Patience snapped: Russia made a choice between Iran and Israel in Syria

The attack on the oil facilities of Saudi Arabia once again intensified the confrontation in the Middle East, which has recently faded somewhat and began to turn into something sluggish and permanent. Despite the seemingly conciliatory statements made so far from Washington, the region again smelled of gunpowder, and almost stronger than in all recent times. At this difficult moment, our country, unwittingly, has to decide on the question of which side it is ready to take with this or that development of the situation.




In fact, to make a choice between the two states with which she tried until recently to maintain smooth and balanced partnerships. Iran or Israel? Certain points give reason to believe that a concrete decision in the Kremlin has already been taken. In whose favor?

Syrian Rift


Отношения России и Израиля, долгое время просто не имевших поводов для взаимных претензий, в последние годы не просто строились на принципах взаимного понимания и уважения, а были, можно сказать, вполне дружественными. Москва могла «притормозить» выгодные для нее контракты по поставке вооружений в арабские страны или даже вовсе отказаться от них, если в Тель-Авиве выражали озабоченность по данному поводу. Израиль же, в свою очередь, не стал участником проводимой с подачи Вашингтона и обязательной для всех союзников США кампании по политическому шельмованию и экономическому давлению на нашу страну, начатой после присоединения к России Крыма. Немалую роль тут сыграли, без сомнения некие «особые отношения», имевшиеся между лидерами двух государств – израильским премьером Биньямином Нетаньяху и нашим президентом Владимиром Путиным. Лидер еврейского государства был всегда желанным гостем в Москве, принимал участие в Парадах Победы. Казалось бы, все было просто замечательно и возвращения ситуации к тем временам, когда военные наших стран (вернее, тогда еще – Израиля и СССР) рассматривали друг друга через прорезь прицела и участвовали в боях друг против друга, даже представить было нельзя…

Вся эта идиллия оказалась под угрозой с момента начала военной операции, проводимой нашей страной в Сирии по просьбе ее правительства. Именно тогда сложившийся статус-кво между Москвой и Тель-Авивом начал подвергаться все более серьезным испытаниям. И причиной тут стал Иран, а, вернее, присутствие в Сирии и участие борьбе с «Исламским государством» как регулярных его формирований, так и иррегулярных групп, поддерживаемых Тегераном. Для Израиля (что характерно, вовсе не рвавшегося воевать с ИГИЛ), «иранский вопрос» давным-давно превратился в идефикс на уровне чуть ли не паранойи. В Тель-Авиве категорически не намерены мириться ни с присутствием вооруженных представителей страны, которую они считают свои врагом №1 в непосредственной близости от собственной границы, ни, тем более, с усилением позиций и значимости Тегерана в регионе. «Решать проблему» израильтяне принялись в своей обычной манере – регулярно устраивая авиарейды, и нанося молниеносные удары по объектам и транспортным средствам, которые, как они считали, иранцы используют в военных целях. Все бы ничего – но места, атакуемые ВВС ЦАХАЛ находились на территории Сирии. Со временем действия военных Израиля приобретали все большую дерзость, если не сказать – наглость. Самое главное – при этом начисто игнорировались интересы не только Дамаска, но и Москвы.

Patience burst?


В сложившейся ситуации и командование дислоцированной в Сирии группировки ВКС России, и даже высшее руководство как наших Вооруженных сил, так и государства в целом проявили огромную, прямо-таки невероятную выдержку. По мнению очень многих – даже чрезмерную. Долгое время вместо того, чтобы военной силой заставить израильтян поумерить собственный пыл, Москва шла по пути уговоров и увещеваний. Для предотвращения инцидентов еще в 2015 году была создана специальная «горячая линия» по которой должны были передаваться сообщения о готовящихся авиаударах. Однако, представители ЦАХАЛ злоупотребляли этим проявлением взаимного доверия самым бессовестным образом – «предупреждения» следовали буквально в самый последний момент, когда предпринять какие-либо меры не то что для предотвращения атаки, а даже для вывода из-под удара российских военных было уже физически невозможно. Закончилось все это самым трагическим образом – гибелью в сентябре 2018 года самолета-разведчика ВКС России Ил-20 и его экипажа в полном составе. Прозвучавшие после этого из Москвы грозные «последние предупреждения» не особо напугали Тель-Авив. Равно, как и последовавшая за этим практически моментально поставка сирийцам ЗРК С-300, против которой там возражали буквально с пеной у рта. Приутихнув на какое-то время, привыкшие к безнаказанности стервятники из ЦАХАЛ лишь видоизменили и усовершенствовали тактику авианалетов, но отказываться от них и не подумали. Да еще, вдобавок и принялись «пробовать на прочность» нашу ПВО…

Теперь, похоже, терпение у Кремля лопнуло окончательно. Сколько бы Нетаньяху не заявлял по итогам своего последнего московского визита о том, что благодаря его личной дружбе с Владимиром Владимировичем о каких-либо «столкновениях» военных двух стран в Сирии и речи быть не может, во многих западных СМИ, и, прежде всего, в израильской же Jerusalem Post была опубликована прямо противоположная информация. Оказывается, в ходе переговоров с израильским премьером Путин уже не предупредил, а пригрозил: еще одна попытка «немножко побомбить» любой объект на территории Сирии, иранский или нет, и сделавший ее самолет ЦАХАЛ будет сбит без всякой жалости. Причем не сирийцами, а российскими ПВО или ВКС. Впрочем, и сирийским военным отныне бить на поражение по воздушным налетчикам не возбраняется. Прямым подтверждением абсолютной достоверности этой информации можно считать сообщения о, как минимум трех уже сорванных израильских авианалетах на Сирию. Во всех случаях на перехват боевых машин ВВС ЦАХАЛ поднимались истребители ВКС России (по некоторым данным – Су-35С с базы Хмеймим). Все это, правда, не помешало тому же Нетаньяху в очередной раз высказаться насчет того, что «Тель-Авив не намерен мириться с угрозами, исходящими от Ирана», да еще и уточнить, что речь идет об «агрессии с сирийской территории». Очевидно, пока все-таки не доходит.

However, judging by the results of the recent parliamentary elections, the current Prime Minister Netanyahu is already political "Yesterday" of Israel. With whom in Tel Aviv Russia will have to deal in the future, we will see. One way or another, but further "multi-vector" for our country in the Middle East is hardly possible. And, by the way, another confirmation of which side Moscow chose was the words of the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Hassan Rouhani, who recently announced that a final agreement was reached between his country and Russia, as well as Turkey and Iraq, on settlements in national currencies , using, as he said, "an alternative SWIFT payment system." In fact, in this case we can only talk about the Russian SPFS. The Iranian leader was very optimistic about this event, calling it "the beginning of a serious struggle against the dollar around the world," which should lead the United States "to weaken and lose hegemony." Well, well, if so. In any case, against the backdrop of the thickening geopolitical clouds of Russia, it is much more logical to choose allies among the "best enemies" of the United States than among their faithful vassals and satellites.
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  1. gorenina91 Offline
    gorenina91 (Irina) 20 September 2019 09: 13
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    -Yes, the "casket" just opens ... Since Israel is more and more afraid of Iran, then ... then ... then ... then less and less Israel is becoming interesting to Russia ... Well , the Israeli leader to Russia frequented ... well, takes part in various celebrations ... parades, memorial openings, etc. ... Well, fly in, take part ... sorry, or something ...
    - Well, then what ???
    - Well, maybe Israel can still substitute someone with a quiet glander (expose someone else’s plane to attack), it can still fire at a not-so-professional enemy from foreign territory .. devastated by a long war ...
    -Yes, Israel still succeeds ...
    - But it all began to resemble some acts of desperate ostentatious self-hypnosis to myself; recalls the attempts at least somehow, at least to show and prove that he (Israel) is still “in shape” and that, supposedly ... - he can still play in “this heavy weight” ...
    - Meanwhile, the weight of Israel is getting lighter and lighter ... - And its fear of Iran is becoming more and more noticeable ... - And the range of yesterday’s territorial power of Israel has already begun to narrow ... - Such a "shagreen skin" ...
    - Time has changed ... - Israel has money; there is a well-armed, equipped and professionally trained army; there is a guarantee of the powerful of this world, which enables Israel to maintain its world prestige; but nonetheless, Israel began to lose credibility as an unquestioning leader in this "Arab region" ...
    - Israel "overslept" and "slammed" Iran; slammed his gain ... - I thought that everything would cost by bombing and periodic strikes ... - I "overslept" Turkey’s gain ... - And you will have to pay a lot for it ... - And very soon ...
    - In the meantime ... - this is how the Israeli leaders will now fly to Russia (one after another) ... - in an attempt to find support ... Or, maybe, "watching" the place for the mass emigration of Jews to Russia .. . -Hahah ...
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 20 September 2019 10: 03
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      Israel, in itself, in the "heavyweight" never could and could not, and can not, and its army was sufficient and modern only in the framework of the struggle with its closest neighbors, but nothing more. Everyone counts with this country only:
      a) because of the Jewish diaspora in the USA, which = the global financial oligarchy, which has been covering and financing it since its inception;
      b) due to the attitude to the difficult fate of the Jewish people in connection with the events of the Holocaust. But at the moment, the US global financial oligarchy is slowly, but still beginning to lose ground, and this is affecting Israel. Yes, and with us, this “Sherkhan” relationship is getting worse, so now with the “Tobacco” fuss ...
      The rest I agree.
      1. Robert Robertovich 20 September 2019 10: 37
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        I agree, 2006 showed everything to everyone, the Zionists do not have a normal army, and the recent aggravation on the border with Lebanon has once again confirmed this. They just urgently evacuated the base.



        black and red banners ...
      2. griza Offline
        griza (Grigory Zarankin) 8 October 2019 19: 35
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        Once, in a six-day war, Soviet pilots also spoke of Israel with a great deal of indulgence. What came of this, everyone knows. Today, the Russian army is quite powerful, but it would be a huge mistake to think that the Israeli army is less powerful. Yes, and motivation has been added. And more. Plus, do not forget the words of Golda Meir:

        We have one "secret" weapon - we have nowhere to retreat!

        Remember: "Moscow is behind us!" So, there is nothing behind us. Therefore, do not drive us into a corner. We are small but distant. Therefore, we do not pay much attention to threats and waving a finger. All over the world it is known that Russia maintains relations with the Arab countries only because of oil. Tomorrow something will change, but the Arabs easily, and everything will turn upside down. In the meantime, be friends. Did the Chechens cut the throats of the Russian boys a little? And now, best friends. Few Arabs blew up Russia? Now friends. Such friendship always goes sideways. And only Israel realizes this.
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    3. TAYAS Offline
      TAYAS (Grisha) 21 September 2019 15: 55
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      Quote: gorenina91
      -Hahah ...

      You yourself laughed at your reasoning
      You always need to really look at the situation and it looks like this
      1 Моджтаба Зоннур сказал, что его страна способна за полчаса уничтожить Израиль.
      Ахмад Каримпур, советник министра обороны Ирана заявил, что если верховный лидер страны Али Хаменеи отдаст приказ уничтожить государство Израиль, то иранская армия должна сделать это быстро за 8 минут.
      You can find all these statements on the Internet.
      2 Чтобы было легче объяснить я приведу карту:


      In northern Lebanon, there is Hezbollah, which is financed and armed with Iran. It has about 130 thousand short-range missiles and about several thousand medium-range missiles.
      They cover the north and center of Israel.
      In the south, Gaza is also funded and equipped with weapons and consultants, and there are thousands of missiles that cover the south and center of Israel.
      Сейчас Иран старается обосноваться в Сирии и в районе Голан устроить так же свои базы с более современными и точными ракетами и строить трафик этих ракет в Ливан.
      And what we have:
      North and center of Israel shells Hezbollah.
      Юг и центр Хамас.
      From Syria, the north and center of Israel are the IRGC.
      And Iran itself is turning on long-range missiles.
      These are those 8 or 30 minutes that Iranian politicians and the military are talking about.
      You understand that israel will not wait until this happens.
      This is what happens.
      And no matter how someone would like to drag Russia into this. it will not happen.

      The president (Putin) emphasized that Moscow would be ready to use nuclear weapons, only making sure that "someone, a potential aggressor, is striking Russia." To this end, Russia has a missile attack early warning system.

      Такая же система и ПРАВО есть и у Израиля.
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        1. TAYAS Offline
          TAYAS (Grisha) 21 September 2019 21: 29
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          Quote: Conn
          Wailing, how scary.

          And that’s right.
          There was already the USSR and the Six Day War, and the Doomsday War, and Syria in 1982.
          The current leadership of Russia has a better memory.
          Remember, Israel defends its right to exist, not polytechnical intrigues!
    4. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 00
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      Israel is not afraid of Iran. He constantly strikes at Iranian targets in Syria and has already begun in Iraq too. If he was afraid of Iran, he would not dare to do so. But Iran has never seriously responded to Israel’s attacks. Compare Iran’s behavior towards Saudi Arabia and Israel. It’s completely different. It seems that Iran is seriously afraid of Israel. Then what does it mean

      Israel slept through the strengthening of Iran and Turkey.

      Не подскажете, а как он мог их не проспать? Он как раз не проспал и давно ведет борьбу с нацистским режимом Ирана разными методами. Но Израиль в военном отношении гораздо сильнее и Ирана, и Турции. Экономика у Израиля тоже сильная. Он экспортирует много хайтека, самой передовой военной техники. Ну, и конечно союз с Америкой. Так что, напрасно вы сбрасываете Израиль из расчета сил на Ближнем Востоке. Ну и потом, действительно он защищается от угроз, исходящих от Ирана, который постоянно грозится уничтожить Израиль. Так что, тут к Израилю не придерешься. Самозащита законна по любому. Ну, и насчет эмиграции евреев из Израиля - это вы, мадам, явно выдаете желаемое за действительное. Все как раз наоборот. Сейчас быстро растет эмиграция евреев из России в Израиль. Израиль весьма силен на сегодняшний день и выиграл все войны с арабами, которые у них были. Даже крупномасштабная советская военная помощь оружием и советниками не помогла.
  2. Sergey Latyshev Offline
    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 20 September 2019 09: 19
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    Bullshit. Just the day before, we agreed with Israel. The Kremlin will not throw its promised land.
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      Pishenkov (Alexey) 20 September 2019 10: 06
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      It's not about throwing. It’s like with your beloved dog - you can feed, pet, but you should not let him eat right from the table and justify the legs of the bed ... laughing
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        Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 21 September 2019 17: 11
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        Like, we weren’t allowed to piss on the bed, but they themselves ..... strike in Syria ... and ours visit them on vacation, on weekends, etc.?

        Or is it about Iran - to eat from the table, etc.? So, it seems, was not heard ...

        Money doesn't smell. Abramovich as witnesses ...
        1. Pishenkov Offline
          Pishenkov (Alexey) 23 September 2019 09: 13
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          No, "eating from the table and making up the legs of the bed" is exclusively about Israel ... And ours go a lot to visit, etc., and this does not mean at all that these are countries friendly to us ...
          1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
            Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 September 2019 09: 29
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            Judging by recent negotiations, the President chose Israel ...
            And all-all, including Iran, gave promises-to behave well .... and phoned, only bomb terrorists.
            1. Pishenkov Offline
              Pishenkov (Alexey) 23 September 2019 09: 37
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              Я сильно сомневаюсь, что он вообще кого-то выбрал... Ему просто балансировать приходится на грани чужих интересов, пытаясь соблюдать свои. В этом я ему, кстати, совсем не завидую... А что касается обещаний, так из всех, кто там задействован (по Сирии), верить, что обещания эти исполнят, можно как раз больше всего именно Ирану, только потом туркам, потом американцам и Израилю на самом последнем месте. Хотя вообще все трое последних партнёров аховые, что до обещаний и их исполнения на практике... no
              1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 23 September 2019 09: 41
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                Somewhere like that, but Israel is everything for our elite ...
                1. Pishenkov Offline
                  Pishenkov (Alexey) 23 September 2019 11: 37
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                  Если вы имеете ввиду ту элиту, о которой я думаю, и для которых "Израиль-наше всё", то тут Израилю, видимо, стоит сильно расстроиться: их "наше всё", то есть "их всё", никак не связано напрямую с территорией этой страны, её армией или правительством. Если что, типа "петух жареный всё-таки клюнет в пятую точку", то переедет это "всё" в другое место, где поспокойнее, не впервой... wink
                  1. Sergey Latyshev Offline
                    Sergey Latyshev (Serge) 24 September 2019 08: 57
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                    That is yes. But if not Israel bites, but, for example, Voronezh, they will nevertheless come to Israel ...
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                      Pishenkov (Alexey) 24 September 2019 10: 18
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                      I agree. But if Israel pecks, then there is still where to go, and not necessarily to Voronezh wink
  3. Robert Robertovich 20 September 2019 10: 26
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    The author clearly does not understand that Russia has no choice, do not give a damn about the fate of the Zionist-Nazi kagal, but Iran’s loss will mark the US base in the Caspian, so we will help Iran in any situation and Tel Aviv’s Wishlist will not change anything. And our intervention in Syria is proof of this, because after Syria they would have taken up Iran.
    1. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 20 September 2019 11: 04
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      Well, about fate, you, in my opinion, have gone too far ...
      Не знаю, как насчёт базы США на Каспии, но и вообще с любой точки зрения, в том числе и экономической, Иран крупный и важный партнёр в регионе, да и в мире. Израиль сам по себе, без США, +/- 0.
    2. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 06
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      Уважаемый, нацистский режим как раз в Иране, а не в Израиле. Кто кого грозит уничтожить? Иран грозит уничтожить Израиль. Израиль Ирану не грозит. Израиль защищается, а вы хотите лишить его права на самозащиту? Так вы сами тогда, по ходу, нацик.
      1. Pishenkov Offline
        Pishenkov (Alexey) 23 September 2019 09: 19
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        А в Иране откуда, извините, нацистский режим? И кто кому грозит - это "мама надвое сказала". Грозит сейчас кто кому - это мода в мире пошла такая, особенно Штаты всему свету то тут, то там, но пока что-то тишина... И слава богу... А израильтяне вот реально бомбят и убивают людей на территории сопредельного государства, прикрываясь при этом тем, что им кто-то якобы угрожает, а также тем, что их народ пострадал от нацистов... Давно уже, правда, но всё-таки пострадал. Тем не менее, это не повод позволять себе всё, что угодно, восемьдесят лет спустя и ожидать безнаказанности...
  4. rotfuks Offline
    rotfuks (Ivanov Ivan) 20 September 2019 15: 21
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    Well, the best advertisement for Russian weapons and not come up with. And then Israel does not produce its own weapons. They have American planes, tanks they have Leopard 2 in Israeli tuning, half of the army of combat feminists. But they are such lovers of rattling weapons.
    1. boriz Offline
      boriz (boriz) 21 September 2019 02: 05
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      Well, I don’t know, Merkava is not at all like a Leopard, it’s a conceptually different car. Rather, a very powerful BMP. And obviously his own. And with drones they have more than good. And his small arms and good. And they obviously have nuclear weapons. And there were planes, just the USA bent them under the F-35. Armored vehicles have their own, ATGM, OTR. Simply, open even Wiki, and you will understand that they are fundamentally wrong. The enemy is serious, in many ways you can blame them, but not in neglect of the army and its armament.
      1. Alexey Ilyin Offline
        Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 23 September 2019 07: 20
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        Under the F-35, the Israelis did not have to be tilted. This is a great plane and they are very happy with it. His criticism is trash. Garbage.
    2. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 19
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      Вам бы сперва матчасть подучить, прежде чем такую чушь городить. Израиль как раз производит очень много военной техники на самом передовом уровне - в основном, это ракеты всех видов, радары, средства радиотехнической разведки и средства РЭБ, стрелковка, артиллерия, оптика, сторожевые катера и ракетные корветы. Из корветов, три построили в США, сейчас заказали четыре в Германии, а остальные свои, и у них очень продвинутые свои корветы тоже. Да, самолеты у них сейчас американские, но многое из их оборудования - своё. Когда-то они выпускали истребители Кфир на базе французских Миражей и создали истребитель Лави класса Ф-16, но в производство он не пошел - американцы не хотели конкуренции своим Ф-16. Но при острой необходимости, Израиль может возобновить проект Лави. Они также выпускали по лицензии реактивные двигатели для Фантомов и были готовы производить движок для Лави. Ну а насчет танков - так вы вообще просто опозорились. Какой на хрен Леопард, когда они выпускают свою Меркаву, и между прочим, свою КАЗ (если вы знаете, что это такое). Женщин в их армии, конечно же, гораздо меньше половины, а оружием бряцают их враги, а они отвечают, соответственно.
  5. Port Offline
    Port 20 September 2019 17: 03
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    There is nothing to choose there, the Zionists - the enemies of Russia, have been, are and will be.
    1. Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 21 September 2019 04: 08
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      Zionists, perhaps, and even most likely, the people of Israel, are impossible, these are not banderlogs to you, if the Chinese are grateful to the USSR (and they are not all), then the Jews are, moreover, they are crafty, but not stupid.
      1. Alekcandr Sokolenko (Alekcandr Sokolenko) 21 September 2019 04: 11
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        The enemies of Russia are not Jews and not Americans, but the Moscow kamepto camarilla, which only the lazy, from Soviet times, has not had, hence all the defeats of Russia.

        Do not look for enemies far, they are all under your nose ...

        mummers in "their".
    2. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 24
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      You, along the way, have no idea what Zionism is. He has only one single goal - to create a Jewish state and resettle there as many Jews as possible from around the world. And with these tasks they are quite successful. They have no other goals, and they have no complaints against Russia. This, on the contrary, Russia has always armed and incited the enemies of Israel. So, rather, Russia is the enemy of Israel than Israel is Russia. Although so far they get along well with Putin.
  6. bobba94 Offline
    bobba94 (Vladimir) 20 September 2019 17: 25
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    I read the article, then read on the internet about the Arab-Israeli wars, starting in 1947, ..... where, when, who won, who lost. Conclusion: the author of the article is either ideological or taught history according to Fomenko-Nosovsky.
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      Astronaut (San Sanych) 20 September 2019 20: 16
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      You, you see, read the article poorly. And here about the Arab-Israeli wars ?
      We are talking about a possible direct Russian-Israeli clash ...
      1. Alexey Ilyin Offline
        Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 35
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        А такие столкновения в прошлом происходили и ничем хорошим для России не кончались. В 1970 году на берегах Суэцкого канала шли бои между регулярными воинскими частями советских ПВО и ВВС и ВВС Израиля. Исход этих боев известен - сломить Израиль не удалось. В Сирии, в меньшей степени, тоже сталкивались, а в 1982 году израильтяне просто порвали ПВО и ВВС Сирии в Ливане, несмотря на самые передовые на то время ЗРК Квадрат и С-125, а в воздухе МиГ-23 на вооружении сирийцев. В 1973 году начало войны было для Израиля неудачным, но конец всему делу венец - разгром египетской и сирийской армий. Израильские войска остановились в 100 км от Каира (форсировав Суэцкий канал) и в 30 км от Дамаска. СССР тогда такой визг поднял, боялись, что Израиль захватит столицы Сирии и Египта и свергнет их правящие режимы. Хотя на деле Израилю это было совершенно не нужно. Это были кремлевские фантазии. А что Израилю было нужно, это сокрушить военную машину этих двух агрессоров. И они ее сокрушили. Можно не сомневаться, что и впредь сокрушат, если придется.
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          Astronaut (San Sanych) 25 September 2019 18: 46
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          Do not confuse the presence of instructors in a military clash with a war between states.
          In Korea, the USSR and the USA also fought against each other, but the war was between Koreas.

          The USSR then raised such a screech, they were afraid that Israel would seize the capitals of Syria and Egypt and overthrow their ruling regimes.

          And I don’t even want to comment on this nonsense ...
  7. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 September 2019 17: 52
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    The right choice, it was high time for them to land on the ground.
    1. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 40
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      First you need to have a landing gear, otherwise the hernia would not come out.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 22 September 2019 14: 31
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        Quote: Alexey Ilyin
        First you need to have a landing gear, otherwise the hernia would not come out.

        Do not worry, the landing site already has experience too (starting from the DPRK and ending with South Ossetia) and, strangely enough, the hernia after that did not come out. And this time, too, everything will be fine.
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          griza (Grigory Zarankin) 8 October 2019 19: 57
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          Yes, you didn’t cope with your little “landlord” with little Chechnya. And your experience with the DPRK and Ossetia can be stuck in one place. The whole problem is that Russia has always supported and is supporting the Arab countries, which are engaged in terrorism with great pleasure (here, of course, both oil and gas). Despite the fact that she herself is very suffering from terror. But this is of little interest to your rulers. After all, not their children perish. Or need examples? So I have them. And it will be good when it is good for your retirees, people with disabilities, when the youth won’t think where to find work, when education, medicine will rise ... This is all to raise, a hernia will really come out. But you need to try, and not think about Israel. Israel is able to take care of itself.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 9 October 2019 11: 50
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            Наши солдаты достойно и героически выполнили свой долг в Чечне, КНДР, Осетии, которые перед ними были поставлены. В отличие от вас, которые развязали в своей стране террористическую войну против собственного народа, которые отказались присягать бандере и нацикам в своем "Куеве. Ещё не хватало того, чтобы кто-то смел оскорблять тех пацанов, которые прошли ту войну.

  8. Oleg Rambover Offline
    Oleg Rambover (Oleg Rambover) 20 September 2019 18: 34
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    For Iran, the United States used to be the Great Satan, and the USSR the Lesser Satan. Interestingly, the current RF inherited this honorary title or what?
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    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 20 September 2019 21: 29
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    Премьер Нетаньяху, как противная лиса, желает, как и Лукашенко, сидеть на двух стульях, но подлостью так и пышет даже к России.
    1. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 49
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      And what is the meanness? Rather, villainy goes from Russia to Israel. Blame it on your health and ascribe to another (Israel) the blunders of your Syrian allies and your own military - you will not name anything but meanness. To the credit of the Russian military, many of them immediately disproved Konashenkov's nonsense, which was completely obvious to professionals from the air defense and air forces. Even Colonel Alksnis, a member of the Duma, immediately rejected the gross fake of the Russian Defense Ministry that, say, an Israeli fighter hid behind the IL-20. This is not to mention the fact that Israeli planes were no longer near Syria when the Il-20 was shot down. But the Kremlin decided to commit meanness in order to cover up its stupid allies and their own lazy people, who showed themselves not in the best way.
  10. Monster_Fat Offline
    Monster_Fat (What's the difference) 20 September 2019 22: 14
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    It is clear that Israel is not a friend of Russia, but Islamic Iran is not even a great friend and, one might even say, an enemy. Israel nevertheless supported Russia in certain conditions, but Iran, not only has supported and supports Shiite Islamists in Russia and around the world, it is also a competitor to Russia in the oil and gas market. Russia needs to say thanks to the sanctions, because of which Iran cannot freely trade its resources on the foreign market, but what if it could trade them? But Israel only consumes resources and, therefore, Russia is not a competitor in their trade. In addition, the Jewish lobby is widely represented in the highest echelons of power in many countries, through marriages and “business bankers” close to the government, which is not and cannot be in Islamic, radical Iran. So think - with whom is it more profitable and more promising for Russia to be “friends”? wink
    1. gorenina91 Offline
      gorenina91 (Irina) 21 September 2019 07: 57
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      In addition, the Jewish lobby is widely represented in the highest echelons of power in many countries, through marriages and “business bankers” close to the government, which is not and cannot be in Islamic, radical Iran.

      -Да, про еврейское лобби... - всё верно.. - А вот про исламское лобби нет... -Так было вчера, а не сегодня.., т.к. "ситуация" уже кардинально начала меняться...
      - And Iran, when this terrible gin is nevertheless released from the durable anti-infectious and anti-epidemiological autoclave intended for it ..., it can manifest its influence not necessarily through its own Iranians and in general the inhabitants of the Middle East ... - For this, there is a monstrous mass of another "suitable contingent ", which filled the whole world ... - but at least in the current Zap. Europe. Yes, even in Russia, where in all Russian cities there are already a lot of "Bakhtiyars"; and the neighboring, former "Bakhtiyar republics" ... - the current "state-limotrophs" ... - also to help them ... - Yes, and among Europeans, too, brainless frostbitten human beings come across that easily commit any act of terrorism, being the same radical Islamists ...
      - Yes, and ISIS itself ... - is that .. ??? - And this is the most that neither, the international Islamic international radical organization component, which he directs; an Islamic lobby located in the highest echelons of power, ready to issue an order itself ... - that for carrying out terrorist attacks, that for armed demonstrations, that even for starting local wars ...
      - And also ready to fulfill the “other people's orders” ... to fulfill all the same savage “mission-tasks” set before him ...
      - And the worst thing is that this Islamic lobby is becoming more and more influential, independent and independent ... - And also rich ... - Here Iran is the most “suitable state” for the embodiment of all of these "radical ideas" ... - Yes, and unpredictable Turkey, too, and Saud. Arabia, and Yemen, and Libya ... etc .. - So ... - Alas ...
      1. xilia72 Offline
        xilia72 (xantos) 22 September 2019 00: 33
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        The Bakhtiarov republics are all Sunni, does Iran really have an influence on them?
        1. gorenina91 Offline
          gorenina91 (Irina) 22 September 2019 09: 06
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          - Shiites and Bakhtiyars (and it is the “Bakhtiyars" who are more radical in this regard) will easily go together to slaughter Christians when they get caught in the tail and when they feel complete impunity ...
          - Весь этот "бахтияровский мир"... - это импровизированный "Остров доктора Моро", где достаточно только лёгонькой-прелёгонькой провокации, и все первобытные инстинкты у этой публики мгновенно являются во всей красе, а вся непрочная позолота мнимой цивилизационности враз слезает, как луковая шелуха...
      2. Alexey Ilyin Offline
        Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 09: 54
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        You forgot about the split of the Islamic world into Sunnis and Shiites, who are in irreconcilable hostility with each other. Iran, of course, has certain opportunities, but they are quite limited. And if it comes to hot, then Iran will simply be pulverized. From the air. For this, you do not even need a land operation.
        1. gorenina91 Offline
          gorenina91 (Irina) 22 September 2019 10: 19
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          - No, I haven’t forgotten ... - Split split ... split ...
          - Вот в Турции, стране поголовного ислама.... живут 80% суннитов и 20% шиитов... - И что..??? - Это никогда не мешало им сообща почти 500 лет резать христиан и "пить христианскую кровушку"... - И сегодня они сообща довольно лихо вырезают коптов и прочих христиан, где только могут до них "дотянуться"... - Это их общее кровавое "хобби"...
          - Yes, and in ISIS no rabble of these religious co-religionists has gathered ... - but still, they do all their vile deeds together ...
          - Well, they can sort things out between themselves ...

          And if it comes to hot, then Iran will simply be pulverized. From the air. For this, you do not even need a land operation.

          - Iran is already too late to wash powder, unless they start today or tomorrow morning ...
          - Но со слюнтяем Трампом такого не получится... - Выбрали американы старикашку в президенты.., который поломал все амбициозные традиции американов... -Хахах...
          1. TAYAS Offline
            TAYAS (Grisha) 28 September 2019 10: 26
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            Iran is already too late to wash powder, unless it is today or tomorrow morning.

            Yes, you’re right, it’s better earlier, but for this you need a strong-willed decision, which Israel was on the verge of making, but the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate stopped and said that he would solve it through diplomatic means.
            Few have read this agreement, which stipulated a moratorium on the development of nuclear weapons for 10 (ten) years.
            Israel cited evidence that Iran continues to develop and hides it throughout the country, next to civilian facilities.
            What the IAEA recently confirmed.

            Quote: gorenina91
            Iran is already too late to wash powder.

            I'm not sure anyone will do this.
            But if information appears that Iran is close to nuclear weapons production, you can rest assured that Israel will do the same as with the Iraqi and Syrian reactors.
            А если Иран ответит, то тогда будет уничтожена вся нефтедобывающая промышленность, нефтеналивные порты и военные базы (пример - Сирия и Ирак). И не будет необходимости стирать его в порошок.
            He simply cannot exist.
  11. boriz Offline
    boriz (boriz) 21 September 2019 01: 51
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    That's when the first F-16 is dropped, then we will know for sure: it burst.
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      Artie (Artyom Korolev) 21 September 2019 11: 32
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      Dropped already. In February, whether 2018, or 2019, I do not remember.
    2. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 10: 01
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      А ну как уронят Сушку? Что тогда запоете? Кстати, в 1996 году во время похода "Кузи" в Средиземное море произошли учебные бои между Су-33 (палубная версия Су-27) и израильскими Ф-16. Ф-16 зашли в хвост Сушкам, а не наоборот. Но маргинальное превосходство в маневренности сегодня совершенно не гарантирует победу в воздушном бою. Главное сегодня - радары и ракеты воздух-воздух. Ну и средства РЭБ. Ну и стелс (малозаметность), которой у российских самолетов нет вообще, а у Израиля уже 18 Ф-35 и они, кстати, очень ими довольны.
      1. gorenina91 Offline
        gorenina91 (Irina) 22 September 2019 12: 08
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        - Yes exactly...
        - К великому сожалению, наши суперсовременные военные самолёты.., по уже давней сложившейся "традиции" продолжают работать на публику и тешут жадного до зрелищ обывателя "воздушной акробатикой"... -Только вот как были "слабым звеном" для нашего воздушного воинства... средства РЭБ; АФАР и современные ракеты "воздух-воздух".., так и остались этим самым "слабым звеном"...
        - And it doesn’t matter to our enemy somehow ... - what kind of somersaults can a combat Russian aircraft carry out .... - he will simply quickly detect and destroy it from a long distance ...
        - The same Turks in 2015 slammed our plane with experienced aces from their territory from a distance of more than 20 km ... - But ours could not even react ....
  12. Artie Offline
    Artie (Artyom Korolev) 21 September 2019 11: 33
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    Israel, goodbye.
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      nika1987 (nika) 21 September 2019 21: 43
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      You are not the first to say that. But Israel was, is and will be, but Russia will turn into New China and the New Islamic State.
      And in general, how can you choose with whom to be friends, with smart or with terrorists?
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        Artie (Artyom Korolev) 22 September 2019 13: 37
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        Israel will be destroyed by Iran in the early 20s.
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    Vkd dvk (Victor) 21 September 2019 20: 39
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    You need to compare not the number of aircraft and tanks, but the number of human potential. 100 million will erase any quantity into powder, they set themselves such a task. The constant pressure of hundreds of terrorists, sooner or later, will cause flight from the Promised Land earlier arrived there. What has been observed since 2000. In our country, in the USSR, comrades with a specific specialty and parents felt like an elite. Trading, cultural, intellectual. THERE they are, like everyone else. Nothing and nothing .... And they even have to serve in the army and die for their new (old) homeland. Is this the sudden saturation of European countries with repatriates from the USSR, and other nearby countries of the social camp?
    I doubt that against the thousands of Muslim extremist fighters, you will fulfill the threat of Golda Meir to use what you do not have.
    1. Alexey Ilyin Offline
      Alexey Ilyin (Alexey Ilyin) 22 September 2019 10: 11
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      Вас обманули. С 2000-х годов нарастает не эмиграция из Израиля, а наоборот - иммиграция в Израиль. Причем больше всего как раз из России. Против миллионов террористов есть пулеметы и пушки, которым миллионы нипочем. Будет террор изнутри, просто выгонят арабов со своей территории и делу конец. Ну, а на самый крайняк, есть такой универсальный уравнитель, как ядерное оружие. И, кстати, в последние годы рождаемость в исламском мире резко упала. В том числе в Иране. Так что, и на демографическом фронте не все так однозначно. Причем в США рождаемость на неплохом уровне. Это в Европе плохо с этим делом. Но вот кому еще стоит обеспокоиться рождаемостью у себя, так это России. Вот у России налицо огромные демографические проблемы, в том числе - и с растущей эмиграцией из страны, и отнюдь не только евреев, но и самых чистокровных русаков.
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      2. Vkd dvk Offline
        Vkd dvk (Victor) 22 September 2019 22: 44
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        There is no reserve for population growth. From prosperous countries, and there are much more ethnic Jews living there than in Israel, repatriates should not be expected. The USSR has lost the majority, the "Rusak" are not eager to fight, when here and now you can not be shy about their origin.
        In Israel itself, the proportion of Jews has fallen dramatically.
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          TAYAS (Grisha) 28 September 2019 11: 46
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          In Israel itself, the proportion of Jews has fallen dramatically.

          Well, very interesting information.
          Especially the source that YOU will be able to make changes tomorrow.
          And in order not to powder the brains with an inexperienced reader, you can make it easier.

          On the eve of the 71st anniversary of the founding of the State of Israel, the Central Bureau of Statistics publishes demographic data on the country's population.
          According to these data, 9,021 million citizens live in Israel. Of them 6,597 million (74,2%) are Jews, 1,890 million (21,0%) are Arabs and 434 thousand (4,8%) are citizens of other nationalities.
          By the time the State was formed in Israel lived about 800 thousand citizens of the country.
          Over the past year from the previous Independence Day in Israel 188 thousand babies were born, 31 thousand people repatriated and 47 thousand died.
          Since the founding of the State of Israel in 3,2 million returnees arrived in the country, with 43% of them coming from the former Soviet Union in the 90s of the last century.
          Israel is home to 45% of the total Jewish population on Earth.

          48 thousand people over 90 live in the country.
    2. TAYAS Offline
      TAYAS (Grisha) 28 September 2019 11: 07
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      Quote: wkd dvk
      You will fulfill the threat of Golda Meir to apply what you do not have.

      No matter how much you shout, halva in your mouth will not become sweeter ...
      How would you not like

      IT IS NOT. BUT IF IT IS NECESSARY, WE WILL APPLY IT.

      Although the presence of nuclear potential has never been officially confirmed, the Israel Defense Forces formed a nuclear triad, which has aviation, land and sea components. According to experts, the Israeli nuclear arsenal is quantitatively close to the British. However, the difference is that the bulk of the Israeli nuclear weapons is for tactical carriers, which, if used against potential rivals of Israel in the Middle East, can solve strategic problems. At the moment, the scientific and technical potential of the Jewish state, if necessary, allows for a fairly short time period to deploy a powerful grouping of intercontinental ballistic missiles that can hit a target anywhere in the world. And although the current number of Israeli nuclear and thermonuclear warheads is considered sufficient to cause unacceptable damage to any potential aggressor, their number over the course of a decade can be increased several times. At the same time, the official policy of the Israeli leadership is to prevent the possession of atomic technology by countries that pursue a hostile policy against the Jewish people. Such a policy was practically implemented in that the Israeli Air Force, contrary to international law, attacked nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria in the past.

      https://topwar.ru/143462-yadernyy-potencial-izrailya.html

      And now you turn to topwar.ru and write to them that they DECEIVE ALL!
  14. Vkd dvk Offline
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 29 September 2019 14: 48
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    Quote: TAYAS
    Quote: wkd dvk
    In Israel itself, the proportion of Jews has fallen dramatically.

    Well, very interesting information.
    Especially the source that YOU will be able to make changes tomorrow.
    And in order not to powder the brains with an inexperienced reader, you can make it easier.

    On the eve of the 71st anniversary of the founding of the State of Israel, the Central Bureau of Statistics publishes demographic data on the country's population.
    According to these data, 9,021 million citizens live in Israel. Of them 6,597 million (74,2%) are Jews, 1,890 million (21,0%) are Arabs and 434 thousand (4,8%) are citizens of other nationalities.
    By the time the State was formed in Israel lived about 800 thousand citizens of the country.
    Over the past year from the previous Independence Day in Israel 188 thousand babies were born, 31 thousand people repatriated and 47 thousand died.
    Since the founding of the State of Israel in 3,2 million returnees arrived in the country, with 43% of them coming from the former Soviet Union in the 90s of the last century.
    Israel is home to 45% of the total Jewish population on Earth.

    48 thousand people over 90 live in the country.

    An interesting approach. We don’t believe Wikipedia, because you CAN make any changes there, but you should definitely believe your pussy. It’s impossible there. Gentlemen do not lie.
    Respecting the interlocutor, at least a link from where this was found .....
  15. Vkd dvk Offline
    Vkd dvk (Victor) 29 September 2019 14: 58
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    Quote: TAYAS
    Since the founding of the State of Israel, 3,2 million returnees have arrived in the country, with 43% of them coming from the former Soviet Union in the 90s.

    43% от 3,2 миллиона составляет 1,376 миллиона. Откуда дровишки? В СССР их было всего 674 тысяч.
    We don’t believe Wikipedia, any changes can be made there, we believe your pussy. Gentlemen do not lie.

    Mass movements from prosperous USA, France, .... believe? Believe it.

  16. Alex Lipkovich Offline
    Alex Lipkovich (Alex Lipkovich) 6 October 2019 01: 55
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    The article has a one-sided approach and incorrect information.
    First, if Russia is responsible for Syria, then it is also responsible for the absence of terrorists and armed bands hostile to the region, such as Hezbollah. If it does not answer, then it cannot make claims regarding special operations.
    Secondly, Israel destroys terrorists, not Russian forces. It would be logical for Moscow to show gratitude to Israel, and not to be indignant. By the way, for what reason the indignation is not clear, people do their work and do not touch you.
    And thirdly, about that ill-fated plane, which the Syrians (or their own?) Seem to have shot down, how does this relate to Israel? Shame on blaming Israel for this.