Why Gazprom has already lost in the gas war

The situation surrounding the transit of gas to Europe through Ukraine should serve as a good lesson to all liberal adherents. economics with her "invisible hand of the market." There is certainly an invisible hand, but it belongs to more powerful players in the person of Washington and Brussels, who rewrite the rules in their favor during the game. Having sat down at a table with cheaters, the main thing is not to leave without pants at all.




Let’s say bluntly, the Kremlin had a chance from February to May 2014 to radically change the situation in its favor. Instead, it was decided to negotiate, as well as to look for workarounds for transit routes. Around Ukraine, two large-scale pipelines were launched: South Stream and Nord Stream-2. But then the invisible hand joined the game.

Under pressure from Washington, the Bulgarian authorities began to openly sabotage the South Stream, which was so advantageous for them, the construction of which had begun even before the Maidan, and as a result, Gazprom refused to provide Sofia with services. In exchange, an alternative “Turkish Stream” was developed, however, Ankara, clearly not on its own initiative, rejected the idea of ​​four transit lines, agreeing only on two. Of these, one pipe was intended for actually Turkish consumers, and the second - for the market of southern Europe. Recall that Moscow has already begun to disagree with Ankara over tariffs: President Erdogan is squeezing the most out of his transit position in order to get the biggest discounts.

It is not easy with the Nord Stream-2. Under pressure from the United States, Denmark is still dragging on issuing permission to use its territorial waters to complete the construction of the offshore gas pipeline. Brussels, in turn, adopted amendments to the energy package, which threaten to completely leave one of the two pipes empty. The prospect is absolutely real: just the other day the European court abolished the exception previously made for the OPAL gas pipeline, which is a branch of the Nord Stream-1 pipeline. The bitter irony is that the Ukrainian GTS now has to be loaded harder.

Replay "cheaters" does not work. Both European bureaucrats and the United States are leading to tighter Russia tied to Ukrainian transit. Their task is to impose on Gazprom a long-term contract in return for the expiring one and hang up obligations for Moscow to maintain the dilapidated Ukrainian gas transportation system. In this scenario, bypass pipelines built for budgetary billions will be half empty, acting as understudies.

Like a man drowning in a straw, Gazprom seized on the fact that Ukraine had voluntarily joined the European energy rules. Theoretically, this gives a chance to continue pumping gas through Independent and without a signed contract. Kiev will be required to periodically hold auctions, and the domestic monopolist, as the only supplier, will be able to buy out capacities. Well-known Russian expert Igor Yushkov explains:

If they had established a system for conducting auctions without a contract, then it would not have been necessary to agree with Naftogaz or with the GTS operator separated from it about the fact of transit. Then two parties would have responsibilities. At the very least, clear rules of the game will be defined.


“If” are keywords.

The first problem is that Ukraine has not yet implemented (failed to fulfill) its obligations under European law. Ironically, this should happen on January 1, 2020, the day the current transit contract expires. But will Kiev meet Moscow?

The second problem follows from the "cheating" practice of rewriting the rules of the game described above. Who will stop European bureaucrats from changing auction rules again under Gazprom, making them the most unprofitable for a Russian company?

In other words, replaying Brussels and Washington on their field is simply unrealistic. The problem of Ukrainian transit (and with it a bunch of other problems) must be solved in a different way.
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  1. gorenina91 Online
    gorenina91 (Irina) 17 September 2019 12: 15
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    Why Gazprom has already lost in the gas war

    -No, well ...- a wonderful, objective article based on real-life events and on the facts that already have a place to be ...
    -It was written directly in unison to all my previously written comments on this "Gazprom theme" ...
    -At the same time, as everyone here is not lazy to me, the minuses are drumming ...- all these "gas events" nevertheless develop precisely "according to my scenario" ...

    The prospect is absolutely real: just the other day the European court abolished the exception previously made for the OPAL gas pipeline, which is a branch of the Nord Stream-1 pipeline. The bitter irony is that the Ukrainian GTS now has to be loaded harder.

    -Well, what turned out to be wrong and what (to my great regret) went wrong, as I had already envisioned and stated here, and already many times. ???
    - The traps for Gazprom, about which I have written many times ... - began to work one after another ... -And what are still ahead of the "ambush" ...
    -Another number of problems will be added by the Turkish Stream (gas pipeline) and the Chinese Stream, that is, the Power of Siberia gas pipeline ...
    - Alas ...- I don’t even want to continue ...
    1. master3 Offline
      master3 (Vitali) 17 September 2019 18: 17
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      I put you + because I completely agree. Hurray, patriots with the slogans “let Europe push this Denmark, maybe keep warm” forget that gas and oil are the main income of the Russian Federation and if they don’t eat sales they will have nothing to eat.
    2. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 17 September 2019 20: 26
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      I do not want to, do not continue. Let's just wait for the new year and see how these predictions come true. It will be especially interesting to look at the problems that the Power of Siberia will bring.
    3. Pishenkov Offline
      Pishenkov (Alexey) 17 September 2019 21: 30
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      I would like to hope that all your predictions still do not come true. what ... and this is not something to spite you personally, but in fact. As they say, it’s a shame for the state.
      Also put a plus.
    4. Vasya Pinocchio Offline
      Vasya Pinocchio (Vasya Pinocchio) 18 September 2019 08: 29
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      You as I look expert in foreign economic issues. Then the question arises, why do you sit out tights on this forum, and not work for the good of the Fatherland, defending its interests? Although about the Fatherland, where are you from so smart?
      1. molotkov60mkpu Offline
        molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 18 September 2019 22: 02
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        So our capitalists are working for the good of the motherland or are they still cutting loot? Probably the first paragraph in the Charter is: making a profit, and not supplying gas to the population and enterprises of the Russian Federation.
        1. Victor N Offline
          Victor N (Victor n) 28 September 2019 15: 20
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          One helps the other.
    5. Victor N Offline
      Victor N (Victor n) 28 September 2019 15: 15
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      The game is complicated, no doubt, but the gain is secured. However, I will not spoil you small joys ....
  2. Anchonsha Offline
    Anchonsha (Anchonsha) 17 September 2019 12: 31
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    DO NOT panic over Western games in the gas market. The USA and Poland and the Baltic states are not so omnipotent. Old Europe also wants cheaper gas and just such gas from Russia. And the current court decision to restrict the supply of Russian gas through Germany’s pipes temporarily does not play into the hands of the main gas recipients, Europeans, but only transit countries - Poles and Ukrainians. Well, maybe 6-7 months. and this judgment will last, but no more.
  3. Marzhecki Online
    Marzhecki (Sergei) 17 September 2019 12: 41
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    Quote: Anchonsha
    Well, maybe 6-7 months. and this judgment will last, but no more.

    And then they’ll come up with something else ...
    1. Relict Offline
      Relict (Relict) 18 September 2019 14: 12
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      Hmm ... can you come up with something to force the seller to conclude a contract disadvantageous to him, and even with a third party ???
    2. molotkov60mkpu Offline
      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 18 September 2019 22: 04
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      While we are selling, we will be thrown and pressed. They should buy from us, run and beg us to sell them a little gas.
  4. yuriy55 Offline
    yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 17 September 2019 14: 41
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    It is possible to supply gas even not through a pipe ... It is possible not to supply - let Europe push this Denmark, maybe it will warm ...
    1. molotkov60mkpu Offline
      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 18 September 2019 22: 07
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      I bet that all threats to stop transit through Ukraine will turn zilch. Why? The gut is thin. As well as nationalizing the elites, nullifying the liberals, deoffshoring, ..........
      1. yuriy55 Offline
        yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 19 September 2019 06: 31
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        Quote: molotkov60mkpu
        I bet that all threats to stop transit through Ukraine will turn zilch.

        After the Turkish tomatoes, the New Year tree for the children of American diplomats, gatherings with Netanyahu on the skeleton of the downed Il, incomprehensible meetings with the Japanese leader, the chatter about stopping transit through Ukraine looks fake. Who will give them the right to deprive effective managers of the legitimate "dough"? repeat
  5. Alexander Bushkovsky (Alexander) 17 September 2019 16: 53
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    From the very beginning of the construction of the SP-2 gas transportation system, it was necessary to categorically state that regardless of whether the project is implemented or not, on January 1, 2020, transit through Ukraine will be discontinued, as well as delivery to Ukraine itself. If the EU needs Ukraine’s gas transportation system, it should receive gas at the Russian-Ukrainian border. And then let them deal with the Ukrainians themselves. And now it’s not too late to declare it. As well as those volumes that the European court blocked, will be redirected to China and return will no longer be possible. Yes, and declare that for the Chinese consumer will receive substantial discounts. This will make Chinese products cheaper in the European market, where the EU will not be able to compete with China. It seems to me that such events will greatly strain primarily the European economy.
    1. 123 Offline
      123 (123) 17 September 2019 20: 45
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      That is what America is seeking. In addition, the terms of long-term contracts will be violated, with all the resulting penalties. Redirecting gas to China is impossible, at least for now. There is gas from Eastern Siberia. These pipelines are not interconnected. Gas discounts for China are determined by the volume of purchases (European countries also sell gas at different prices, depending on the volume) and the difference in product properties. Gas sold to Europe is used not only as fuel, but also as a raw material for industry. China provides only methane for combustion. The gas is pre-processed, helium, propane, butane and other fractions are separated. However, I’m not sure that the gas processing complex is fully completed and used at full capacity. But this is a matter of the very near future.
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        Bulanov (Vladimir) 18 September 2019 09: 22
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        terms of long-term contracts, with all the resulting penalties

        If the EU refuses gas through reliable new gas pipelines, what will happen if a technogenic catastrophe occurs in the old and dilapidated Ukrainian, or the Ukronazists blow up the gas pipeline, as they did with the branches going to Crimea? An example of an explosion by the Saudis is not taken into account?
      2. molotkov60mkpu Offline
        molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 18 September 2019 22: 10
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        All contracts must be nullified by us in response to changes in the rules of the game by euro-cheaters
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      3. yuriy55 Offline
        yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 19 September 2019 06: 39
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        Quote: 123
        In addition, the terms of long-term contracts will be violated, with all the resulting penalties.

        Do we have contracts with Europe for 200 years? Or suddenly we lost the right to interrupt them in connection with the sanctions imposed by the European Union? This whole song of the owners of foreign accounts, real estate, yachts, business is written based on the words of Brzezinski:

        Russia may have any number of nuclear suitcases and nuclear buttons, but since the 500 billion dollars of the Russian elite are in our banks, you still figure it out: is it your elite or already ours? I do not see a single situation in which Russia will use its nuclear potential.

        You can add to them only words about the impossibility to dissolve, complete bewilderment and all the expressions and feelings of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
        1. 123 Offline
          123 (123) 19 September 2019 18: 43
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          Not for 200, but for 20-25 years. Do you want to break contracts? In 2018, revenue amounted to just some 2 billion rubles. What little things, right? Why do they need us? In general, I get the impression that you simply did not pass the casting at the time when applying for a job in Gazprom. And stop inserting citations of 951,2-2 pages already. Learn to express thoughts yourself.
    2. yuriy55 Offline
      yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 19 September 2019 06: 33
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      Quote: Alexander Bushkovsky
      It seems to me that such events will greatly strain primarily the European economy.

      good yes fellow
      It’s rare to meet deep-thinking people on the site. Thanks for the positive!
    3. Savigne Offline
      Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 39
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      it was necessary to categorically declare that regardless of whether the project is implemented or not, on January 1, 2020, transit through Ukraine will be stopped,

      And what will you eat if gas supplies to Europe cease?

      AK and delivery to Ukraine itself.

      So Ukraine does not buy. In Europe it’s cheaper. And even in the summer, Gazprom refused the "super offer".

      If the EU needs Ukraine’s gas transportation system, it should receive gas at the Russian-Ukrainian border.

      So he will declare that neither the gas transportation system of Ukraine, nor the Gazprom gas of the EU are needed.
      To go nuts, someone else seems to believe that the gas supplier can pump some kind of rights. Yes, this gas in Europe heaps. And even cheaper than Gazprom.

      will be redirected to China

      1. Will you ship with barrels or boxes?
      2. And who told you that China needs Gazprom gas? And in general, what will China need gas in the near future?
      3. In China, gas prices are such that gas workers will have to dress for 150-200 dollars a month. And about the same to other residents of the country. Average.

      Yes, and declare that for the Chinese consumer will receive substantial discounts.

      In order to make these "solid discounts" raise your retirement age to 100 years?

      This will make Chinese products cheaper in the European market, where the EU will not be able to compete with China.

      The EU can not compete with China in the European market? Yes, you're a comedian.

      It seems to me that such events will greatly strain primarily the European economy.

      In general, they will not affect her in any way.
      You somehow poorly understand the status of a seller of far from scarce goods. Yes, and not at the lowest price. And the status of the buyer of this most scarce goods.
  6. Bakht Offline
    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2019 17: 18
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    There is only one way out and it is very simple. Once again, no transit through Ukraine. And no auctions. It’s easier to pay fines than to continue this carousel. And will there be fines?
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      Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 43
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      There is only one way out and it is very simple. Once again, no transit through Ukraine. And no auctions. It’s easier to pay fines than to continue this carousel. And will there be fines?

      And to eat, meanwhile, you probably gathered a quinoa and bark from the trees.
      I want to upset you, until this time of year it will be necessary to live on somehow.
      Yes, and something else needs to be said so that the quinoa and bark are accepted as payment of fines. And then, in fact, everything that is abroad will be taken away.
      1. Bakht Offline
        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 September 2019 20: 54
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        There is something to eat. You would care what they eat in Europe.
        I do not understand the logic of such statements. With gas supplies to Europe, transit and other gas stations, Europe is primarily concerned. Russia can easily drive gas and oil in any direction.
        The most interesting will begin after the New Year. For some reason, I’m sure that Russia will deliver on the contract. But on top of that, nothing happens. So I can advise again - think about the menu on the European table.
        1. Bakht Offline
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 September 2019 20: 59
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          As expected, the talks in Brussels ended in nothing. The next round should be before the end of October. Nothing will change. I really want to believe that there will be no transit agreement.
        2. Savigne Offline
          Savigne 19 September 2019 21: 04
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          There is something to eat.

          For example?
          Not la la, poplar, but specifically, what and where is there?
          Have you ever been interested in the food balance of Russia?
          Take an interest ...
          At the same time, you can take an interest in the balance of medicines.
          And there is still much to offer to ask.

          You would care what they eat in Europe.

          For them you do not worry. Here they are just definitely not going to stay hungry.

          With gas supplies to Europe, transit and other gas stations, Europe is primarily concerned.

          Who told you that? Why does Europe need gas from Gazprom? She has a more promising, shale. Which is constantly getting cheaper. American mostly. Well, Middle East gas is not forgotten.

          Russia can easily drive gas and oil in any direction.

          Free can. But not for long. Oil workers and gas workers will be asked to eat.
          1. Bakht Offline
            Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 September 2019 21: 47
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            This is all we have already heard. The facts are such that since the 70s, Europe wants to eat just Gazprom’s gas. And more and more. About cheap American too heard. Not cheaper than from Yamal.
            Simple logic - why is Europe (namely Europe) so concerned about gas supplies from Russia? Would buy a cheap American and it would be their happiness. But something does not fit ..
            As for food, medical and other addictions ... It is somehow strange to hear this in the heyday of globalism. There is not a single country in the world (not a single one!) That has full copyright.
            Once again in the refutation of the title of the article. Gazprom has not yet lost. Loses if he signs a transit agreement. I still see how the two wrestlers converged in a clinch. Russia must sell gas, Europe must buy. The most important thing is to throw Ukraine out of this chain.
            1. Savigne Offline
              Savigne 19 September 2019 22: 05
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              This is all we have already heard.

              To hear a little. You have to try a tooth to understand that quinoa and bark from trees are far from the best food for people.

              The facts are such that since the 70s, Europe wants to eat just Gazprom’s gas.

              FIG knows what was there in the 70s. But today, even Ukraine does not want to buy Gazprom’s gas. Because in Europe it buys gas cheaper.

              And more and more.

              Maybe more. But whether Gazprom is likely to touch this.

              About cheap American too heard. Not cheaper than from Yamal.

              Read the answer of the chairman of Naftogaz of Ukraine to the super offer (at prices) of Gazprom this summer. It is very detailed and with numbers. Very surprised.

              Simple logic - why is Europe (namely Europe) so concerned about gas supplies from Russia? Would buy a cheap American and it would be their happiness. But something does not fit ..

              Of course it does not fit.
              It does not agree that for some reason Europe is concerned about deliveries from Russia. Concerned, but the South Stream cut off. Nord Stream 2 also seems to be cut off.
              Himself not tired of these manty about the "concern of Europe" to inspire?

              It is somehow strange to hear this in the heyday of globalism. There is not a single country in the world (not a single one!) That has full copyright.

              It is not a matter of globalism, the fact is that without the export of energy carriers there will be nothing to buy even the most necessary abroad. They will not sell for rubles, but there will be no dollars.

              Loses if he signs a transit agreement.

              I think he will sign it. And on unfavorable conditions. Ukraine has all the trump cards on hand.

              Russia must sell gas, Europe must buy.

              1. Russia SHOULD sell. And it is highly desirable to go to Europe (there the purchase prices are higher).
              2. Europe must buy. But where it’s cheaper, and this is not at all necessary for Russia.
              And once again for those who have not yet realized - American shale gas in Europe is now cheaper than Gazprom. In addition, it is more promising, because due to the advancement of technology continues to become cheaper. It is because of this that Gazprom has problems with flows. Europe is NOT interested in them. As in Russian gas, too. The situation over the past 10 years has changed in the most radical way.
              1. Bakht Offline
                Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 September 2019 22: 15
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                Let's do it. You leave your mantras and do not refer to Naftogaz. Just tell us what the cost of US LNG, LNG from Yamal, and pipeline gas is. Then look for the numbers how much LNG America can give to Europe and compare with the pipeline. Be very surprised.
                The fact that Ukraine buys in Europe, I laughed a year or two ago. She doesn’t buy anything in Europe. Overpaying Europe, yes. But does not buy.
                Without Russian gas, European industry will bend to the delight of Trump. Wait and see. Only a few months remain. So far, I see from the digital media that there is in the media that the devil is not so terrible as he is painted. I can repeat my mantra - the main task of the Russian Federation is to knock Ukraine out of the gas process. But they themselves do this successfully.
                1. Savigne Offline
                  Savigne 19 September 2019 22: 31
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                  You leave your mantras

                  I do not have them. Unlike you.

                  and do not refer to Naftogaz.

                  Why?
                  The senior official announced the prices offered by Gazprom.
                  It also noted that these prices are indeed significantly lower than the previous ones.
                  It noted that these prices are not interesting to Naftogaz, because in Europe, prices are such and such (below Gazprom's special offer).
                  As a result, Gazprom was refused his offer.
                  This is a historical fact. Why can’t it be referenced?
                  Look on the Internet, this interview is in the public domain. With all prices, etc.

                  Just tell us what the cost of US LNG, LNG from Yamal, and pipeline gas is. Then look for the numbers how much LNG America can give to Europe and compare with the pipeline. Be very surprised.

                  Dear, I repeat especially for you - even Ukraine has refused Gazprom gas. Recalling that gas is cheaper in Europe. AND AVAILABLE. This is a historical fact, as a fact and the fact that South Stream and Nord Stream 2 are not interested in Europe.
                  And your "mantras on general topics" are of no interest to anyone.

                  The fact that Ukraine buys in Europe, I laughed a year or two ago.

                  Suggest a sign of what is laughter for no reason?

                  She doesn’t buy anything in Europe. Overpaying Europe, yes. But does not buy.

                  Well, everything is clear. Another "funny and resourceful."

                  Without Russian gas European industry

                  Gee-gee-gee.
                  It’s a pity that the Europeans are not busy, what awaits them without Gazprom’s gas. Otherwise, the South Stream would not be cut off. And with Nord Stream 2 would be more careful.

                  I can repeat my mantra - the main task of the Russian Federation is to knock Ukraine out of the gas process.

                  M-yes.
                  The main thing is not a rise in gas prices.
                  Not an increase in sales.
                  The main thing is to squeeze Ukraine. Scoop foreve. The eternal battle. This is terrible.
                  1. Bakht Offline
                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 September 2019 22: 47
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                    You do not need to refer to Naftogaz, because there are such storytellers that Andersen is resting. You do not have specifics. The cost of "cheap" LNG from America compared with Yamalsky? Or with piping? Did you find out the amount of gas too? How much LNG can America send to Europe in 2020?
                    I do not give you numbers, for the simple reason that you do not have them either. Not at all. There are exactly mantras.
                    Scoop forever, speak? I can repeat it for the thousandth time. Ukraine is an enemy of Russia and the disintegration of Ukraine is the main task for Russia. Nothing personal - just business.
                    Bored with you. Not even terrible. Just boring.
                    1. Savigne Offline
                      Savigne 20 September 2019 00: 05
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                      You do not need to refer to Naftogaz, because there are such storytellers that Andersen is resting.

                      You are such a funny inventor. Already funny.

                      I do not give you numbers, for the simple reason that you do not have them either. Not at all. There are exactly mantras.

                      No, you have mantras. And I have facts that I have already stated to you several times. And I will not state it again.
                      But from you I did not see a single fact. Only mantras.

                      I can repeat it for the thousandth time. Ukraine is an enemy of Russia and the disintegration of Ukraine is the main task for Russia.

                      That's what I wrote about, scoop foreve.
                      May I not have one eye, if only the neighbor does not have both.
                      And also, take away and divide, of course.
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                    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 19 September 2019 22: 49
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                    Oh yes. I completely forgot about laughter for no reason. By what pipeline and in what quantities does Ukraine “buy” gas in Europe? and at what price?
                    Then you may recognize a sign of what laughter is. With or without cause.
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                      Savigne 20 September 2019 00: 01
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                      By what pipeline and in what quantities does Ukraine “buy” gas in Europe? and at what price?

                      I already told you where you can find out all the numbers. Search. I myself will not search for you, laziness.
                      1. Bakht Offline
                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 September 2019 08: 10
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                        You are our lazy. Not a single figure and not a single fact.
                        Okay, for general nonsense. Stockholm decided that the cost of "reverse" gas for Ukraine is tied to a German hub. Moscow offered gas to Ukraine at a price of 220-240 dollars. Ukraine bought a "reverse" at an average annual price of 270 bucks. Only in the summer (!) She bought at a price of 180 dollars. But the laugh is that Russia sold gas to Germany in the summer at a price of $ 128. At the resale of gas, European traders removed from Kiev 30-40 bucks per thousand cubic meters.
                        Kobolev plays with the numbers in the summer of 2019 and does not say a word that in winter and spring he bought gas at 320 bucks.
                        Now, take a look at your brain and tell me which pipe the gas goes to Ukraine. If transit still exists, then gas flows through one pipe in opposite directions. This is a “virtual” reverse, which will be covered with a copper basin in the absence of a transit agreement. Therefore, Europe is fighting for him. Europe does not want to lose 40 bucks from every thousand. And who overpays? Ukraine. So everything is all right.
                        And one more question for the lazy. Nevertheless, sometimes it is necessary to stir gyruses. If they are, of course. How can Russian gas cost cheaper through intermediaries? If Russia sells gas to Germany, and the price is recognized by the German hub, do Europeans sell it to Ukraine cheaper? Andersen is definitely resting.
                        About scoop foreve. Russia will no longer contain Ukraine. In the absence of transit, Ukraine will either collapse or Europe will take it for maintenance. The second option is worse than the tales of Kobolev. But the most interesting thing is that no one in the world believes that Ukraine can exist independently. That's where the scoop is ....
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                        Savigne 20 September 2019 16: 59
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Not a single figure and not a single fact.

                        Read my previous comments. Maybe then the facts will be revealed to you.
                        Besides, I'm already tired of your verbiage. Want to tell passions about Ukraine, tell me. This is for me to one place.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        In the absence of transit, Ukraine will either collapse or Europe will take it for maintenance.

                        What do you care? Have you cleaned out all the toilets and sheds at home? Everything is fine-tuned, everything is fine-tuned, everything is fine, now is the time to look around?
                        Or, as is customary for lumpens, sit in a dirty alcoholic T-shirt in a legless chair, "haw" the beach bag and through the computer tell the whole world how to live?

                        Quote: Bakht
                        But the most interesting thing is that no one in the world believes that Ukraine can exist independently.

                        And again, do you care? Around yourself do not want to tidy up? It’s not time to attach a leg to a legless chair yet?
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                        Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 20 September 2019 18: 24
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                        Do not spray with saliva - I'm squeamish.
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                        Savigne 20 September 2019 18: 28
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                        Quote: Bakht
                        Do not spit saliva

                        I do not have your habits.

                        Quote: Bakht
                        I'm squeamish.

                        Pre-cooked in a garbage can and just do not eat without heat treatment?
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    gorenina91 (Irina) 17 September 2019 19: 39
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    -Ha ...- They’ve really gotten away ......- They’ve told me minuses ...
    - It’s clear why in Russia everything is moving so tightly ...
    -And even roads can be built and even money is ...- but here's what to do with ...
    - Russian historical misfortune ... - Alas and ... -Hahah ...
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      YUG64 (Yuri) 17 September 2019 22: 32
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      How easily you write down your opponents in a “bum” ... Presumably - from a big mind! And incredible modesty.
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        gorenina91 (Irina) 18 September 2019 03: 33
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        - They sat down in a puddle for a long time and grunted there for a long time ...- not one or two, but a whole galaxy of minusculers ... -They do not argue their actions, they are afraid even of something problem ... I .. ... -at least to show at least some semblance of arguments ... -Where is their opinion, what is it .., they are generally who. ???
        -They just use ...- what they use, and the fact that they have the opportunity to secretly ha ... di ... t ... -that's what they are only capable of ... -And just a puddle- that is their salvation ... -This trifle may well be "content" with any such place as a "habitat" ... -that a plinth; that puddle; that ... any place that is a haven for human organic waste ... -There is their place ...- there is their place ...

        -What are you (or whom) you want to wait ...- "red" ... or "white" ... ??? -Hahah ...
        -Either you are for a "big mind" or for "incredible modesty" or ... you profess veganism, secretly hoping that someday a bag of vegetables will be able to absorb living individuals, once eating them ...- Hahah ...
        -You yourself for whom ??? -Or as your life experience tells you ...- who is the first to come ... -to "Katz and surrender" .. ??? -Hahah ...
        -Yes, for you all the puddles have already dried up long ago ... -Too too few puddles ... and too many backorders ... -Not enough for everyone ...
        -So, there’s nowhere to sit down ... Yes, and this is not a royal thing ...- Hahah ...
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          YUG64 (Yuri) 18 September 2019 06: 56
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          Your continuous laughs and verbosity only confirmed my confidence .. You really look down on people and really think you have a right to it. As for the arguments - they are, they even lie on the surface - just with people like you no one even wants to communicate at a distance. I, too. But since I could not restrain myself and wrote - I need to answer ... Option one. Germany continues to emerge from the vassal dependence of the Anglo-Saxons and is heading towards united Eurasia together with China and Russia. In this case, Brussels and Poland will not only n e decree - and a red rag that will be exponentially thrown to the floor. For example - a legal entity with a European registration is created, buys gas in Russia and already owns it, European gas calmly transports through Opal, while fiery flashes illuminate the sky above Poland and Ukraine. The second option - for some reason, Germany remains in the orbit of the United States and then there may be problems with transit, but it will be more defeat for Europe than Gazprom. Gazprom is deploying a little more to the East, and has a huge and growing Asian market. Europe same food lies to beat his own Faberge to please the hegemon, showing the whole world that she is not the owner in her house and just a fat piglet who is being slaughtered and negotiating with whom is more expensive. I am more inclined to the first option. In any case, this option is not so fantastic as to write down its supporters in "muddles." I won’t write to you anymore - you are unpleasant to me purely humanly. All the best!
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            gorenina91 (Irina) 18 September 2019 07: 35
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            -Why so many things ..?
            -This is quite enough ..:

            I won’t write to you again - you are unpleasant to me purely humanly. All the best!

            -Well, you at least somehow tried to state something ... -It already "does you honor" ..
            -Hahah ...
            -Well, well ...- adje ...
            -And I will continue further ... -And you read me ... further ... -Your benefits for ... -Hahah ...
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    Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 17 September 2019 20: 06
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    Here is a pretty solid edition

    https://neftegaz.ru/news/transport-and-storage/495775-vynuzhdenno-gazprom-sokrashchaet-zagruzku-severnogo-potoka-i-uvelichivaet-tranzit-gaza-cherez-ukrain/

    I wonder who reads how. I have long noticed that different people see completely different things in the text. What is the most important suggestion in this post?
    :-)
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    And who writes won, who - lost .. The rest write about the horrors of Ukrainians ...
    But Gazprom does not care, a lot of pipes, ships, thieves-pensioners will pay for everything ....

    And the robotic Fedor died ....
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      molotkov60mkpu (Yuri) 18 September 2019 22: 19
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      A negative result is also an experience.
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    2logik 18 September 2019 03: 34
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    You boil Gazprom around its pipes is understandable. I don’t understand what others are worried about. The less Gazprom extends gas from the country for colored papers, the more it will remain for our descendants when the outrage with squandering our resources finally ends and control over them returns to the people.
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      yuriy55 (Yuri Vasilievich) 19 September 2019 06: 44
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      Quote: 2logik
      You boil Gazprom around its pipes is understandable.

      The whole boil around Gazprom is completely incomprehensible. From which side to tie Miller's effectiveness to it? At whose expense to continue the construction of pipelines and to compensate for the damage to the budget?
      Something all the profits from gas sales disappear in an unknown direction, is not it?
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      Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 47
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      The less Gazprom extends gas from the country for colored papers, the more it will remain for our descendants,

      The trouble is that there will be no descendants. People (just like animals) are extremely reluctant to breed with a poor forage base. This is what “colored pieces of paper” really mean.

      when the chaos with squandering our resources is finally over and control over them will return to the people.

      Those. didn’t it seem enough to you once stepping on a mop and you decided to step on it a second time?
      A long time ago, my stomach didn’t let me down from hunger and didn’t stand in a queue for bread for a couple of hours? Are you bored?
  • gorenina91 Online
    gorenina91 (Irina) 18 September 2019 08: 29
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    -Yes, sorry ...- how many minuses were spent ... -and all in vain and all for nothing ...
    -From an empty head ...- and all these empty chores and "empty bounties" ...
    -But, meanwhile ... -The fiasco of Gazprom has not gone away ...- Has not melted and has not evaporated ...
    -And reality ...- here it is ..:
    -Well, let’s try to perceive Gazprom’s divorce from OPAL as an unpleasant unexpected mistake ... -But somehow or another, Gazprom will have to somehow circumvent this “incident-ban” ...- And all this will cost Gazprom dearly ... -Unfortunately ...
    - Yes, and where did the belief about the so-called "positive Gazprom statistics" come from ???
    -And what good life does Gazprom suddenly start selling Russian gas to its subsidiary Gazprombank? -To improve this "statistics" .. ??? -Those. Gazprom sold gas to himself ???

    To improve statistics on Russian gas sales to Europe, Gazprom began selling raw materials to its subsidiary Gazprombank. This was reported by Interfax with reference to personal sources in the industry.
    The agency believes that in the first half of the year supplies to Europe fell by 8,9 percent compared to the same period last year. The fall reached 22 percent in the early days of August, while a client did not immediately buy a billion cubic meters of raw materials.

    At the same time, operators did not record a single case of such a large gas supply, market sources said that Gazprombank was the buyer. Gazprom directly owns 35 percent of the bank’s shares, indirectly through the Gazfond Pension Fund, 47 percent.

    Previously, Gazprom had already caught selling gas to itself, when in 2018 the company reported a record export of 200 billion cubic meters to European countries. However, gas remained in the underground storage facilities of the Gazprom Marketing & Trading trader, based in the French capital.
    Gazprom put itself on a credit hook: the company reported that a transition had already taken place to replace the repayable debt with new loans.

    -Well, what else to add ...- Only the obvious ..: a certain client who "bought a billion cubic meters at once" (as sources on the market confirmed) was Gazprombank. According to them, purchases are held in uniform portions under repurchase agreements, i.e. "with the obligation to resell after a specified period at a predetermined price" ...
    - So that mediocre Gazprom is “thrown” to everyone who is not lazy ..- this is one ... -And who will cover all these losses from the illiterate unprofessional actions of Gazprom .. ???
    -All again will be covered by the budget; Russian taxpayers; seniors and so on ...
    -That’s the whole of Gazprom’s commerce ... -And what else is ahead of the “prospects” ... -Unfortunately ...
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      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 September 2019 08: 45
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      Oh, and weird "logic." Now try to add two and two and answer your own question: "Why does Gazprom sell gas to itself?" The link that I gave above can serve as a hint.
      But this is not for average minds. I’m afraid that I won’t hear a clear answer.
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        gorenina91 (Irina) 18 September 2019 09: 51
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        Now try to add two and two and answer your own question: "Why does Gazprom sell gas to itself?" The link that I gave above can serve as a hint.
        But this is not for average minds. I’m afraid that I won’t hear a clear answer.

        -Yes, of course ...- Mr. "full-time plus picker" ...
        -Gazprom bought from myself ...- and even got a cashback for "its purchase." ..
        -Well ... smiled ... Well ...- Hahah ...
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          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 September 2019 16: 01
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          I said that I won’t hear a clear answer
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      123 (123) 19 September 2019 18: 26
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      Ma'am, you are incorrigible, again rummaging through the garbage sites and drag it all here. Be so kind, do not refuse courtesy, provide a link to this information on Interfax, please.
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    Roarv (Robert) 18 September 2019 08: 41
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    The paradox + Paranoia with which Gazprom, with its gas pipe climbs into the EU market, makes you think about changing the management of Gazprom .....
    The EU is not the Russian Federation there countries are in solidarity with each other, the creation of cartels and cartel associations of monopolists is not allowed, for it there are such turnaround fines that it hurts even the printing press + add ovs with their latex satellite friends .... and the next mega pipe project is another project from the African continent and Middle Eastern countries towards the EU .... + add two sovereign fraternal peoples, Ukraine and Belarus, who want Oil and Gas of the Russian Federation at reduced prices at the expense of the Slavic Brotherhood ....
    In general, Gazprom is the property of the people
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      gorenina91 (Irina) 18 September 2019 09: 24
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      The paradox + Paranoia with which Gazprom, with its gas pipe climbs into the EU market, makes you think about changing the management of Gazprom ....

      -Yes...
      -It had to be done the day before yesterday ...
      -Gazprom initially strategically failed to guess the direction of the "main blow" ... - -The whole algorithm of its further activities is erroneous ... and unprofitable ...- And today there is little that can be fixed ... -Front huge damage and "compliance" , "fulfillment", or rather, "fulfillment of all conditions" that were literally imposed on Gazprom and into which Western partners dragged it ... -But that's not all ... - there are still a lot of "nuances", "counter offers"; revealed and “unexpected circumstances”; "new conditions" to which Gazprom will have to agree ...
      -And ahead is also the "Turkish" and "Chinese" ... as the so-called "businesses" of Gazprom ... -And the struggle for "leadership in LNG" -And this will become a completely separate "independent component" ... LNG production will become separate industry ...
      -And who will be able to lead all this .. ??? - The clumsy illiterate Gazprom .. ???
      -And how to "steer" Russia out of all of this now ... -Poor Russian taxpayer ... -Sorry ...
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        R_a_V_i_N_i (Victor Nikolaevich) 18 September 2019 10: 48
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        We will celebrate the New Year together! Salute, champagne ... and a hangover! Gazprom is playing long. He knows very well that after passing a pawn, you can take the queen (the king will fall himself). "Not far-sighted" surrender this pawn as a decoy. Not knowing that they themselves have long been in the role of "bait." Then simple arithmetic: many will be surprised by the results with which Russia will enter the 20s. (preliminary results are already on the I-net).
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      Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 51
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      add two sovereign fraternal peoples of Ukraine and Belarus who want oil and gas of the Russian Federation at reduced prices at the expense of the Slavic Brotherhood ....

      Sovereign brotherly people. This is enchanting!
      It's great!
      It's like white soot!
      Like a beautiful purple haze over a city.
      Do you read yourself from the outside? Or just writing nonsense for fun?
      Yes, and one more thing - fraternal peoples do not exist. At all. Never. There was no and no.
      And about the "Slavic brotherhood", so when they talk about it, it means they want to steal something. Some kind of "brother." And then all the "brothers" at once.
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    aries2200 (aries) 18 September 2019 14: 50
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    sell gas on monthly contracts and that's it
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      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 September 2019 16: 02
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      This is not an option. And it is unprofitable.
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    ibn.shamai (Vanya and the bear.) 18 September 2019 17: 12
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    Chef! The mustache is gone, the plaster is removed, the client is leaving !!! What kind of boiling? Wait and see.
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      Bakht (Bakhtiyar) 18 September 2019 18: 13
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      We are on the verge of a grand schucher. I'm about tomorrow's meeting ....

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    Alex P (Alex Polukhin) 18 September 2019 19: 54
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    It is not necessary to buy the whole plant, just buy a director ....

    Here are our "directors" people, unfortunately, dependent on "partners". At least many. Most of the time of perestroika, compromising evidence lies, for many more corny, accounts, relatives, real estate TAM.
    So it is impossible to make sovereign decisions.
    And the main thing for many is to keep and prevent the reduction of "family" cash flows.
    But the benefit and development of the country is secondary. I don’t speak about people at all.
    Unfortunately...
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    Yuri Nemov (Yuri Nemov) 18 September 2019 21: 28
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    If you sit still and do nothing then you won’t fall into the trap of course, but you will definitely die of hunger. All your assumptions are written with a pitchfork. I remember how I was recently and "arguably" argued that ISIS * would defeat Assad and break into the Caucasus, and then begin to smash Russia. Where is ISIS * now? And Assad is in place. Do not forget that for any tricky nut there is a tricky bolt. Traps not only "they" place but also on them. That's when they all work, then we will see the whole picture completely. And I'm sure it will be far from what you painted.
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      Alexander Ra (Alexander) 19 September 2019 07: 17
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      Your optimism is like a mirage. Are you a major shareholder of Gazprom? If there will be a gain of “our property,” to what extent will our majority take advantage of it? Relive or rejoice in the success of a handful of beneficiaries? Even their success is a loss to the country as a whole. Instead of driving everything that is possible over the hill, the priority should be to build up and develop their own forces and capabilities. This is not there, either a 4-day week or another like that crawls out. The salaries of the Millers and the Sechins are not something to worry about, with the squandering of wealth one must finish sometime.
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        YUG64 (Yuri) 19 September 2019 08: 08
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        Tell this to Trump, who is so heroically fighting for the European gas market ... Or to the American shale industry. Convince them that they squander the future of their country !! Maybe they will listen to you, what do you think ???
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          Alexander Ra (Alexander) 19 September 2019 08: 13
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          Do not notice the power of the US economy? And how much is employed in the "real sector" in the Russian Federation, that is, the efficiency of our human potential?
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            YUG64 (Yuri) 19 September 2019 08: 16
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            Why did you leave the topic? And how do you assess the power of the US economy, I would like to know?
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              Alexander Ra (Alexander) 19 September 2019 08: 22
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              Foreign trade is important, but our domestic market is artificially depressed - this is a big problem that forces us to flounder and dodge in everything, unlike China. And our establishment has moved from national interests to its selfish ones.
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                YUG64 (Yuri) 19 September 2019 08: 30
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                Sasha, let's postpone the accusations until the crisis - not long to wait. I myself am not enthusiastic about our economic policy, but we must bear in mind that the upcoming - and very soon - events threaten a complete reformatting of the world. Therefore, it is likely that reformatting and policies are left under these events domestically - I would do so, since it is easier and calmer to coincide with the breakdown of the liberal lobby by the time when someone is not up to us .. I see this. Maybe I'm wrong. But, I repeat - wait a short time.
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                  Alexander Ra (Alexander) 19 September 2019 08: 47
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                  You can wait, being at least mentally prepared to strain when it will be necessary "to the full" in creativity, but not destruction. It’s good that people have work in their heads.
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                Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 57
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                unlike China

                I would not even stutter in your place about China. Wrong level.
                The economic level of Russia (as a state) today is the level of Mexico, Israel, Singapore and Denmark.
                21st place in the world for economic power. 0,341% of the global level of economic power. A trifle, in general, pot-bellied.
                If you look at the context of the population, then the level of Russia is Mexicans, Romanians, Colombians and Thais. The Chinese here do not even smell. And China (in the context of the state), too.
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                  Alexander Ra (Alexander) 20 September 2019 06: 15
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                  China as a phenomenon needs to be studied and not to lose sight of it. Neighbor, and as we see - unique.
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                    Savigne 20 September 2019 17: 05
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                    Quote: Alexander Ra
                    China as a phenomenon needs to be studied and not to lose sight of it.

                    In fact, there is nothing phenomenal in China and the Chinese. In addition to disability, of course.

                    Quote: Alexander Ra
                    Neighbor, and as we see - unique.

                    And here is nothing unique. When the development of the productive forces of China overtakes the production relations proposed by the Chinese authorities, China (in fact an empire, but not a neo-empire, although the Chinese authorities want to do it like that) will order a long life.
                    In fact, people on earth are not so different. And the laws of development of the state and society, they are generally the same for everyone.
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                      Alexander Ra (Alexander) 20 September 2019 19: 41
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                      If everything is the same, then there is nothing to discuss.
                      We will not be able to repeat the nature of the breakthrough of China, despite its “nonunique”, and he repeated the nature of our rise of the Soviet era.
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                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        We won’t be able to repeat the nature of China’s breakthrough despite its “non-uniqueness”,

                        I agree, we can’t. Due to the uniqueness of the Chinese (disability). But in no case, not China (China in particular).

                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        and he repeated the nature of our rise of the Soviet era.

                        China repeated the Soviet rise of the 50-60s? Are you joking?
                        That rise (and it really was) cost the USSR 42 million people. Or 1/5 of the pre-war population of the USSR. It was at this price that the technologies, equipment, and specialists who completed the scientific and technological revolution in the USSR in the late 40s and early 50s were obtained. The result of which was the industrialization of the 50-60s (real, not fake 30s).
                        China would never for any reason have gone to the loss of 200 million people (1/5 of 1 billion people) for the sake of industrialization. This path is absolutely unacceptable to him.
                        Chiang Kai-shek achieved victory over Japan at the cost of the lives of 30 million Chinese. For this, he was declared a bastard and a scoundrel. After which he was forced to take refuge in Taiwan under the protection of American bayonets.
                        Here is a healthy response from a healthy society to the dictator's atrocities. And also the correct prioritization and values.
                        But 30 million. Chinese, this is far from 1/5 of the population of China in those years.
                        If anything else I can give as an example Marshal Petain (he is still in the French "cohort of the great") and the French. As well as the emperor Selassie and the Ethiopians. Even in Ethiopia in those years, society was much more developed and advanced than in the ass of the world, in the Council of Deputies.
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                        Alexander Ra (Alexander) 20 September 2019 20: 36
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                        The rise of the 50s and 70s was a combination of a strong, healthy work ethic of our people with education, science, and all state. resources. Unreformed China repeated this with a powerful result. Today, our work ethic has burned out from debauchery by European “civilization”. In the framework of the current internal paradigm, no jerks are possible with us.
                        Are you able to calculate the losses for our population of recent decades? Are you sure that they are, in all indicators, no worse than the indicated 42 million? The deprivations of the 1st half of the 20th century ensured the peace of several of our generations, they are not meaningless. And the losses from Gorbachev until today are a stupid sacrifice of the people. It is strange that this was not recorded in the list of atrocities.
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                        Savigne 20 September 2019 21: 06
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                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        The rise of the 50s and 70s was due to the combination of a strong, healthy work ethic of our people with education, science,

                        In the slop USSR of the 50s, where does the “strong, healthy work ethic” and “education with science” of the internal ambassador come from?
                        None of this was and could not be by definition in the USSR. "Soviet socialism", as one of the varieties of the slave-holding OEF, simply was not capable of this.
                        But all this was brought in from outside, from the Reich. Technologies, equipment, post-war Germans, guest workers. Everything is from there. And scientific and technological progress (industrialization in any country, this is nothing but a consequence of scientific and technological progress) in the USSR they also did.
                        Everything is as if good. But this NTR and industrialization was prohibitively expensive. And besides this, already from the 70s the effect of that scientific and technological revolution began to run out of steam (these are just the consequences of the ineffective slaveholding OEF). Then in the 80s growth was replaced by stagnation. And by the 90s, stagnation gave way to collapse.
                        I want to inform you that according to my estimates, if there hadn’t been a war, the USSR would have ordered a long life back in the 50s. Soon after the death of Dzhugashvili. And so the post-war scientific and technological revolution and industrialization extended the agony of the Bolshevik regime for another 35 years.

                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        Unreformed China repeated this with a powerful result.

                        And again, he repeated nothing. And he went absolutely his own way. Actually, not even his own, but through the development of a normal human society. Refusing the delirium of "socialism".
                        Now in China, out of everything communist, there is only a formal name for the ruling quasi-noble elite (but feudal, not slave-owning, as in the USSR and the DPRK).

                        Quote: Alexander Ra
                        Today, our work ethic has burned out from debauchery by European “civilization”.

                        Why are you writing nonsense? European "civilization" stuck in the ass all the rest of the "right civilization." Who knew exactly how to live properly, but they just had nothing to eat.

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                        Are you able to calculate the losses for our population of recent decades?

                        Capable of. They are insignificant.
                        You somehow confuse violent victims with indirect losses. And this is far from the same thing.

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                        Are you sure that they are, in all indicators, no worse than the indicated 42 million?

                        I am sure that they even do not reach far up to 42 thousand. I even doubt that there were more than 4,2 thousand of them.

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                        The deprivations of the 1st half of the 20th century provided the world for several of our generations, they are not meaningless.

                        This, excuse me, is nonsense. Deprivation under the USSR provided only a half of the country's population. And they did not affect the "world of several generations." This is nonsense of Sovagitprop in your retelling.

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                        And the losses from Gorbachev until today are a stupid sacrifice of the people.

                        And again, don’t have to go way member with your finger. And violent victims with indirect losses.
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    Screw (Gennady) 19 September 2019 08: 43
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    Winter cold blanket
    Wrapped our European garden
    And on the glass I painted a series of bizarre patterns.
    A blizzard is making noise ...


    Let's wait. Winter and winter in the USA - NY and Boston will freeze - our gas carriers will rush to save them, but already more, taking into account our CURRENT losses.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 September 2019 10: 21
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    Quote: Yuri Nemov
    Where is ISIS * now?

    They moved on to the network structure. Many moved to Afghanistan. And from there it’s a stone's throw to Tajikistan.
    These are not distant approaches, but near ones.
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    Marzhecki (Sergei) 19 September 2019 10: 22
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    Gazprom is playing long.

    Somewhere I already heard it ... smile
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    Savigne 19 September 2019 20: 25
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    Why Gazprom has already lost in the gas war

    Because American shale gas at the entrance to Europe is cheaper than the Russian pipeline. And it will be even cheaper (technology for its production does not stand still), so it is more promising.
    Only economics, nothing personal.

    Under pressure from Washington, the Bulgarian authorities began to openly sabotage the South Stream, which was so advantageous to them.

    They just chose a different pipeline. Which is now pumping gas to Europe. They completely dispensed with the South Stream.

    however, Ankara, clearly not on its own initiative, rejected the idea of ​​four transit lines, agreeing only on two. Of these, one pipe was intended for actually Turkish consumers, and the second - for the market of southern Europe.

    There are very big doubts that even one branch will work. There are many suppliers to Europe (via Turkey). And their prices are much more attractive than Gazprom prices. So far, at least.

    The bitter irony is that the Ukrainian GTS now has to be loaded harder.

    This is while maintaining the total volume of gas supplies to Europe. But there are just huge doubts about this. Just huge doubts.
    It is very likely that kirdyk comes to the "public domain". It seems that they plan to transfer him to the status of a backup provider. Those. supplier just in case of fire. And these are completely different volumes of supplies.

    Both European bureaucrats and the United States are leading to tighter Russia tied to Ukrainian transit. Their task is to impose on Gazprom a long-term contract in return for the expiring one and hang up obligations for Moscow to maintain the dilapidated Ukrainian gas transportation system.

    I recommend the author to watch less TV.

    But will Kiev meet Moscow?

    Roles in the "game" have changed.
    Previously, Ukraine needed Russian gas, so it went towards transit tariffs. Now Ukraine does not need Russian gas, gas in Europe is cheaper. But the Ukrainian transit capacities of Russia are needed. Therefore, Ukraine will twist its hands.
    Such are the cases.

    The problem of Ukrainian transit (and with it a bunch of other problems) must be solved in a different way.

    Which one? Share your secrets with us.