Semi-empty gas pipeline: will Russia win the “last fight” for the joint venture 2?

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The denouement in the case of the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is close. A subsidiary of Gazprom in Europe has filed a lawsuit demanding to cancel discriminatory amendments to the EU's Third Energy Package, which threaten to leave the pipe half empty. The next will be a lawsuit against Denmark, which has become the last obstacle on the way of the Russian-German project. Will lawyers succeed in what politicians?





As you know, Nord Stream-2 should begin to supply Germany with at least 55 billion cubic meters of gas annually. After a terrible radiation accident at the Japanese Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant, a real "green revolution" has begun in Germany, about which we are detailing told earlier. The Germans are gradually abandoning their nuclear power plants and coal-fired power plants, switching to renewable energy sources and clean gas generation. That is why you can be sure that Berlin will not surrender Nord Stream-2.

Another issue is that Washington intends to supplant Russian gas with its LNG. “Democratic molecules” are more expensive, because the Germans do not really succeed in “striking” it with market methods. That’s why all these crises are being created in Ukraine, acting as a transit country, the Kingdom of Denmark expresses “its dissenting opinion”, and pro-American European officials put sticks in the wheels of the pipeline, frankly for political reasons, putting it under the Third Energy Package.

What can a Russian monopolist do to defend his interests?

Amendments to the Third Energy Package were made and adopted when Nord Stream-2 was at an advanced stage, several billion euros have already been invested in it. According to the new rules, which completely changed the rules of the game, the gas sales and transportation business should be divided, and some other companies should have access to the pipe. The Russian side cannot fulfill these requirements, because Gazprom is a monopolist, and no other suppliers are expected for the pipeline.

This means that the project is automatically cut to half its capacity. Of the two pipes, only one can be filled, respectively, the payback period is at least doubled, and consumers will not receive the planned fuel volumes. The lawsuit filed by Nord Stream 2, Gazprom’s European division:

It would be unjust and unfair for the EU to draft amendments to the Gas Directive in such a way that they would significantly affect only Nord Stream-2, while freeing other offshore pipelines supplying gas to the EU from the implementation of these rules.


The next lawsuit should be a claim against Denmark. She has been dragging the filed applications for laying the pipeline for years, but at the same time she gave permission to build the Baltic Pipe gas pipeline to Poland only six months after submitting the documents, which we also already told. There is clear discrimination. In October, six months will elapse from the moment of filing the third, and, obviously, the latest application from Gazprom. Then either Copenhagen meets, or a trial is due, where the chances of the Danes are slim.

Despite all the obstacles, the gas pipeline will be completed. Not only Russia needs it, but Europe itself too, no matter how it tries to portray obedience to the United States. Political expediency is good, but when European businessmen offer Americans to compensate for their losses in case of refusal of Nord Stream-2, they make a “face with a brick” and talk about “protecting democracy”. This is not serious, but in the Old World they are also good at counting money.
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  1. 0
    29 July 2019 11: 10
    I have said before that Denmark will not give permission to lay SP-2 in its waters. And this was clear from the very beginning. But this is not the worst - the worst is that no one will cancel the "energy packages", due to which the payback of the SP-2 will tend to "infinity", that is, investors will get a "fig and butter" and, at best, will reach self-sufficiency in years so after 10-15. Already, there is a ferment among Western investors in this project (in fact, SP-2 is actually already being built with only Gazprom's money) - who reasonably believe that the best way out for them would be to exit this project and sue .... . Denmark and ... "Gazprom" to compensate for the losses from this project. There are already rumors that the European Commission, Denmark, Poland, etc., offered the western shareholders of SP-2 to withdraw from this project and connect, as compensation for the losses already incurred, on preferential terms to the Baltic Pipe and projects for the storage and distribution of liquefied gas weight. In addition, the United States gave a clear signal that in case of withdrawal from JV-2, Western investors will not be subject to the planned sanctions and will receive some preferences in the US oil and gas projects in Europe (if they take part in them). So, for Gazprom the situation looks, let's say, depressing. Nobody is going to throw off Gazprom and Ukraine. By the way, the EU makes it clear that Gazprom can advance in the SP-2 project only on one condition - upon concluding a very long contract with Ukraine (at least 10 years) for gas supplies to it and through its territory, and on Ukrainian terms and under the patronage of a joint control center made up of the EU and the US. So that "Gazprom" - "hit" - that is, "butted with both horns" ... wink
    1. +1
      29 July 2019 15: 03
      Well, if the SP-2 is not allowed to go, then there will be nothing to blackmail. Ukraine will remain on beans, and not with a contract for 10 years. But what if an intermediate option, and Ukraine a contract, and SP-2?
      1. 0
        29 July 2019 17: 36
        But what if an intermediate option, and Ukraine a contract, and SP-2?

        It seems to me that Gazprom is most likely inclined towards this option, only .... no one will cancel the energy packages. But Gazprom is now in a desperate situation - it has to complete the project at any cost, otherwise ... huge losses, penalties with contractors, plus they will also force them to "clean up after themselves."
  2. -2
    29 July 2019 12: 21
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    So "Gazprom" - "hit" - that is, "butted with both horns" ...

    That we all got ...
    1. 0
      31 July 2019 06: 39
      Well then, dress in "rags", sprinkle ashes on your head And crawl with "penances"! First to the Ukrainians, and then to the am! And all the spinelessness of the Kremlin !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  3. +2
    29 July 2019 14: 52
    And why did the author ignore the MAIN THING ?!

    Germany has achieved a significant softening of these amendments, since the final text states that the decision to grant the Russian project exceptions to these norms will be made not by Brussels, but by the EU country, where the gas pipeline enters European territory, after consultations with the European Commission. In the case of Nord Stream 2, this is Germany itself.

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6705231
  4. 0
    29 July 2019 18: 41
    - Yes. I'm just tired of writing about what "traps" Russia is falling into with its gas pipelines ... - And what Gazprom can become ... - And that it's time to put an end to gas pipelines and switch to LNG (to build LNG plants, create infrastructure for a whole new industry, build enterprises for the production of containers and containers for LNG and produce special vehicles for the transport of these containers, etc.) - I personally wrote about all this many times ...

    - Well, I'm just tired of writing about the same thing ...
    - And what??? - As it is with Pushkin - "The people are silent" ...
    - And how is it on the site ... - "The people minus" ... - Hahah ...
    - And the "traps" about which I so stubbornly kept repeating ... - here they are ... - they have already begun to show themselves in all their vile glory .... - I didn't have to wait so long for everything to begin to be confirmed ...
    - To my great regret, in the near future Russia will face very big troubles, if not immediately take urgent measures ... - And these measures must be taken urgently ...
    1. +1
      29 July 2019 19: 31
      I'm just tired of writing ... And it's time to end the gas pipelines and switch to LNG.

      RF sells LNG to the EU more than the USA !!! Didn't you know that?

      According to the data published in the report of the International Association of Importers, the net import of Russian LNG by European countries in 2018 amounted to 4,4 million tons, while the United States delivered only 2,7 million tons of LNG to the territory of the EU countries.

      https://ria.ru/20190402/1552298785.html
    2. +2
      30 July 2019 22: 54
      Too lazy to create a profile (I'm on watch), so through a VK person I write - their name is Dmitry (AdTskPaPa in VO) - now to the topic.

      ... it's time to end the gas pipelines and switch to LNG (build factories ...)

      You, as I understand it, are an "Expert" in the industry (no offense)) - I now work in geological exploration (drilling), before that I had a chance to participate in the modernization of the Usinsk GPP (construction site). Now we "drill" in oil mines (google Yarega - the only field in the world with oil production in mines). I myself am a hard worker, but I had a chance to talk to specialists while working. And here's what I can say about your idea (I'll start from the end):

      ... LNG plants, create infrastructure for a whole new industry ...

      Can you imagine it !! .. Usinsk - I worked 1 out of 4 seasons (expansion of production), there was a mega-construction there. The people from Volgograd to Mari-El gathered, 3, perhaps, years of work, and no one filoned, everything was quickly done, and without stopping the enterprise. Now think. To create a plant from scratch ... Although, in principle, it will be released in 3-4 years (without a preliminary cycle). BUT. The deliveries have to be made now, the EU will not wait until we rebuild, but with all the work, such a project will take 5-7 years (7 is a minimum, 5 is utter optimism))). Now estimate the number of "cubes" required for delivery and the capacity of the new plant. 1m is definitely not enough, even 3 will not be enough; Ust-Luga? Yes, here, damn it, "all-Union construction projects" fade ... and BAM, taken together! - cool! - one question - "where is the money, Zin"? (V. Vysotsky). But, suppose they did it - now we need to repay the money. How? .. Right. "Having dropped the price tag" (and, objectively, and I will show it further) - so how will Gazprom differ from Yusovtsev after that?
      1. +3
        31 July 2019 01: 41
        So ... LNG is a "very tricky subject" (well done, Winnie the Pooh! He knew ... he knew!). We're moving on to logistics. And you, Irina, yourself showed the bottleneck of your project.

        ... build enterprises for the production of containers and containers for LNG and produce specials. transport for transportation.

        In principle, LNG is a profitable topic, but let's digress. Have you sent / received anything by mail? For sure. For filling - did it take long? Why is this so, if planes cover the distance from Moscow to Vladivostok in hours (we do not take into account the "mail processing" time). Technically, what prevents ALL mail from being sent by air ... Sorry, I didn't hear .. What? .. EXPENSIVE !? And you do not use airmail unless absolutely necessary, because the price bites. So that's it! This discovery was probably made at the State Planning Committee (indeed, even during the reign of Tsar Pea) - you can attach a mail car to any passing train (load a container onto a ship). So it is with gas. An analogy: as long as the rails are in order, it is not a problem to hook up a carriage to the passing train, the main thing is that a path is laid to the desired point - this is the most difficult thing. Then. The movement of trains will pick up and deliver the cargo by itself, only repair the road on time. In general, the gas "flows" through the pipe itself, just maintain the pressure, and contain the "Way" ... but maintaining the air fleet for the sole purpose of transporting mail is OVERALL. Compare "Special transport for transportation" - or 1000 km of track, comparable to them in terms of the volume of "metal" / work and service staff; by a brigade of railroad workers in 5 digs. Yes. Exactly. Our special board also needs technical staff (refuel / check / release), damn it, he also needs a crew ... And a control shot .. an airfield - to receive a mail plane, you need a fucking airfield .. and for gas .. correct - regasification station / terminal (in the pipe the gas is already ready for use by the industry, take it and "eat"). The conclusion is simple - LNG is good and convenient, like ... airmail. For the consumer, it is fast, convenient and good, but. BUT. Until Communism comes on the ground and the client's comfort (real) does not prevail over the costs, i.e. money will disappear, everything will remain as it is. LNG - yes, it is convenient to store it (exactly to store it) - yes, it is convenient to transport it .. but exactly what to transport, and neither one nor that "Gazprom" does not; Russian gas (roughly) goes straight from the field to the "pipe", and through it - to the customer, where it is consumed at his discretion: it is burnt, liquefied (for storage). His business. It's worth it ... well, it's worth it. And then the Americans! With its own "airmail", where a gas liquefaction plant (crammed into the price tag), a "steamer" / gas carrier (with a crew and port services / overhead costs - also in the price tag), a receiving / regasification terminal (build yourself and decide whether to fill it in the price), delivery to ... (there are options, but the post is not rubber))) The final conclusion: do it yourself))) Fact: the construction of LNG infrastructure is underway - is it necessary to intensify it, well, see above, in "Cabinets" not only thieves are sitting, I think they will not offend themselves, which means that they do it according to their minds. I have not met a single fool at the sites, even in the "Moscow" commissions. "S-in o l ... her" - yes, DB - never. Something like this. hi
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  5. 0
    29 July 2019 21: 00
    ... Today, July 17, Gazprom increased gas transit to Europe through the Ukrainian gas transportation system by 25% - 60 million cubic meters per day. This decision is connected with the repair of two strands of the Nord Stream gas pipeline. As of July 17, 2019, the transit application is 300,2 million cubic meters. m / day. Thus, the Slovak direction will be loaded at 99% ....

    Information Agency REALIST http://realtribune.ru/news/economics/2275
    1. 0
      30 July 2019 00: 05
      So already repaired. 4 days earlier.

      MOSCOW, July 28 - RIA Novosti. Gas supplies via Nord Stream resumed on Saturday after a suspension due to scheduled annual maintenance, with the repairs completed four days ahead of schedule, the Nord Stream project operator said in a statement.

      https://ria.ru/20190728/1556948294.html
  6. +1
    30 July 2019 08: 49
    It turns out that Gazprom began to build the gas pipeline without obtaining permits in advance and without fixing the rules of the game so that it would be possible to press "partners". Which allows them to change the rules as they go.

    And he fell into the same trap in the South, where part of the pipes had to be removed back ..

    IMHO, VIP managers didn’t stay in the loser, they wrote ...
  7. +1
    31 July 2019 07: 41
    In general, gas "flows" through the pipe itself - just maintain the pressure.

    CNG is good and convenient as ... airmail. For the consumer, it is fast, convenient and good, but. BUT. Until Communism comes on earth and the client's (real) comfort prevails over costs, i.e. money will disappear, everything will remain as it is. LNG - yes, it is convenient to store it (exactly to store it) - yes, it is convenient to transport it .. but exactly what to transport. Gazprom does neither that nor that.

    - I can’t argue with you ... how ... as with a specialist in the field of gas production ... - Besides ... - I agree with you in many ways ...
    - I am a gas user; you are a user; they are users, etc ... - And I, as a user, can say that they bring LNG gas into the gas tanks (which supply gas to residential buildings), pump it in; and then it is served directly to residential apartments. - There is also "natural gas", which is supplied to residential buildings through yellow pipes by gravity ...
    - But even in residential high-rise buildings, gas is supplied somewhere up to the 6-7th floor, and then the electric stoves "start" ... - And in many new high-rise buildings gas service is not provided at all ... - everything is on electricity .., the gas "does not rise" high ... - special devices are needed, etc ...

    - Gas itself ... is like oil from which oil products can be made (and crude oil itself can be used as fuel) ... - the same thing with gas ...
    - And LNG ... is a kind of already processed product from gas; they transport it, deliver it to the destination in the required volume ordered ... - to any village, village, settlement, etc. (you won’t drag the gas pipe there) ... - And also ... - to any region , to an island, to any state (through large bodies of water - oceans, etc. ...) ...

    - Russia will have to build a whole network of LNG plants anyway ... - And carry this LNG to any part of the world; carry on barges; on ships; by railway; by road; even airplanes and helicopters ... - And carry in all kinds of containers of any capacity ... - And the Russian Federation should really, really, at the state level, unscrew this gas line, become the leading state in this area; international monopolist ...
    - Of course, Russia, as always, can "sleep" and ... and ... and ... - Germany, Turkey, Iran (their cheap gas) will begin to liquefy Russian gas with might and main at their own, quickly built factories ... - and supply to all ends of Zap. Europe (here they will not ask the US for permission) ...
    - And what about Russia ??? - And Russia, as always, on imported delivery vehicles (special vehicles, special railway trains, special barges, special tankers, etc.) in imported tanks and in import containers (all kinds of containers) will begin to carry its own gas, both on the territory of the Russian Federation and in other states ...
    - Yes, and to which foreign state all the management of these transportations will fall ... - who will own a block of shares in all these transportations, manage delivery methods, distribute deliveries and conclude delivery contracts, etc ...
    - This is how Russia, as always, will slap everything ... and start "working for my uncle" ...
    - Gazprom is already becoming an obvious outsider ... - he turned out to be too weak and unprofessional ... - Very soon new "gas tycoons" will enter the international arena ... - And it is unlikely that they will be Russian international gas managers ...
    - Somehow, too sluggish, incompetent and unprofessional, Russia acts and defends its commercial and industrial state global positions ...
    - There is nothing to be done ... - Alas ...
    1. +1
      31 July 2019 11: 36
      Well, with the "specialty" you flattered me feel so picked up the tops)) In the case

      -Russia will have to build a whole network of LNG plants anyway ...

      You didn’t read my post very carefully

      Fact the construction of LNG infrastructure is going

      I wrote without delving into the topic. but since it bothers you. offhand:

      Yamal LNG
      Sakhalin-2
      Arctic SPG-2
      Shtokman LNG
      Far Eastern LNG
      Pechora LNG
      Baltic LNG
      Current or planned LNG projects take a look at https://www.pwc.ru/en/publications/russian-lng-projects.html (Yandex. Overview of Russian LNG projects)
      Such beautiful men work on Sabetta



      Currently, the Yamal LNG project is serviced by 7 LNG carriers. There will be 15 of them. Yamalmax. The vessels are absolutely identical: they have a deadweight of 85 thousand tons, a length of almost 300 m and a width of 50 m. The capacity of Yamalmax-class gas carriers is 172,6 thousand cubic meters. m of gas. They can operate at temperatures down to -50 degrees and, having an Arc7 ice class, are capable of passing ice 2,1 m thick.The first gas carriers were handed over to the customer in November 2017. True, all Yamalmax class ships are built in South Korea, at the Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering shipyard.

      And what about Russia ???

      So here Russia

      In my opinion, we are not such outsiders
      1. +1
        31 July 2019 11: 53
        Russia, as always, on imported delivery vehicles.

        It's not all that bad either.

        The gas carriers will be built at the domestic shipbuilding complex in Bolshoy Kamen, which is being built on the basis of the Zvezda shipyard. The creation of a shipbuilding complex based on the Zvezda shipyard envisages three stages:
        I stage: 2012 - 2019
        Stage II: 2018 - 2022
        Stage III: 2021 - 2024
        According to the KER group of companies, the total area of ​​buildings and structures of the first stage of construction is 218 thousand square meters. m, including 69,7 thousand sq. m - closed.

        Of course, not everything is smooth.

        On March 20, 2018, it was reported that the Zvezda shipyard had canceled contracts with a large contractor for 17,5 billion rubles, which would lead to a shift in the construction time of the shipyard. The postponement would be critical for the industry if the plant provided replacement for imported vessels subject to international sanctions against the industry. But now the ice-class ships that Zvezda will build are being bought at the shipyards of China and South Korea. These countries are not involved in sanctions against Arctic oil and gas projects. And the cost of ships built on the "Zvezda" will not be much lower, says Alexey Kalachev, an expert analyst at the Finam Group. In addition, in his opinion, the production of hydrocarbons at the Arctic projects at the current level of world prices is unprofitable, especially considering the transportation along the Northern Sea Route. Therefore, it makes no sense to force it now, with an excess of deposits.

        So I have a chance for the future. If interested, here is a link to the full article:

        - source https://sudostroenie.info/novosti/22610.html
        1. 0
          31 July 2019 14: 51
          You did not read my post very carefully.

          - Ay, yes you didn’t read my last year’s comments on this subject ...
          - It's good that South Korea "doesn't forget" us ... -

          All Yamalmax class ships are being built in South Korea at the Daewoo Shipbuilding and Marine Engineering shipyard.

          And more:

          But now the ice-class ships that Zvezda will build are being bought at the shipyards of China and South Korea. These countries are not involved in sanctions against Arctic oil and gas projects. And the cost of ships built on the "Zvezda" will not be much lower, says Alexey Kalachev, an expert analyst at the Finam Group. In addition, in his opinion, the production of hydrocarbons at the Arctic projects at the current level of world prices is unprofitable, especially considering the transportation along the Northern Sea Route. Therefore, it makes no sense to force it now, with an excess of deposits.

          And here it is - the "moment of truth":

          ... hydrocarbon production in Arctic projects at the current level of world prices is unprofitable, especially taking into account transportation along the Northern Sea Route. Therefore, it does not make sense to force it now, with an excess of deposits.

          - And where is this "excess of deposits" in Russia ??? - All in the same mosquito bogs, impassable swamps, at a monstrous depth, and all in the same "Russian north" ...
          - And how much will the "pipeline" gas cost, which will go to Turkey; and the gas that will go through SP-2 (where so many "hangers-on" have already set their "conditions" to Russia, according to which Russia will constantly "unfasten" the monetary bribe for all this "racketeering" ...) - But SP- 2 should also "recoup" itself, and the Turkish Stream should "recoup" itself ...

          -So, there is no "reserve for the future", but there are huge "debts for the future" and onerous obligations that Gazprom got into (due to its incompetence and unprofessionalism) ... that he will get it anyway for gas ... - And all the debts and the conditions of enslaving agreements will have to be paid by Russian taxpayers ...

          - Today, Gazprom is tomorrow's outsider and the most notorious pest For Russia (something like a failed nano technology that cost Russia trillions of rubles) ...
          - So today Russia has the opportunity (or maybe it already was, maybe Russia was already late) to start everything from a "blank slate" and create a "new gas breakthrough" ... - To create an LNG empire and become a world monopoly in this area ... - But, apparently, there are not enough minds in Russia in this area ... - only weak "led C-students" ... - Alas and ah ...
          1. +1
            31 July 2019 18: 16
            Sorry, I’m unsubscribing for a long time, but I’m writing directly from the rig - they distract me. I, like, actually work here, and the master looks askance when I'm sitting at a laptop laughing (a joke - he is a man of the world, he will not surrender).
            Well, let's go.

            And where is this "excess of deposits" .... there is no "reserve for the future ..."

            Why are you such a pessimist, smilelove I dashed off a whole list of deposits - not enough for you? And yes, they are in the North, but believe me, they are quite accessible. And that is why our "sworn partners" are so eager to climb into the Arctic. I can say this, as a person who has done a lot in the North, precisely for the purpose of exploring these very deposits. Work is in full swing here and there is no end to it. But I don't see any sense in forcing either. Firstly, the price of the issue. Even with the current possibilities, one can simply "fill" the market with gas, albeit pipeline gas. And the meaning. "Drop" prices, or even cause an overproduction crisis. Gas is not firewood, you cannot stack it in the yard, but new storage facilities need to be built. Promka, too, will not burn more than it can. However, the growth in consumption is obvious, and as it grows, so does production. Further, gas is a finite resource and previously developed deposits are depleted over time, so why should we rush - even if the Arabs and others spend their bowels, we still have enough.
            1. +1
              1 August 2019 16: 38
              Ha, I see that you (he-she) started everything in order to "talk" ... - And therefore ... - this is my last answer ...

              There is no logic in your comments ...

              Let the Arabs and others spend their bowels.

              ... - What are we going to do with our gas pipelines ??? - If suddenly Iran floods the whole world with its cheap gas ... - Already today, contrary to any logic ... - Russia defends the interests of Iran so zealously (to its "Gazprom's death") that you simply wonder ... - Here you are personally ... are not afraid to stay out of work?
              But what about our gas pipelines ... - Are we going to supply gas at all for free ??? - Or gas pipes (thousands of kilometers) will just lie empty and become a place of interest ??? Hahah ... But we also have to pay a "mortgage-loan" (Hahah) for the construction of these gas pipelines ... - Who will pay it ??? - Our great-grandchildren .. ??? - We'll just "fly into the pipe" with our gas pipelines ...
              - I see ... - you are doing your shift work on Kr. North and, probably, do your job well .., but otherwise ...
              - And this is not your fault .. but the trouble ... - the trouble is for all of us ...
              - Look, you already have the pluses "local experts" have begun to put ... - Well, that's quite ... ... - Hahah ... - Do not be offended ... - All the best to you ...