take an interest in what it means. And also examine whether there is something in common between the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the RSFSR and the USSR.
            Very surprised, but there is nothing in common.

            Quote: commbatant
            The Russian Federation-is the assignee and successor of the USSR ....

            And once again - the RF is the successor of the USSR, but NOT the successor of the USSR.
            In the same way, Germany is the successor, but NOT the successor to the Reich.

            Quote: commbatant
            https://time-impressions.ru/blog/11103.html

            These links are not interesting to me.
            And all the more ridiculous is the assertion that the USSR was a successor to the Republic of Ingushetia, although the Bolsheviks publicly and defiantly refused even the legal succession of the Republic of Ingushetia, not that they inherited it.
            The Russian Federation is a young state that is only 28 years old. Russia, even in WW2, in which victory is celebrated very pompously, did not participate.
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              commbatant (Sergei) 30 November 2019 20: 43
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              Quote: Ravshan
              Quote: commbatant
              https://time-impressions.ru/blog/11103.html

              These links are not interesting to me.

              Why the hell are you writing to me, not giving your arguments, except for your nonsense

              Germany is the successor, but NOT the successor to the Reich.

              A troll with someone else ...
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    trahterist (Elmars) 29 September 2019 14: 51
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    Therefore, they did not climb in the 41st, because they raked in 39!

    But it’s nothing that since September 1940, the Japanese had serious problems with the United States, which in March 1941 became simply huge. And the Japanese simply were not up to the USSR.

    The problems with the Japanese in the United States began much later.
    And not even after Pearl Harbor.
    And somewhere from the battles of Midway, the Solomon Islands and other kundels.
    Before these battles, the Yaps quite successfully tumbled out both the American Navy and the Airforce.
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      Ravshan (Jamsut) 30 November 2019 20: 21
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      Quote: trahterist
      The problems with the Japanese in the United States began much later.
      And not even after Pearl Harbor.

      Problems with the Japanese began in the fall of 1940. After the 1st US hitting.
      After the 2nd arrival of the USA (in the spring of 1941), their problems became very serious.
      Then, at the end of 1941, Pearl Harbor followed.
      Just quietly surrender, sobbing into a rag, the Japanese did not want to. Although they, like the Axis countries in Europe, had no chance of defeating the Anglo-Saxons.