Chinese mid-range С919 ahead of the Russian MC-21 airliner

August 3 2019 12

We recently reported on difficultiesassociated with the Russian narrow-bodied medium-range airliner Irkut MS-21 (“XNUMXst Century Mainline Aircraft”) and about plans Chinese "comrades" on its counterpart - C919, which should not be confused with the joint Sino-Russian wide-body long-range CR929. And now it is reported that on August 1, 2019, the fourth C919 prototype took off in Shanghai, ahead of the course of testing its Russian competitor.

The developer of C919 is the Chinese state corporation COMAC (Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China). It was announced that the fifth prototype C919 will fly into the sky in the III quarter of 2019, and the sixth instance will take off in the IV quarter of 2019. At the same time, COMAC intends to certify C919 in China by the end of 2020, and begin deliveries to customers in 2021.

As reported by COMAS, the company already has a pre-order for more than 700 pieces of C919. The liner will be able to carry from 158 to 190 passengers at a distance of 4075 to 5555 km. At the same time, the official price for one S919 is not called. But experts believe that its cost will be significantly lower than similar products of its main competitors. For example, a Boeing 737MAX costs between $ 72 and $ 120 million apiece, while an Airbus A320neo costs between $ 78 and $ 108 million apiece, depending on version.

It should be recalled that the fourth prototype of the Russian MS-21 is now under construction. His flight tests should begin before the end of 2019. At the same time, the supply of MS-21 with Russian PD-14 engines should be expected in 2022, since the promises to start mass production in 2021 look dubious due to sanctions and repeated postponement from 2017.

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Hayer31

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3 August 2019 16: 32

Ragozin rules, and what to expect from advanced managers. Oh, Joseph Stalin is not enough at these times.
1. 123
  
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  3 August 2019 23: 22
  
  You shouldn’t be so. The conditions are still different. China, first of all, relies on its market, but for us, excuse me, who will take it? Therefore, it is done immediately with the expectation of export. And it is built so as not to depend on imports.
  In Chinese - the engine and avionics are imported, the wings are ordinary aluminum, without frills. I think so far they cannot make carbon fiber. To sell such, for example, to Iran is a problem, suppliers of components will ban everything.
  1. Oleg RB
    
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    4 August 2019 17: 07
    
    Bad dancer ...
  2. A.Lex
    
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    5 August 2019 11: 42
    
    123 - this is where the truth lies. Most of the Russian airlines bought Airbuses and Boeings (almost all). Moreover, when buying junk European and American, there was such chaos that we never dreamed of - kickbacks, blackmail, bribery. This is what foreign suppliers have done before, and they are doing it now. What do we want? Capitalism in the yard! THERE IS NOT ANY STATE COMPANY (which would be WHOLE and COMPLETELY owned by the state, and Aeroflot is also not fully owned by the state). If there was an airline that worked from the state the way it was in the USSR, then there would be orders and prices (I'm more than sure) would not fight. But ... There is what is - the state is shaking off the population of the country from its hands (which is very strange - it is harmful for Russia). ... But the population for the state is the MAIN wealth. If the state is so disregard for the population of the country ... then why are we surprised at the orgy that is happening in Moscow? All this "protest" abomination does what it wants, and the state looks at IT so calmly that there is a feeling that the state does not care what is happening on the streets of the capital!
    Mess and chaos ... The same is in the economy and in society. The state SHOULD, in the end, "pull itself together" and restore order IN THE COUNTRY!
    1. 123
      
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      22 August 2019 10: 35
      
      Good. I'm sorry to be late with the reply. Was absent. In fact, I agree with many things.
      It is not clear why only the concentration of 100% of the state’s shares can affect orders and price levels. The state ownership share in Aeroflot is 51,2%, do you think that the rest of the shareholders interfere with the receipt of orders and do not allow lower prices?
      It is also unclear what do you mean by "shaking off the population from your hands" and what it, as well as the previously purchased Boeings and Airbuses, have to do with the development of a new aircraft?
      By the way, I’m not sure that a bacchanalia is going on in Moscow, in my opinion, everything worked out adequately and professionally.
      1. A.Lex
        
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        22 August 2019 13: 28
        
        Let me answer you in order (otherwise in the previous comment everything turned out to be in a heap).
        - So: about the absolute ownership of the company in the state:
        Let's start with the technology itself - from airplanes (we take this as a particular, for ANY products that the state itself can produce (and at the same time the products are strategic), without relying on supplies from abroad). The state (in today's modern world), if it thinks about its security, will OBLIGATE the company to acquire aircraft of its own production of the aircraft themselves. Now about spare parts (because any equipment is a set of spare parts from which it consists) - dependence on the supply of spare parts from abroad immediately hurts as the state can afford (after all, own parts In ANY case, in the end, will be cheaper than imported ... if we exclude from this the special actions of importers called dumping), and can afford the citizens of this state ...
        There is one simple truth that for some reason ALL political scientists, economists, sociologists ignore ... in general, everything:
        Private traders will NEVER think about citizens, the development of the state, its security. NEVER will think at the STATE level. He will think ONLY about his own pocket. And if he has the opportunity to avoid taxes - he will do it. If he has the opportunity to deceive the state, rob it (knowing that for it he will not be anything), he, again, will do it.
        - About the "share of ownership in so-and-so%" ... tell me why the STATE COMPANY operates equipment, spare parts for which they can IMMEDIATELY stop supplying? Just at the request of the little toe of the left foot of amers (and this is how they think and act - the rules are created FOR SUCCESSFUL)! To achieve ANY goals, the Americans will undertake ANY actions, violating ANY rules - even UN-ovsky, even secondary, even human, even moral and religious ... ANY !!! This is where the main question lies - how much can the state control "its own interest" companies ??? And to what extent is the COMPANY'S LEADERSHIP ready to act in the INTEREST OF THE STATE ??? After all, the same (allegedly) "state" banks refuse to serve the population of Crimea (to work in this territory).
        - About "shaking off hands" - the state, which thinks about its population, will not get rid of "unprofitable assets". And this includes notorious companies, such as "air carriers", housing and communal services, industrial enterprises ... a lot, in general ... Here you can also add the rise in prices. After all, what could be simpler - do not raise energy prices (and after them - for everything else), and there WILL NOT be a need to raise rates, pensions, scholarships, benefits ...
        Here, after all, how - what purpose pursues price increase? What is the state trying to achieve? ... Let’s even go down to the primitive - the purpose of the state’s existence, why was it created? Was it created to receive SUPER PROFITS of a separate handful of its citizens? Something seems to me that most of the population does not think so ...
        
        ... previously purchased Boeing and Airbus are related to the development of a new aircraft.
        
        - I'm not talking about purchases before, I'm talking about purchases, and SEE DAY. Or do you want to say that this is NOT NOW? Be sure - it was done, is being done and will be done until our state (under sanctions) is cut off the supply of TOTAL - and aircraft, and spare parts for them, and software - TOTAL! But then it will come -) I (0PA! For - there is NO OWN in sight!
        And about
        
        Everything worked out adequately and professionally.
        
        - tell me ... what is the purpose of breeding all this mold? After all, not a little is spent on working with her. As well as its contents. Like the confrontation with her. ... Indeed, judging by pragmatism, these are mediocrity, idlers, sick people, enemies (in the end) who are not adapted for real life or their activity is aimed at the destruction of the state, country, civilization path ....
        Still, I am inclined to think that it is necessary to build a state on pragmatism. And from here to act. And about the human content of our state - everyone will find work for the good of the state. The main thing is to determine whom and what kind of work can be entrusted, and who should not be allowed close to it. And here's another thing - you need to fight enemies like in a war (and we are in a war): either destroy, or isolate from society. The main criterion for destruction or isolation should be a law that does not allow INTERPRETATION and derogations.
        And for this we need sane IDEOLOGY and WORK WITH PERSONNEL.
        
        123
        
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        22 August 2019 21: 20
        
        Good evening!
        I again agree with you in almost everything, just a slightly different look at the essence of things))
        Aircraft and spare parts are taken for them, because there are none of them, so far there is nothing to replace them with, therefore news about their developments is encouraging. Today I read that they took up their own engines for Superjets (foreign suppliers began to pick up prices). Supplies can be shut off, regardless of how much interest the state owns.
        About private traders I agree completely, but, in my opinion, they are needed to maintain a balance between social needs and economic efficiency. A private trader seeks to make a profit at any cost, the state’s task is to regulate the process, establish the rules of the game, determine a strategy, priority areas, adherence to safety standards and so on, well, just moderate immense appetites. In my opinion, a fully state-owned enterprise is gradually becoming less efficient; there are no incentives for development. Greed does not spur))) I still remember how it was arranged under the USSR. Everything seems to work, everyone receives a salary, and the result is not particularly interesting to anyone.
        About banks in the Crimea, I think, simply because of sanctions, they do not stand in a pose, minimize financial losses. By the way, the train will not go on the new bridge in the Russian Railways in winter, they made a local company. Payments to Crimea pass, sent from Sberbank's card online in July-August, to Sevastopol without any problems, just from card to card, somewhere I had to type all these numbers on my smartphone (TIN, KPP, BIK), dreary, but to Simferopol flew away without any problems.
        About utilities, carriers and tariffs I agree completely.
        As for the protesters, I think it’s easier to control these stupid ones, there is no natural selection, the government will not really grow in danger, again, people see who is jumping there, they don’t have popular support. Well, not everyone there is completely finished, some of the youngheads are crazy, get mad, grow wiser with time, and the prison breaks her life. Purely human, I do not wish anyone, by the way, if I am not mistaken, we have a historical minimum in terms of the number of prisoners, it makes me happy. If the situation turns out to be controlled without repression, then the system is stable. And where they went beyond, quickly and, in my opinion, professionally stopped all creeps. You can even say - gently))))) Well, if you do not take into account individual cases, such as broken legs running in front of the city hall. Riot police - tough guys.
        
        A.Lex
        
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        25 August 2019 15: 58
        
        Okay. In principle, I agree with you. The rest - everyone has their own view on things and events.
Screw

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4 August 2019 03: 41

There is no signature, so - fake.
And it’s difficult to get through the heaps of American shit, roughly, like on the Amur Islands — pants will be in holes and skin will be in blisters.
1. Hayer31
  
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  4 August 2019 17: 19
  
  "American crap" - do you mean that the State Corporation Aeroflot is buying Boeings ??? If America trips, sanctions and the like, and "our not elected V.V." buys (or with his knowledge) from the USA, what does this mean ??? Can you explain ?? I am silent about the billions invested in American securities. V.V. Theft and lies.
Sergey Latyshev

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5 August 2019 09: 09

They wrote about a month ago, Japan also launches the production of its new aircraft.
I just don’t remember the class. Like, a portfolio of orders for 300 pcs.
schura.kilka

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5 August 2019 11: 28

We must not creep in the West, but impose sanctions on the supply of the goods and services they need (space, aircraft, financial services, offshore companies, investing not in foreign assets, but in the development of our own industry). With the current economic policy of the government, this is not possible.